The Dark Knight

[Boogahz]

but Brandon Lee was shot on the set

I'm having this argument in the Current Events forum if you'd like to pile on as well...

pile on? I think you misunderstood my posts. Also, I started the "discussion" about him dying here, rather than the CE forum. That one started later.

[Fairweather Pure]

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

Both men died well before their time.

[Winnow]

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

Both men died well before their time.

I don't get the fascination with Brandon Lee. Even as Lees go not named Bruce, he wasn't the best. Jason Scott Lee!

I never saw Brokeback Mountain so I'm assuming you're referring to that movie as Ledger's good acting role. I liked him in 10 Things and A Knight's Tale but didn't notice anything out of the ordinary for acting skills, including his role in The Patriot as well. All good, just not great.

[Fairweather Pure]

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

Both men died well before their time.

I don't get the fascination with Brandon Lee. Even as Lees go not named Bruce, he wasn't the best. Jason Scott Lee!

I never saw Brokeback Mountain so I'm assuming you're referring to that movie as Ledger's good acting role. I liked him in 10 Things and A Knight's Tale but didn't notice anything out of the ordinary for acting skills, including his role in The Patriot as well. All good, just not great.

It's not just his actual acting. It's the way he was directing his career. He turned down a large number of teen comadies after "10Things" and was only taking roles that both challenged him and he enjoyed. The Joker was a huge undertaking (pun?) for him. I think his skills have sharpened greatly in the past few years and he was only 28. The sky was the limit for Ledger.

[Siji]

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

I'd strongly disagree with you there. Brandon didn't want to only be doing action movies like his father - but you can't think that anyone that casts him is going to let him not have a fight scene or two (look at Elvis and singing). Given that Brandon was only in 4 movies, it's impossible to know what kind of actor he'd have been. But there are some great scenes in The Crow that he shines as an actor.

[Fairweather Pure]

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

I'd strongly disagree with you there. Brandon didn't want to only be doing action movies like his father - but you can't think that anyone that casts him is going to let him not have a fight scene or two (look at Elvis and singing). Given that Brandon was only in 4 movies, it's impossible to know what kind of actor he'd have been. But there are some great scenes in The Crow that he shines as an actor.

I think the only reason he even got a job was because of his father. Yes, The Crow showed signs of imporvement, but I still think he was only an action star, and never wouldv'e achieved any sort of acting recognition, unlike Ledger.

[Winnow]

Sounds like if Brandon Lee was still alive, he'd have a stalker!

Ledger played a fudge packer with lots of dialog
Brandon Lee played a mostly silent joker looking character

Brandon Lee is famous because he died and was the son of Bruce Lee. Ledger actually had a few decent films including one he was nominated for an academy award for. I don't think Ledger had a famous parent so he earned his "fame" and was respected by his peers.

Nothing against Brandon Lee, but Heath Ledger should clearly be viewed as the better actor, even if projecting careers beyond their deaths with the material available.

[Boogahz]

If you stop with 10 Things I Hate About You, how would you rate the two actor's careers? That would make the level of experience basically the same (going by number of projects). I, personally, can remember barely anything about it apart from being a version of Taming of the Shrew.

[Winnow]

If you stop with 10 Things I Hate About You, how would you rate the two actor's careers? That would make the level of experience basically the same (going by number of projects). I, personally, can remember barely anything about it apart from being a version of Taming of the Shrew.

Heath Ledger has a song and dance musical number he does in that movie...and Brandon Lee only did one movie? If he did more than one, you'd have to include A Knight's Tale and maybe The Patriot for comparison.

Since Brandon Lee really only played a mute scarecrow looking character, you're going purely on speculation. Health Ledger had tons of dialog in A Knight's Tale. Watch it. Not bad for one of someone's early movies. (as is 10 Things)

[Boogahz]

I was also including both of their TV shows/appearances. Lee had 9 or 10, including a project he had maybe a scene in that was released around 7-8 years after he died and failed TV pilots. Ledger had 3-4 more projects after 10 things and before The Patriot, which included 13 or so TV episodes.

[Fairweather Pure]

Since Brandon Lee really only played a mute scarecrow looking character, you're going purely on speculation. Health Ledger had tons of dialog in A Knight's Tale. Watch it. Not bad for one of someone's early movies. (as is 10 Things)

He also did Showdown in Little Tokyo (with Dolf Ludgren) and Rapid Fire. They were both typical action movies of the day. Well, those were pretty bad acton flicks. He did show promise in Crow, but he was an action guy first and foremost. Ledger was an actor first and foremost.

[Aslanna]

As far as stupid pointless debates on VV goes.... This one takes the cake. Or pie. Whichever you prefer.

[Fairweather Pure]

I would draw comparisons between River Phoenix and Ledger before I ever would Brandon Lee.

[Winnow]

What about Chuck Norris vs Branden Lee (if Lee had lived, or if Chuck had died after filming The Octagon...discuss both!)

[Fairweather Pure]

What about Chuck Norris vs Branden Lee (if Lee had lived, or if Chuck had died after filming The Octagon...discuss both!)

Well, Chuck has Jesus on his side, and God dosen't believe in Asians (not even half asians) so Chuck wins by default.

[Canelek]

I haven't seen Brokeback Mtn yet, but I think Ledger's best role has been Lords of Dogtown. Rocked that stoner burnout!

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

[Fairweather Pure]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

Fuck off and go back to trolling the Current Events forum. Please don't shit all over this forum too.

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris > Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger > The Cloverfield Monster > Jason Priestley.

[Funkmasterr]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

Fuck off and go back to trolling the Current Events forum. Please don't shit all over this forum too.

Boo fucking hoo, 4realz.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Brandon Lee

Sex, lögner & videovåld (2000) (V) .... Man in line to night club


The Crow (1994) .... Eric Draven
Rapid Fire (1992) .... Jake Lo
Showdown in Little Tokyo (1991) .... Johnny Murata
Laser Mission (1990) .... Michael Gold
... aka Soldier of Fortune


"Ohara" .... Kenji (1 episode, 1988)
- What's in a Name (1988) TV episode .... Kenji
"CBS Summer Playhouse" .... Johnny Caine (1 episode, 1987)
- Kung Fu: The Next Generation (1987) TV episode .... Johnny Caine
Kung Fu: The Movie (1986) (TV) .... Chung Wang
Long zai jiang hu (1986) .... Brandon Ma
... aka Legacy of Rage (Hong Kong: English title)
... aka Lung joi gong woo (Hong Kong: Cantonese title)

Jason Scott Lee

Dance of the Dragon (2008) (post-production) .... Cheng


Balls of Fury (2007) .... Siu-Foo
Only the Brave (2005) .... Glenn "Tak" Takase
The Prophecy: Forsaken (2005) (V) .... Dylan
Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch (2005) (V) (voice) .... David Kawena
... aka Lilo & Stitch 2 (USA)
Nomad (2005/II) .... Oraz
... aka Nomad (USA: informal English title)
... aka Nomad: The Warrior (USA: long title)
Dracula III: Legacy (2005) (V) .... Father Uffizi
Timecop: The Berlin Decision (2003) (V) .... Ryan Chan
... aka Timecop 2 (Philippines: English title)
Dracula II: Ascension (2003) (V) .... Father Uffizi
... aka Wes Craven Presents Dracula II: Ascension (USA: video title)
Lilo & Stitch (2002) (voice) .... David Kawena
Arabian Nights (2000) (TV) .... Aladdin


Soldier (1998/I) .... Caine 607
Tale of the Mummy (1998) .... Riley
... aka Talos the Mummy (Europe: English title) (UK: video title) (USA: working title)
... aka Russell Mulcahy's Tale of the Mummy (USA: complete title)
Murder in Mind (1997) .... Holloway
"The Hunger" .... Craig Yun (1 episode, 1997)
- The Secret Shih Tan (1997) TV episode .... Craig Yun
"Shnookums and Meat Funny Cartoon Show" .... Chinese Clown (1 episode, 1995)
- Circus Life (1995) TV episode (voice) .... Chinese Clown
The Jungle Book (1994) .... Mowgli
... aka Libro de la selva, El (USA: Spanish title)
... aka Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book (USA: complete title)
Picture Bride (1994) (uncredited) .... Worker collecting pay
... aka Bijo photo (Japan)
Rapa Nui (1994) .... Noro
Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) .... Bruce Lee
Map of the Human Heart (1993) .... Avik
Ghoulies III: Ghoulies Go to College (1991) .... Kyle
Vestige of Honor (1990) (TV) .... Ha-Kuhn
The Lookalike (1990) (TV) .... John 'Charlie' Chan
"CBS Schoolbreak Special" .... John Henderson (1 episode, 1990)
- American Eyes (1990) TV episode .... John Henderson


Back to the Future Part II (1989) .... Whitey
"Wolf" .... Chin (1 episode, 1989)
- Curtains of Silence (1989) TV episode .... Chin
"Matlock" .... Le Tran (1 episode, 1988)
- The Fisherman (1988) TV episode .... Le Tran
Born in East L.A. (1987) .... What's Happening Boys

[Winnow]

Balls of Fury is the clincher.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

Fuck off and go back to trolling the Current Events forum. Please don't shit all over this forum too.

Boo fucking hoo, 4realz.

I'll use my admin-given powers to moderate this forum if I feel it becomes necessary. But please keep the stupid off-topic shitflinging to the thread that's already there.

[Aslanna]

I'll use my admin-given powers to moderate this forum if I feel it becomes necessary. But please keep the stupid off-topic shitflinging to the thread that's already there.

OMG this is just like IGN!!! Don't you people remember why we left???


(other than the fact that most of us ended up banned lolz)


(oh and this isn't a serious post. But just had to throw in something about nazi moderators before someone like Funk or Mid did along with some reference to Cartalas being banned)

[Funkmasterr]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

Fuck off and go back to trolling the Current Events forum. Please don't shit all over this forum too.

Boo fucking hoo, 4realz.

I'll use my admin-given powers to moderate this forum if I feel it becomes necessary. But please keep the stupid off-topic shitflinging to the thread that's already there.

That's bullshit, but you do whatever you want and see if I give a damn. The same people whining about shit staying on topic are guilty of derailing just as much as the next person here, it's just that people seem to think staying on topic is more important when it is something they are really into, which is b.s.

You want to moderate me/others for making the random jab or off topic comment (sure isn't midnyte's fault in this case if people are too non confrontational or shallow to stay on topic just because he wrote a 5 word post thats off topic) - go ahead and do it, but at that point im going to go out of my way to make your life harder, to prove my point. I'll protect what matters to me and you do the same.


On topic: I think the movie looks good, but I hope they finished filming it before that guy died so it doesn't fuck something up.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

January 23rd at 11:21am

Brandon Lee didn't hold a candle to Ledger's acting. Lee would've just been another Van Damn IMO, nothing more.

Both men died well before their time.

Numerous other comments regarding Brandon Lee and Jason Scott Lee followed by many others.

I post on January 27th at 3:03am

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

I'm the one chosen to be responsible for derailing the thread? LOL You are pathetic Fair. Pathetic. Almost as pathetic as Mel Gibson ending a friendship with Heath over him taking the role of a homo cowboy.

[Siji]

Those chromadracs in Skyfire Mountains are really annoying. It's like, why buff?

[Leonaerd]

Those chromadracs in Skyfire Mountains are really annoying. It's like, why buff?

That's why you solo in the corner of the zone near the elder wyverns where the chromos usually don't hang out. Basically the only place where fear kiting worked better than agro kiting for higher (45+) levels.

One time I got killed by Talendor 7 times while trying to get my corpse back from him. Ugh. And then like two days later I got my summon corpse (or whatever it's called) spell. I loved the market value on essence emeralds. That shit was pretty sweet.

........I'm getting the itch now. Who wants to roll some monks on a newbie server? 70 necro lfg!

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

Jason Scott Lee > Brandon Lee > Heath Ledger

Fuck off and go back to trolling the Current Events forum. Please don't shit all over this forum too.

Boo fucking hoo, 4realz.

I'll use my admin-given powers to moderate this forum if I feel it becomes necessary. But please keep the stupid off-topic shitflinging to the thread that's already there.

That's bullshit, but you do whatever you want and see if I give a damn. The same people whining about shit staying on topic are guilty of derailing just as much as the next person here, it's just that people seem to think staying on topic is more important when it is something they are really into, which is b.s.

You want to moderate me/others for making the random jab or off topic comment (sure isn't midnyte's fault in this case if people are too non confrontational or shallow to stay on topic just because he wrote a 5 word post thats off topic) - go ahead and do it, but at that point im going to go out of my way to make your life harder, to prove my point. I'll protect what matters to me and you do the same.


On topic: I think the movie looks good, but I hope they finished filming it before that guy died so it doesn't fuck something up.

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't pointing fingers at you in particular, but at any and all who derail or post off-topic in this forum. I wasn't threatening bans or anything remotely similar, but was warning that I'd most likely merge the posts into the already existing discussion. So please, get off your paranoid rocking horse.

The 'Arts' forums have mostly remained free from the shitslinging and rampant off-topic posting, providing us with genuinely interesting discussions from time to time, and I'd like it to remain that way.

[Funkmasterr]

I never got the impression there were bannings mentioned nor did I say anything like that myself, I do however have a problem with the same people that will derail anything I start whether it's in general discussion, CE or Audio forums having the fucking nerve to even think about opening their insolent fucking mouths to whine when someone does the same to them.

And the point which you decided to jump in was when fair started whining like a little bitch because Mid made a comment, even though he was making a comment about something previously mentioned by multiple other people in the thread, and it wasn't derailing, it wasn't even off topic.

[Boogahz]

I blame Winnow for the actual derail...although I was the one to ask where they were at in filming when Ledger died.

I was looking forward to the movie before it happened, and I anticipate the media frenzy at release due to his death being more effective than any advertising campaign that could be put on. If the "news organizations" think they can get more viewers by devoting time to things like this, they will do it x5.

[Funkmasterr]

I blame Winnow for the actual derail...although I was the one to ask where they were at in filming when Ledger died.

I was looking forward to the movie before it happened, and I anticipate the media frenzy at release due to his death being more effective than any advertising campaign that could be put on. If the "news organizations" think they can get more viewers by devoting time to things like this, they will do it x5.

I would guess you are probably right on that one.

[Fairweather Pure]

First and foremost, all shooting was done on Dark Knight. Ledger's role was complete. However, he was half way through working on another project directed by Terry Gilliam, The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, of which Johnny Depp is rumored to be taking over. They were down to green screen work with Imaginarium, and they're now talking about using duel actors for the role Ledger played. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. Terry Gilliam is pretty hit and miss with me.

Secondly, the Dark Knight Returns had a three phase advertising campaign planned all along. The Joker was the lead in, Harvey Dent was the secondary advertising push, and finally it was all about Batman prior to release. The studio had said this well before Ledger's death in response to fans feeling the sequel was going to be too "Joker-centric", leaving Batman in the background.

Keep in mind that the Joker is sharing screentime in this film with Harvey Dent, who plays a major role in the sequel.

[Fairweather Pure]

New Poster. This one is cool as hell too.

http://www.whysoserious.com/itsallparto ... poster.htm

[Fairweather Pure]

http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm

Latest trailer.

[Fairweather Pure]

Major spoiler here. This is the first shot of Two Face. WB has been issuing legal warnings to everyone that has posted it, but this one site is refusing to take it down.

http://io9.com/387467/see-the-batman-co ... ed-to-hide

Fuck me! That's pretty awesome!