Unamerican kids and their poetry... yeah

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 5:33 pm

There are many things the leader of the free world has done that I don't agree with. I just choose to support my country's decisions once they are made. I prefer unity over division.

You sound exactly like a radical fundamentalist.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » May 21, 2004, 5:44 pm

I prefer unity over division.

Another of your stumbling blocks is everthing is binary to you. Unity or division. With us or Against us. The world is a little more complex than that.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » May 21, 2004, 6:11 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I re-read the arlticle, I don't see anyone being punished by the government for their stance.

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but are not public schools in the states funded by the government, with government set curriculum? Is not public educated deemed part of the government body? I don't believe this school is a private one, so I would guess that it falls in the former category.

Now if that's the case, technically they ARE being punished by the government. Yes it's arguing semantics, but in essence it still falls under said category.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:A teachers job is to teach and not impose their beliefs on the kids. I couldn't agree more. I wish we had video tape of this teacher. I'd love to see if he had a lot to do with the way these peoms came out by the kids.

And a Principals job is to ensure that the teacher does stick to teaching. But the Principal also is to follow said standards, and chastizing someone for critizing a government body and/or having their chance for a freedom of thought and speech is ludicrous. Not to mention he then acts like an ass to the kids and tells them to "Shut their face". Extremely unprofessional and uncalled for.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Teachers shouldn't discuss homosexuality in the schools, except, in the future once it's proven, in science class how a particular gene gets fucked up in the womb causing them to be born that way. Just like they used to mention that there is a certain gene that fucked up causing people to be born retarded.

Why am I not surprised you bring up your homophobia again in these threads? A homosexual is deemd a person, and a minority. There tends to be discussions about current events and the like that will bring up gay / lesbian events / activists etc. Also homosexuality should be part of the general sex education to discuss potential risks and how to protect against said risks, but that is another topic altogether.

I must say the more I read your posts the more I feel sorry for people who have to interact with such a close minded bigot as yourself.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 21, 2004, 6:39 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Back on topic, I understand what you all are saying about the importance of freedom of speech. I hold it dear as you do. However, I can also understand that principles disgust with the constant bullshit and negativity which continues to divide our country every day.

So you support people's constitutional right to free speech unless you disagree with it?

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 21, 2004, 6:46 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:There are many things the leader of the free world has done that I don't agree with. I just choose to support my country's decisions once they are made. I prefer unity over division.

So if the government decided that everyone must be gay, and also decided you cant complain against it, you would be all for it?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 6:50 pm

A teachers job is to teach and not impose their beliefs on the kids.

I can't believe I missed that earlier.
How can you be such a blatant hypocrite and not even realise it?

Wouldn't be ironic if the teacher in question was a staunch republican and was simply respecting their students right to free speech (eventhough they disagreed with their opinions).

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 7:35 pm

miir wrote:
A teachers job is to teach and not impose their beliefs on the kids.
I can't believe I missed that earlier.
How can you be such a blatant hypocrite and not even realise it?

Wouldn't be ironic if the teacher in question was a staunch republican and was simply respecting their students right to free speech (eventhough they disagreed with their opinions).

Yes Alanis, it would be.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » May 21, 2004, 7:40 pm

Terry Pratchett wrote:Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions. It's the only way to make progress.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » May 21, 2004, 11:22 pm

You know, Midnyte, the more I read your posts the more I come to the conclusion that in my opinion, you don't deserve to live in a democracy.
A rule of the people, for the people and by the people is based on every individual's right to disagree, to question and to be skeptical of the status quo.

Arborealus has a quote from Benjamin Franklin in his signature - my suggestion to you, as one human being to another, would be that you read it and think long and hard about what it means.

Do you want your children to grow up as automatons who are afraid to question authority? Do you want them to grow up as people who always look to others for answers? Or do you want them to be inquisitive, curious people who dare to stray off the beaten path now and then? Who think about how they can make a difference in the world?

I know which one I'd pick.

-edit: added a line that was missing first time round.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 21, 2004, 11:35 pm

There are many things the leader of the free world has done that I don't agree with. I just choose to support my country's decisions once they are made. I prefer unity over division.

So did the Germans. And the Japanese.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 22, 2004, 12:45 am

this story typifies the Bush administration

it is a collassal dissaster on all fronts and is 150% unamerican.

i'm sure plenty of uninformed conservative apologists will disagree with me, but since they dont know shit about the constitution past the 0th amendment, i'm not concerned about the refutation.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 22, 2004, 12:49 am

in the history of our country there has never been an organization that is more thoroughly un-American than the current incarnation of the Grand Old Party.

THIS is what happens when people vote Republican.

It will happen on your block

It will happen on your street.

It will happen at your child's school.

It will happen at your place of employment.

edit: i'm drunk, so whatever you facist bastards

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 22, 2004, 10:18 am

Voronwë wrote:in the history of our country there has never been an organization that is more thoroughly un-American than the current incarnation of the Grand Old Party.

THIS is what happens when people vote Republican.

It will happen on your block

It will happen on your street.

It will happen at your child's school.

It will happen at your place of employment.

edit: i'm drunk, so whatever you facist bastards

ROFL, you guys are hilarious. You blow eery thing out of purportion. Too too funny.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » May 22, 2004, 10:25 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Voronwë wrote:in the history of our country there has never been an organization that is more thoroughly un-American than the current incarnation of the Grand Old Party.

THIS is what happens when people vote Republican.

It will happen on your block

It will happen on your street.

It will happen at your child's school.

It will happen at your place of employment.

edit: i'm drunk, so whatever you facist bastards
ROFL, you guys are hilarious. You blow eery thing out of purportion. Too too funny.

So how many violations of our constitutional rights is too many?...

Truant · Post by **Truant** » May 22, 2004, 10:26 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Voronwë wrote:in the history of our country there has never been an organization that is more thoroughly un-American than the current incarnation of the Grand Old Party.

THIS is what happens when people vote Republican.

It will happen on your block

It will happen on your street.

It will happen at your child's school.

It will happen at your place of employment.

edit: i'm drunk, so whatever you facist bastards

ROFL, you guys are hilarious. You blow eery thing out of purportion. Too too funny.

And anytime we question anything Bush does, you blow it out of porportion.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » May 22, 2004, 10:31 am

I'm just going to step in here as the spelling police...

the word is spelled proportion...thank you, carry on...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 22, 2004, 10:48 am

i totally blew it out of proportion, didnt you read my disclaimer?

i was wasted

nobody · Post by **nobody** » May 22, 2004, 10:55 am

Midnyte, you usually do make some good points but i'm gonna hafta go 180 with you here.

i don't get in here as much as i like but wow, i feel sick. as a conservative i have to say that article disgusts me. why are so many people so eager to call others "unpatriotic" or "unamerican"? i can maybe see the principal saying posters in the hallway shouldn't be up, because a school shouldn't be an advertisement one way or the other, but there should be room for debate in certain settings of school. a peom read in that setting was not inappropraite. next that principal will be trying to take away our freedom to think. a school is a govt organization. last time i checked, public schools recieved their funding from the govt. conservatives want kids to be able to pray in school and bring their Bible's, as they should. but, there are and should be proper settings for these things. clubs and organizations should be able to allow kids the chance to express themselves in a public setting as long as it is not offensive or obscene. and it was clearly stated in this instance that the peom(s) was/were neither offensive nor obscene.

as for the right to bear arms, keep in mind, that amendment was put in place in case this nation ever needed to overthrow a corrupt govt. now someone is gonna call me "unpatriotic" or "unamerican" i'm sure.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 22, 2004, 1:20 pm

I won't call you un-patriotic. I wasn't totally impressed by the principal, I just can understand his frustration. I applaud his not conforming to the distructive trend in America these days to bash the government. I'm disgusted and sick of it myself, so therefore I can understand where he is coming from. He may just in reality be a right wing nut job. No article tells you everything, just a snipet.

Voro, you being drunk is no excuse for that crap. However, I do still love teh Voro, no matter how warped your brain is

/duck

Acies · Post by **Acies** » May 22, 2004, 8:42 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

Try new Diet Drama. All the bullshit, half the sense!

Midnight, you are a great guy, but god damn...

The moment that we censor and discourage people to have a view is the moement we become a dictatorship nation.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » May 24, 2004, 7:34 pm

Response from the school.

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2004 ... 1085354422

Don't know who is right or wrong, will be interesting to see if the original writer of the piece responds and what he has to say if so.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 24, 2004, 8:14 pm

OMG!

You mean there are two sides to a story? You mean people have over-reacted? NO! This could not be!

Common sense > overreacting assholes

Shocking!

noel · Post by **noel** » May 24, 2004, 8:39 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:OMG!

You mean there are two sides to a story? You mean people have over-reacted? NO! This could not be!

Common sense > overreacting assholes

Shocking!

People were responding to the evidence as it was presented. There was no overreaction by anyone on this board, only potentially by an overzealous editorial-columnist. I didn't see a single post discounting the fact that there might be another side to the story. Though that evidence is now highly questionable, we can examine the scenario from a hypothetical perspective, and focus on the issue of First Amendment rights, and how they apply within the classroom. In that hypothetical scenario, your reaction was still the deplorable and highly-un-American:

I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

Had you prudently stated that there were two sides to every story and that you wanted to reserve judgement until you heard that other side, I doubt anyone would have cared about your opinion. Instead you took the blind-faith-patriotic stance, and made yourself look like a fool. Everyone else had an appropriate reaction to the facts as they were originally presented.

The real humor in the thread was when people from Canada, Denmark and Norway were explaining to you why your opinion was un-American. The fact that a bunch of non-Americans understand the way this country is supposed to work and what it's supposed to stand for better than you, should be wholely embarassing for you.

So please, back away from your high horse. The only person who looked like an overreacting asshole on this thread was you.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 24, 2004, 9:52 pm

I'm don't own a high horse, thanks.

I argued the other side, aye. Everyone was willign to take one snipet and run with it. I tried to bring it back in balance. Overeacting is what idiots do when they hear one thing and go running in that direction, as you put it yourself. Too too funny.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 24, 2004, 10:39 pm

You tried to bring it back in balance? Guess a totalitarian regime is your form of balance then. Not surprised really.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 24, 2004, 11:06 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I'm don't own a high horse, thanks.

I argued the other side, aye. Everyone was willign to take one snipet and run with it. I tried to bring it back in balance. Overeacting is what idiots do when they hear one thing and go running in that direction, as you put it yourself. Too too funny.

I don't think anyone ran in any direction. What people did is defended the first amendment.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 24, 2004, 11:11 pm

Yes aranuil, before knowing if it was truly in jeopardy.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 24, 2004, 11:40 pm

Once again, Midnyte... You weren't arguing for prudence, you were arguing for censorship and facism. Now in hindsight, you're cracking on others for acting rationally when it was you yourself who was acting irrationally.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » May 25, 2004, 3:15 am

Aslanna wrote:
Taly wrote:yeah lets teach our kids hate at the young age and the world will never change! woot!
It's not hate. It's freedom to think and express what you want.

I'm sorry. That doesn't fit in with the current administrations plans.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » May 25, 2004, 3:50 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes aranuil, before knowing if it was truly in jeopardy.

Again, not trying to be an ass to you Mydnight, but I would rather err on the side of caution and be overprotective of the first amendment.