Is there any stance John McCain won't flip-flop on to win?

[Xyun]

John McCain has flip-flopped on

Bush Tax Cuts
Roe v. Wade
Agents of intolerance
Deregulation (26 years of policy undone in 3 days?)
Immigration (he wouldn't vote for his own immigration bill!)
Even TORTURE! his signature issue.

He has sold out everything he has ever stood for, so is there really anything that he won't say to win the public's affection and win this election?

[Soreali]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!


*Removes soap box*

[Aardor]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!


*Removes soap box*

Thanks for your informative response.

[Soreali]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!


*Removes soap box*

Thanks for your informative response.

About as informative as yours, isn't it?

[Aardor]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!


*Removes soap box*

Thanks for your informative response.

About as informative as yours, isn't it?

Thanks for your informative response.

[Soreali]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!


*Removes soap box*

Thanks for your informative response.

About as informative as yours, isn't it?

Thanks for your informative response.

[Forthe]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!

*Removes soap box*

McCain flipping on de-regulation doesn't pass the laugh test and is a fair point to discuss. Is he abandoning his de-regulation position or is McCain trying to sell voters a bill of goods? He is sounding more like a dem this week than a repub.

[Soreali]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!

*Removes soap box*

McCain flipping on de-regulation doesn't pass the laugh test and is a fair point to discuss. Is he abandoning his de-regulation position or is McCain trying to sell voters a bill of goods? He is sounding more like a dem this week than a repub.

I agree with you. But we're acting like this is the first time a politician has changed his stance on something to appease voters? You know what? Both Obama and McCain are lying through their fucking teeth. Thats how politics works. Granted I'm still voting for McCain I'll be more than happy to admit the fact that the guys a total bullshit artist. But hey, most politicians are. So what else is new?


Hows that Aardor?

[Aardor]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!

*Removes soap box*

McCain flipping on de-regulation doesn't pass the laugh test and is a fair point to discuss. Is he abandoning his de-regulation position or is McCain trying to sell voters a bill of goods? He is sounding more like a dem this week than a repub.

I agree with you. But we're acting like this is the first time a politician has changed his stance on something to appease voters? You know what? Both Obama and McCain are lying through their fucking teeth. Thats how politics works. Granted I'm still voting for McCain I'll be more than happy to admit the fact that the guys a total bullshit artist. But hey, most politicians are. So what else is new?


Hows that Aardor?

I like that a great deal better. I totally agree that politicians are liars, but I feel it is forced upon any political candidate due to our system. Did anyone happen to catch Tony Blair on The Daily Show last night? I think some of the things he said regarding the American political system were spot on. What I can remember was something like: "Well, our campaign process for Prime Minister takes 4 weeks. Yours takes 4 years?" With every vote/speech a candidate has ever done being readily available to the population, it is almost impossible for a candidate to legitimately change their views on an issue.

Also, I think that since flip flopping was one of the primary attacked used against Kerry in the last election, it is only natural for Democrats to point it out any time McCain does it, especially with the whole "Original Maverick" thing.

[Funkmasterr]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!

*Removes soap box*

McCain flipping on de-regulation doesn't pass the laugh test and is a fair point to discuss. Is he abandoning his de-regulation position or is McCain trying to sell voters a bill of goods? He is sounding more like a dem this week than a repub.

I agree with you. But we're acting like this is the first time a politician has changed his stance on something to appease voters? You know what? Both Obama and McCain are lying through their fucking teeth. Thats how politics works. Granted I'm still voting for McCain I'll be more than happy to admit the fact that the guys a total bullshit artist. But hey, most politicians are. So what else is new?


Hows that Aardor?

I like that a great deal better. I totally agree that politicians are liars, but I feel it is forced upon any political candidate due to our system. Did anyone happen to catch Tony Blair on The Daily Show last night? I think some of the things he said regarding the American political system were spot on. What I can remember was something like: "Well, our campaign process for Prime Minister takes 4 weeks. Yours takes 4 years?" With every vote/speech a candidate has ever done being readily available to the population, it is almost impossible for a candidate to legitimately change their views on an issue.

Also, I think that since flip flopping was one of the primary attacked used against Kerry in the last election, it is only natural for Democrats to point it out any time McCain does it, especially with the whole "Original Maverick" thing.

Thing is, Kerry was the king of flip flopping. People that are considering flip flopping on something they believe in only hope to be 1/10th the flip flopper he was when he was 2 weeks old.

That guy changed his mind hourly, fuck daily or weekly or even yearly.

[Animale]

Jesus christ you're worse than the fucking commercials on a television!

*Removes soap box*

McCain flipping on de-regulation doesn't pass the laugh test and is a fair point to discuss. Is he abandoning his de-regulation position or is McCain trying to sell voters a bill of goods? He is sounding more like a dem this week than a repub.

I agree with you. But we're acting like this is the first time a politician has changed his stance on something to appease voters? You know what? Both Obama and McCain are lying through their fucking teeth. Thats how politics works. Granted I'm still voting for McCain I'll be more than happy to admit the fact that the guys a total bullshit artist. But hey, most politicians are. So what else is new?


Hows that Aardor?

I like that a great deal better. I totally agree that politicians are liars, but I feel it is forced upon any political candidate due to our system. Did anyone happen to catch Tony Blair on The Daily Show last night? I think some of the things he said regarding the American political system were spot on. What I can remember was something like: "Well, our campaign process for Prime Minister takes 4 weeks. Yours takes 4 years?" With every vote/speech a candidate has ever done being readily available to the population, it is almost impossible for a candidate to legitimately change their views on an issue.

Also, I think that since flip flopping was one of the primary attacked used against Kerry in the last election, it is only natural for Democrats to point it out any time McCain does it, especially with the whole "Original Maverick" thing.

Thing is, Kerry was the king of flip flopping. People that are considering flip flopping on something they believe in only hope to be 1/10th the flip flopper he was when he was 2 weeks old.

That guy changed his mind hourly, fuck daily or weekly or even yearly.

Kerry has twice the balls you do you cowardly child. Google "last man to die for a mistake" you nitwit.

Maybe later in life he became more measured and careful, but calling Kerry weak minded as you are implying... ugh.

Animale

[masteen]

He won't flip-flop on them Gooks! Dirty little slanty-eyed bastards! YA CAN'T TRUST 'EM, SAYS I!!!

[Xyun]

I'm still voting for McCain

Thank you for voting. It is imperative that you support the things you believe in, even if they happen to result in one catastrophe after another.

[Kaldaur]

Lolol....

[Gzette]

He will never flip-flop on his pro-flip-flopping stance.

[Funkmasterr]

Kerry has twice the balls you do you cowardly child. Google "last man to die for a mistake" you nitwit.

Maybe later in life he became more measured and careful, but calling Kerry weak minded as you are implying... ugh.

Animale

So I just read what you mentioned.. And it had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, which is all I am interested in.

He's a fucking coward. He's no war hero.. And reading an article about him pointing out the bad things that happened in Vietnam and the far reaching ripple of effects afterward changes that how?

And for clarity.. I said nothing about him being weak minded. I simply pointed out that he changed his mind more frequently on more issues than anyone I have ever heard speak publicly. I won't even get into his complete inability to debate, which he covered up by constantly telling people to read his website, instead.

[Animale]

Kerry has twice the balls you do you cowardly child. Google "last man to die for a mistake" you nitwit.

Maybe later in life he became more measured and careful, but calling Kerry weak minded as you are implying... ugh.

Animale

So I just read what you mentioned.. And it had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, which is all I am interested in.

He's a fucking coward. He's no war hero.. And reading an article about him pointing out the bad things that happened in Vietnam and the far reaching ripple of effects afterward changes that how?

And for clarity.. I said nothing about him being weak minded. I simply pointed out that he changed his mind more frequently on more issues than anyone I have ever heard speak publicly. I won't even get into his complete inability to debate, which he covered up by constantly telling people to read his website, instead.

Wait wait wait... serving on a Swiftboat in Vietnam is being a coward now? It's really great to know that spitting on somebody in a parking lot is the highlight of manliness, while leading a tin can up a river with people shooting at you with RPG's is the mark of a coward.

You really have no idea, do you. The monstrous step of going in front of Congress to testify and try to end the war means he's a coward? Hmm... sound pretty brave and heroic to me. Many things Kerry is, but a coward is not something you can pin on him (especially in his youth). When he was running for President he was quite a bit too timid, but that does not make him cowardly. Man you are a tool.

Animale

[Funkmasterr]

Kerry has twice the balls you do you cowardly child. Google "last man to die for a mistake" you nitwit.

Maybe later in life he became more measured and careful, but calling Kerry weak minded as you are implying... ugh.

Animale

So I just read what you mentioned.. And it had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, which is all I am interested in.

He's a fucking coward. He's no war hero.. And reading an article about him pointing out the bad things that happened in Vietnam and the far reaching ripple of effects afterward changes that how?

And for clarity.. I said nothing about him being weak minded. I simply pointed out that he changed his mind more frequently on more issues than anyone I have ever heard speak publicly. I won't even get into his complete inability to debate, which he covered up by constantly telling people to read his website, instead.

Wait wait wait... serving on a Swiftboat in Vietnam is being a coward now? It's really great to know that spitting on somebody in a parking lot is the highlight of manliness, while leading a tin can up a river with people shooting at you with RPG's is the mark of a coward.

You really have no idea, do you. The monstrous step of going in front of Congress to testify and try to end the war means he's a coward? Hmm... sound pretty brave and heroic to me. Many things Kerry is, but a coward is not something you can pin on him (especially in his youth). When he was running for President he was quite a bit too timid, but that does not make him cowardly. Man you are a tool.

Animale

He tried to lie about the danger he was in to make himself look better, that is UNACCEPTABLE COMING FROM A SOLIDER of this country. It's unforgivable, and it makes every_single_word that comes out of his mouth after that mean JACK SHIT. end of subject.


EDIT: lol at the millionth time someone made a smart ass comment about the spitting thing. If you think that's the highlight of "manliness" in my eyes, you have another thing coming.

[Nick]

Don't get stressed Ani, Funk's just one of those chaps who doesn't know how to have his own opinion so he does a sort of daily 5 minute tv scan for them and then tries to pass it off here as reasoned debate.

[Funkmasterr]

Don't get stressed Ani, he's just one of those chaps who doesn't know how to have his own opinion so he does a sort of daily 5 minute tv scan for them and then tries to pass it off here as reasoned debate.

TV scan? People that served with the fucking liar in Vietnam testified publicly that he fucking lied, what else do you want?

My father was in the Marines Recon in Vietnam. He had a medal pinned on his chest by President Nixon for saving a downed helicopter pilot while under enemy fire. He has the medal and the friends from the service to vouch for and prove it, not to mention the Christmas cards and letters that the guy he saved has sent him every year since then. That, is a hero. Not someone that lied about the danger they were in to try and make themselves look better in some way.

[Xatrei]

The testimony by members of the ironically named "Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth" is hardly anything to take stock in. Rigorous investigations into the veracity of their claims showed countless inconsistencies in their portrayal of Kerry's conduct. Their version of events has been contradicted by many other military personnel that were present, as well as the official government records regarding the events in question. One of the swift boaters even admitted after the fact that, contrary to his own sworn affidavit, he had no first-hand knowledge of the events. You've proven time and time again that you're willing to believe any bullshit that happens to line up with your own goof-ball worldview, so your gullibility in this case is no great surprise, but it does shine a bright light on your idiocy yet again.

[Zaelath]

Don't get stressed Ani, he's just one of those chaps who doesn't know how to have his own opinion so he does a sort of daily 5 minute tv scan for them and then tries to pass it off here as reasoned debate.

TV scan? People that served with the fucking liar in Vietnam testified publicly that he fucking lied, what else do you want?

My father was in the Marines Recon in Vietnam. He had a medal pinned on his chest by President Nixon for saving a downed helicopter pilot while under enemy fire. He has the medal and the friends from the service to vouch for and prove it, not to mention the Christmas cards and letters that the guy he saved has sent him every year since then. That, is a hero. Not someone that lied about the danger they were in to try and make themselves look better in some way.

If you were running for president jackass, I think I could find a dozen Veeshan Vetrans for Truth that would testify you fucked a donkey while praising Allah. Doesn't necessarily make it so.

[Funkmasterr]

Don't get stressed Ani, he's just one of those chaps who doesn't know how to have his own opinion so he does a sort of daily 5 minute tv scan for them and then tries to pass it off here as reasoned debate.

TV scan? People that served with the fucking liar in Vietnam testified publicly that he fucking lied, what else do you want?

My father was in the Marines Recon in Vietnam. He had a medal pinned on his chest by President Nixon for saving a downed helicopter pilot while under enemy fire. He has the medal and the friends from the service to vouch for and prove it, not to mention the Christmas cards and letters that the guy he saved has sent him every year since then. That, is a hero. Not someone that lied about the danger they were in to try and make themselves look better in some way.

If you were running for president jackass, I think I could find a dozen Veeshan Vetrans for Truth that would testify you fucked a donkey while praising Allah. Doesn't necessarily make it so.

Right, and doesn't necessarily make it not so either, and in this situation, I'm going to side on it being true every time, just to be safe.

See anyone making the kind of disputes about McCain that people made about the ketchup guy? No, you don't. Because he truly was a war hero, and most people have respect for that.

[Nick]

So because you simply arbitrarily choose a side, anyone else is meant to take that seriously?

[Sylvus]

If you were running for president jackass, I think I could find a dozen Veeshan Vetrans for Truth that would testify you fucked a donkey while praising Allah. Doesn't necessarily make it so.

Right, and doesn't necessarily make it not so either, and in this situation, I'm going to side on it being true every time, just to be safe.

Um... so you're saying it is true?

[Zaelath]

Well, at least, it's safe to assume that it's true ^^

[Gzette]

Sounds like the mindset of the "Obama OMG Muslim" folks.

"He aint white and Hussein is his middle name, sooooo just to be safe, he must be Al'Qaeda."

Just like the war in Iraqers

Just like the whole bush admin.

I mean seriously, check where the info comes from before you make up your mind. Swift Vote Veterans for truth was fully funded by Republicans looking to slander Kerry. It was one of the more shameful moments in politics, just like Bush's hose job on McCain in 2000.

McCain didn't like that for sure, but it appears he flip-flopped on that as well!

[Kaldaur]

McCain's best flip-flop to date:
9am- "The fundamentals of our economy are strong!"
11am-"We are facing the worst crisis since World War 2."
3pm-"I am donning my McSuper Cape and Mask to defend Washington. If I don't, credit will fail. The economy will collapse unless I can git to Wash'ton."

Poor John. I sort of feel bad for the old codger now, and how off base his advisers have turned him. Does anyone expect this ploy to work? Here's some meat for you to chew on. On Fox News website, 18% of poll respondents thought he was doing this to save the country. 82% thought it was a political ploy. Now, I know what you'll say, that liburools spammed the website to skew the results. Still, his attempt to be the action hero that saves the economy is hilarious, especially since it's just a gimmick to try and avoid the VP debates.