Welp, two of my co-workers got called to active duty

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 11, 2003, 3:04 pm

Miir, to win the proposed war, American troops are going to have to take Baghdad on the ground.

It is hardly a forgone conclusion that Bush has enough public support to weather the political firestorm that American boys and girls coming home in bodybags en masse will elicit.

i dont think he does, not without conclusive proof, that as yet we dont even have a glimmer of.

of course we may know he has these weapons, because we sold them to him

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » January 11, 2003, 5:49 pm

First of all I reccomended to The President that we divert the strike force heading to Krurks house and use it on Saddam.. I think he listened.

Seriously though, the whys and the proof issue I will address.

Why? That is no longer a question that should be asked, unless you have no idea of NATO the United Nations and the resolutions that were passed by the free worlds, appointed leaders... called the UN Securtiy Council.

That council many months ago passed laws that stated unless Saddam proves himself innocent and within compliance of past mandates that he will be removed from office.

The USA, along with the UK, Turkey, France, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and even Russia are sending troops to prepare to enforce the UN declared sanctions should Saddam fail to prove his innocense.

This is no longer a game of American rights/civil liberties justice where one is innocent until proven guilty. Sadam is a world terrorist and mad dictator. He has no rights under the book of the UN to be innocent first, guilty later. It is quite the opposite.

We will continue to pressure Iraq until mid February, then the tension will increase, there will be mass defections of Iraqi scientists, leaders and those exiles will be protected by the UN.

Saddam will be killed, captured or he will flee.

The country will then be restored by the long exiled royal family type government that saddam had ousted years prior. There is always a bloodline that escaped his mass murders in the middle of the last century.

The UN will back this new goverment fully.

Sanctions will all be lifted, the iraqi oil will flow. The oil revenues will be used to supply reparations to Kuwait, the UNs expenses for the occupation and also will pay in part the UN occupation/stability force that will innevitably remain in place inside Iraq for at least 18-24 months.

There then will be the dispute of northern Iraq between, Iraq/Turker/Kurds. That will be an entire ball of wax I will not comment on.

This will be swift for the world media, it will be swift to please the american people... however for the soldiers that have to be away from home for 3-6 months at a time in a foriegn land... it will not be swift. However this is something that the WORLD, not just the US has decided must be done to ensure the safety of the people that live on this planet.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 11, 2003, 7:10 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote:wow its ancient elvish for "one ring to make me and my daddy and my billionaire oil cronies ever wealthier"
As long as we sell the oil that we steal from the Iraqis to Canadians at an inflated rate, I am happy.

Canadians get their oil from Canada and Venezuela. Did you have any other uses for your cock hole today or are you about finished looking stupid?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 11, 2003, 7:14 pm

We just need to drop xanupox covertly into a Iraq with a camera attached to his elite air force sniper rifle to get the evidence. Nothing escapes his eagle-like vision.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 11, 2003, 7:22 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.arabia.com/news/english/?IE=NME

Every country has their own propaganda machine.

Do some research you fucking idiot.

arabia.com is based in Jordan.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 11, 2003, 7:45 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote:wow its ancient elvish for "one ring to make me and my daddy and my billionaire oil cronies ever wealthier"
As long as we sell the oil that we steal from the Iraqis to Canadians at an inflated rate, I am happy.
Canadians get their oil from Canada and Venezuela. Did you have any other uses for your cock hole today or are you about finished looking stupid?

Haha, yes, obviously I was serious. You are pretty sharp, nothing gets by you lol.

America will invade Canada soon, Kyoukan flame update soon to follow!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 11, 2003, 7:46 pm

miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.arabia.com/news/english/?IE=NME

Every country has their own propaganda machine.
Do some research you fucking idiot.

arabia.com is based in Jordan.

I'm sorry, did I say it was in a particular country? I believe I was trying to point out their are many propaganda machines. Do some research and get intelligent, then come talk to me child.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 11, 2003, 8:07 pm

Are you that dim?

Media is not the source of of propaganda, it is simply the condiut that feeds it to the masses.

My point was that Bush is feeding a very limited amount of information to the press about the situation in Iraq, and the information that is dished out has such a spin on it that Americans have been conditioned into thinking that Iraq is a major threat to the USA and world peace.

I believe I was trying to point out their are many propaganda machines

No shit, sherlock, noone ever implied otherwise.
You sure have a knack for pointing out the obvious.

I'm sorry, did I say it was in a particular country?

"Every country has their own propaganda machine"

You insinuated that 'arabia.com' was national propaganda machine, when infact arabia.com is based in a country that has been one of Americas strongest allies in the middle east.

Allies don't usually spread negative propaganda about each other.

Anyhow, I think I'm gonna 'stfu' you since you rarely have anything of value to add to these discussions.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 11, 2003, 8:21 pm

Since you come into every discussion against anyone who has made past right wing statements, then you are right, there is nothing I could add to this discussion....not in your eyes anyway.

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Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 11, 2003, 9:42 pm

Ahh Miir battles so well. His wit and sheer intelligence is beyond me. I could only dream of ascending to such an enlightened state.

Until then I will assume other dumb people like myself will understand that when I attach a URL with someone elses opinion of what is going on, they will understand I am showing that their are many different ways to view one situation. People can spin away on any topic at all.

The truth is somewhere, but the normal public will never know for sure. Of course, we will encounter many who attack(debate) so vigorously, as if they "know", but they don't.

Eventually these people will mature(we can only hope) and they will learn that arguements are won by thoughtful give and take.

Just my 2 cents.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 11, 2003, 10:46 pm

My question is, why are there no other right wingers like myself with their hands in the air asking a collective WTF? It's like our war machine is on autopilot or something. No one, left or right, is saying Saddam is not a sadistic guy that does not need to be leading a country, but I think most are asking to be shown how he is a direct threat to anyone else right now. If we have all of this proof, show it and change my mind. Just because you don't like a co-worker does not give you a license to smack them in the mouth when you see them.*does not apply if your name is Krimson*. Wake up right. There is party loyalty, and then there is WTF. Right now WTF takes precedence. Hey, am I wrong?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 11, 2003, 10:53 pm

Exactly Krim.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 11, 2003, 10:59 pm

omg krimson you fucking commie pig liberal.

you've betrayed your party!!1!! there is no going back now!

miir · Post by **miir** » January 11, 2003, 11:02 pm

One question, Midnite.

You have not provided any counterpoints to my assertion that Bush's 'Iraqi attack' is based solely on a personal vendetta and oil.

I guess you're more interested in flaming out of context comments, starting arguments and making personal attacks. You're like a broken record or that annoying guy at the bar, sitting by himslef who feels the need to interject random drunken comments while eavesdropping on you and your friend's conversations.

Point being, this is not a 'battle'. it's a discussion.
I would have assumed that someone with your superior intelligence and maturity would have realised that.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 11, 2003, 11:12 pm

most righties are too busy listening to Rush and dry humping their AM radios, beating their wives, or protesting Disney for owning movie studios that make PG-13 movies that say the word ass to think much about anything else. There's also a significant portion of the right that are stupid fuckheads like midnyte that just want to kick some arab ass in some kind of retarded 911 revenge trip (as long as they aren't the ones in Iraq actually putting their lives on the line). The rest are brainwashed into thinking that some 3rd world dustbowl in the asshole of the planet that no longer even has the resources to feed their people is somehow a threat to their liberty.

All the righties that are politically relevent enough to actually change anyone's mind in washington are too busy polishing up their money counters for all the dough they are going to make when the US gets their straws into the oil reserves in Iraq.

Meanwhile north korea continues to develop their nuclear weapons program while threatening to blow up most of Asia, sell missile technology to countries full of terrorists and violenltly supress anythign resembling free thought or speech from it's people. But hey, they don't have anything worth exploiting so fuck 'em.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 11, 2003, 11:35 pm

No I have not, nor am able to give you proof Bush is not doing this "soley" for oil or as a personal attack.

But, I don't care.

I am not a touchy feely person. I don't have much compassion for a society that tolerates the human injustices they do. I am all in favor of blowing up a bunch of rotten , no-good people.

They're bad people. We all know they are bad people. I don't care about making sure of one point in order to substantiate our desire to blow them up.

How many criminals have walked to commit more crimes, because of technicalities? Many! Fuck technicalities!

We know enough. Skip the Miranda rights and get to the capital punishment

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » January 12, 2003, 3:17 am

Midnyte, that is perhaps the most ignorant thing I have ever seen on this board. Please right up a list of all the Iraqis you know that are "bad people". I bet you could make a bigger list with "bad Americans" .

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » January 12, 2003, 3:34 am

Maybe some of us dont post on what we really think on these boards for a reason. Its like tring to talk to a child and hope they understand. Show me where in any thread it was flame free, full of facts, and no fingerpointing bullshit.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 12, 2003, 4:10 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:But, I don't care.

Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » January 12, 2003, 5:20 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:No I have not, nor am able to give you proof Bush is not doing this "soley" for oil or as a personal attack.

But, I don't care.

I am not a touchy feely person. I don't have much compassion for a society that tolerates the human injustices they do. I am all in favor of blowing up a bunch of rotten , no-good people.

They're bad people. We all know they are bad people. I don't care about making sure of one point in order to substantiate our desire to blow them up.

How many criminals have walked to commit more crimes, because of technicalities? Many! Fuck technicalities!

We know enough. Skip the Miranda rights and get to the capital punishment

Someone remind me to comment on this tomorrow. This definitely needs a-commenting.

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » January 12, 2003, 7:45 am

I had one of my employees come to me yesterday.He is being deployed as well.. He is 19. He goes to college and does that ROTC just about every weekend..He had mentioned theres to be an attack in Feb. /shrugs hope they all come back ok.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 12, 2003, 11:44 am

However this is something that the WORLD, not just the US has decided must be done to ensure the safety of the people that live on this planet.

Erh you forget a few things. Like the fact that UN has found no reason to attack at this time. The fact that the leader of EU has found no reason to attack at this time. And the fact that even USA's closest ally UK is pushing against an attack at this time.

They're bad people. We all know they are bad people. I don't care about making sure of one point in order to substantiate our desire to blow them up.

Guess you supported that cop who tortured criminals into admitting crimes and got put on death row as well eh?

Bush didn't give any hard proof of bin Laden being the creator of 9/11, and Bush didn't give any hard proof before moving troops out now. Time to wake up and ask "Why?"

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 12, 2003, 1:18 pm

Obviously you haven't been reading others posts. When Saddam failed to prove his innocence....

Go fucking read.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 12, 2003, 1:22 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:No I have not, nor am able to give you proof Bush is not doing this "soley" for oil or as a personal attack.

But, I don't care.

I am not a touchy feely person. I don't have much compassion for a society that tolerates the human injustices they do. I am all in favor of blowing up a bunch of rotten , no-good people.

They're bad people. We all know they are bad people. I don't care about making sure of one point in order to substantiate our desire to blow them up.

How many criminals have walked to commit more crimes, because of technicalities? Many! Fuck technicalities!

We know enough. Skip the Miranda rights and get to the capital punishment

Nothing I can say to that.

You've just made yourself look like a bigger idiot that I ever could have.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 12, 2003, 2:48 pm

Yep I look dumb. Xoq can you change my title to Idiot please. Thanks

miir · Post by **miir** » January 12, 2003, 6:29 pm

They're bad people. We all know they are bad people. I don't care about making sure of one point in order to substantiate our desire to blow them up.

I bet those exact same thoughts were going through the hijackers minds when they rammed those planes into the World Trade Center.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 12, 2003, 7:12 pm

You're probably right. In their minds Americans may very well be very bad people. Every one has their own perceptions.

In my perception a government which treats women like animals, tortures it's athletes in order to make them perform better, etc.......is bad.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » January 12, 2003, 9:39 pm

Well, I really wasn't going to get into a political debate on an everquest messageboard, especially one that I hardly ever post on, but some of this liberal bs is too much for me.

Saddam Hussien is a scared little bully who doesn't have the means to back up his threats.

You don't call weapons of mass descrution and an army as means to back up his threats? And please, don't even pretend for a second that Saddam doesn't have biological weapons and isn't extremely close to or already has nuclear weapons. Years ago Iraq had stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons, now they're saying "We've destroyed them really, I know we aren't willing to give physical proof, but we promise!! Scouts honor!!" These from the people who over 11 years have constantly lied and broken agreements. I know I sleep OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS better knowing Saddam promises he got rid of them. The burden of proof in my mind still lies on Iraq to prove they no longer have these weapons, rather than us proving they do. That's simple logic.

Also, I hardly trust Hans Blix with the inspections of Iraq after he's been so incompetent in the past. In the 80's his job was to make sure rogue nations didn't get weapons of mass destruction and he utterly failed.

You are right though, Saddam is a scared bully, realizing that soon he will pay for the crimes of his past and that we will no longer allow threats and attacks on the US and our allies to go unpunished.

These are the words of a desparate man.
Iraqis are starving to death.
They are murdered for questioning him.

His only option is to use religion as a tool to garner support from his people.

Are you being serious here? I mean, it sounds like you are, but I really don't see how you can be. If you were joking here let me know, and I'll edit it out.

Do you think it's the rest of the world's fault that Iraq's economic system is a piece of shit? Or that Saddam is more concerned with alienating the rest of the world and getting heavy embargos that severely hurt his country?

You stating that he has to use religion to garner support from his people doesn't support your arguement at all. All it does is further prove that Saddam is tyranical dictator who's own people despise him. Oh, is this where you're going to say "But he was almost elected unanimously." Give me a break.

This is a little off topic, but on the topic of North Korea, somewhere else someone brought up the US starving North Korea and the North Koreans being forced to use Nuclear power plants for energy. The US tried dropping food and other resources for the starving in North Korea. Do you know what happened? The vast majority of that food was seized by the N Korean gov and went to the Army, while the N Korean gov allowed there people to starve. And the nuclear reactors N Korea has opened give minimal power at best, basically their sole purpose is for the development of nuclear weapons.

Bush has got you so brainwashed that you think Saddam Hussein is part of the 'Axis of Evil' and you're too blind to see that this, once again is all about personal vendettas and oil.

I for one do not consider myself brainwashed. Saddam supports terrorism which is a direct threat to our national security, as well as the security of our allies. Is it that hard of a concept to grasp?

You have not provided any counterpoints to my assertion that Bush's 'Iraqi attack' is based solely on a personal vendetta and oil.

Why the hell should Midnyte provide counterpoints when you're the one making the accusations. When YOU provide some proof that this is purely about oil and that Bush has a personal vendetta, then I'll look into providing some counterpoints. I really don't see how you will manage to do this, unless you know Bush personally. But from the other thread, with you calling Bush an idiot and having "insider information" that Bush never makes any real decisions, while advisors around him really tell him what to do, I'm assumming you do know Bush personally. Anyone who still thinks Bush is an idiot at this point is more of an idiot than anyone ever accused Bush of being. He's led us through a hard time very well, better imo than Clinton ever could have, he's left Democractic politicians in the dust, and has come up with a sound economic plan that looks like it will really help the economy. The fact that he stuttered over a few things in front of many live cameras makes him a complete idiot, right? I'd like to see all of you who think you're so much smarter than Bush be president for a day, then I'd laugh when you failed miserably.

Well halftime is over now, back to the game. I'm gonna need more time than a single halftime to sift through all this liberal propogande I've seen in all these threads.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 12, 2003, 10:16 pm

Fuck Saddam Hussein. We could lift the embargo tomorrow and the average Iraqi would still be starving a year from now. Until they get a government in place that has SOME regard for the lives of their own people, they're a snag in getting the Mid East stabilized.

I've been watching the reports from the UN investigators, and while they haven't found any plants actually in process of making bio/chemical weapons, neither have these people given Iraq a clean mark. As the UN is a very forgiving and optimistic entity, I take this as a bad sign.

North Korea is rattling their sabre to gain advantage at the bargaining table. They have no real use for a nuclear program, as bombing their worst enemies (the Japanese and South Koreans) would fuck themselves and piss off the Chinese in the process.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » January 12, 2003, 10:19 pm

I almost agree with everything in your post till you talked about bush.

He is a moron. It has nothing to do with Dems and Reps. Clinton would have lead us a hell of a lot better than Bush. All you have to do is look at Bush Sr and look at Bush Jr and see no diffrence. Everything has gone nothing but down hill with Bush at the lead. Debt,Spending, Tax cuts, and so forth. Sure Im for tax cuts, but at the risk of my retirement and medical care? Fuck that.

He has no clue, as well as his "advisors" all but Powell. Ill go on but, like you said. This is a everquest board. Talking to people on here outside the lines of Fuck off you peice of shit, and talk about some stupid whore who slept with whoever and wants in their guild isnt really the best place for it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » January 13, 2003, 12:08 am

Bush is so ahead of you. Everyone called him a fool and he played that brand masterfully to sneak past his agenda when all of his opponents had their guard down.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » January 13, 2003, 12:19 am

Yeah, anytime I wanna get something productive done, or try to lead a bunch of people, I act like a complete moron to fool them into thinking I'm really not that smart. Then, maybe they will underestimate my leadership abilities.

Leadership is not about earning the respect of your peers and acting according to the wishes of your constituents as so many of you stupid liberals think, it's all about getting the title by whatever means possible, then abusing your power when you get there.

In about 100 years historians will look back at the 2 Bush 1-term presidencies, and they will rate them 2 of the worst presidents the U.S. has ever had.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » January 13, 2003, 12:43 am

Nay, he never acted a moron, the label was a tool used by liberals to discredit him.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 13, 2003, 2:54 am

lol oh nos the liberals

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 13, 2003, 3:15 am

This is all the liberals fault btw.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 13, 2003, 3:24 am

You don't call weapons of mass descrution and an army as means to back up his threats?

WHAT weapons of mass destruction?
So far the UN inspectors have found nothing to indicate that Iraq has any such weapons.

WHAT army?
The Iraqi military that was owned by the allies in the Gulf War is a shadow of what it was. A decade of economic sanction has crippled Iraq's economy. They don't have money to feed their people, let alone fund a military.

And please, don't even pretend for a second that Saddam doesn't have biological weapons and isn't extremely close to or already has nuclear weapons.

Iraq is not capable of producing nuclear weapons.
They do not have the facilities.
It's remotely possible that they may have the means to produce biological weapons but the UN inspectors have found no solid evidence to support that suspicion.

The burden of proof in my mind still lies on Iraq to prove they no longer have these weapons, rather than us proving they do.

Guilty until proven innocent?

Also, I hardly trust Hans Blix with the inspections of Iraq after he's been so incompetent in the past. In the 80's his job was to make sure rogue nations didn't get weapons of mass destruction and he utterly failed.

And who gave many of those countries their weapons of mass destruction?
Thats right, the good ole US of A.

Yet another american fooled by the Bush propaganda machine.

Do you think it's the rest of the world's fault that Iraq's economic system is a piece of shit?

Nah, I think Saddam is a psychopath who should be removed from power.

You stating that he has to use religion to garner support from his people doesn't support your arguement at all. All it does is further prove that Saddam is tyranical dictator who's own people despise him.

Like any national leader he uses whatever means he can to garner support. His religious speeches appeal to the muslim extremists much like Bush uses the 'terrorism' trump card to appeal to the right wing.

Why the hell should Midnyte provide counterpoints when you're the one making the accusations.

Accusations? I was making observations regarding what I feel are the real motives Bush has for going to 'war' with Saddam. Ousting Saddam is a very big motivation for dubya. His daddy couldnt do it, and he'll be damned if he can't.
And you can't ignore the economic side of it. There is so much high grade crude sitting in Iraq. Bush is gonna make a lot of businessman happy if he can make that oil available.

Midnyte chose to ignore those points and take 1 comment out of context and make a retarded propaganda comparison to some arabic news site. That's not a discussion, thats a pathetic attempt to start an offtopic argument.

When YOU provide some proof that this is purely about oil and that Bush has a personal vendetta, then I'll look into providing some counterpoints. I really don't see how you will manage to do this, unless you know Bush personally.

Get off the proof bullshit.
This is a discussion on opinions.

I'm not american.
I'm not forced to endure the media barrage of government propaganda that you do.

If you step back, look at all the facts surrounding this potential conflict you have to consider all the potential motives that Bush might have for pressing this matter.

But from the other thread, with you calling Bush an idiot and having "insider information" that Bush never makes any real decisions, while advisors around him really tell him what to do, I'm assumming you do know Bush personally.

What the fuck are you talking about?
I said no such thing.

He's led us through a hard time very well, better imo than Clinton ever could have, he's left Democractic politicians in the dust, and has come up with a sound economic plan that looks like it will really help the economy.

I'm sure Clintons advisors would have handled the situation post 9/11 in a similar manner. As for Bush's economic plan, I couldn't care less as it doesn't really interest or effect me.

The fact that he stuttered over a few things in front of many live cameras makes him a complete idiot, right? I'd like to see all of you who think you're so much smarter than Bush be president for a day, then I'd laugh when you failed miserably.

Bush comes off more as a talking head than a competent leader.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 13, 2003, 5:54 am

Truant wrote:This is all the liberals fault btw.

Bush is the biggest liberal that's been in office since Kennedy. No other president has increased government spending and restricted more personal freedoms in such a short time being in power since WW2.

Anyone who supports a president like Dubya is a bigger liberal than I could ever aspire to be. He goes against the very ideology of modern conservatism in every facet imaginable (other than corporate welfare and tax benefits for the wealthy elite of course).

The only thing that keeps people from liking or disliking a Republicrat like Bush is if they are directly benefitting from him, or if they are just rendering an opinion right down the archaic party line. The man really has no vision for the country that I've ever seen him express. He just seems to arbitrarily cut taxes and spend money in the weirdest fucking places.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 13, 2003, 10:03 am

kyoukan type-R

The man really has no vision for the country that I've ever seen him express. He just seems to arbitrarily cut taxes and spend money in the weirdest fucking places.

If you pay no attention, it's amazing how much you can claim ignorance about.

I've never seen bunnies fuck, but that doesn't mean they don't do it

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 13, 2003, 10:38 am

Ahmik wrote:
Kylere wrote:
Ahmik wrote:I go to school with a kid... his dad got recalled to active duty Army from his retirement where he has been a very happy semi-retired school bus driver...

he said "hey man, what would you do if they recalled you to actuive duty?"

I said "I'm going to show up at the appointed time, at the appointed place, and I am going to sign on the line... and then I am going to ask for $2,200 to reimburse me for my tuition and books..."
This stinks of so much of a lie, anyone who has served knows it is a lie. People that retire except in god awful losing the war concepts are not called back to active duty. If you got called to active and were a reservist you would know that your school cannot hold it against you and you would not lose the money from tuition. This holds true at all except for 20 or so universities, and all 20 of those charge a shitload more than 2gees for tuition.
Look man, this kids dad is a retired Command Sergeant Major (E-9) with 26 years of service... not some 10 year E-4 that hit his High Year Tenure and was forced out... he obviously has mad skilz in some necessary career field. They had an open-house going away party for the old fart at the high school where he worked. He shipped off to Ft. Jackson South Carolina on January 3rd.

As for my school costs, yes I am very well aware that I would get my cash back from the school, my point was that I would make it an issue with them to fully understand the impact that my recall was having on my life. I would not be happy, but I sure wouldn't make any efort to evade my service.

This stinks of so much of a lie, anyone who has served knows it is a lie. People that retire except in god awful losing the war concepts are not called back to active duty.
As to your claim that this is a lie... anyone that has served on active duty has worked with a very distinct class of person, exactly the type that you wish you could be, these are the ones that rise above and beyond any expectation of performance... these are the people that are so efficient they make everyone else look bad. These are the ones that are targetted for recall from retirement -- rare indeed, certainly not unheard of. From what I recall being told, there were 11 retirees recalled at this particular time.

Point 1. I was a SSG(E6) when I got out, and the only reason I left was because I got broken up too badly to continue while rappelling.
Point 2. CSM with 26 years do not have to go back on active, they make that a choice, no one in for that long does not understand the game, and like I said short of an actual invasion of the continental US, they would not be forcibly recalled, it would be voluntary.
Point 3. If you knew the truth about your tuition, why whine about it? You signed on the line, now stop the whine. What, did you go reservist like the other whiny bitches who complained they only did it for college, not thinking "Like wow, I might actually have to serve"? Because dumbass is not an excuse. You will not be penalized for the cash, so why you gonna harass some admin puke in processing you? Just STFU and do your duty.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 13, 2003, 10:48 am

A-freakin-man

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 13, 2003, 10:48 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote:wow its ancient elvish for "one ring to make me and my daddy and my billionaire oil cronies ever wealthier"
As long as we sell the oil that we steal from the Iraqis to Canadians at an inflated rate, I am happy.
Canadians get their oil from Canada and Venezuela. Did you have any other uses for your cock hole today or are you about finished looking stupid?

Ummm you might wanna rethink that statement

Data obtained from Statistics Canada.

Title Canadian Imports
Industries Listing of Top 25 Industries (5-digit NAICS codes)
Origin Iraq
Destination CANADA
Period 5-Year Annual Trend

1997 1998 1999 2000 2001
Value in Canadian Dollars

21111 - Oil and Gas Extraction
132,457,960 81,910,448 163,585,797 684,299,562 874,058,475
33331 - Commercial and Service Industry Machinery Manufacturing
-- -- -- -- 158
33531 - Electrical Equipment Manufacturing
-- 34 -- -- 96
33441 - Semiconductor and Other Electronic Component Manufacturing
-- -- -- -- 38
N/A
-- -- -- 2,509 --
31411 - Carpet and Rug Mills
9,720 -- -- 2,000 --
31142 - Fruit and Vegetable Canning, Pickling and Drying
-- -- 33,774 -- --
33991 - Jewellery and Silverware Manufacturing
-- 73,517 -- -- --
33911 - Medical Equipment and Supplies Manufacturing
-- 213 -- -- --
31522 - Men's and Boys' Cut and Sew Clothing Manufacturing
-- 71 -- -- --
33299 - All Other Fabricated Metal Product Manufacturing
-- 57 -- -- --
11133 - Non-Citrus Fruit and Tree Nut Farming
40,003 -- -- -- --
31599 - Clothing Accessories and Other Clothing Manufacturing
33 -- -- -- --
SUB-TOTAL
132,507,716 81,984,340 163,619,571 684,304,071 874,058,767
OTHERS
-- -- -- -- --
TOTAL (ALL INDUSTRIES)
132,507,716 81,984,340 163,619,571 684,304,071 874,058,767
Source of data: Statistics Canada Report Date: 13-Jan-2003

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Deward · Post by **Deward** » January 13, 2003, 10:50 am

While Saddam is in power, Americans are in danger. I wish we had more proof of some kind before attacking him but I have no doubts that he is supplying money to terrorists all over the world. There is proof of that. That is good enough for a war for me.

I also know that Cheney and other republicans got hella rich rebuilding Kuwait after the last war and I am sure that is a big incentive for them to go back in there again.

I think we could make this a lot cheaper of a war if we would just send a good sniper team in and assassinate the bugger though. Either way the war won't last long but the occupation will.

If I get called up (not likely) then I will go and do my duty without questioning it. People who say reservists are shit can suck my ass. I have as much love and respect for this country as you do. I just chose to do my duty one weekend a month instead of full-time.

Deward

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 13, 2003, 10:57 am

Kylere wrote:Point 2. CSM with 26 years do not have to go back on active, they make that a choice, no one in for that long does not understand the game, and like I said short of an actual invasion of the continental US, they would not be forcibly recalled, it would be voluntary.

That's a fact, people who retire normally do not get mandatory recalls unless things are incredibly ugly. They will ask on occasion however, I've seen that a couple times when they needed expertise that wasn't available. And then they come back to train others for a limited period of time.

No one in the military is irreplacable or unique, or has such mad skillz that they force them out of retirement. That only happens in the movies. Folks that are REALLY good at what they do generally spend a fair amount of thier time training others.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » January 13, 2003, 11:45 am

they do not have the means to directly attack North America

And of couse North America is the only place on the planet with a large enough ethnic population to be eligible for genocide. Hey, it's not our backyard, right?

So far the UN inspectors have found nothing to indicate that Iraq has any such weapons.

You cannot be this fucking dense and still be able to breathe on your own. WE KNOW HE HAS THESE WEAPONS, SPECIFICALLY BIOLOGICALS!

Why?

1. He has used them on the Kurds in the past

2. We gave him his original stock during the conflict with the Ayatollah Khomeni.

Grow up, take your fucked-up blinders off and realize that world history is not what went on last week, but also what happened 20 years ago before you were around to see it.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 13, 2003, 11:49 am

While Saddam is in power, Americans are in danger

In danger of what?
Paying too much for oil?

Seriously, I'd like to know why you think Saddam Hussein is a threat to you, as an American.

Has there been any evidence linking him with bin laden or any other terrorist activity against the USA?
Is Iraq secretly producing weapons grade plutonium?
Has Iraq secretly built stealth bombers, nuclear submarines and/or ICBM silos so that they can launch thei weapons of mass destruction at the continental United States?

I have no doubts that he is supplying money to terrorists all over the world. There is proof of that

Man, are you fucking thick?
Iraq does not have the money to fund terrorists
Over a decade of sanctions and embargos has crippled the Iraqi economy.

There has been ZERO proof that Iraq is involved in any terrorist activities or funding.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 13, 2003, 11:55 am

Fallanthas wrote:WE KNOW HE HAS THESE WEAPONS, SPECIFICALLY BIOLOGICALS!

Has or had I think is the question, chemical and biological weapons both have a limited shelf life from what I've read. At the 5+ year point both will become nearly inert without constinuous maintenance/replenishment. Which is why they are concentrating on looking for facilities and not for actual weapons. Weapons are (relatively) easy to hide, unlike facilities.

I read a report listing chemical and biological weapons he was known to have had at the time of the gulf war. All would have deteriorated to usellessness by now without extensive maintenance.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 13, 2003, 12:00 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
So far the UN inspectors have found nothing to indicate that Iraq has any such weapons.
You cannot be this fucking dense and still be able to breathe on your own. WE KNOW HE HAS THESE WEAPONS, SPECIFICALLY BIOLOGICALS!

Why?

1. He has used them on the Kurds in the past

2. We gave him his original stock during the conflict with the Ayatollah Khomeni.

Grow up, take your fucked-up blinders off and realize that world history is not what went on last week, but also what happened 20 years ago before you were around to see it.

The UN inspectors are finding nothing, and I'd sooner believe them than your President who has his own agenda and a personal issue with Saddam Hussein.

Bush has a lot to gain from brainwashing his sheep into thinking that Iraq has various weapons of mass destruction that he will use on America.
The UN has nothing to gain from saying that he doesn't.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » January 13, 2003, 12:13 pm

I just have a hard time believing anyone that naiive still walks around this world.

Miir, I just told you. He has them. He was given stocks of biologicals by our own Rumsfeldt durign the U.S. conflict with Khomeni. We know he has them. There is no question about it. He has used them in a recent conflict against the Kurds.

Read it again. Then all of you folk talking about how Bush has a hard-on for Iraq, those of you screaming for proof, think. The U.N. weapons inspections have been window dressing from the very start. We didn't need them to prove Saddam was armed. We knew.

VeeshanVault

Welp, two of my co-workers got called to active duty

Why? Proof? When? Nope..