Political Questionnaire

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 28, 2009, 3:51 pm

Xatrei wrote:Ok, first of all, my response wasn't directed to anyone in particular, so I'm not sure why you're being so defensive, bordering on hostile. Secondly, regardless of whether someone thinks the question is silly or slanted isn't really the point. I chose to quote their response to the "slanted" accusation because I thought it went a ways towards providing an explanation of their methodology and why they chose to use these specific positions in the manner which they did. In that regard, I think it's totally relevant. I'm not saying it's a perfect test. I'm sure that there are any number of legitimate questions or issues that can be raised with it by persons with a sociological, political science or statistical analysis background, I just thought that the most common criticism that I've seen leveled here seems to be misplaced and is explained rather well in the FAQ that I linked, and in the response that I quoted in particular.

I saw only one person say that it might be slanted (Miir). I'm sorry you felt the need to justify something that nobody questioned. Maybe you were the one being too defensive over a poll that you had nothing to do with putting together. Thinking that my response was borderline hostile is hilarious.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » May 28, 2009, 4:02 pm

no you're the one being defensive! no you are!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 28, 2009, 4:04 pm

At least there is some defense here, unlike in Dallas!

miir · Post by **miir** » May 28, 2009, 4:11 pm

Boogahz wrote:I saw only one person say that it might be slanted (Miir).

Heheh, and I'm a lefty who thought the the questions had a leftward slant.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 28, 2009, 4:22 pm

Jesus dude. This is probably the least controversial or inflammatory thing that I've said on this board in I don't know how long, and you want to pick a fight over it for some reason. Maybe you're just bored and just want to mix it up or something. Whatever.

At no point did I say that "slanted" was the most common criticism, I merely quoted that portion of their FAQ because their answer seems relevant to the discussion in this thread, and I said as much before. I'm sorry that I didn't spell things out sufficiently for your seemingly underdeveloped comprehension abilities to grasp. I give some of you too much credit in that regard, apparently. My failure here is that rather than explicitly restating the most common complaint, that the questions are silly/dumb/vague/slanted/don't include a totally neutral answer (all slightly different, but thematically related), I merely alluded to it. For your benefit, I'll make a mental note not to engage in such "complex" conversational conventions in the future. I assumed that what constitutes the most common complaint(s) would be apparent to anyone that has been following the thread. To restate, whether the questions seem silly, slanted or whatever isn't the point. I thought a link to their own explanation of their methodology might add to the discussion about the test. The rest of their FAQ is interesting also.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 28, 2009, 4:35 pm

Who's hostile now?

Seriously, I was only pointing out that the common concern in the particular FAQ question you posted was not an issue here (questions being slanted). I am sorry that you are unable to grasp this, and I will try to make it a point to spell things out in short words for you in the future. I loved that they felt the need to include the following statement:

Incidentally, our test is not another internet personality classification tool. The essence of our site is the model for political analysis. The test is simply a demonstration of it.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 28, 2009, 4:42 pm

Boogahz wrote:Who's hostile now?

Seriously, I was only pointing out that the common concern in the particular FAQ question you posted was not an issue here (questions being slanted). I am sorry that you are unable to grasp this, and I will try to make it a point to spell things out in short words for you in the future. I loved that they felt the need to include the following statement:

Incidentally, our test is not another internet personality classification tool. The essence of our site is the model for political analysis. The test is simply a demonstration of it.

Yes, I'm getting hostile because your apparent stupidity here is working my nerves. I fully understand that the concern about questions being slanted is not one that was raised (much) in this thread. Again, that's irrelevant. My point is that their response to the "slanted" question is relevant to the other criticisms leveled within this thread. I've stated this in my previous posts, and you seem to have either failed to understand it or have chosen to ignore it. How many different ways would you like me to say this?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 28, 2009, 4:46 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Boogahz wrote:Who's hostile now?

Seriously, I was only pointing out that the common concern in the particular FAQ question you posted was not an issue here (questions being slanted). I am sorry that you are unable to grasp this, and I will try to make it a point to spell things out in short words for you in the future. I loved that they felt the need to include the following statement:

Incidentally, our test is not another internet personality classification tool. The essence of our site is the model for political analysis. The test is simply a demonstration of it.
Yes, I'm getting hostile because your apparent stupidity here is working my nerves. I fully understand that the concern about questions being slanted is not one that was raised (much) in this thread. Again, that's irrelevant. My point is that their response to the "slanted" question is relevant to the other criticisms leveled within this thread. I've stated this in my previous posts, and you seem to have either failed to understand it or have chosen to ignore it. How many different ways would you like me to say this?

Try six more. I understand your feelings towards getting the last word in during inconsequential arguments, and I am having fun seeing how far off your rocker you're going to go on this one. This was a typical myspace-era survey that doesn't amount to anything.

What next?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 28, 2009, 4:58 pm

http://www.theadvocates.org

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 28, 2009, 5:02 pm

This is fun. lol.

Seriously though, I'm definitely a far right nutjob.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 28, 2009, 5:04 pm

http://www.moral-politics.com

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 28, 2009, 5:05 pm

Charts for everyone!

(omg why not image showing up anymore!)

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 28, 2009, 5:06 pm

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 28, 2009, 5:09 pm

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 28, 2009, 5:12 pm

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 28, 2009, 5:35 pm

I wasn't smart enough to post an image of my Moral Matrix but it said I was a socialist activist member of the Green Party.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » May 28, 2009, 5:37 pm

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -4 on Moral Order and 2.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama, Dennis Kucinich

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 28, 2009, 5:42 pm

Spang wrote:I wasn't smart enough to post an image of my Moral Matrix but it said I was a socialist activist member of the Green Party.

ie: terrorist

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 28, 2009, 6:06 pm

Moral Matrix: -7 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.

World's Smallest Political Quiz: personal issues 90% / economic issues 10%

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 28, 2009, 7:05 pm

I think some of the "right wing nut jobs" that are showing up as left of centre on those quizzes should go back and answer the questions with this mindset: What if the proposition only applies to other people, and not me. In doing this, you should consider everyone in the world, not just Americans. You should also consider the *bad* people, like the terrorists.

OK, now let's see how left you are.

I don't want to call all ya'll liars, but I do think you're deluding yourself.

e.g. This is what your compass looks like when I answer the questions for you, based on what you've said on here in the past:

And this is what you think you are:

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » May 28, 2009, 8:25 pm

TYEK'S SCORE

Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: John F Kennedy
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barrack Obama

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 28, 2009, 8:37 pm

Good god, look at all of those libs!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » May 28, 2009, 9:04 pm

none of these ask me about MAH GUNZ that i dont have

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -1 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: John F Kennedy
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barrack Obama

that is funny since i didn't vote for any of those dudes

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 28, 2009, 9:08 pm

Wow, zaelath, way to be an arrogant douche, I knew we could count on you.

I answered exactly as you said, imagine that! Maybe you just aren't all knowing like you think and don't have everyone pegged as well as you think you do.

What exactly would be my (or anyones) reason to give misleading answers? I personally can say I've spoke on vv on topics related to maybe 5 questions on all those tests combined..

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 28, 2009, 9:17 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, zaelath, way to be an arrogant douche, I knew we could count on you.

I answered exactly as you said, imagine that! Maybe you just aren't all knowing like you think and don't have everyone pegged as well as you think you do.

What exactly would be my (or anyones) reason to give misleading answers? I personally can say I've spoke on vv on topics related to maybe 5 questions on all those tests combined..

Wow, Funkmasterr, way to be a pathetic child.

Feel free to post your answers to the first questionaire if you like and we can have a little discussion about self delusion. Or do you really think you're a pinko lefty?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 28, 2009, 10:25 pm

Oh no Jice doesn't like my posting because I don't think murder in the Iraq war is ok, whatever the fuck shall I do now that I share the view of 99% of the rest of the planet Earth.

As for mine - roughly:

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 28, 2009, 10:32 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Wow, zaelath, way to be an arrogant douche, I knew we could count on you.

I answered exactly as you said, imagine that! Maybe you just aren't all knowing like you think and don't have everyone pegged as well as you think you do.

What exactly would be my (or anyones) reason to give misleading answers? I personally can say I've spoke on vv on topics related to maybe 5 questions on all those tests combined..
Wow, Funkmasterr, way to be a pathetic child.

Feel free to post your answers to the first questionaire if you like and we can have a little discussion about self delusion. Or do you really think you're a pinko lefty?

Ill do exactly that later tonight. I don't consider myself a lefty or a righty, btw, I've never really put much thought into where on the spectrum I fall, I know what I believe and that's what matters to me.

The level of arrogance you're displaying right now is stunning.

Edit: if you call bs on anything it should be nicks result, lol4reelz!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 28, 2009, 10:39 pm

Funkmasterr wrote: Ill do exactly that later tonight. The level of arrogance you're displaying right now is stunning.

You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 28, 2009, 11:06 pm

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » May 28, 2009, 11:16 pm

YOUR SCORE

Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Conservatism
Ideology: Capital Republicanism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Gerald Ford
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barrack Obama

So according to the moral rules one I'm almost dead center (no surprise) but the other one says I'm a strong libertarian... hmmm (and I r too teh stupid to figger out how to copy the pretty pichurs

)

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 28, 2009, 11:48 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote: Ill do exactly that later tonight. The level of arrogance you're displaying right now is stunning.
You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means.

Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

As in, your feelings of self importance and superiority are displayed perfectly by your attempt to patronize me.

Presumptuous dickhead also comes to mind, care to question my choice of words there?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 29, 2009, 12:16 am

My answers to the first quiz, I'll spoiler them so it doesn't take up too much space.

[Show]: 1-Agree
2-Disagree
3-Disagree
4-Disagree
5-Disagree
6-Agree
7-Agree
8-Agree
9-Disagree (depends, this is a question I would like a more neutral answer to)
10-Agree
11-Disagree
12-Strongly Disagree
13-Strongly Disagree
14-Disagree
15-Agree
16-Disagree
17-Disagree
18-Agree
19-Agree (mislead how? Answer to that question could change mine)
20-Agree
21-Disagree
22-Strongly Disagree
23-Agree
24-Agree
25-Agree (Museums, maybe - theatres, no)
26-Strongly Disagree
27-Strongly Disagree
28-Agree
29-Agree
30-Strongly Agree
31-Agree
32-Disagree (answer could change depending on factors like childs likliehood to inherit disease, etc.)
33-Disagree
34-Strongly Agree
35-Strongly Agree
36-Agree
37-Strongly Disagree
38-Strongly Disagree
39-Disagree
40-Strongly Disagree
41-Agree (doesn't mean that I think a one party system is the answer)
42-Agree
43-Agree
44-Agree
45-Disagree (My real answer would be I don't care, but I don't know about artistic styles so I'm no one to judge.)
46-Agree (Would like a more neutral answer, depending on the offense my answer would change)
47-Agree
48-Disagree
49-Disagree
50-Agree
51-Disagree
52-Agree
53-Strongly Disagree
54-Disagree
55-Agree
56-Strongly Disagree
57-Strongly Disagree
58-Agree
59-Strongly Agree
60-Strongly Agree
61-Disagree
62-Disagree

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 29, 2009, 12:46 am

I have an exchange server to migrate, so I'll just give you one to go on with...

Funkmasterr wrote:My answers to the first quiz, I'll spoiler them so it doesn't take up too much space.

23-Agree

Question 23: All authority should be questioned.

You agree?

How do you rationalize that position with this post? http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... =a&start=3

Funkmasterr wrote: You know, I can't help but feel sorry for the painfully ignorant people that get all up in arms about things like the patriot act, unfortunately my father is one of them.

It makes me sick to hear people whining about shit like, "why do they need to be able to monitor someones house and bla bla bla from a satelite" and all the other various points they try to make. If you arent a terrorist or doing something that would cause your life to be monitored you don't have anything to worry about.

If you think the government didn't secretly have and use all these methods before this act was passed you are definately out of touch with reality, they just didnt put any of it out in the open until the patriot act. And the only reason for it was to calm the public and assure them they are going over and above on their efforts to fight terrorism.

But hey, it gives the fucking libs more ammo to bush bash right....

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 29, 2009, 2:19 am

Zaelath wrote:I have an exchange server to migrate, so I'll just give you one to go on with...

Funkmasterr wrote:My answers to the first quiz, I'll spoiler them so it doesn't take up too much space.

23-Agree
Question 23: All authority should be questioned.

You agree?

How do you rationalize that position with this post? http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... =a&start=3

Funkmasterr wrote: You know, I can't help but feel sorry for the painfully ignorant people that get all up in arms about things like the patriot act, unfortunately my father is one of them.

It makes me sick to hear people whining about shit like, "why do they need to be able to monitor someones house and bla bla bla from a satelite" and all the other various points they try to make. If you arent a terrorist or doing something that would cause your life to be monitored you don't have anything to worry about.

If you think the government didn't secretly have and use all these methods before this act was passed you are definately out of touch with reality, they just didnt put any of it out in the open until the patriot act. And the only reason for it was to calm the public and assure them they are going over and above on their efforts to fight terrorism.

But hey, it gives the fucking libs more ammo to bush bash right....

That's the best you can do? Provide one scenario out of many possible scenarios for one of my answers? Would that have pushed me way over where you claim I should be? I believe it's good to question all kinds of authority (not just the government), but I also think there are situations where there are things we don't need to know and have to trust (or at least hope) the government doesn't fuck it up. Makes perfect sense to me.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 29, 2009, 4:06 am

As I said, I was on the way out the door.

There are any number of posts from any number of people (Midnyte was the King) that spent a lot of time proclaiming that the government (president) should not be questioned, and you trailed along behind them singing "America, Fuck Yeah!".

How many examples would I have to farm out of your long history of not believing what you profess before you would accept there was a disparity? I think the answer is: infiinte. This despite the fact that logic dictates that in order to disprove a claim you only have to provide one counter example.

There were other examples before question 23 that I recall you having posted to the contrary of what you answered, but I didn't have time to go find the actual quotes. I think we can agree that doing so would be a waste of time because there wouldn't be enough of them.

OH, and by the way, you might want to go and google the definition of "ALL".

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » May 29, 2009, 6:54 am

I love how people act as if random tests by random people/organizations somehow tell a greater truth than what we've all displayed over YEARS of political and social discourse on VV...

I think these these tests have value, but stop questioning where your own dot or someone elses dot lies.

These tests, if anything, take our political/philosophical discussions and compacts them into something less than a fucking soundbite.

It's a fucking dot... on a fucking chart. A chart as meaningful or meaningless as what fucking 'Sex and the City' or 'Lord of the Rings' character you are.

Take if for what it is or shut the fuck up and move on.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 29, 2009, 8:35 am

Zaelath wrote:There are any number of posts from any number of people (Midnyte was the King) that spent a lot of time proclaiming that the government (president) should not be questioned, and you trailed along behind them singing "America, Fuck Yeah!".

I highly doubt anyone said they shouldn't be questioned, but, there's a difference between questioning something and attacking as if you 100% sure that they're wrong.

As much as you might consider me in that group, I question them all the time... I love conspiracy theories and part of me thinks both parties are sock puppets for our amusement and the illusion of debate, while the decision is predetermined.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 29, 2009, 9:18 am

Zaelath wrote:As I said, I was on the way out the door.

There are any number of posts from any number of people (Midnyte was the King) that spent a lot of time proclaiming that the government (president) should not be questioned, and you trailed along behind them singing "America, Fuck Yeah!".

How many examples would I have to farm out of your long history of not believing what you profess before you would accept there was a disparity? I think the answer is: infiinte. This despite the fact that logic dictates that in order to disprove a claim you only have to provide one counter example.

There were other examples before question 23 that I recall you having posted to the contrary of what you answered, but I didn't have time to go find the actual quotes. I think we can agree that doing so would be a waste of time because there wouldn't be enough of them.

OH, and by the way, you might want to go and google the definition of "ALL".

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, probably because that's what it is.

Even if you could dig back 7 years and fine another example or two (I have my doubts you could), when I started posting here I was 20, I'm 27 now and my views on a lot of things have changed, cause you know, that happens to some people.

I don't know why you get such a sense of satisfaction out of being a prick and going on campaigns like this. Pathetic.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 11:05 am

Your scored 0 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Conservatism, Liberalism
Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism, Progressive NeoLiberalism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan
04' Election: Michael Badnarik
08' Election: Ron Paul

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 11:08 am

So far none of mine take me over to the right and they seem to point towards Libertarian for the msot part.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 29, 2009, 11:17 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:So far none of mine take me over to the right and they seem to point towards Libertarian for the msot part.

You're obviously a delusional liar then, cause zaelath said he knows what you really think and you should be to the right.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 11:22 am

I would be more right if they would ask me if I was a bitter gun owner clinging to my religion

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 29, 2009, 11:30 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I would be more right if they would ask me if I was a bitter gun owner clinging to my religion

Typical white person!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 29, 2009, 11:34 am

Guns are stupid. So is religion.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 11:49 am

So are you.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 29, 2009, 11:52 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:So are you.

At least I don't worship guns and a book of fairy tales with a bunch of fictional characters in it.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 12:04 pm

giving up your right to defend yourself does not make you smarter, but it does make you lower on the food chain

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 29, 2009, 12:15 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:giving up your right to defend yourself does not make you smarter, but it does make you lower on the food chain

I'm not trying to insinuate that I'm a badass, 'cause I'm not. However, I don't need a gun to defend myself. You don't either.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 29, 2009, 12:31 pm

that is your opinion. You are entitled to not carry and I am entitled to not have you oppress my right to carry. I have never advocated forcing you to own or carry a firearm...so why are you all hell bent on removing my rights that are expressly written into our constitution?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 29, 2009, 12:35 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:that is your opinion. You are entitled to not carry and I am entitled to not have you oppress my right to carry. I have never advocated forcing you to own or carry a firearm...so why are you all hell bent on removing my rights that are expressly written into our constitution?

I'm not. The Second Amendment to the Constitution will never be overturned. You can cling to your guns if you want to, but it's unnecessary.