Ron Paul's Boston Tea Party sets another record

[Winnow]

Yes.

Oh boo hoo, no one respects your shitty little flag mid.

Nick at one of his recent anti American rallies:

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Yes.

Oh boo hoo, no one respects your shitty little flag mid.

Nick at one of his recent anti American rallies:

hahaha

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Nick is grouchy today. All 4 posts I saw were angry.

Hope your day gets better.

When he grows up, he will. It's a waiting game with these angry little kids.

[Funkmasterr]

I don't give a fuck if some angry little prick in Ireland doesn't respect/salute/whatever our flag, but I do care if our citizens don't. If they detest the flag and this country and what it stands for so badly they can get the fuck out and stay out, that simple.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I don't give a fuck if some angry little prick in Ireland doesn't respect/salute/whatever our flag, but I do care if our citizens don't. If they detest the flag and this country and what it stands for so badly they can get the fuck out and stay out, that simple.

It's not their fault Funk. It's our education systems fault for purposely removing patriotism and nationalism from its curiculum. They don't have a respect for their country and what it stands for (or did stand for) because they haven't been taught to. The libs have done everything they could to destroy the fabric of America and they are well on their way to suceeding. I don't see it ever getting better. It will only get worse.

[Leonaerd]

I don't give a fuck if some angry little prick in Ireland doesn't respect/salute/whatever our flag, but I do care if our citizens don't. If they detest the flag and this country and what it stands for so badly they can get the fuck out and stay out, that simple.

It's not their fault Funk. It's our education systems fault for purposely removing patriotism and nationalism from its curiculum. They don't have a respect for their country and what it stands for (or did stand for) because they haven't been taught to. The libs have done everything they could to destroy the fabric of America and they are well on their way to suceeding. I don't see it ever getting better. It will only get worse.

So it's liberals at fault? Here I thought a history of conservative failures in office might have had an influence, too.

[Tyek]

It's because America Sucks!!!!

[Canelek]

I don't give a fuck if some angry little prick in Ireland doesn't respect/salute/whatever our flag, but I do care if our citizens don't. If they detest the flag and this country and what it stands for so badly they can get the fuck out and stay out, that simple.

It's not their fault Funk. It's our education systems fault for purposely removing patriotism and nationalism from its curiculum. They don't have a respect for their country and what it stands for (or did stand for) because they haven't been taught to. The libs have done everything they could to destroy the fabric of America and they are well on their way to suceeding. I don't see it ever getting better. It will only get worse.

A lot of the education issues stem from continuing to teach America's youth lies. Christopher Columbus(actually the fault of Spain, Italy), the pilgrims, slavery, the plight of 'Indians' to name a few. Telling the truth would be a start. Our country has a very large foundation of lies and subversion. Accepting that and moving on would be a good thing, imo.

That is only history--Americans face much larger issues in the present; men's violence, employment, health care to name a few. You can teach all the patriotism and nationalism you want, but when kids begin to realize it is riddled with lies and slight of hand, they will start to question and rebel.

Americans need to realize that patriotism/nationalism is much more than having a flag on your car window and a ribbon magnet on the trunk.


edit: To add clarity, "Accepting and moving on..." I would like to add that I do not want it swept under the rug, but remedied through proper education.

[Animale]

Just because you both hate our country and the soldiers who defend it (Mid and Funk) doesn't preclude the rest of us from loving our country and wanting/working for it to become better. Your negativism will not and cannot stop the alteration of our country for the better.
A big part of that (in my mind) is the rejection of obtuse nationalism as an ideal. The flag waving crowd has been deluded by the powers that be that A) sending our boys overseas to die on false pretenses is patriotic and B) calling for their protection and recall from danger is traitorous. What a load of shit.
The U.S.A. can (and will) be a better place in the future than it was in the past, if you don't think that then maybe you should "get out" and let others lead the way.
Listen, I feel pretty comfortable saying that I know more about our country, what it stands for, and how it got here than the both of you combined. Just look back to the Sedition Acts to see how what you want actually works in practice. It's been done before, and we're now repeating the mistakes of the past (because people like you don't bother to learn history - therefore we are doomed to repeat it). Hopefully our current mistakes will be retired as quietly as that act was.

Animale

[Funkmasterr]

Just because you both hate our country and the soldiers who defend it (Mid and Funk) doesn't preclude the rest of us from loving our country and wanting/working for it to become better. Your negativism will not and cannot stop the alteration of our country for the better.
A big part of that (in my mind) is the rejection of obtuse nationalism as an ideal. The flag waving crowd has been deluded by the powers that be that A) sending our boys overseas to die on false pretenses is patriotic and B) calling for their protection and recall from danger is traitorous. What a load of shit.
The U.S.A. can (and will) be a better place in the future than it was in the past, if you don't think that then maybe you should "get out" and let others lead the way.
Listen, I feel pretty comfortable saying that I know more about our country, what it stands for, and how it got here than the both of you combined. Just look back to the Sedition Acts to see how what you want actually works in practice. It's been done before, and we're now repeating the mistakes of the past (because people like you don't bother to learn history - therefore we are doomed to repeat it). Hopefully our current mistakes will be retired as quietly as that act was.

Animale

I am not even going to try and carry on a conversation with you about this. I have not once agreed with a single thing you have said in the CE forum, I think your beliefs and ideals are ridiculous, and I think you are extremely arrogant. You should get back in touch with my cousin (canid from EQ), you guys would get along great.

[Fash]

Just because you both hate our country and the soldiers who defend it (Mid and Funk) doesn't preclude the rest of us from loving our country and wanting/working for it to become better. Your negativism will not and cannot stop the alteration of our country for the better.
A big part of that (in my mind) is the rejection of obtuse nationalism as an ideal. The flag waving crowd has been deluded by the powers that be that A) sending our boys overseas to die on false pretenses is patriotic and B) calling for their protection and recall from danger is traitorous. What a load of shit.
The U.S.A. can (and will) be a better place in the future than it was in the past, if you don't think that then maybe you should "get out" and let others lead the way.
Listen, I feel pretty comfortable saying that I know more about our country, what it stands for, and how it got here than the both of you combined. Just look back to the Sedition Acts to see how what you want actually works in practice. It's been done before, and we're now repeating the mistakes of the past (because people like you don't bother to learn history - therefore we are doomed to repeat it). Hopefully our current mistakes will be retired as quietly as that act was.

Animale

I thought you were a pretty smart guy, being a scientist at all, but you sir are a fucking retard and a liberal fascist.

The USA will be, and always is, a better place as time progresses. What we could use is more nationalism, more people who love their country, and more people willing to fight and die for it. We could use a lot less officious pricks who do nothing but complain about anything and everything the country does.

[Canelek]

Nationalism can only come about by positive change. The state of our nation cannot get better via blind faith. I don't find it unreasonable to demand something from our goverment to generate pride.

[Fash]

Nationalism can only come about by positive change. The state of our nation cannot get better via blind faith. I don't find it unreasonable to demand something from our goverment to generate pride.

No one is saying it will come about via blind faith. This country is constantly growing and making positive changes, some just choose not to see it, apparently.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Just because you both hate our country and the soldiers who defend it (Mid and Funk) doesn't preclude the rest of us from loving our country and wanting/working for it to become better. Your negativism will not and cannot stop the alteration of our country for the better.
A big part of that (in my mind) is the rejection of obtuse nationalism as an ideal. The flag waving crowd has been deluded by the powers that be that A) sending our boys overseas to die on false pretenses is patriotic and B) calling for their protection and recall from danger is traitorous. What a load of shit.
The U.S.A. can (and will) be a better place in the future than it was in the past, if you don't think that then maybe you should "get out" and let others lead the way.
Listen, I feel pretty comfortable saying that I know more about our country, what it stands for, and how it got here than the both of you combined. Just look back to the Sedition Acts to see how what you want actually works in practice. It's been done before, and we're now repeating the mistakes of the past (because people like you don't bother to learn history - therefore we are doomed to repeat it). Hopefully our current mistakes will be retired as quietly as that act was.

Animale

I thought you were a pretty smart guy, being a scientist at all, but you sir are a fucking retard and a liberal fascist.

The USA will be, and always is, a better place as time progresses. What we could use is more nationalism, more people who love their country, and more people willing to fight and die for it. We could use a lot less officious pricks who do nothing but complain about anything and everything the country does.

Word to my mother.

[Canelek]

Nationalism can only come about by positive change. The state of our nation cannot get better via blind faith. I don't find it unreasonable to demand something from our goverment to generate pride.

No one is saying it will come about via blind faith. This country is constantly growing and making positive changes, some just choose not to see it, apparently.

I am not so sold on tangible positive change in the present, but I do agree that there will always be those who completely ignore change--positive or negative.

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[Bagar-]

LOL I SAW A FLAG TODAY AND CONTINUED NOT CARING. OH SNAP DEPORT ME.

[Markulas]

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... urning.htm

oh god those fucking douchebags can't even be charged with a crime for burning the flag.

[Animale]

Address points or get out.

Do you deny that obtuse nationalism is a bad thing (that isn't to say that ALL nationalism is a bad thing, just blind nationalism to the point of "what we do is right no matter what... because WE do it").

And... a "liberal fascist?!?" For demanding that we take care of our troops (by not practicing torture and providing for them properly when they return from combat) and that misleading the public about the true motivations for sending them into a combat zone in the first place is a bad thing? For demanding accountability from our government on all levels - and believing that positive change can be made from within the government?

I'm just being a good American. Maybe a little too optimistic, but if one isn't then you better get busy dieing. Optimism is the only way forward, particularly since the days are only going to get a bit worse in the short term (especially economically) before they start to improve. The "bad" Americans are those that blindly support what the government does, demand no accountability, and actively WANT the government to keep us in the dark about what they do. The Constitution was written to prevent the government from stepping on our rights, and in the modern world the only way that can occur is to have an open and transparent system of accountability on all levels of government. Nobody within the government should be unwatched by the people or our direct representatives.

To deny transparency in government is unpatriotic. To demand accountability is to love your(our) country. When the government does something wrong, let them know about it... to stay quiet will only end in the destruction of our way of life. If we reach the point where being an "officious prick" is the only way to motivate change in our government then so be it. In that case, being an "offficious prick" is loving your country... one only complains about things you love and want to improve. It's the height of constructive nationalism, the antithesis of destructive, obstuse, nationalism.

Are you unpatriotic? Do you hate America? If you support a secretive government who hides its policies from the people... well, then I think that speaks for itself.

Do you work for the government? The money that I take home comes to me from the feds, so I'm actually working for the betterment of this country directly, at a salary that is far under market rate. I'm DONATING my time and effort for the betterment of this country - I'm serving my country's best interests by doing scientific research that may ultimately lead to energy independence for us and the world at large. I'm helping to train the next generation of scientists who will continue that goal.

I wish I had the time to do nothing but complain, but instead I'm working on making things better.

Go look up jingoism, maybe you'd understand my arguments then. Hint: jingoism isn't a good thing.

Animale

Edit: Also, go look up "fascism" and "liberalism." You'll find that they are diametrically opposed ideals, so putting them together is pretty darn stupid. Maybe that was your point.

[Nick]

liberal fascist

hahahaha

[Xatrei]

liberal fascist

hahahaha

You'll be hearing a lot more of this from right-wing knobs. Jonah Goldberg, a far-right disciple of William F. Buckley and all around nut-job, has written a new book called Liberal Fascism. It's currently a popular source of talking points for right wingers who swallow any and every crazy notion crapped out by the right wing's punditry machine.

[Fash]

What Hillary and Barack have in store
By Jonah Goldberg

The most common left wing definition of fascism is "when business runs the government." Historically, this is basically nonsense. But that hasn't stopped liberals like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from saying it over and over again.

But if we are going to go by that definition, conservatives in the U.S. are hardly the fascists. The principled conservative position is that the free market should rule the day. Businesses are never "too big to fail" and corporate welfare is folly. In all honesty, we must admit that many Republicans fail to live up to these conservative principles. But what are liberal principles? They are simply this: corporations should be "progressive." Government should regulate corporations heavily as a means of using big business as another branch of the state. Hillary Clinton wants "public-private partnerships." She believes that businesses must collude with government in providing universal healthcare to the point where it's impossible to tell where the government begins and business ends. She has contempt for entrepreneurs and small business. When it was pointed out to her that "Hillarycare" would hit small businesses while enriching big corporations, she replied that she couldn't worry about every under-capitalized business in America. Barack Obama, meanwhile, talks incessantly about how government must police the "patriotism" of corporations. His definition of "patriotism" in this regard seems extremely elastic.

We've seen something like this before. Woodrow Wilson implemented a form of "war socialism" during WWI. Big Business and government worked seamlessly together under the auspices of the War Industry Board. Industry rigged the system for its own benefit, with the approval of government. When the war ended, the American people rejected Wilson's war socialism, but Progressive intellectuals didn't. They proclaimed "we planned in war" and, hence, felt they should be allowed to plan the economy during peacetime as well. They looked enviously at Fascist Italy and, even more so, the Soviet Union. These were the sort of grand "experiments" they wanted to conduct here at home. "Why," Stuart Chase asked in his 1932 book, A New Deal (which many credit with originating the phrase) "should the Russians have all the fun of remaking a world?"

They finally had their chance under the New Deal, where FDR - a veteran of the Wilson Administration - tried to recreate what the Progressives had wrought during the war. When Hugh Johnson -- the head of the National Recovery Administration, the centerpiece of FDR's New Deal - took office in 1932, one of the first things he did was hang a portrait of Mussolini on his wall and started handing out pro-fascist literature to FDR's cabinet.

The left has told us that the New Deal rescued the little guy, the "forgotten man." But in reality it prolonged the Great Depression and served as a boon to Big Business.

For example, Clarence Darrow was charged with studying the effects of the NRA. In "virtually all the codes we have examined," he reported, "one condition has been persistent . . . In Industry after Industry, the larger units, sometimes through the agency of . . . [a trade association], sometimes by other means, have for their own advantage written the codes, and then, in effect and for their own advantage, assumed the administration of the code they have framed." We may believe that FDR fashioned the New Deal out of concern for the "forgotten man." But as one historian put it, "The principle seemed to be: to him that hath it shall be given."

The fundamental mistake Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards and company make is that they assume "clamping down" on corporations will lessen the role of big business in politics. The reality is exactly the opposite. Microsoft had nearly no lobbyists in Washington DC until Washington DC decided to go after Microsoft. Now, Microsoft has an enormous lobbying operation. Walmart is the same story. Once big business discovers that it's profit margins are determined in Washington, big business focuses on Washington.

Perhaps more importantly, really big corporations like regulations. Coca-Cola can pass its costs onto the consumer. But smaller business are not only hurt by regulations, they are also prevented from competing with the big boys because those regulations serve as a "barrier to entry."

The great "fascist bargain" with big business goes something like this: The government promises corporations market share, a lack of competition and reliable profits in exchange for compliance with its political and ideological agenda. Today big corporations hold up their end of the deal. They buy into global warming (often at a profit) they agree to all the tenets of diversity-mongering and affirmative action. They cast themselves as "Progressive" corporate citizens and in exchange we get economic policies that punish entrepreneurs and inhibit free markets.

This is as it should be according to the Progressives, the New Dealers and today's Democratic Party. And whether you want to call it fascism is up to you, but it fits what liberals have been saying about fascism to a T.

Just to give an example of what Xatrei's talking about... This is by Jonah Goldberg... I don't believe everything they say, thanks, but I do find a lot of it interesting. I don't care enough to fact check it, but it seems a pretty logical comparison of history to current events.

[Ashur]

I applaud Animale's posts.

Quick question: Are they made over wi-fi from the Code Pink crowd outside the Marine recruiters? Gotta kick those unwelcome Nazis outta the homeland dontcha know

[Sueven]

This is by Jonah Goldberg

Keep in mind that Jonah Goldberg is the guy who is desperately trying to make the notion of 'liberal fascism' part of the political lexicon. His career is staked on it. And he's doing a pretty good job so far.

The argument taking place about Jonah's book, and the arguments in Jonah's book, and the arguments of most of those trying to argue against Jonah's book, are more of the same polarizing nonsensical bullshit that has marked pop political commentary since I've been old enough to pay attention.

I'm not saying that whatever it is he's talking about isn't something that is worthwhile to discuss, just that quoting Jonah Goldberg to demonstrate that liberalism is like fascism (as opposed to being bad in some other non-fascist way) is not overly convincing or valuable.

[Ashur]

... or intelligible!

[Sueven]

Back to the topic:

How's Ron Paul's presidential campaign doing these days?!?

... oh, he had to 'scale back' his campaign so as to prevent himself from losing the primary for his House seat? Whoops...

[Sueven]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/ ... n_paul.jpg

[Sueven]

While I'm being an asshole and bumping this thread to mock Ron Paul, I'd like to emphasize that this is in jest and I have as much respect for Ron Paul supporters as I have for anybody else

[Fash]

I'm Sueven!

[Sueven]

I do look a little bit like that right now, actually... although my hair's still dark, my beard and hair are a little shorter, and I'm not capable of making that face. Plus we have different soul patches. And noses. We might have similar cheekbones, although it's hard to tell with that face he's making.

So in conclusion, we both have beards.

[Jice Virago]

While I'm being an asshole and bumping this thread to mock Ron Paul, I'd like to emphasize that this is in jest and I have as much respect for Ron Paul supporters as I have for anybody else

So you don't respect anyone? /drumfill

Anyhow, I can't remember who this quote is attributed to, but I think it applies very well to the arguments in this thread:

"When Fascism comes to the United States it will be draped in a flag and carrying a cross."

I agree Hillary is a fascist (she is practically a neocon) and McCain is at least an enabler of fascism, but Obama and Ron Paul would not fit under that heading.

[Xatrei]

"When Fascism comes to the United States it will be draped in a flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis.

[Sueven]

Important update: I shaved my beard this morning. The similarities are now fewer

[Winnow]

those are Charles Manson eyes

[Noysyrump]

Wait, this one's guuuwd.