It's SNOWING!!!!
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It's SNOWING!!!!
I live near Rancho Cucamonga in So Cal and it is snowing. This only happens about 1 time every 5-7 years. Wind is blowing about 30-40 mph and the snow is actually sticking a bit.
Weird, but cool.
Weird, but cool.
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We sent you some from Oregon - Enjoy! =D
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Vegas got lots of snow past few days. That's rare too. Was sent some pics from there.
Never snows down in Phoenix though. Not in last 10-15 years or more.
Never snows down in Phoenix though. Not in last 10-15 years or more.
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We're expecting about 10" of snow overnight and through tomorrow. I'll mail you some if you want.
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Two storms coming my way, can't wait! Now cue someone using snow in California as proof that global warming is a hoax.
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Well, if there's a storm heading for Bubba in Wisconsin, and one heading for Dregor in Toronto, I wonder what that means for me in Michigan? 
We're told to expect up to a foot tomorrow. I hope someone bought me a snowblower for Christmas.

We're told to expect up to a foot tomorrow. I hope someone bought me a snowblower for Christmas.
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We're expected to get about a foot tomorrow, and maybe another big storm on Sunday... this is after I JUST got my power back on last night after it being out for 6 days due to the ice storm that came through on the 11th.
This is starting out to be one hell of a winter.
This is starting out to be one hell of a winter.
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What do you do to prevent your pipes from freezing when your power is out for 6 days?
I just bought a house that I had to repair some broken pipes in, so I'd like to try and avoid it happening again if our power goes out.
I just bought a house that I had to repair some broken pipes in, so I'd like to try and avoid it happening again if our power goes out.
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Leave your water running at at least a fast drip on all of your faucets. If the pipes are outside and exposed, insulate them as well.
It is snowing here as well! There is a new cold front coming down from Seattle as well...temps should drop to 20s or teens, yay!
It is snowing here as well! There is a new cold front coming down from Seattle as well...temps should drop to 20s or teens, yay!

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Actually Canelek I'm on a well so that doesn't work, in addition I have forced hot water heat - so doing that "trickle" trick wouldn't do anything for the pipes. However the "trickle" trick will help if you are on city water.Sylvus wrote:What do you do to prevent your pipes from freezing when your power is out for 6 days?
I just bought a house that I had to repair some broken pipes in, so I'd like to try and avoid it happening again if our power goes out.
I was lucky and my father in law had a very small portable 2500 Watt generator. It wasn't strong enough to run my well pump (240 instead of 110) so I had no running water, but it was strong enough to run my furnace, and run the chest freezer so I didn't lose any food (aside from what was in the refrigerator).
However Slyvus - you "generally" do not have to worry about pipes freezing for days and days. I didn't even hook up the generator until day 3, when the temperature in my house finally got down to the mid 30's. It's only in extreme circumstances in which a well insulated house will have pipes freeze (i.e. house is vacant for a week or more in the dead of winter, or it's poorly insulated such as the underneath of a trailer home, or 100+ year old buildings in which the water systems were installed after the house was originally built).
Now of course there is exceptions to this, if it extreme temperatures (well below zero for sustained periods), but in my case it was 10 degrees outside, and it didn't even get into the 30's in my house until day 3 (and it has to get below freezing, and stay there for a significant amount of time before a pipe will actually burst from the freezing). When I bought my house, it was a foreclosure, and had busted pipes as well, however that's because it sat vacant, with the power turned off all winter long.
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I just imagined Slyvus - Matt's sneaky, canny but basically no-good twin brother. Oh wai...Canoe wrote:Actually Canelek I'm on a well so that doesn't work, in addition I have forced hot water heat - so doing that "trickle" trick wouldn't do anything for the pipes. However the "trickle" trick will help if you are on city water.Sylvus wrote:What do you do to prevent your pipes from freezing when your power is out for 6 days?
I just bought a house that I had to repair some broken pipes in, so I'd like to try and avoid it happening again if our power goes out.
I was lucky and my father in law had a very small portable 2500 Watt generator. It wasn't strong enough to run my well pump (240 instead of 110) so I had no running water, but it was strong enough to run my furnace, and run the chest freezer so I didn't lose any food (aside from what was in the refrigerator).
However Slyvus - you "generally" do not have to worry about pipes freezing for days and days. I didn't even hook up the generator until day 3, when the temperature in my house finally got down to the mid 30's. It's only in extreme circumstances in which a well insulated house will have pipes freeze (i.e. house is vacant for a week or more in the dead of winter, or it's poorly insulated such as the underneath of a trailer home, or 100+ year old buildings in which the water systems were installed after the house was originally built).
Now of course there is exceptions to this, if it extreme temperatures (well below zero for sustained periods), but in my case it was 10 degrees outside, and it didn't even get into the 30's in my house until day 3 (and it has to get below freezing, and stay there for a significant amount of time before a pipe will actually burst from the freezing). When I bought my house, it was a foreclosure, and had busted pipes as well, however that's because it sat vacant, with the power turned off all winter long.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with avoiding busted pipes when the water isn't being used because of the house being temporarily vacant but friends I had would turn off the water main and leave the water on to empty the pipes in their cabin in ski resorts when they weren't being used. I don't why or what for, just that they did!
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If you remove the water from the pipes, you remove the source of the pipes bursting.
Pipes burst because the water inside them freezes. When water freezes it expands. Pipes don't expand, so pop.
Pipes burst because the water inside them freezes. When water freezes it expands. Pipes don't expand, so pop.
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Agreed.Truant wrote:If you remove the water from the pipes, you remove the source of the pipes bursting.
Pipes burst because the water inside them freezes. When water freezes it expands. Pipes don't expand, so pop.
But in my case with forced hot water heat, it's a little more complicated than just turning on the faucet

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So I went out and cleared the driveway this morning about 6:15 ish and finished about 20-30 min later in time to get the kids ready for school. There was a good 2-3 inches at that time and the streets have not yet been cleared. By the time we got back outside at 7:00 am the driveway was covered again. It's still flying pretty well now at 8am.
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I'm 30 minutes south of Bubba, and it's even a little worse down here. Apparently Milwaukee is getting up to 12 inches today, haha. So far we've had 26 inches of snow in the Green Bay area this "winter" season. And it's not even winter until Sunday.
This storm is the big one coming across the US out of the West Coast. Our next one is coming out of the North from Minnesota, due Saturday night into Sunday morning. Another 5 inches or more.
This storm is the big one coming across the US out of the West Coast. Our next one is coming out of the North from Minnesota, due Saturday night into Sunday morning. Another 5 inches or more.
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There was at least 4 inches of snow on my driveway when I left for work, and my drive took me twice as long as usual.
I got in to this email from my boss:
I got in to this email from my boss:
What time does that mean I can leave? Lunch?I'm taking a snow day today. If you're already in, try to get out of there as early as you can.
I'll keep an eye on email, and will still be available via cell phone if needed.
Drive safe and have a good weekend.
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Well, if you can leave now, I would say that is "as early as you can" 

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If you can work from home I'd take full advantage of it. I think the weather man is on crack here. On the radio he said that we got 1.5 inches. I think it dropped 1.5 inches in the last 20 minutes. At times it is a complete white out up here. I am hearing about all kinds of accidents. A truck jack-knifed and took out a half dozen cars on the highway south of here but north of Fenna.
We are going to be getting IP Phones for our homes where we could work from home and have quality phone service as opposed to using our soft phones. I used to hate working from home but then I realized that I can sit and play WoW between calls. Works for me.
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I know we're at opposite extremes, but i wish we could get some of your snow down here 

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It's pretty crazy here in Battle Creek, MI. I don't even leave for work until 2ish this afternoon. It should be an interesting drive to work!
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I'm with Truant. Can I get some of your snow please?
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I've got quite a bit you can have. It's sitting on my driveway and sidewalk and accumulating more as we speak. Feel free to bring a shovel and take all of it with you. 

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It has stopped snowing here atm. However the wind has picked up and the drifting has begun. Yay.
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Could you ship it instead, you lazy bastard?Sylvus wrote:I've got quite a bit you can have. It's sitting on my driveway and sidewalk and accumulating more as we speak. Feel free to bring a shovel and take all of it with you.
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It *almost* came down to the level of my house, but no quiet ( live on Mt. Baldy rd. & Padua) in Claremont. It's friggin cold up here, too. Just a short jaunt down the road to Vons on Baseline Ave, and the temp comes up 5 deg.
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We got some snow one night last week here in Houston. I havent seen that much snow here since some winter in the early 1980's when I was in elementary school. Before that it was 1972-73, right after I was born. We see flurries every now and then, but nothing that sticks.
It covered our front yard to the point where you really couldn't see any grass, I dunno about an inch thick, I guess. We don't have any big trees in out front yard, so we got a nice solid coat. It was completely gone by the next morning.
Anyway it was surreal. We had a great snowball fight and the dogs went crazy
It covered our front yard to the point where you really couldn't see any grass, I dunno about an inch thick, I guess. We don't have any big trees in out front yard, so we got a nice solid coat. It was completely gone by the next morning.
Anyway it was surreal. We had a great snowball fight and the dogs went crazy

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We finially got some here altho not much in the city, but the stupid fucking garbage men didnt pick up on friday morn, so i called them at 4pm asking wtf?.. I get a recorded message that said " we are sorry but we wont be picking up ANY garbage today so next week on Saturday will will NOT charge you for 2x the garbage", etc.
Yay, the mail lady will be pissed cause i aint draggin that shit back up to the house (it kinda blocks the box)
Snow MORE DAmnit!
Yay, the mail lady will be pissed cause i aint draggin that shit back up to the house (it kinda blocks the box)
Snow MORE DAmnit!
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We have about a foot accumulated at our house now (SW of Portland Oregon) - which is surreal!~ On top of the TEN INCHES we got yesterday, we got about an inch of freezing rain, now it's snowing again on top of that. Nuts
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oh i will show you ten inches!
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It snowed overnight Saturday into Sunday. A good 5" or so. The drifting made clearing the driveway a bit tough and it was really cold out. We now have 5' snowbanks on either side of the driveway now. Today is nice and sunny out but very cold with wind chills around 40 below 0.
Tomorrow we are supposed to get 3-5" and followed up by another 3-5" on Wednesday. Christmas should be nice a clear for traveling. Then snow hits again for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. HO HO HO
Tomorrow we are supposed to get 3-5" and followed up by another 3-5" on Wednesday. Christmas should be nice a clear for traveling. Then snow hits again for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. HO HO HO
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We got about 5 inches on Friday at my house, a little more at my girlfriends.. 2 more on Sunday.
Funny thing... I had just bought a shovel on Thursday night (bought a house in late october). I shoveled her sidewalk and a place for her to park when she got home from work, and when we left her house, I forgot my shovel there. On the way to my house we stopped at both KMart and WalMart and they were sold out of shovels. Borrowed a shovel from my neighbor to do the bare minimum at my house, and I keep forgetting to grab my shovel from her place.
Funny thing... I had just bought a shovel on Thursday night (bought a house in late october). I shoveled her sidewalk and a place for her to park when she got home from work, and when we left her house, I forgot my shovel there. On the way to my house we stopped at both KMart and WalMart and they were sold out of shovels. Borrowed a shovel from my neighbor to do the bare minimum at my house, and I keep forgetting to grab my shovel from her place.
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Isn't that the Eskimo equivalent of leaving a toothbrush at her place?
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i think you can get in a lot of trouble for exposing yourself 3 times.Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:oh i will show you ten inches!
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only if you are a michigan football player
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Over a foot of snow on the ground now, but my stairs had about 3 due to drifts. Chains required everywhere. It is bizarre---people skiing and sledding and shit.
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It's almost 80 degrees (F) today, tomorrow it's supposed to be 30.
For the last 2 weeks or so, we've been off and on freezing temperatures, and almost hot. It's annoying as piss, and causing a lot of my workers to have sinus/illness problems.
For the last 2 weeks or so, we've been off and on freezing temperatures, and almost hot. It's annoying as piss, and causing a lot of my workers to have sinus/illness problems.
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This is going to be an interesting commute home this evening. We have almost an inch so far this morning, but it does not seem to be letting up... forecast calls for freezing rain later...woot ><
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Wheeee I'm going to my friend's cabin at Boyne Highlands on the 13th.
SNOW MOAR PLZ!

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I just went to Boyne Mountain on Saturday, lots of snow up north right now, the skiing is as good as it gets in Michigan. Have fun.
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Awesome. It had been 40 degrees a couple days before we went last year, so conditions were icy. I can't wait to get on the cedar bowl.
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Snowboard instead!!


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A pipe burst in our kitchen last Sunday (as I was coming back from my bachelor party, we went snowboarding a few hours away). The line is the one for a Refrigerator ice maker (we don't have one) and I'm still not even sure why the faucet top (it's copper) burst off, the handle for the faucet just shot off, so I'm guessing some kind of ice in the line somewhere. The weekend it happened, we had some crazy temperatures for our area, was -9 or something stupid. We had an inch of water in the kitchen, middle floor living room and in the basement. I've had some people come out with the industrial size air blowers and dehumidifiers, bought a copper cap and used some teflon (?) tape to replace where the faucet was behind the fridge. Apparently it happened to a lot of people in the area, State Farm just now got in touch with me. Good thing this all happened 3 days before I left for Puerto Rico for our wedding, pretty neat present. Guess I'll find out when I get home what I could have done to prevent this, if I could have. We've been in the house for 2 winters already and never had problems.
Oh and our igniter for our furnace (gas) went out the same day, we're not sure if it's water damage that caused it (water had dripped into the area there) or the igniter going out causing the drop in temp and pipe bursting. However, from what somebody was saying earlier, it shouldn't have happened that quick, even with no heat for a day (I didn't know you to manually light the furnace and wasn't messing around with gas) the house didn't get below 58F.
Maybe it's all a sign that I shouldn't be getting married!
Oh and our igniter for our furnace (gas) went out the same day, we're not sure if it's water damage that caused it (water had dripped into the area there) or the igniter going out causing the drop in temp and pipe bursting. However, from what somebody was saying earlier, it shouldn't have happened that quick, even with no heat for a day (I didn't know you to manually light the furnace and wasn't messing around with gas) the house didn't get below 58F.
Maybe it's all a sign that I shouldn't be getting married!
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The only thing I've ever done in snow is walk and stand.Leonaerd wrote:Snowboard instead!!
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You've never pissed in a snowbank??Spang wrote:The only thing I've ever done in snow is walk and stand.Leonaerd wrote:Snowboard instead!!
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