Cedar Rapids vs New Orleans

[Jice Virago]

I see some of you are embracing your daily talking points from Rush, today. Let me paraphrase your first post: "Lulz stupid darkies!!!11!!1!!1"

Fact of the matter is (and as someone who lives in the midwest you know this Funk, or at least you should) flood preperation is standard in the midwest. Cedar Rapids is a giant fucking sand bar in the middle of a river system, but even that city was and is better equiped to contend with flooding than New Orleans. The situations are completely different, with the immense difference in population density being the biggest factor in how the two floods played out. But don't let facts get in the way of you guys being racist twats.....

[Funkmasterr]

I see some of you are embracing your daily talking points from Rush, today. Let me paraphrase your first post: "Lulz stupid darkies!!!11!!1!!1"

Fact of the matter is (and as someone who lives in the midwest you know this Funk, or at least you should) flood preperation is standard in the midwest. Cedar Rapids is a giant fucking sand bar in the middle of a river system, but even that city was and is better equiped to contend with flooding than New Orleans. The situations are completely different, with the immense difference in population density being the biggest factor in how the two floods played out. But don't let facts get in the way of you guys being racist twats.....

Jesus fuck, it's like listening to a goddamn broken record. It should be just as obvious that NO is in a bad spot and there should be MUCH better preparation at a city/state level.

And it's not racism, it's a valid point about the difference between a shitty "everything is someone elses fault" attitude, and the "lets work together to solve the problem instead of pointing fingers" attitude. There are no excuses (read: zero, none, nada, zip, zilch) for that bullshit.

[laneela]

I know Miami is on the coast, but I didn't think it was actually below sea level.

Corporated and unincorporated Miami averages at about 6 ft above sea-level. We have areas that are as low as a few ft below and as high as 20 ft above. *but* for the purpose of this excercise, I'm probably stupider because I live in what's arguably the most-often-hit-by-a-hurricane capital of the US (South Florida, that is) (though the Carolinas and the Panhandle have had their fair share in the last few years). We also hold the title of two of the three category 5 hurricanes to hit landfall. BOOYA!

Howeverm, I know Sylvus doesn't think I'm stupid. And I don't really think he's an asshole. all the time.

P.S.
My taste in music is stellar.

P.S.S.
Miami was also named number 1 on the list of rudest drivers in the country. We fucking rock.

[Spang]

Doesn't Rosie O'Donnell live there?

Wouldn't that void all accomplishments?

[laneela]

Yeah but so does OJ and he trumps Rosie.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Ok....so the big differences are that Iowa floods a lot (even though it was a 500 year flood) and was more prepared and the people more motivated to get out of the way of a giant ass flood, whereas New Orleans is basically a pumped lake, sitting next to the ocean, without any plans in place for emergency and no desire to get out of town with a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down.

Arb, are you seriously trying to tell me that the people in NO did not know a Cat 5 hurricane was coming right at them days in advance?


edited to post this
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HurricaneKatr ... 497&page=1

all I can say is stop crying when everyone there knew id advance what woul dhappen, and that the damn thing was coming at them well in advance. You might as well have coated your face in meat sauce and stuck it in the lion's mouth and then blamed the zoo for letting you in.

[Sylvus]

Ok....so the big differences are that Iowa floods a lot (even though it was a 500 year flood) and was more prepared and the people more motivated to get out of the way of a giant ass flood, whereas New Orleans is basically a pumped lake, sitting next to the ocean, without any plans in place for emergency and no desire to get out of town with a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down.

Arb, are you seriously trying to tell me that the people in NO did not know a Cat 5 hurricane was coming right at them days in advance?


edited to post this
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HurricaneKatr ... 497&page=1

all I can say is stop crying when everyone there knew id advance what woul dhappen, and that the damn thing was coming at them well in advance. You might as well have coated your face in meat sauce and stuck it in the lion's mouth and then blamed the zoo for letting you in.

Who are you saying should stop crying?

From the link you posted...

"What troubles me the most is the fact that [officials on all levels] knew the potential impact, knew the potential loss of life, knew how many people would be stranded," said Jerry Hauer, a former emergency management official. "And they did not use every resource humanly possible to get people out of the city."

and

Under the disaster plan, preparations for the storm should have begun at least three days before it made landfall. With Katrina, New Orleans ordered a mandatory evacuation 20 hours before the storm struck. FEMA officials were supposed to have critical resources in place before landfall.

Your reference materials aren't supporting your position.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Well they certainly are. It is the LOCAL officials and residents that are responsible for this whole mess. The feds are not responsible for calling for evacuation....and quite frankly no one should HAVE to call for a mandatory evacuation. If you stand outside in a tornado instead of going to your cellar, I have no pity for you when you die. If a hurricane is coming through and you decide to ride it out (and this is a really critical part coming here so try to read it this time) EVEN THOUGH YOU LIVE NEXT TO THE OCEAN AND ARE UNDER SEA LEVEL WITH ONLY ANCIENT LEVIES TO STOP YOUR ENTIRE CITY FROM FLOODING, then I am not going to have pity on you if you drown.

I do feel bad for those that have the intelligence to leave prior to the flooding and stil lost everything....much as I do for the people in Iowa that lost it all. But I do not feel bad for anyone blaming that dirty Bush guy and his cronies because they did not hold a gun to anyone's head forcing them to stay in a hurricane's path.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Give it up Kill. These folks are too far gone. They blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong and make excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for anything they do anymore. They are incapable of seeing how destructive this mindset is. That is why I continue to talk about the big picture and the long term. It is also why I will continue to get ridiculed for saying it. They will not change. They are already much better humans than we ever could be. Growth is not possible for these people, because they see no need for it. We are the ones who need to conform to them. We are Hugh. Resistance is futile.

[Boogahz]

What exactly has been the major difference between the Iowa floods and the Louisiana floods?

In my opinion, the big difference is the total area flooded. The overall devastation to man-made structures will probably remain higher with Katrina than this, but the current flooding still isn't done. It is still working South along the Mississippi, and the weather system that has been dumping the rain has not exactly gone away either.

Similar to the devastation caused by Katrina, there will be large amounts of land left "ruined" due to the chemicals and topsoil being washed away. This was already a problem which could be seen in the Gulf because of normal run-off. This will probably only get worse as it nears the Gulf of Mexico, extending the dead zone further from the mouth of the river.

[Animale]

Give it up Kill. These folks are too far gone. They blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong and make excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for anything they do anymore. They are incapable of seeing how destructive this mindset is. That is why I continue to talk about the big picture and the long term. It is also why I will continue to get ridiculed for saying it. They will not change. They are already much better humans than we ever could be. Growth is not possible for these people, because they see no need for it. We are the ones who need to conform to them. We are Hugh. Resistance is futile.

<snicker> Your big picture view begins and ends with your nose. Forest for the trees and all that.

Yes, the failure of pre-Katrina was largely local, but the post-Katrina fuckups were nearly all federal.

How about some big picture for ya - the national guard of the U.S.A., that the states utilize for
exactly these kind of emergency response situations, has been neutered in both manpower and material by our ongoing action in Iraq.So, we have local authorities underestimating the threat of the hurricane - admittedly stupid but because they hadn't seen anything quite like this before maybe understandable, followed by the Federal folks being unable to respond due to a combination of malaise, ineptitude, and poor preparedness. And, on top of that, the folks and equipment who are normally called to help in this kind of short term emergency are not there to help because they are either in Iraq, training to go to Iraq, or have quit because of the possibility of going to Iraq.

It's all related, you short-sighted idiot. I'm not sure which is more frustrating, the fact that you are so myopic or the fact that you think you have a telescope up your ass to see the big picture - when it is so very obvious that you can't see beyond the lens.

Animale

[Funkmasterr]

Give it up Kill. These folks are too far gone. They blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong and make excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for anything they do anymore. They are incapable of seeing how destructive this mindset is. That is why I continue to talk about the big picture and the long term. It is also why I will continue to get ridiculed for saying it. They will not change. They are already much better humans than we ever could be. Growth is not possible for these people, because they see no need for it. We are the ones who need to conform to them. We are Hugh. Resistance is futile.

<snicker> Your big picture view begins and ends with your nose. Forest for the trees and all that.

Yes, the failure of pre-Katrina was largely local, but the post-Katrina fuckups were nearly all federal.

How about some big picture for ya - the national guard of the U.S.A., that the states utilize for
exactly these kind of emergency response situations, has been neutered in both manpower and material by our ongoing action in Iraq.So, we have local authorities underestimating the threat of the hurricane - admittedly stupid but because they hadn't seen anything quite like this before maybe understandable, followed by the Federal folks being unable to respond due to a combination of malaise, ineptitude, and poor preparedness. And, on top of that, the folks and equipment who are normally called to help in this kind of short term emergency are not there to help because they are either in Iraq, training to go to Iraq, or have quit because of the possibility of going to Iraq.

It's all related, you short-sighted idiot. I'm not sure which is more frustrating, the fact that you are so myopic or the fact that you think you have a telescope up your ass to see the big picture - when it is so very obvious that you can't see beyond the lens.

Animale

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

There is no room in this world for your liberal, save the world bullshit. The sooner you motherfuckers realize that the better.

[Xatrei]

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

There is no room in this world for your liberal, save the world bullshit. The sooner you motherfuckers realize that the better.

It's shit like this that is the reason that almost nobody here takes anything you retarded fucks say seriously. You and your buddies Kilmoll, Midnyte and the rest are too god-damned stupid to realize when you've brought a dull knife to an intellectual gunfight. You're outmatched, you have no factual basis for most of the idiocy you spout, and you don't even have the basic awareness to know when you've lost an argument. It's like you guys wake up each morning believing that the rest of us need further convincing that you're imbeciles of epic proportions. You're the progenitors of the dumbed-down masses that Mike Judge had in mind when he wrote Idiocracy. The only thing that there's no room for in this world is your brand of stupidity, but unfortunately you guys work hard to ensure that we'll never have to do without it.

[miir]

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

So you're saying it's not the National Guard's job to assist in state of emergency situations within the US?

[Sylvus]

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

So you're saying it's not the National Guard's job to assist in state of emergency situations within the US?

I'm confused, I thought that's precisely what they were around for?

[Funkmasterr]

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

So you're saying it's not the National Guard's job to assist in state of emergency situations within the US?

That is one of their jobs. More importantly is helping out in war times when they are needed. I hope I don't have to explain why that's more important.

[Funkmasterr]

And you're disagreement with the war has jack shit to do with Katrinna. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING A WAR, DOING THEIR JOB. You might disagree with the war and with them being there, but not having national guard because they are fighting a war in another country does not mean the feds failed, you shallow fucking prick.

There is no room in this world for your liberal, save the world bullshit. The sooner you motherfuckers realize that the better.

It's shit like this that is the reason that almost nobody here takes anything you retarded fucks say seriously. You and your buddies Kilmoll, Midnyte and the rest are too god-damned stupid to realize when you've brought a dull knife to an intellectual gunfight. You're outmatched, you have no factual basis for most of the idiocy you spout, and you don't even have the basic awareness to know when you've lost an argument. It's like you guys wake up each morning believing that the rest of us need further convincing that you're imbeciles of epic proportions. You're the progenitors of the dumbed-down masses that Mike Judge had in mind when he wrote Idiocracy. The only thing that there's no room for in this world is your brand of stupidity, but unfortunately you guys work hard to ensure that we'll never have to do without it.

You keep telling yourself that buddy.

[Nick]

People saying that the scale of the floods are different does not in any way mean people are defending aggressive behaviour/violence. You stupid fucks.

Also, only fuckwits like Midnyte's little gang of twatty lovers would deny that if they found themselves in a disaster zone the usual rules of society may begin to apply a little less stringently.

Absolute fucking idiots.

[Funkmasterr]

People saying that the scale of the floods are different does not in any way mean people are defending aggressive behaviour/violence. You stupid fucks.

Also, only fuckwits like Midnyte's little gang of twatty lovers would deny that if they found themselves in a disaster zone the usual rules of society may begin to apply a little less stringently.

Absolute fucking idiots.

It's funny how you retards keep trying to make me look dumb, yet you are the ones entirely missing the point. I said nothing about defending violence, only about their shitty attitudes. However making excuses for people to rape and pillage makes you the dumbest person to read this forum.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

People saying that the scale of the floods are different does not in any way mean people are defending aggressive behaviour/violence. You stupid fucks.

Also, only fuckwits like Midnyte's little gang of twatty lovers would deny that if they found themselves in a disaster zone the usual rules of society may begin to apply a little less stringently.

Absolute fucking idiots.

There you go again, bringing conversation to yet another low. Your point has already been disproven with the Iowa flood. You are the prime example of people making excuses for bad behavior. You keep bringing down the expectations we place upon each other. What shall we strive for if every action is excusable?

[Jice Virago]

You are the fucking moron who lifted your "observations" verbatum from Rush Limbaugh's latest foray into public racism. Its practically a word for word duplication of the transcript. Of all your negative attributes (and there are many), your blatant relentless racism is the one I find the most distasteful.

And for the record, the federal government DID fuck up prior to katrina, via massively gutting FEMA and replacing it with unskilled cronies. Or do the words "Heck of a job, Browny!" not ring any bells with you?

[Metanis]

You are the fucking moron who lifted your "observations" verbatum from Rush Limbaugh's latest foray into public racism. Its practically a word for word duplication of the transcript. Of all your negative attributes (and there are many), your blatant relentless racism is the one I find the most distasteful.

And for the record, the federal government DID fuck up prior to katrina, via massively gutting FEMA and replacing it with unskilled cronies. Or do the words "Heck of a job, Browny!" not ring any bells with you?

Yeah, the Clinton Library took a helluva budget hit when Bush took office...

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You are the fucking moron who lifted your "observations" verbatum from Rush Limbaugh's latest foray into public racism. Its practically a word for word duplication of the transcript. Of all your negative attributes (and there are many), your blatant relentless racism is the one I find the most distasteful.

And for the record, the federal government DID fuck up prior to katrina, via massively gutting FEMA and replacing it with unskilled cronies. Or do the words "Heck of a job, Browny!" not ring any bells with you?

I'm sorry, but I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh very often. Haven't listened to one of his shows in over a month.

To answer you second hate-laden sentence......because they fingered a scapegoat and fired him, doesn't mean they really felt he did something wrong. In todays society, the masses call for firings for any incident. People such as yourself msut have someone to blame for everything. I'm sorry for you that you feel that way and have a need to see someone lose their job over every perceived failure. You'd give a murderer a second chance, but not the man who ran FEMA? Interesting.

[Zaelath]

Ok....so the big differences are that Iowa floods a lot (even though it was a 500 year flood) and was more prepared and the people more motivated to get out of the way of a giant ass flood, whereas New Orleans is basically a pumped lake, sitting next to the ocean, without any plans in place for emergency and no desire to get out of town with a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down.

Arb, are you seriously trying to tell me that the people in NO did not know a Cat 5 hurricane was coming right at them days in advance?


edited to post this
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HurricaneKatr ... 497&page=1

all I can say is stop crying when everyone there knew id advance what woul dhappen, and that the damn thing was coming at them well in advance. You might as well have coated your face in meat sauce and stuck it in the lion's mouth and then blamed the zoo for letting you in.

So, based on this response, I shouldn't have had sympathy when the terrorists attacked the US because "you should have known it was coming"?

[Zaelath]

Give it up Kill. These folks are too far gone. They blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong and make excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for anything they do anymore. They are incapable of seeing how destructive this mindset is. That is why I continue to talk about the big picture and the long term. It is also why I will continue to get ridiculed for saying it. They will not change. They are already much better humans than we ever could be. Growth is not possible for these people, because they see no need for it. We are the ones who need to conform to them. We are Hugh. Resistance is futile.

Again, this mantra of personal responsibility is fucking laughable coming from you.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Give it up Kill. These folks are too far gone. They blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong and make excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for anything they do anymore. They are incapable of seeing how destructive this mindset is. That is why I continue to talk about the big picture and the long term. It is also why I will continue to get ridiculed for saying it. They will not change. They are already much better humans than we ever could be. Growth is not possible for these people, because they see no need for it. We are the ones who need to conform to them. We are Hugh. Resistance is futile.

Again, this mantra of personal responsibility is fucking laughable coming from you.

Again, you make a blanket claim of which you know nothing about. Please enlighten us to your knowledge of my life that makes you think you know one iota about how serious I believe and take personal responsibility.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Ok....so the big differences are that Iowa floods a lot (even though it was a 500 year flood) and was more prepared and the people more motivated to get out of the way of a giant ass flood, whereas New Orleans is basically a pumped lake, sitting next to the ocean, without any plans in place for emergency and no desire to get out of town with a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down.

Arb, are you seriously trying to tell me that the people in NO did not know a Cat 5 hurricane was coming right at them days in advance?


edited to post this
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HurricaneKatr ... 497&page=1

all I can say is stop crying when everyone there knew id advance what woul dhappen, and that the damn thing was coming at them well in advance. You might as well have coated your face in meat sauce and stuck it in the lion's mouth and then blamed the zoo for letting you in.

So, based on this response, I shouldn't have had sympathy when the terrorists attacked the US because "you should have known it was coming"?

Another ridiculous statement. If there were warnings days before of a terrorist attack hitting New York City issued for days before the attack or even the hours before the attack, then yes. They weren't, because we didn't "KNOW" anything. We did KNOW the hurricane was coming. However, I don't share Kill's lack of empathy for those affected in Katrina. I think what happened is awful. I just don't hold anyone responsible. A tragedy happened. We need to learn from mistakes that might have been made and improve upon them for when the next natural disaster hits.

[Zaelath]

Ok....so the big differences are that Iowa floods a lot (even though it was a 500 year flood) and was more prepared and the people more motivated to get out of the way of a giant ass flood, whereas New Orleans is basically a pumped lake, sitting next to the ocean, without any plans in place for emergency and no desire to get out of town with a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down.

Arb, are you seriously trying to tell me that the people in NO did not know a Cat 5 hurricane was coming right at them days in advance?


edited to post this
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HurricaneKatr ... 497&page=1

all I can say is stop crying when everyone there knew id advance what woul dhappen, and that the damn thing was coming at them well in advance. You might as well have coated your face in meat sauce and stuck it in the lion's mouth and then blamed the zoo for letting you in.

So, based on this response, I shouldn't have had sympathy when the terrorists attacked the US because "you should have known it was coming"?

Another ridiculous statement. If there were warnings days before of a terrorist attack hitting New York City issued for days before the attack or even the hours before the attack, then yes. They weren't, because we didn't "KNOW" anything. We did KNOW the hurricane was coming. However, I don't share Kill's lack of empathy for those affected in Katrina. I think what happened is awful. I just don't hold anyone responsible. A tragedy happened. We need to learn from mistakes that might have been made and improve upon them for when the next natural disaster hits.

They didn't KNOW a flood of anything like those proportions was coming.

Surely you knew just as well, that if you cock slap an entire people eventually some of them are going to get pissed off? Well, true, you're still to dumb to see that, because you still think "teh war on noun" will make them less pissed off.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Surely if you live in a city below sea level surrounded by water with a history of getting hurricanes, you know eventually.......

Boy, you are something Zae.

[Xyun]

[Zaelath]

Surely if you live in a city below sea level surrounded by water with a history of getting hurricanes, you know eventually.......

Boy, you are something Zae.

If you constantly ignore terrorists with a history of ummm terrorism, because you want to commute 90 minutes one way cheaply instead of moving your precious snowflakes between schools, you know eventually.....

[Wulfran]

The midwest was better prepared? Exactly, I don't give a fuck if New Orleans is urban, it's below sea level and there are hurricanes annually, they should be better prepared than just having levees set up. I'm not interested in excuses for the people there, they hold no relevancy.

What I want addressed is the difference in attitude between the people of New Orleans and the attitudes of the people in the midwest - hell, the attitudes of people that dealt with any other disaster I can think of didn't have the shitty attitudes they did.

Funk, you're major issues in your quest to "focus on attitudes".

First is the speed and level of expectation.

Second is the point that Arb made about the rural vs urban setting (specifically population density with limited avenues for evacuation).

Third is the level of "expectedness".

Katrina happened fast and the population of New Orleans had to be dealt with en masse in a span of hrs, in a storm that no one knew where it was going to hit. By contrast the Mid-west flooding is something that has happened along traditional flood courses/waterways and has taken days to develop. Now I'm going to say point blank I agree with Sylvus about the sea-level thing but that doesn't change that the agencies involved had to deal with a massive shock rather than a slower build up to the catastrophe. Thats probably the biggest thing with your attitudes right there: people in the Midwest knew what could eventually come and were hoping for the best where people in New Orleans were in a complete state of flux with less time to prepare themselves. Add in the densities and a bad situation compounds: an asshole in 100 people is just an asshole, 1000 assholes in 100000 people is a riot.

[Funkmasterr]

The midwest was better prepared? Exactly, I don't give a fuck if New Orleans is urban, it's below sea level and there are hurricanes annually, they should be better prepared than just having levees set up. I'm not interested in excuses for the people there, they hold no relevancy.

What I want addressed is the difference in attitude between the people of New Orleans and the attitudes of the people in the midwest - hell, the attitudes of people that dealt with any other disaster I can think of didn't have the shitty attitudes they did.

Funk, you're major issues in your quest to "focus on attitudes".

First is the speed and level of expectation.

Second is the point that Arb made about the rural vs urban setting (specifically population density with limited avenues for evacuation).

Third is the level of "expectedness".

Katrina happened fast and the population of New Orleans had to be dealt with en masse in a span of hrs, in a storm that no one knew where it was going to hit. By contrast the Mid-west flooding is something that has happened along traditional flood courses/waterways and has taken days to develop. Now I'm going to say point blank I agree with Sylvus about the sea-level thing but that doesn't change that the agencies involved had to deal with a massive shock rather than a slower build up to the catastrophe. Thats probably the biggest thing with your attitudes right there: people in the Midwest knew what could eventually come and were hoping for the best where people in New Orleans were in a complete state of flux with less time to prepare themselves. Add in the densities and a bad situation compounds: an asshole in 100 people is just an asshole, 1000 assholes in 100000 people is a riot.

I fully understand that the situation might bring out the bad in people, my point was these peoples attitudes were majorly lacking to begin with, this just amplified it.

[Nick]

What makes you an expert on the behaviour of the residents of New Orleans Funk? I'm dying to know.

[Funkmasterr]

What makes you an expert on the behaviour of the residents of New Orleans Funk? I'm dying to know.

You mean the attitude (not behavior, how many fucking times do I have to say it). And not of New Orleans, of black people period. New Orleans was just a good example. But George Bush hates black peoplez amirite, lolz!

[Spang]

Not all black people have the same attitude.

[Canelek]

Well, if he does hate black people, he does a better job of masking it than some posters here.


edit: Referring to Bush

[Funkmasterr]

Not all black people have the same attitude.

Of course not, just the majority.

[Nick]

Oh right so you really are just a racist douchebag then. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Spang]

If Funkmasterr is a racist, I'm a white guy.

[Funkmasterr]

Oh right so you really are just a racist douchebag then. Thanks for clearing that up.

No, you just don't get it, or the issue is too far from pc for you to touch.. The major problem they have holding back black people as a race is people with that shitty attitude. It's the types that actually pay attention to what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say.

[vn_Tanc]

Oh right so you really are just a racist douchebag then. Thanks for clearing that up.

No, you just don't get it, or the issue is too far from pc for you to touch.. The major problem they have holding back black people as a race is people with that shitty attitude. It's the types that actually pay attention to what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say.

No, you don't get it.

Assigning a blanket negative stereotype to an entire race of people is almost the textbook definition of racism.

You and Midnyte entered into this comparison with a predetermined racist mindset ("Look at how these civilized white folk deal with their problem compared to them dumb niggers from NO!") and the rest of your arguments are sophistry.

[Boogahz]

As much as some people tend to think this "always happens in the mid-west, and they should expect it," many of the areas currently being flooded are in 100 or 500 year flood plains. It last flooded there back in the early 90's. That was not 100 or 500 years ago.

[cadalano]

i dont understand the coyness of the thinly-veiled racism on this forum- especially from funk. its an anonymous message board, what are you afraid of? you're a big manly man about all of your other ignorant points of view, but when it comes to racism you dance around your own remarks like a fucking fairy. just stop being a pussy and own up to your beliefs whatever they may be. its not like anyone hasnt figured it out anyway

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

i dont understand the coyness of the thinly-veiled racism on this forum- especially from funk. its an anonymous message board, what are you afraid of? you're a big manly man about all of your other ignorant points of view, but when it comes to racism you dance around your own remarks like a fucking fairy. just stop being a pussy and own up to your beliefs whatever they may be. its not like anyone hasnt figured it out anyway

You define his words as racism. Your broad definition of racism doesn't equal racism. He's speaking about his observations. That doesn't not mean racism in the slightest. Racism is the hatred of someone purely based upon the color of their skin. I don't sense that one tiny bit from Funk or any one on this board. I certainly do not feel this way. Like my brother has tried to tell you folks here for years, him and I didn't grow up in that environment. It is you, who needs to curtail your broad defintion of racism. When the same observations made my folsk like Funk and I can be heard from numerous black people, then it is not racism. You certainly do not consider Obama racist, do you?

[miir]

I challenge you to find any definition of racism that makes any mention of hate or hatred.


Funk's comments are absolutely racist.

[miir]

If I were to observe that most Filipino men are lazy, that would be racist.
If I were to observe that most Italian men reek of garlic and beat thier wives, that would be racist.
If I were to observe that most Chinese people are bad drivers, that would be racist.

[cadalano]

whatever you want to say to duck the notion that you are actually a racist, including displaying that you lack even a fundamental comprehension of what the word itself means.. its all the same thing. youre afraid to admit your racist beliefs despite them being completely plain to everyone reading your posts. it just goes against the normal behavior from most of you where assertiveness always overcomes the inconvenience of being completely wrong about something.. and what else do you have if youre afraid to be assertive? hence my perplexion

[Funkmasterr]

whatever you want to say to duck the notion that you are actually a racist, including displaying that you lack even a fundamental comprehension of what the word itself means.. its all the same thing. youre afraid to admit your racist beliefs despite them being completely plain to everyone reading your posts. it just goes against the normal behavior from most of you where assertiveness always overcomes the inconvenience of being completely wrong about something.. and what else do you have if youre afraid to be assertive? hence my perplexion

Bullshit dude, my best friend is as black as you can get, I can direct you to his myspace page if you want to go run it by him. What I am saying is reality, and if a black guy said it, people would say nothing. That is bullshit, if one person can say it and it's not racist, anyone can, you can buy into the bullshit double standards but I REFUSE to acknowledge them in any way, shape or form.

You would be hard up to walk into any project, or section 8 housing (which was what, 60% of New Orleans) and find many people that don't have the severe attitude issue I described. I am sick of it, I am sick of people defending it, and it's pathetic that you turn to calling someone a racist instead of opening your eyes to the fact that the attitude is unacceptable.
The white man isn't the source of all your problems, your grandpa isn't still someone's slave, no one owes you something because slavery existed at one point, and kanye west is a douchestain. Your laziness and lack of education is no one's fault but your own, and your parents. This is all part of people having zero concept of personal responsibility, or if they do a complete refusal to actually act on it.

But you keep telling yourself whatever you want dude.

EDIT:
Let me clarify even a little further. I have black friends that do all sorts of dumb shit, drugs, guns, whatever. But when they have got in trouble (this goes for me too), they accept responsibility for their fuckup and don't blame it on someone/something else. That is what I expect of people, I'm not like other people here who think everyone should not do shit they don't agree with, just man up and take responsibility for your own shortcomings and fuckups in life, and that's precisely what these people in NO didn't do.

Also, you are right. I don't give a fuck what you people think about me, if I really was flat out racist I would be more than happy to shove it in all your faces and say it whenever I felt necessary, but that's not the case no matter how much you want it to be.

[Truant]

This thread reminds me of when Mid was finding excuses to post the word nigger as many times a day as possible.