McCain will be the next U.S. President (IMO)

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 12, 2008, 11:36 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:found this pic of Sirton at the RNC

Obviously has a drinking problem.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 12, 2008, 1:11 pm

latest polls all post convention.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... index.html

national polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... a-225.html

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 12, 2008, 1:48 pm

Some more Sarah Palin

Good clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcdTH92aGLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubsUQKd9c7c

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 12, 2008, 2:20 pm

Nice interactive electoral map. Incase anyone cares.

http://www.270towin.com/

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 12, 2008, 3:31 pm

Sirton wrote:Nice interactive electoral map. Incase anyone cares.

http://www.270towin.com/

I care. The map is the most important thing of all. These ridiculous polls of x number of people covering the entire country are useless.
I would agree with that map except that I think FL will go to McCain and PA will go to Obama. Couldn't tell you about the rest of the swing states though.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 12, 2008, 3:42 pm

BBC Article: Why rednecks may rule the world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne ... 600592.stm

Good read, sums up why barring something earth shattering coming to light about Palin (possible) and\or McCain (unlikely) the election is basically over. Of course the dems would have to act on anything that came to light, which they've shown themselves to be nearly incapable of. The things that are out there about Palin, mainly some of her religious views are political suicide to attack her on.

The democrats continue to be their own worst enemy. There was actually a growing chance of me voting for Obama before he showed his true colors and picked Biden. Of course Hilary would have had much the same reaction from me.

The Palin pick was pure genius.

Oprah refusing to interview Palin was a big hit against Obama, turned what hadn't really been a racial campaign into one in the back of people's minds. Suddenly there's an "us and them" element that really wasn't there before, for people with all their teeth anyway.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 12, 2008, 4:46 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:Some more Sarah Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubsUQKd9c7c

That last one was fun, she'll invade your allies as well! Super.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 12, 2008, 5:09 pm

Aabidano wrote:Oprah refusing to interview Palin was a big hit against Obama, turned what hadn't really been a racial campaign into one in the back of people's minds. Suddenly there's an "us and them" element that really wasn't there before, for people with all their teeth anyway.

Really? People view that as racially motivated? I would think with Oprah's first major public support of a candidate being a Democrat, that Palin wouldn't appeal to her because she's a Republican (and a pretty right-wing one, at that).

What about Oprah's endorsement being worth a million votes?

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 13, 2008, 12:24 am

Keith Olberman regarding Sarah P

"IMPALIN"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_SWNmlbK2Q

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 13, 2008, 1:45 am

She wants to transform the lives of people impacted by homosexuality.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 13, 2008, 4:10 am

Aabidano wrote:BBC Article: Why rednecks may rule the world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne ... 600592.stm

Good read, sums up why barring something earth shattering coming to light about Palin (possible) and\or McCain (unlikely) the election is basically over. Of course the dems would have to act on anything that came to light, which they've shown themselves to be nearly incapable of. The things that are out there about Palin, mainly some of her religious views are political suicide to attack her on.

The democrats continue to be their own worst enemy. There was actually a growing chance of me voting for Obama before he showed his true colors and picked Biden. Of course Hilary would have had much the same reaction from me.

The Palin pick was pure genius.

Oprah refusing to interview Palin was a big hit against Obama, turned what hadn't really been a racial campaign into one in the back of people's minds. Suddenly there's an "us and them" element that really wasn't there before, for people with all their teeth anyway.

hhahaahahhahahahahahahaha

The Palin pick gave the election to Obama, you just can't see it yet.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 13, 2008, 4:43 am

A compilation of the blatant lies coming from the McCain campaign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Also on my blog.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 13, 2008, 4:01 pm

Xyun wrote:A compilation of the blatant lies coming from the McCain campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Your compilation actually reinforces the charges made by the McCain campaign. As an ex-US Marine I wasn't ever likely to vote for Obama. But he really sealed the deal when he refused to visit the Army hospital in Germany because he couldn't turn it into a photo op. His true colors shown through for the whole world to see and he was was pathetically ugly and selfish and completely shallow inside.

Lest you think I don't know the facts, think again. Obama and one or two aides would have been thoroughly welcomed in that hospital. Obama wanted to bring his pack of media lapdogs and they were rightly denied from turning the visit into a campaign circus.

Obama went shopping instead. (Probably for a new set of balls since he obviously has none.)

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 13, 2008, 4:19 pm

Metanis wrote:Your compilation actually reinforces the charges made by the McCain campaign. As an ex-US Marine I wasn't ever likely to vote for Obama. But he really sealed the deal when he refused to visit the Army hospital in Germany because he couldn't turn it into a photo op. His true colors shown through for the whole world to see and he was was pathetically ugly and selfish and completely shallow inside.

Lest you think I don't know the facts, think again. Obama and one or two aides would have been thoroughly welcomed in that hospital. Obama wanted to bring his pack of media lapdogs and they were rightly denied from turning the visit into a campaign circus.

Obama went shopping instead. (Probably for a new set of balls since he obviously has none.)

Not that this really needs to be said, but you're a giant fucking moron if you believe that. This nonsense that Obama didn't go visit troops at Landstuhl because it couldn't be used as a photo op has been discredited so many times. It's a flat out lie - not a distortion, a lie - spread by the McShame campaign to convince idiots like you that Obama hates the troops. The press were NEVER invited to come along, retard. It was never to be more than a few of his aids, including a former Air Force general. The pentagon refused to allow the General to go along, so Obama backed out for fear that the whole thing was becoming politicized. Again - NO PRESS WAS EVER INVITED TO GO ALONG. It's well documented, not that documentation matters to morons like yourself. I'd challenge you to take a minute to fucking research it because you might actually learn something, but I know that won't happen. Idiot. I say that as an ex-Army soldier.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 13, 2008, 4:22 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Metanis wrote:Your compilation actually reinforces the charges made by the McCain campaign. As an ex-US Marine I wasn't ever likely to vote for Obama. But he really sealed the deal when he refused to visit the Army hospital in Germany because he couldn't turn it into a photo op. His true colors shown through for the whole world to see and he was was pathetically ugly and selfish and completely shallow inside.

Lest you think I don't know the facts, think again. Obama and one or two aides would have been thoroughly welcomed in that hospital. Obama wanted to bring his pack of media lapdogs and they were rightly denied from turning the visit into a campaign circus.

Obama went shopping instead. (Probably for a new set of balls since he obviously has none.)
Not that this really needs to be said, but you're a giant fucking moron if you believe that. This nonsense that Obama didn't go visit troops at Landstuhl because it couldn't be used as a photo op has been discredited so many times. It's a flat out lie - not a distortion, a lie - spread by the McShame campaign to convince idiots like you that Obama hates the troops. Fucking take a minute to research it, you might learn something. I say that as an ex-Army soldier.

Prove it big man.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 13, 2008, 4:26 pm

You got your response in as I was editing my post to provide a little more info in anticipation of exactly such a response.

Read what I added, and then go look for Andrea Mitchell's description of events. As a member of the press group that was traveling with Obama during the trip, she had a first hand view of what was going on. She's been emphatic that at no time were any members of the press to go along with Obama.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 13, 2008, 4:41 pm

Day 2 with Sarah P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15kyPbNudSw

Nice view on abortion!

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 13, 2008, 6:45 pm

Here's a shortcut for you: Andrea Mitchell describing the situation as it happened

Oh, before you try to say otherwise, Mitchell is widely respected as an accurate and impartial reporter. She's certainly not protecting "her guy" as part of the "librul medeeah." Her description of the events in question have been corroborated by other members of the press on that trip.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 13, 2008, 7:14 pm

Jesus fuck, that woman is as sharp as a box of rocks.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 13, 2008, 7:18 pm

Yes, one of the most respected television news journalists in the country is a dolt. She may stumble over a few words in that segment, but the underlying point she makes is not invalidated by it.

If someone willfully chooses to believe documented lies, that's their choice, but it does pretty much invalidate any opinions that person might have on the subject. They can just go back to burying their head up an GOP's ass, just like they want everyone to. Just to be clear, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, I'm just venting my frustrations at the number of simpletons in the world that swallow anything the right-wing spits out without even pausing to evaluate whether it's true or not.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 13, 2008, 7:43 pm

Woopie to McCain

"Should i be worried about being a Slave again?"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1221242505

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » September 13, 2008, 8:56 pm

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » September 14, 2008, 6:17 pm

How fucked up and sleazy does a political campaign have to be to make Karl Rove say things have been too dishonest?

John McCain would know.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 14, 2008, 11:10 pm

The same day that one of McCain's economic advisors is out there writing an OP ed titled Quit Doling Out That Bad-Economy Line, Wall Street is in full panic mode.

You also have McCain's economic hero Greenspan out there disavowing McCain's planned tax cuts.

I have no idea how this thing is even close. I swear you USAdians will be arguing about guns, gays and abortion while you are in the bread lines.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 14, 2008, 11:45 pm

Forthe wrote:The same day that one of McCain's economic advisors is out there writing an OP ed titled Quit Doling Out That Bad-Economy Line, Wall Street is in full panic mode.

You also have McCain's economic hero Greenspan out there disavowing McCain's planned tax cuts.

I have no idea how this thing is even close. I swear you USAdians will be arguing about guns, gays and abortion while you are in the bread lines.

I'm happy to tell you it's not close at all. The closeness of the race that you see is an illusion based on manipulations by the press and the Republicans. Obama's ground game is massive, above and beyond anything either party has seen in history, and it is being completely ignored.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » September 14, 2008, 11:56 pm

Xyun,

Don't take this the wrong way, but how the hell could you possibly know that? How could you also know what the grass root Republican trends are? I know you are excited, but until November 4th, all we are going to know is that the media sucks and the polls are fairly unreliable. I still hope for an Obama win, but I guess I am not drinking the from the Obama punch bowl as much as others are.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 14, 2008, 11:57 pm

Xyun wrote:... Obama's ground game is massive, above and beyond anything either party has seen in history, and it is being completely ignored.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » September 14, 2008, 11:58 pm

Thanks a lot, now I can't eat my dinner.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 15, 2008, 8:29 am

Obama getting elected might set the tone, reality says the people behind he scenes (Biden, Pelosi, etc..) will be calling the shots. He's a puppet to draw in the young and disaffected. Which means you aren't going to see much change, if any. Unfortunately.

So pick your cup of poison, but please don't think there's going to be a major shift in the short term regardless of the outcome of this election. The long term consequences of either side could be pretty scary too. Bringing in another republican administration is a shitty idea, but it's still better than the alternative.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 15, 2008, 9:49 am

No it's not.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 15, 2008, 2:47 pm

As an Undecided, the recent commerical about McCain's top advisors all being lobbyists had a pretty strong effect on my view of him. This has me leaning more towards the Demo side of things at this time.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 15, 2008, 2:56 pm

:\

may the best commercial win, i guess?

Animale · Post by **Animale** » September 15, 2008, 3:07 pm

Aabidano wrote:Obama getting elected might set the tone, reality says the people behind he scenes (Biden, Pelosi, etc..) will be calling the shots. He's a puppet to draw in the young and disaffected. Which means you aren't going to see much change, if any. Unfortunately.

Ok, time for some reality here. To know where this is coming from, my younger brother worked as a House Member's staff in Washington D.C. for 4 years before going back to Law School (which he just finished), and now he is working for the Obama campaign in Pennsylvania as an assistant director of voter protection. So, he's seen how things work in Washington, as well as has a legal background and the connections that going to a top-5 law school provides, and is now an "insider" in a way. What he says about Obama and his people are that they are the "next generation" of Democratic policy wonks - and this was a big reason Hillary didn't make it onto the ticket (her people were the "old guard" of Democratic policy wonks and it was deemed too difficult to merge the operations and policies of the two groups without ceding control back to the old guard). So saying that Obama is a puppet of the old guard is patently untrue, and Biden was brought on board with the understanding that his people would be ceding control to Obama's... which Hillary's people were unwilling or unable to do.

Now, does the next generation of Democratic Policy wonks mean that there will be big changes? Well, that's for each of us to decide. But Obama's people are not universally the same people who have been in charge of the Democratic party since the Clinton years, and represent a sea change in the Democratic party.

Animale

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » September 15, 2008, 3:16 pm

cadalano wrote::\

may the best commercial win, i guess?

Best commercial based on facts and the issues? I can only hope.

Best commercial based on smear tactics and lies? I hope not. It didn't work for Hillary.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 15, 2008, 3:22 pm

i suppose i'd rather see people making decisions based on their own research. it was a bit of a needless dig, though.. not everyone has the time, and people make their own idea of what an informed vote is

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 15, 2008, 3:49 pm

McCain is out there today blaming lax regulators. He must have forgotten he is a de-regulation cheerleader.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 15, 2008, 6:52 pm

Whenever people start posting campaign ads, I am reminded of this great Mr. Show sketch.

"Hey, Obama, if you're great, I'm really great!"

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 15, 2008, 10:44 pm

holy shit megan mccain is _hot_

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 16, 2008, 8:55 pm

If Larry King doesn't interview one of Obama's kids, I will be boycotting his show.

Tristinn · Post by **Tristinn** » September 17, 2008, 12:15 pm

*~*stragi*~* wrote:holy shit megan mccain is _hot_

If you are into that sort of thing...

That skank is dumb as a mule and twice as ugly.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 17, 2008, 2:21 pm

Tristinn wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:holy shit megan mccain is _hot_
If you are into that sort of thing...

That skank is dumb as a mule and twice as ugly.

someone's jealous

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 17, 2008, 9:22 pm

Xatrei wrote:Yes, one of the most respected television news journalists in the country is a dolt. She may stumble over a few words in that segment, but the underlying point she makes is not invalidated by it.

If someone willfully chooses to believe documented lies, that's their choice, but it does pretty much invalidate any opinions that person might have on the subject. They can just go back to burying their head up an GOP's ass, just like they want everyone to. Just to be clear, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, I'm just venting my frustrations at the number of simpletons in the world that swallow anything the right-wing spits out without even pausing to evaluate whether it's true or not.

Err, I was actually talking about Palin. I'm actually glad she got picked, as we got an awesome SNL sketch with the yummy Tina Fay and an awesome short film with Gina Gershon out of it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 17, 2008, 10:02 pm

Obama's Mama was trash!

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

lol, gotta get about 1:15 into it before he starts talking about Obama's mama.

Obama's dad was a pathetic alcoholic!

This John David Manning guy's a crackup. This guy should have spoke at the RNC!

"Two iron Legs!"

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 17, 2008, 11:27 pm

Tyek wrote:Xyun,

Don't take this the wrong way, but how the hell could you possibly know that? How could you also know what the grass root Republican trends are? I know you are excited, but until November 4th, all we are going to know is that the media sucks and the polls are fairly unreliable. I still hope for an Obama win, but I guess I am not drinking the from the Obama punch bowl as much as others are.

Dude, the Obama punch bowl has the best punch you have ever tasted. Have a drink because it's delicious. As I've said many times, this won't be close, it will be an Obama landslide.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 18, 2008, 12:21 am

Liberal Hackers take screenshots of Sara Palins emails.

Sarah conducting her state business through yahoomail?

The rest of the emailscreenies
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

Kilmoll the Sexy · September 18, 2008, 11:30 am

Just want to make sure I have this straight.....liberals scream to high heaven about wiretapping to try to stop terrorist attacks here, but find it perfectly ok to hack e-mail and post everything associated with it on their site? How do you find the time to be professional hypocrites?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 18, 2008, 11:36 am

hey i've got an idea- lets go ahead and hold anonymous hacker groups to the same standards as our government.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 18, 2008, 11:39 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Just want to make sure I have this straight.....liberals scream to high heaven about wiretapping to try to stop terrorist attacks here, but find it perfectly ok to hack e-mail and post everything associated with it on their site? How do you find the time to be professional hypocrites?

And republicans are gung-ho against gay marriage, but then solicit gay sex from airport bathrooms? How do they find the time to be professional hypocrites?

Anyway Kilmoll, maybe if every single liberal hacked Sarah Palin's email you would have a point. I actually wasn't even aware that Anonymous was considered Liberal, and regardless, they certainly do not represent a large part of the liberal population, and I really doubt most of the liberals against wiretapping support the hacking in any way.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 18, 2008, 11:40 am

but find it perfectly ok to hack e-mail and post everything associated with it on their site?

I must have missed the part where someone said it was perfectly ok....

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2008, 12:25 pm

If you're dumb enough to write incriminating emails (not saying they are incriminating, I don't really care enough to read them) on an extremely popular, publicly accessible, web-based email system then you're too dumb to be a heartbeat away from being president (I mean that idealistically; obviously our current president is at least that dumb). Her password was probably one of her kids' names.

That said, it's not cool to hack peoples' email accounts and post them for the world to see, but who ever said Anonymous was cool? Who ever said they were liberals for that matter? They are a bunch of assholes, in general, and there are plenty of those all along the political spectrum.

Are these emails some indication of impropriety like gawker.com seems to suggest? If so, they will probably be made available via the FOIA at some point anyway.