The rest of the story....

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 6:44 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I just got a letter from State Farm last week ammending my automotive policy. It lists things like chemical weapons, WMD, and terrorist related acts that my policy no longer covers. You've got to hand it to those crooks for working in advance to cover thier own asses.

they snuck that into the homeland security bill. do you feel more secure?

Mak · Post by **Mak** » March 3, 2003, 6:53 pm

Fallanthas wrote:THe physician pays enormous malpractice insurance premiums.

You can place a great deal of blame on the courts for this one. I suppose you could say that insurance companies have some responsibility re: less money given for preventive health issues, but the blame by far lies with lawyers and the continually rising civil awards. You have awards in the hundreds of millions of dollars for claims that, while legitimate, are still undeserving of such large monetary judgements.

Also, doctors do bear some of this responsibility as well. Doctors do a terrible job of policing themselves. Medical review committees in hospitals and state appointed boards very often give far too much leniency to doctors for reasons of "professional courtesy" than anyone else would ever give. My wife is an ICU nurse and has given me a written list of doctors that she doesn't want working on her if she is unable to make that decision herself. It is common knowledge throughout hospitals which doctors are 'safer' than others.

cid · Post by **cid** » March 3, 2003, 7:03 pm

My fiance got an operation down in seattle but it was largely cosmetic and certainly elective and he felt like going to a specialist.

Guess he got tired of you haveing a bigger cock then him. Gratz him on penis enlargement. (We get allot of Canadians getting those down here).

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 3, 2003, 7:10 pm

disclaimer: i dont know much about Canadian medicine

just an offhand comment to follow up on Dregor's statement though, and that is, if you have to drive to the US for important procedures like an MRI...

an MRI is an extremely routine procedure, and hardly cutting edge medicine anymore.

understandibly, maybe you just didnt pick something that was the best example, but if that is accurate, you guys need help

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 3, 2003, 7:44 pm

It probably wasn't the best example, no. This was several years ago that I heard the report on people going down to like Buffalo for MRI's from the Southern Ontario area, because we didn't have enough facilities to meet the demand. Like I said tho, this was several years ago, could very well be different now.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 9:24 pm

cid wrote: Guess he got tired of you haveing a bigger cock then him. Gratz him on penis enlargement. (We get allot of Canadians getting those down here).

yeah that was a good one.

seriously why do you even try?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 3, 2003, 9:33 pm

Guess I had cheap insurance then because mine has always excluded things like wars, nuclear blasts, acts of God, etc.

But really, in a nuclear blast my car is the last thing I'd care about. Assuming I was still alive. And if I was still alive in an area that is suffering nuclear effefcts such as fallout I think I'd rather not be alive.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 9:33 pm

Aslanna wrote:Guess I had cheap insurance then because mine has always excluded things like wars, nuclear blasts, acts of God, etc.

But really, in a nuclear blast my car is the last thing I'd care about. Assuming I was still alive. And if I was still alive in an area that is suffering nuclear effefcts such as fallout I think I'd rather not be alive.

medical insurance is the topic

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 3, 2003, 9:36 pm

medical insurance is the topic

I wasn't the one who brought it up. But thanks for the pointer.

Ceredwin · Post by **Ceredwin** » March 4, 2003, 12:24 am

Actually, an MRI would be a perfect example. My daughter has MS (multiple sclerosis) She was diagnosed at 15, a pretty early age, just last year. Within hours they did an MRI, after a CAT scan ruled out an anuerism, and within 24 hours had rest of testing, spinal, etc.

Naturally, I contected all the websites about MS to inform myself quite soon after. According to people with MS or suspected MS even getting tests to diagnose this disease is a major hassle in socialised medecine type countries. Some of these people wait years for an MRI or any other procedure I would consider basic, just to be told they must wait years longer to begin treatment.

Thank God we have insurance and live in a country that does the research enabled by the evil Capitalist system, funded by such. She was put on Betaseron, within 2 months, which will help prevent future epicodes. Many of those I have contacted from other countries, particularly socialised medicine ones, IE: Britain/Canada wait years to even be diagnosed, let alone given preventative medicine.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 4, 2003, 1:10 am

Ceredwin wrote:Actually, an MRI would be a perfect example. My daughter has MS (multiple sclerosis) She was diagnosed at 15, a pretty early age, just last year. Within hours they did an MRI, after a CAT scan ruled out an anuerism, and within 24 hours had rest of testing, spinal, etc.

Naturally, I contected all the websites about MS to inform myself quite soon after. According to people with MS or suspected MS even getting tests to diagnose this disease is a major hassle in socialised medecine type countries. Some of these people wait years for an MRI or any other procedure I would consider basic, just to be told they must wait years longer to begin treatment.

Thank God we have insurance and live in a country that does the research enabled by the evil Capitalist system, funded by such. She was put on Betaseron, within 2 months, which will help prevent future epicodes. Many of those I have contacted from other countries, particularly socialised medicine ones, IE: Britain/Canada wait years to even be diagnosed, let alone given preventative medicine.

way to read the thread jackhole. too bad US hospitals lack a cure for stupid.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 4, 2003, 3:26 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Ceredwin wrote:Actually, an MRI would be a perfect example. My daughter has MS (multiple sclerosis) She was diagnosed at 15, a pretty early age, just last year. Within hours they did an MRI, after a CAT scan ruled out an anuerism, and within 24 hours had rest of testing, spinal, etc.

Naturally, I contected all the websites about MS to inform myself quite soon after. According to people with MS or suspected MS even getting tests to diagnose this disease is a major hassle in socialised medecine type countries. Some of these people wait years for an MRI or any other procedure I would consider basic, just to be told they must wait years longer to begin treatment.

Thank God we have insurance and live in a country that does the research enabled by the evil Capitalist system, funded by such. She was put on Betaseron, within 2 months, which will help prevent future epicodes. Many of those I have contacted from other countries, particularly socialised medicine ones, IE: Britain/Canada wait years to even be diagnosed, let alone given preventative medicine.
way to read the thread jackhole. too bad US hospitals lack a cure for stupid.

Way to insult someone who just told you his daughter has a crippling disease you fucking waste of skin. What a poor excuse for a human being you are. You find your comments particularly witty? Insightful? or just plain ignorant.

My mother-in-law has MS she had to go to Buffalo for an MRI because the wait in Toronto was 6 months. Good luck to you sir and your daughter.

Cheers

miir · Post by **miir** » March 4, 2003, 10:41 am

Some of these people wait years for an MRI or any other procedure I would consider basic

You honestly think that Canadadians are waiting years for procedures such as MRIs? The average wait for an MRI is roughly 3-4 months. If the situation is urgent, they can be done within days.

Are you trying to make yourself look like a complete fucking idiot?

Way to insult someone who just told you his daughter has a crippling disease you fucking waste of skin.

It's not his daughters fault he's a moron.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 4, 2003, 12:38 pm

Ceredwin wrote:Actually, an MRI would be a perfect example. My daughter has MS (multiple sclerosis) She was diagnosed at 15, a pretty early age, just last year. Within hours they did an MRI, after a CAT scan ruled out an anuerism, and within 24 hours had rest of testing, spinal, etc.

Naturally, I contected all the websites about MS to inform myself quite soon after. According to people with MS or suspected MS even getting tests to diagnose this disease is a major hassle in socialised medecine type countries. Some of these people wait years for an MRI or any other procedure I would consider basic, just to be told they must wait years longer to begin treatment.

Thank God we have insurance and live in a country that does the research enabled by the evil Capitalist system, funded by such. She was put on Betaseron, within 2 months, which will help prevent future epicodes. Many of those I have contacted from other countries, particularly socialised medicine ones, IE: Britain/Canada wait years to even be diagnosed, let alone given preventative medicine.

Miir I see where you derived that idea about the above poster being stupid.
However note where he says he got his information from people he had spoken to in other countries. It is common for people with an illness to exaggerate the circumstances surrounding the diagnosis and treatment. This does not make the individual stupid. It certainly does not make him a target for more of Kyoukans unique form of abuse either.

Cheers

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 4, 2003, 1:00 pm

Dont want to start a war with Miir? lol you fucking pussy. as if your form of abuse is any better than kyo's

Your constant use of my daughter, in every post you make to me, is not only laughable, it is unique

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 4, 2003, 1:06 pm

Months? Days?

Maybe the problem here is a lack of perspective.

If I were suspected of having MS, I would be getting an MRI this afternoon, tomorrow at the latest.

I don't have any experience with canadian medicine, so I can't see this from both sides. From the U.S. side, the only thing you are going to wait months for are organ transplants and cosmetic surgery.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 4, 2003, 1:10 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Months? Days?

Maybe the problem here is a lack of perspective.

If I were suspected of having MS, I would be getting an MRI this afternoon, tomorrow at the latest.

I don't have any experience with canadian medicine, so I can't see this from both sides. From the U.S. side, the only thing you are going to wait months for are organ transplants and cosmetic surgery.

It's common to exaggerate how good your country is and how bad other contries are in discussions like this.

You can't expect anyone but a Canadian to be able to provide an accurate opinion on Canada's health care.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 4, 2003, 1:12 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:I just got a letter from State Farm last week ammending my automotive policy. It lists things like chemical weapons, WMD, and terrorist related acts that my policy no longer covers. You've got to hand it to those crooks for working in advance to cover thier own asses.
they snuck that into the homeland security bill. do you feel more secure?

No I don't. But I'm certian my insurance agent does!

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 4, 2003, 1:13 pm

I agree Miir. I have zero experience on your side of the border.

I can assure you my example of getting an MRI within a day is not an exagerration. The most annoying wait time for medical treatment here in the states is for lab work-ups on samples.

So if a doctor in Canada told you they wanted to do an MRI it would take a couple weeks to get it scheduled?

miir · Post by **miir** » March 4, 2003, 1:16 pm

So if a doctor in Canada told you they wanted to do an MRI it would take a couple weeks to get it scheduled?

It really depends on the severity of the situation and the current backlog for MRIs.

I know my grandmother had an MRI done early last year and she waited less than a week.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 4, 2003, 2:34 pm

In cases of emergency care MRI's CAT scans and the like are instant.
In cases of diagnosis, MS, Tumors, etc it can take weeks or in some cases months. Not only for the tests but also for treatment. The severity of the case is always a determining factor, however we do not have the access to these types of tests like the Americans do.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 4, 2003, 2:38 pm

Masekle wrote:Dont want to start a war with Miir? lol you fucking pussy. as if your form of abuse is any better than kyo's

Your constant use of my daughter, in every post you make to me, is not only laughable, it is unique

It is only with intolerable stupidity that I take exception. You sir fall into that category. Miir, on the other hand is intelligent and has the ability to conduct an interesting debate on issues.

Not every discussion needs to become a flame war.

Cheers

Sorry for the double post

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 4, 2003, 2:39 pm

part of the reason is population density. MRI magnets and the like are of course cost prohibitive, and you cant just have them at every crossroads. i'm sure in the midwest of America where population densities approach those of Canada you have similar issues with scheduling delays on procedures like that.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » March 4, 2003, 3:36 pm

Voronwë wrote:most insurance plans dont cover birth control.

considering how cheap it is, i don't know why, cause yes as you said, babies cost insurance companies a freakin' mint!

Actually, you would be suprised bro.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 4, 2003, 4:37 pm

Just keep making the Canadian Whiskey and I couldnt care less what you say about the Good Ole USA

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 4, 2003, 4:54 pm

Aslanna wrote:
medical insurance is the topic
I wasn't the one who brought it up. But thanks for the pointer.

oh sorry I didn't think he was talking about auto insurance.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 4, 2003, 5:10 pm

Heh, I can't get broad band internet service out here, but I can get an MRI at one of three locations within thirty minutes drive.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 4, 2003, 8:05 pm

Atokal wrote:
Masekle wrote:Dont want to start a war with Miir? lol you fucking pussy. as if your form of abuse is any better than kyo's

Your constant use of my daughter, in every post you make to me, is not only laughable, it is unique
It is only with intolerable stupidity that I take exception. You sir fall into that category. Miir, on the other hand is intelligent and has the ability to conduct an interesting debate on issues.

Not every discussion needs to become a flame war.

Cheers

Sorry for the double post

LOL you got called out on your stupidity. You tucked your tail. End of story

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 4, 2003, 11:08 pm

Masekle wrote:
Atokal wrote:
Masekle wrote:Dont want to start a war with Miir? lol you fucking pussy. as if your form of abuse is any better than kyo's

Your constant use of my daughter, in every post you make to me, is not only laughable, it is unique
It is only with intolerable stupidity that I take exception. You sir fall into that category. Miir, on the other hand is intelligent and has the ability to conduct an interesting debate on issues.

Not every discussion needs to become a flame war.

Cheers

Sorry for the double post
LOL you got called out on your stupidity. You tucked your tail. End of story

EL OH EL

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » March 5, 2003, 12:19 am

Atokal wrote:
Masekle wrote:
Atokal wrote:
Masekle wrote:Dont want to start a war with Miir? lol you fucking pussy. as if your form of abuse is any better than kyo's

Your constant use of my daughter, in every post you make to me, is not only laughable, it is unique
It is only with intolerable stupidity that I take exception. You sir fall into that category. Miir, on the other hand is intelligent and has the ability to conduct an interesting debate on issues.

Not every discussion needs to become a flame war.

Cheers

Sorry for the double post
LOL you got called out on your stupidity. You tucked your tail. End of story
EL OH EL

BANDWAGON!

miir · Post by **miir** » March 5, 2003, 10:35 am

What's that smell?
Did someone masekle their pants?

Ninan · Post by **Ninan** » March 5, 2003, 11:30 am

Na that was just Kooky slithering by.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » March 5, 2003, 12:00 pm

As a parent and now a grandparent i would do everything in my power to save my child or my grandchild.. If it meant doing something illegal to do it.. I would... even if it meant my possible imprisonment or even death.

I am more appalled that the mistake was made on the first transplant then anything else about this situation.. I can understand a parents desperation to save their childs life.

I can not fault them for living where they do.. most people that I know anyways did not get a choice as to who their parents were nor where their parents lived when they were born..

In the end this WILL cost the average american citizen something.. someone WILL file a huge insurance claim to offset some of the cost of this botched case.. which will get passed down to the average person in the form of a higher insurance premium..

While i sympathize with the parents and am sorry for their loss.. i do not feel they should be entitled to any form of compensation from a lawsuit.. not being U.S. citizens and illegally smuggling your child into this country for an operation to me anyways invokes the phrase "You pays your money you takes your chances"

Now the extremists of this group will take that to mean that i feel they deserve less then professional care because they are not U.S. citizens.. simply no.. that means that if you commit an illegal act no matter how noble the intent you are not entitled to compensation when its botched..

-Ajran

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 5, 2003, 12:03 pm

miir wrote:What's that smell?
Did someone masekle their pants?

Heh!11!1

8 inches of snow here today, transport truck almost ran me off the road.
I think I Masekled my pants.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 5, 2003, 5:54 pm

Atokal wrote:
miir wrote:What's that smell?
Did someone masekle their pants?

Heh!11!1

8 inches of snow here today, transport truck almost ran me off the road.
I think I Masekled my pants.

If your lucky enough to have that occur, it would be the best thing that ever happened for you.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 5, 2003, 6:22 pm

Masekle wrote:
Atokal wrote:
miir wrote:What's that smell?
Did someone masekle their pants?

Heh!11!1

8 inches of snow here today, transport truck almost ran me off the road.
I think I Masekled my pants.
If your lucky enough to have that occur, it would be the best thing that ever happened for you.

um, who let the moron out of his cage?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » March 5, 2003, 6:25 pm

Toker started talking about 8 inches and Masekle didnt realize it was snow he was talking about.

Poor Masekle probably dropped his pants right there hoping for the hot beef injection.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 5, 2003, 7:17 pm