McCain will be the next U.S. President (IMO)

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 20, 2008, 6:47 pm

Sounds like you would be better off in a country that does not economically revolve around the stock market. Perhaps when you are done wishing traders into accidents, you may wish to do a bit of research on how trading works.

As far as analysts, I do agree that they can and do at time add to fears, and not just recession. They are generally easy to get a hold of by the media. However, real numbers and very real problems do indeed show that this country is an a bit of a rough spot. Maybe not a full-blown recession, but certainly not 1996!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 20, 2008, 8:17 pm

I simply do not have the time nor inclination to explain to you how commodity, equity and security trading effects you and your economy.

Seeing how you guys still fucking moronically argue with Animale on environmental issues, can you kinda understand why I can't be bothered?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 20, 2008, 8:53 pm

Let's argue with experts of their field with vain ignorance because it makes us feel important! As Miir said, comedy gold.

Also, McCain is against Abortion. What the fuck else needs to convince you morons that he's a terrible, terrible choice? The right is always so quick to talk about "the bigger picture" yet this inconvenient reality goes entirely unmentioned. Oops!

Sounds more like the right wing posters of this board are more interested in perpetuating blind unevolved pseudo-religion influenced tribalism rather than discussing any serious intellectual or philosophical desire to improve the state of the USA/world/ourselves. (Hence why I treat them like shit which results in pretentious fence sitters like Sylvus who choose to lump me into a particular category where they can safely practice elitism without contributing anything other than a bi-monthly reasonable post and various admin duties - which are appreciated, yet the point remains).

How unsurprising.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » August 20, 2008, 11:08 pm

Nick wrote: Also, McCain is against Abortion. What the fuck else needs to convince you morons that he's a terrible, terrible choice? The right is always so quick to talk about "the bigger picture" yet this inconvenient reality goes entirely unmentioned. Oops!

They're always "against abortion", but in the same way they're "against big government" they never do anything to stop/reduce it.

I see it as a neutral factor in voting choice.

I think his recent pro-war posture is far more of a problem.

Wouldn't count him out though.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 21, 2008, 9:21 am

Funkmasterr wrote: You are another person on a long list of people that add abso-fucking-lutely nothing to this forum.

In case you have not noticed, Miir's only objective is to argue with select people. He normally won't be bother with trying to be right, he is simply there to use anything he can find to argue opposite of anything someone he deems to be on the far right says. In other words, he is some debate team clown and you ar ehis opponent.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 21, 2008, 9:39 am

Funkmasterr wrote:You are another person on a long list of people that add abso-fucking-lutely nothing to this forum.

What do you add to these forums?

miir · Post by **miir** » August 21, 2008, 9:59 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:In case you have not noticed, Miir's only objective is to argue with select people. He normally won't be bother with trying to be right, he is simply there to use anything he can find to argue opposite of anything someone he deems to be on the far right says. In other words, he is some debate team clown and you ar ehis opponent.

You're just figuring this out now?
The entire purpose of this forum is to debate pointless crap.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 21, 2008, 11:04 am

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ccain.html

McCain was asked how many houses he owns, and he didn't even know the answer. I guess after 26 years of big oil and lobbiest money, small things like that can become a blur. That Obama is such an elitist though!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 21, 2008, 11:51 am

I bet it is because his wife carries the wallet.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 21, 2008, 12:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo

It didn't take the Obama team long to jump on that one!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 21, 2008, 12:41 pm

If whining about McCain not knowing how many houses he has is the best Obama's camp can come up with, he's slipping faster than even the polls show.

I couldn't not care any less than I do even if I cared at all.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 21, 2008, 12:45 pm

I still don't understand why being an elitist (McCain or Obama) is a bad quality in a president. I don't want one of my peers to be president, I want someone much smarter and more successful than me.

That's why I've always disliked having George Bush in office.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » August 21, 2008, 12:49 pm

Elite is good. Theyre actually, well, elite.

Elitism, not so much- 1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 21, 2008, 12:54 pm

I think that people on the right call Obama an elitist because they'd be crucified if they called him what the really want to.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 21, 2008, 1:13 pm

A socialist?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 21, 2008, 1:19 pm

The problem is when McCain has been trying to show Obama as being an elitist, then cannot remember how many houses he owns. That is the big deal about this.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 21, 2008, 1:20 pm

Winnow wrote:If whining about McCain not knowing how many houses he has is the best Obama's camp can come up with, he's slipping faster than even the polls show.

I couldn't not care any less than I do even if I cared at all.

You could argue that the number of houses he owns is irrelevent but not knowing how many he owns is an issue.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 21, 2008, 1:23 pm

Ah senility. What red button? Where are my false teeth?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 21, 2008, 1:30 pm

This would be funny but Funk may win the oil market argument. Current investigations have found 1 Swiss company alone held 11% of New York future contracts in July. It is becoming evident that a small number of speculators are controlling the market.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 21, 2008, 1:41 pm

Forthe wrote: You could argue that the number of houses he owns is irrelevent but not knowing how many he owns is an issue.

I disagree. When your wife is loaded, owning houses isn't as big a deal to you as to someone else. His wife buying a house is like a lower income person buying a pair of shoes. A spouse might not always know how many pairs of shoes their partner has purchased.

This is way overblown. I hope it remains the Obama camp's focus for a long time as it's a huge diversion and waste of resources.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 21, 2008, 1:46 pm

I bet his wife has always been proud of her country.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 21, 2008, 2:13 pm

Fash wrote:I bet his wife has always been proud of her country.

I don't think you could find a single person born with a silver spoon in their mouth that would ever say otherwise.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 21, 2008, 2:14 pm

McCain's wife is more proud of her country than Obama's.

Plus, McCain's wife isn't black.

McCain will make a better president as a result.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 21, 2008, 2:26 pm

Winnow wrote:
Forthe wrote: You could argue that the number of houses he owns is irrelevent but not knowing how many he owns is an issue.
I disagree. When your wife is loaded, owning houses isn't as big a deal to you as to someone else. His wife buying a house is like a lower income person buying a pair of shoes. A spouse might not always know how many pairs of shoes their partner has purchased.

This is way overblown. I hope it remains the Obama camp's focus for a long time as it's a huge diversion and waste of resources.

When you have to explain it like that you lose. Not knowing can imply a number of things:
-he is old and can't remember basic shit
-he doesn't have knowledge of his own household
-he is elitist and out of touch
-he is lying because he doesn't want to be seen as elitist
-he doesn't have knowledge of his own finances how will he manage the economy
-he is a weak kept man

Your argument reinforces 3 and 6. Elitism is a republican mainstay, if McCain gets painted as such the least it will do is remove a weapon from Rove's playbook.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » August 21, 2008, 4:22 pm

I'm pretty sure Rove isn't involved in this campaign... so you can drop dropping his name in association from your playbook

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 21, 2008, 4:38 pm

The latest embellishments come from the McCain camp. Cindy McCain has repeatedly referred to herself as an "only child." This week came news that she actually has two half sisters, although apparently she had very little contact with them.

lol

The Obama camp is really hurting for dirt on McCain.

Cindy McCain has some half sisters! I'm switching my vote to um, um, um...the preacher!

The big revelation before the Republican Convention: Obama finds evidence that McCain considered wearing a toupee 4 years ago.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 21, 2008, 4:44 pm

Ashur wrote:I'm pretty sure Rove isn't involved in this campaign... so you can drop dropping his name in association from your playbook

You've got to be kidding. Rove has been advising the McCain campaign for quite a while. The campaign even acknowledges it, although understandably they prefer to not advertise the fact, and to downplay it when brought up by others because of the very negative opinion most humans have of the guy. This interweb thing is full of all kinds of info on the matter.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 21, 2008, 10:04 pm

he's slipping faster than even the polls show.

Those polls where he is comfortably ahead? Those polls?

Ahh! ok.

Pretty funny seeing people who 6 months ago said once the actual race got going that "Obama would be nowhere" having to weasel out of their prior short-sightedness/stupidity.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 21, 2008, 10:18 pm

Nick wrote:
Ahh! ok. Pretty funny seeing people who 6 months ago said once the actual race got going that "Obama would be nowhere" having to weasel out of their prior short-sightedness/stupidity.

You mean my very first post on the Obama thread Jan 28th of this year?

Winnow wrote:Lets hope the nation is wise enough to boot Hillary out of the race. I'd like to see Obama vs McCain which appears to be our best options from both parties.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 21, 2008, 10:47 pm

Puh lease.......You weren't even capable of acknowledging Obama as a candidate in the general election about 6 months ago. Go check out the first few pages in the "McCain will be the next president" thread for a reminder of your 'pundit-lite' style of 'trying to be cute but embarrasingly wrong'.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 21, 2008, 11:24 pm

A long long time ago Winnow posted a thread asking for predictions of the major candidates. My predictions were Evan Bayh and Mitt Romney, I might still come close if they are both picked for vp. haha.

I'm glad McCain is pulling close in the polls for two reasons. First, nothing fires up the Obama Nation like being an underdog or losing ground. I still think this is going to be a landslide of epic proportions. Second, polls mean jack shit right now.

As far as the house thing, I think it is a small issue that may last a day or two and go away, much like a plethora of other back and forth between the campaigns. But what it accomplishes is providing more evidence that McCain is in fact out of touch with common voters.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 21, 2008, 11:55 pm

Agreed.

If anyone here who was anti-McCain actually wanted to make a post everytime McCain made a terrible faux pas, illogical self destructive attack, idiotic statement or outright lie VV would crash within the hour. In terms of politics, McCain has shown himself to be a senile old fool. Unfortunately, this doesn't always translate into lost votes. (see winnow for example). I will of course be called "biased" but then again some people don't appear to understand the difference between illogical tribalistic bias and a person's individual take on the reality of the situation (and where they sit amongst it).

I have yet to see a compelling argument from any McCainite as to why he has shown himself to be Presidential material (being a POW in one of the most unbelievably stupid "wars" of all time doesn't count btw), or why his policies are better than Obama's (excluding the gun nut yokels like Kilmoll - who at least has the balls to make his point clear beyond voting for McCain so those DAMN LIBERAL INTELLECTUAL ELITESTS DONT WIN - i.e Winnow, Funk, Mid etc.

Let's say we were all unbiased outsiders, who do you think has run the more intelligent, non-aggressive and "about the issues" campaign thus far? And also, to the McCain supporters. How do you reconcile basic issues like abortion and "staying for 100 years" with the slightly more complex moral reality of humans in the 21st century? (This excludes "hating the nigger" of course).

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 22, 2008, 2:46 am

Are you still in college Nick or have they booted you out? If you spout anything close to what you do here in a classroom, hilarity must ensue.

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » August 22, 2008, 8:36 am

Good time to toss this little article in here.

Why i will not vote for Mccain, by a fellow PoW
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202 ... _1,00.html

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 22, 2008, 10:18 am

I really don't like Romney as VP. Now granted he would not be as bad as having a Cheney there, but on a personal level I don't want another Bush type in the office with the Christian gagenda at their forefront. Yes Romney would pull out the Christian conservative vote and very possibly sway the election....but I think it is heading to McCain without the Romney.

And yes I am a Christian although I am not your classic conservative....and while I do believe in common sense laws that prohibit drugs and other things you all may not agree with, I do not believe in attempting to legislate morality.

One big negative for the Dems right now is that Obama is a lot like Slick Willy with his charm. Unfortunately, everyone got to see what weasels the Clintons really were during the last year or so....and that certainly is not going to help Willy junior in this election. The more the GOP campaign can catch Obama with lies and blatant misrepresentation, the larger the margin of victory is going to be for McCain.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2008, 10:26 am

Xyun wrote:Second, polls mean jack shit right now.

During the last election, polls meant jack shit the day of.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » August 22, 2008, 11:12 am

nick is like moveon.org - they may fundamentally agree with you but you just want them to shut the fuck up because they arent helping.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 22, 2008, 11:12 am

While I agree that the question about how many houses McCain has is pretty much a non-issue, I think that

Barack Obama wrote:If you don't know how many houses you have, then it's not surprising that you might think the economy is fundamentally strong

might resonate with some voters.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 22, 2008, 11:32 am

cadalano wrote:nick is like moveon.org - they may fundamentally agree with you but you just want them to shut the fuck up because they arent helping.

I agree!

except for the fundamentally agree part

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 22, 2008, 12:13 pm

Are you still in college Nick or have they booted you out? If you spout anything close to what you do here in a classroom, hilarity must ensue.

Yep doing fine at University, on course for an easy first. Top marks in the year etc etc. Thanks for asking.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 22, 2008, 1:23 pm

Nick wrote:
Are you still in college Nick or have they booted you out? If you spout anything close to what you do here in a classroom, hilarity must ensue.
Yep doing fine at University, on course for an easy first. Top marks in the year etc etc. Thanks for asking.

Well of course you are, you aren't American, therefore you are of superior intellect and class. I'm so jealous

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 23, 2008, 12:02 am

cadalano wrote:nick is like moveon.org - they may fundamentally agree with you but you just want them to shut the fuck up because they arent helping.

Yes thank god we have "Cadalano" here to help.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 23, 2008, 12:58 pm

Oh shit son, he put your name in "quotes", don't take that!

Animale · Post by **Animale** » August 25, 2008, 6:09 pm

Was looking for a McCain ad I saw in Idaho (claiming he'd "fight against big oil",

) and ran across this gem from the 1999 campaign.

http://www.mtexpress.com/1999/12-29-99/12-29murphy.htm

My guess is this stuff will come out more and more as the fall progresses.

Animale

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 28, 2008, 2:08 pm

Putin: U.S. orchestrated Georgian war

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to benefit one of the presidential election candidates. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Matthew Chance, Putin said the U.S. had encouraged Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html

That fits right in line with my conspiracy theory on GOP politics!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 28, 2008, 2:23 pm

Winnow wrote:
Putin: U.S. orchestrated Georgian war

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to benefit one of the presidential election candidates. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Matthew Chance, Putin said the U.S. had encouraged Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html

That fits right in line with my conspiracy theory on GOP politics!

Big surprise, he's trying to shrug responsibility off on someone else. Fuck him, I'm not sure why anyone would even humor the idea of assuming there's any truth in anything Putin says.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 28, 2008, 2:54 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Big surprise, he's trying to shrug responsibility off on someone else. Fuck him, I'm not sure why anyone would even humor the idea of assuming there's any truth in anything Putin says.

I'm curious as to how you became such an authority on Putin?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 28, 2008, 3:24 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Big surprise, he's trying to shrug responsibility off on someone else. Fuck him, I'm not sure why anyone would even humor the idea of assuming there's any truth in anything Putin says.
I'm curious as to how you became such an authority on Putin?

You don't really buy his excuse, do you? I just have a hard time believing anything Russians say..

Post by **Sylvus** » August 28, 2008, 3:41 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Big surprise, he's trying to shrug responsibility off on someone else. Fuck him, I'm not sure why anyone would even humor the idea of assuming there's any truth in anything Putin says.
I'm curious as to how you became such an authority on Putin?
You don't really buy his excuse, do you? I just have a hard time believing anything Russians say..

I don't know enough to automatically believe or discount it. But I think it's foolish not to believe them just because they're Russian.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 28, 2008, 3:43 pm

It's not foolish, it's completely retarded. (and please don't quote Funk it hurts my eyes)

Isn't a lot of this whole recent Russian aggression largely because it feels threatened by the missile system the US has in Poland? Or was that timing all just entirely coincidental?

I'm not saying Russia is in the right or anything to go hell for leather into Georgia, far from it. But dont the US train Georgian forces? Still, it's probably nonsense.

Good to see McCarthyism alive and well in the brains of morons in the 21st century. And by good I mean embarrassing (for them)