Unamerican kids and their poetry... yeah

Acies · Post by **Acies** » May 20, 2004, 7:34 pm

The story

Thoughts?

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » May 20, 2004, 7:41 pm

fucking nazis

Wonko Wenusberg · Post by **Wonko Wenusberg** » May 20, 2004, 7:43 pm

Stalin's nostrils are flapping of joy when Sovjet is reincarnated in the USA!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » May 20, 2004, 8:48 pm

Shouldn't someone be ripping on the ACLU?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 20, 2004, 9:48 pm

The girl's mother, also a teacher, was ordered by the principal to destroy the child's poetry. The mother refused and may lose her job.

At least the parents aren't intimidated. Way to go, mom!

Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules.

Seriously.. What the fuck? The Bush administration sucks. I don't see how that can be denied.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » May 20, 2004, 10:03 pm

Aslanna wrote: Seriously.. What the fuck? The Bush administration sucks. I don't see how that can be denied.

Shut your face!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 20, 2004, 10:39 pm

So, refresh my memory, what came next in the Third Reich after book burning?

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » May 20, 2004, 11:01 pm

hmm can't really say something bad about the ACLU for taking on a case like that. Bush bashing= anti-american?

Taly · Post by **Taly** » May 21, 2004, 12:16 am

yeah lets teach our kids hate at the young age and the world will never change! woot!

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 21, 2004, 12:41 am

What does anything in this thread have to do with hate? Let me change your post to what it should have said:

An Intelligent Taly wrote:School officials have no right to tell children what they should and should not think or say. The principal should be reprimanded for policing the thoughts of the students, let alone telling them to "Shut your faces." woot!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 21, 2004, 12:58 am

Taly wrote:yeah lets teach our kids hate at the young age and the world will never change! woot!

It's not hate. It's freedom to think and express what you want.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » May 21, 2004, 3:55 am

Taly wrote:yeah lets teach our kids hate at the young age and the world will never change! woot!

If any hate was being taught, it was on the part of the Principal in the way he acted. Students should be encouraged to voice their opinion on government actions, and to be involved.

m4yh3m · Post by **m4yh3m** » May 21, 2004, 4:03 am

Aslanna wrote:
Taly wrote:yeah lets teach our kids hate at the young age and the world will never change! woot!
It's not hate. It's freedom to think and express what you want.

Unfortunatly President Bush is doing his best to restrict what U.S. citizens can say, do, or think. Everything from restrictions on personal liberties to invasion of privacy concerns "to fight terrorism." What's even funnier is conservative states like Utah are rejecting the "No kid left behind" federal funding because the restrictions are actually counter productive to properly educating a child and because it's not affordable.

The best single thing that could happen to the U.S. is Bush's removal from office. The kid's had it right, especially if there were hate involved. Hate is the only thing that is going to get Pres. Assclown out of office and allow the U.S. to begin repairing all the damage it has suffered under piss-poor leadership these past 4 years.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 21, 2004, 8:52 am

Wow. That can't be real.

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » May 21, 2004, 9:13 am

I found this other article while doing a google news search...

Morons.org wrote:The principal of Rio Rancho High School is on a patriotic mission ensuring the safety of America's children...

The Bush Administration is in a precarious position. It started what is quickly becoming an unpopular war, which is theoretically over, and is occupying a foreign country largely in violation of international law gaining the ire of not only America's traditional enemies but also its allies. Bush is also up for re-election this year and the polls seem to indicate that his support even within his own country is declining.
Thankfully, there are good Americans around to support our President and his administration in these tough times. Americans like Gary Tripp, principal at the Rio Rancho High School in Rio Rancho New Mexico. He heads a school with an impressive student body of 2,600 students that has been named by Microsoft as a Center of Innovation.

Not only does he lead a school with impeccable technology credentials, he leads a school with impressive sports and physical fitness achievments. The Boy's Track and Field team managed 2nd place at the State Championships. Not to be outdone by the men, the Girl's Track and Field team managed a respectable 6th place at the State Championships. There was also the Rio Rancho Marine Corps JROTC who took first place in the Presidential Physical Fitness challenge and the 2004 District Golf Championship the school took home.

School is for learning, though. Sure he has great athletics and top notch facilities, but how does Gary Tripp's school do at academics? Looking here you can see that Rio Rancho's ACT scores have only risen over the years. For a school that is only 7 years old, it has reached national average levels remarkably well and is well above the average scores for the state of New Mexico.

A complete education isn't just about test scores though, it's about personal achievment and growth. Through extracurricular activities, students can become while people with capabilities in a number of areas. It's not surprising then, that the school Gary Tripp leads has award winning clubs and programs. There is the photography department which has students on display in the Capitol building in Washington D.C. and the culinary arts class which won state competitions.

Unfortunately, there are problems even in paradise. It seems that some members of the extracurricular clubs the school is generous enough to provide space for are Un-American. Even worse the students are encouraged by unpatriotic teachers like Bill Nevins. Recently a student broadcasted an anti-American poem throughout the entire school.

Quick to root out the worm in his apple Gary Tripp promptly suspended and eventually fired the enemy of the state who sponsored such ghastly activities, Bill Nevins. Assisted by an astute military liaison Gary Tripp then read a stirring, patriotic poem while raising the flag in a wonderful display of showmanship and true American values. Some dastardly terrorists attempted to silence this display of American virtue, but were not allowed to continue by Gary Tripp.

Seeing a growing problem in the school, all art and posters were analyzed to determine any unacceptable content. Those found to display disloyalty and opposition to the wonderful Bush Administration were taken down and any teachers not assisting with this duty did not have their contracts renewed. Finally, to ensure the safety of children in schools other than his own, Gary Tripp refused to send Bill Nevins' credentials to any other schools so he could not be employed to spread his insidious message.

Guarding the children's minds from poison and their bodies from physical harm, Gary Tripp is a true American Hero and deserves praise for his actions.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 10:06 am

Ironic.

Back when we were discussing the imminent invasion of Iraq by the US, there were a lot of Hitler comparisons made.

Was Saddam the real threat to the American people or is it the guy sitting in the white house?

Burke · Post by **Burke** » May 21, 2004, 10:16 am

That is fucking disgusting.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » May 21, 2004, 10:18 am

Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules.

*sigh*

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » May 21, 2004, 11:04 am

Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules.

Ummm That'd put Rumi as someone not to be translated, that is beyond absurd

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » May 21, 2004, 11:10 am

Pesky little first amendment...

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » May 21, 2004, 2:32 pm

we can always amend the constitution to get rid of that evil first amendment .....

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 21, 2004, 2:37 pm

the constitution was written by activist founders!

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » May 21, 2004, 2:59 pm

Th constitution was writting by people that would be a threat to the stability of our nation today, they'd be in jail via cointelpro

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 3:16 pm

I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » May 21, 2004, 3:18 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

Welcome to facism 101

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 21, 2004, 3:27 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

Tell me you're just trolling and don't honestly believe that.

And you call US narrowminded? That's golden.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » May 21, 2004, 3:35 pm

Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

HAHAHAHA, you had tohave been looking in the mirror when you said that.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » May 21, 2004, 3:35 pm

Oh this is going to be good.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 21, 2004, 3:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

You, Midnyte are a bad American. I'm not even flaming you. That is a statement of fact. To make the statement that the First Amendment is used too often is one of the most Un-American things I've ever read. The first amendment of the constitution is not used too much, or too little, it is simply used. The first amendment is one of our most basic rights. Your statement holds no merit whatsoever. There is no reason why the student or anyone shouldn't be able to express their own opinion, not the one that their government tells them to have.

Perhaps you've heard the term 'Bill of Rights' as it applies to the first 10 amendments to the constitution? The First Amendment is arguably the cornerstone of American society. There's no coincidence that it it's the first amendment either. The members of the Continental Congress recognized that the ability to criticize the way their government was affecting their lives and livelihoods was of paramount importance in ensuring that the government was working for the people, not against them. That is the purpose of our government by the way… to work for the people… not for themselves. You might have been too busy lauding the Bush administration to realize that.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » May 21, 2004, 3:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

Right to bear arms idiots don't use the first amendment to justify having automatic weapons...nice try though

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 4:22 pm

As much as I firmly believe in the first amendment, I also believe in the right of a school to try and mold our children into patriotic appreciators of our country and it's foundation, instead of being such bitter, negative, narrower minded, destructive people.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 21, 2004, 4:35 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:As much as I firmly believe in the first amendment, I also believe in the right of a school to try and mold our children into patriotic appreciators of our country and it's foundation

Woah there, take a look at that statement and see if you can spot the contradiction. A "patriotic appreciator of our country and its foundation" would, by definition, be looking at the foundation of our country. What embodies the foundation of our country more than the Bill of Rights? You cannot ignore one of the main principles that makes this a great country and still be a "patriotic appreciator" of the country.

And since when is questioning your government indicative of one who is bitter, negative, narrow minded or destructive? The only reason that you or I are in the United States of America right now is because of several groups of people who questioned their government.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 21, 2004, 4:35 pm

Just like you believe in the right of a school to drugtest every single student because you're too lazy of a parent?

The job of a school is teach, not brainwash.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » May 21, 2004, 4:38 pm

Our foundation is the Constitution and those same amendments. Censorship is not the way to impress upon our youth the greatness of our nation. I am curious if you would feel the same if it were a democrat in office instead? (seriously, I have no clue as to your political leanings)

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 21, 2004, 4:39 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:As much as I firmly believe in the first amendment, I also believe in the right of a school to try and mold our children into patriotic appreciators of our country and it's foundation, instead of being such bitter, negative, narrower minded, destructive people.

There's a huge difference between someone who wants to speak his mind and someone who's bitter, narrow minded and destructive.

The bitter and destructive one here is the principle. He's the one that has fired people, disbanded a totally legitimate poetry group and is supressing people's right to free speech.

A person can love their country without agreeing with the fuckwads running it.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 4:53 pm

Vetiria wrote:Just like you believe in the right of a school to drugtest every single student because you're too lazy of a parent?

The job of a school is teach, not brainwash.

No sweetheart. I believe in the right of a school to drug test the kids because I am realistic. I understand that no matter how good a parent thinks they are, there are many things that go on with their children they just don't see.

Back on topic, I understand what you all are saying about the importance of freedom of speech. I hold it dear as you do. However, I can also understand that principles disgust with the constant bullshit and negativity which continues to divide our country every day.

I have had it myself. Just look how many billions of dollars is spent by both parties just on ads and campaigns to make the other party look bad. This money and time should be spent on actual solutions to the problems that Americans face every day. But, they won't ever stop. If they actually fixed problems, they would have nothing to run on for the next election. It's that fucking simple. You dolts need to wake up.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 4:53 pm

Last time I checked, the USA was not a dictatorship.

In a democracy you have the freedom to question and criticise your elected officials without fear of repurcussion.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 4:57 pm

miir wrote:Last time I checked, the USA was not a dictatorship.

In a democracy you have the freedom to question and criticise your elected officials without fear of repurcussion.

What fear of reprecussion from the government was there in this case? There wasn't.

The amendment applies to the government. Not a school, a corporation etc.

Here's an example for the dummies: At work you can't say whatever you want. OMG! WHY? Because, the first amendment right doesn't apply to it's fullest extent at work. You have others feelings to worry about, so you aren't allowed to speak freely. You have to conform. You can get fired for talking sexually, racially, etc. You can understand this right? Gosh, I hope so. So now apply this to a school.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 21, 2004, 4:57 pm

Midnyte you are quite possibly the most un-patriotic and anti-American person I have ever seen post on this msg board. You truly should turn yourself in, because somebody as anti-American as you must obviously be a terrorist!

Jeeze.. I feel sorry for you and your family.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 4:59 pm

Kelshara wrote:Midnyte you are quite possibly the most un-patriotic and anti-American person I have ever seen post on this msg board. You truly should turn yourself in, because somebody as anti-American as you must obviously be a terrorist!

Jeeze.. I feel sorry for you and your family.

Wow, well said. You really added to the conversation. Well done.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 21, 2004, 5:03 pm

Probably because I can't find the words to describe my opinion of you without falling down to namecalling. You go against EVERYTHING the country was founded on, EVERY principle the country supports and fights for.. and you have the audacity to call out others as being un-patriotic or anti-American?

The most American thing you got are freedom of speech and the right to question the government. You want to take both of them away. You support censorship. What is next, limiting the freedoms of certain races? A Crystal Night?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 5:05 pm

Kelshara wrote:Probably because I can't find the words to describe my opinion of you without falling down to namecalling. You go against EVERYTHING the country was founded on, EVERY principle the country supports and fights for.. and you have the audacity to call out others as being un-patriotic or anti-American?

The most American thing you got are freedom of speech and the right to question the government. You want to take both of them away. You support censorship. What is next, limiting the freedoms of certain races? A Crystal Night?

Damn you are dense. Read my fucking posts. You used cliff notes in school didn't you?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 5:08 pm

What fear of reprecussion from the government was there in this case?

Did you even read the article?

You're acting more like a fucking Nazi than a patriotic American.
Next thing you know, you'll be encouraging fines and/or jail time for anyone who speaks out against your 'Grand Old Party'.

At work you can't say whatever you want. OMG! WHY? Because, the first amendment right doesn't apply to it's fullest extent at work.

A teachers job is the teach, not force theirs or anyone elses political opinions on their students.

Are children not allowed to have their own opinions in your America?
Should they fire teachers who don't lecture thier students about the evils of same-sex unions and/or abortion?

What's next, jailing parents who let their kids listen to 50 cent?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 21, 2004, 5:14 pm

You are a lazy parent. You want the school to tell your children what to think and how to live their lives, just like you want the government to. I love how self-proclaimed Republicans like you just hate government intervention, except in the cases that they love government intervention. You can't have it both ways.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 21, 2004, 5:15 pm

No I actually got an education, something it seems like you can only dream of. I read your posts, and they reek of stupidity.

Back on topic, I understand what you all are saying about the importance of freedom of speech. I hold it dear as you do. However, I can also understand that principles disgust with the constant bullshit and negativity which continues to divide our country every day.

No you hold it as dear as others do as long as what is said agrees with your opinions. Once it disagrees with you it is automaticall negative bullshit and needs to be stopped! Oh no somebody has a different opinion from you!

As much as I firmly believe in the first amendment, I also believe in the right of a school to try and mold our children into patriotic appreciators of our country and it's foundation

Been tried before, it was called the Hitler Jugend. Not to mention, if they are to be patriotic appreciators of the country's foundation then they would be AGAINST censorhip and in support of free speech.. even if it disagreed with their own political opinion.

I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

And here we are at the core of your problems: You view anything that doesn't blindly support your view/your leader's view as anti-patriotic, while the most patriotic thing an American can do is to question and NOT to follow blindly.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

I thought Metanis was the most narrow-minded moron on this board, but you just grabbed the title. Grats, probably the first thing you've won in your life.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 5:22 pm

miir wrote:
What fear of reprecussion from the government was there in this case?
Did you even read the article?

You're acting more like a fucking Nazi than a patriotic American.
Next thing you know, you'll be encouraging fines and/or jail time for anyone who speaks out against your 'Grand Old Party'.

At work you can't say whatever you want. OMG! WHY? Because, the first amendment right doesn't apply to it's fullest extent at work.
A teachers job is the teach, not force theirs or anyone elses political opinions on their students.

Are children not allowed to have their own opinions in your America?
Should they fire teachers who don't lecture thier students about the evils of same-sex unions and/or abortion?

What's next, jailing parents who let their kids listen to 50 cent?

Wow that's a lot of questions. Okay, here goes:

I re-read the arlticle, I don't see anyone being punished by the government for their stance.

A teachers job is to teach and not impose their beliefs on the kids. I couldn't agree more. I wish we had video tape of this teacher. I'd love to see if he had a lot to do with the way these peoms came out by the kids.

Teachers shouldn't discuss homosexuality in the schools, except, in the future once it's proven, in science class how a particular gene gets fucked up in the womb causing them to be born that way. Just like they used to mention that there is a certain gene that fucked up causing people to be born retarded.

Jailing parents for letting their kids listen to 50 cent? Nope. Not in favor of that. Do they deserve a wince of disgust, maybe

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 5:25 pm

Vetiria wrote:You are a lazy parent. You want the school to tell your children what to think and how to live their lives, just like you want the government to. I love how self-proclaimed Republicans like you just hate government intervention, except in the cases that they love government intervention. You can't have it both ways.

Uh-huh. Yeah, I didn't say any of those things. LOL. I don't want schools telling my children what to think or how to live their lives. Do I demand a safe place for my child to spend all that time during their formative years in a safe atmosphere? You're god damned right I do.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 21, 2004, 5:28 pm

I re-read the arlticle, I don't see anyone being punished by the government for their stance

Someone was punished for not censoring anti-government statements.

I don't want schools telling my children what to think or how to live their lives.

But it's ok for schools to teach children that they will be punished for allowing their students to speak their own opinions?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 21, 2004, 5:29 pm

Kelshara wrote:
And here we are at the core of your problems: You view anything that doesn't blindly support your view/your leader's view as anti-patriotic, while the most patriotic thing an American can do is to question and NOT to follow blindly.

Wrong again. /sigh

There are many things the leader of the free world has done that I don't agree with. I just choose to support my country's decisions once they are made. I prefer unity over division.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » May 21, 2004, 5:29 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I applaud the principal. I glad he is trying to squash this fostering of discontent and anti-patriotism.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

You remind me of the "right to bear arms" idiots. Who use this to justify having automatic weapons.

So you can only be patriotic if you are against social liberties and are republican. "Mold children into patriots" what the fuck does that mean?

You are thinking like a fucking Nazi, although i know you will try to deny it

If your a true american patriot and love freedom you will go out on november 2nd and vote this facioust asshole out of office.