Please move the following thread to the archive!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 1, 2007, 4:44 pm

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... f=1&t=7008

Comedy gold!

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 1, 2007, 5:16 pm

hehe... was just checking it out and noticed, i actually don't know who TheMachine was... somebody clue me in?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 1, 2007, 6:17 pm

Has some good posts... Can probably delete the last 4 pages though.

kyoukan wrote:if I was a guy with a soft, silky-smooth, 10 year old boy like ass like aranuil I wouldn't want atokal within 50 feet of me either.

I hope he carries a rape whistle!

Best post in the thread!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 1, 2007, 7:12 pm

Yeah, this one can be moved to the archives for topics:

-bannings
-Furor
-PK IRL

I learned from scanning the thread to call Xyun a Sandnigger. Not that he cares but it will piss off kyoukan.

Best picture from the thread:

Best use of Cart in a flame:

devereaux wrote:Seriously dude, I've read all your flames and the only semblance of coherent thought in all of them seems to be calling everyone else flames weak, which your unoriginal ass probably borrowed from Cartalas.

Unban Cart!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 1, 2007, 7:57 pm

11 pages of LOL!

I must have been in VV rehab at the time. I surely would have thrown in a few irrelevant comments if I was around.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » August 1, 2007, 9:19 pm

That was seriously hysterical. Xyun now has a special place in my heart for all his flaming abilities.
My question is, why exactly the Machine had to lock a post like that? Aren't threads like that the entire purpose of VV existing? Why exactly would you lock it at that point? I could see that thread banking on two more good rants before it finally extinguished.
And is the identity of the Machine still a closely guarded secret? Or has he been unmasked before and I just missed it.

There were plenty of posters in there that I haven't seen in a long time, that makes me sad.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 1, 2007, 10:10 pm

Probably because the last few pages more more about hate than teh funny.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 2, 2007, 1:24 am

Can probably clean that up a bit, then repost as abridged funny.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 2, 2007, 11:20 am

the shaq still rules the paint

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » August 2, 2007, 10:57 pm

I didnt realize that you could get Miller Lite in DK...... if I had known I wouldnta drunk all that Tuborg crap

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 4, 2007, 2:26 am

was Firestarter ever identified?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 4, 2007, 12:10 pm

Ransure wrote:I didnt realize that you could get Miller Lite in DK...... if I had known I wouldnta drunk all that Tuborg crap

Are you seriously trying to say ANYTHING Miller is better than Tuborg? I know Tuborg is like the Miller of Europe, but come on. At least it's a beer!

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » August 4, 2007, 1:41 pm

Ransure wrote:I didnt realize that you could get Miller Lite in DK...... if I had known I wouldnta drunk all that Tuborg crap

you drink light beer? AMERICAN light beer? You are no longer DOKU: your nature is true to the old Peter Pan pics of you there used to be,

Post by **Sylvus** » August 6, 2007, 12:15 pm

I don't understand the hostility toward American light beer. Sure, there are tastier beers out there that I also enjoy, but what the Brits, Canadians, Scandanavians and whatnot don't understand is that in America it gets hot and sunny sometimes, and there's little that is more refreshing than an ice-cold, mass-produced, inexpensive beer that uses rice in the brewing process than your thick, room-temperature, 900 year-old recipes.

Stop being snobs, there's room for both in the world! I love authentic Italian and Mexican food more, but Olive Garden and Taco bell also have their merits. I love a good microbrew or an import, but Bud Light is also delicious and refreshing and easy to find at virtually any Liquor Store or Bar in this country (and many others). I'll go out on a limb and say that it's probably easier to find Anheuser-Busch products worldwide than any other brand. Am I wrong?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 6, 2007, 12:34 pm

Well said Sylvus. (unless you're also including Miller in this!)

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 6, 2007, 12:59 pm

I gotta agree on a hot day and a frosted mug of PBR.

There is a time and place for cheap American swill!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 6, 2007, 2:27 pm

Not a fan of most of the American beers. I think that Shiner Bock is one of the few American beers I can stand, although I do not claim to have tried all of the micro-brews available. I still prefer to frequent places with more choices of good imported beers like BB Rovers and the Walburg Restaurant. (even though their websites suck)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 6, 2007, 4:10 pm

When you're shopping for beers, there's a better chance of getting musky old beer when going for the rare stuff than grabbing a case of bud light that was brewed a couple weeks ago with quality American tap water.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » August 6, 2007, 4:17 pm

I agree with sylvus. I enjoy a lot of fine beers and microbrews, but nothing beats a cold bud light on a hot day. It is great for getting drunk as well as staying hydrated! (yes, I am aware of what I just said) The thought of drinking a delicous guiness while doing anything outdoors is nauseating enough not to even attempt it, I don't care what those commercials say.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 6, 2007, 4:24 pm

There's a lot of middle ground between Bud Light and Guiness

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 6, 2007, 7:13 pm

Winnow wrote:When you're shopping for beers, there's a better chance of getting musky old beer when going for the rare stuff than grabbing a case of bud light that was brewed a couple weeks ago with quality American tap water.

Maybe that is the case where you shop, but not where I do

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » August 6, 2007, 11:45 pm

Aslanna wrote:There's a lot of middle ground between Bud Light and Guiness

Insert any beer you want into that equation. No beer is more satisfying on a hot summer day than good old fashioned shitty American beer. Possible exception is Yuengling. As cheap as bud light, but way more superior. Alas, Ohio doesn't carry it, so my statement stands.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 11:50 am

Sylvus wrote:I don't understand the hostility toward American light beer. Sure, there are tastier beers out there that I also enjoy, but what the Brits, Canadians, Scandanavians and whatnot don't understand is that in America it gets hot and sunny sometimes, and there's little that is more refreshing than an ice-cold, mass-produced, inexpensive beer that uses rice in the brewing process than your thick, room-temperature, 900 year-old recipes.

Because mass-produced American lite beer is shit.
Complete and utter shit.
When I drink beer, I don't want to put shit like propylene glycol alginate, corn syrup, chemically modified hop extracts, myloglucosidase, papain enzyme, liquid sugar and potassium metabisulfite into my body.
They put that shit into lite beer because without them, it would taste even worse.

On a cold day, I'll take any european (especially German) beer over mass-produced north american swill.
German beers are required by law to contain nothing more than malt, hops, yeast and water.
On a hot day, gimme an ice cold German pilsner or lager!

Stop being snobs, there's room for both in the world! I love authentic Italian and Mexican food more, but Olive Garden and Taco bell also have their merits. I love a good microbrew or an import, but Bud Light is also delicious and refreshing and easy to find at virtually any Liquor Store or Bar in this country (and many others).

If you are happy eating and drinking shit, who am I to argue.

I'll go out on a limb and say that it's probably easier to find Anheuser-Busch products worldwide than any other brand. Am I wrong?

Outside of the US and Canada (and maybe Japan), I doubt it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 7, 2007, 12:08 pm

I personally like Olive Garden and don't consider it 'shit' but hey we're all unique. It all comes down to personal preference. Live and let live. What do people get out of deriding what others are enjoying?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 7, 2007, 12:15 pm

I also agree that the light beers are fine once in a while, I don't like really strong bitter beer and I can't drink beer warm so that rules a lot of them out for me. My favorite is Premium Grain Belt, which is brewed here in MN, but that's me.

The Italian food thing is something I'm not a fair judge of, because I've had authentic Sicilian cooking my whole life, and can personally cook better spaghetti than places like Olive Garden/Macaroni Grill/whatever. There are some good authentic places around here, which are good but they are uncommon. That is really the case with most things though, it just boils down to preference, but I can't personally eat that crap, so I understand where Miir is coming from - just not why he is getting upset about it!

Edit: On topic with the thread - I thought that thread was great too, however it seems to me like furor used his weakest material when he posted here. Still good for a laugh though.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 7, 2007, 12:21 pm

Also note I'm not commenting on how 'authentic' or not their fare happens to be. I just find some of it tasty. And their house wine isn't too terrible either for the price. Obviously if you know of a small authentic place that would be a better choice.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 7, 2007, 1:19 pm

miir wrote:When I drink beer, I don't want to put shit like propylene glycol alginate, corn syrup, chemically modified hop extracts, myloglucosidase, papain enzyme, liquid sugar and potassium metabisulfite into my body.
They put that shit into lite beer because without them, it would taste even worse.

Where did you get those ingredients? According to the label of a Bud Light, its ingredients include:

Water, barley, malt, select grains, yeast and hops.

I'm pretty sure the "select grains" include the rice that they use, but I don't see anything about any of the things you mention, which the FDA usually requires on the label.

/edit: please note that I'm at work right now, and that's all I could find through a couple google searches. I'll look more closely when I can get to a bottle of it. Did you have one in your fridge??

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 7, 2007, 1:48 pm

Sylvus wrote:Where did you get those ingredients? According to the label of a Bud Light, its ingredients include:
Water, barley, malt, select grains, yeast and hops.
I'm pretty sure the "select grains" include the rice that they use, but I don't see anything about any of the things you mention, which the FDA usually requires on the label.

Apparently they aren't required to list all the ingredients. Enjoy your chemicals!

http://www.thefoodass.com/2006/08/03/whats-in-my-beer/

Although according to one of the comments someone wrote the company and asked what was in Bud LIght and got the following back:

Bud Light is brewed using water, yeast, hops, barley malt, and rice – nothing else. Unlike some Miller beers, Anheuser-Busch products do not contain any artificial ingredients, additives, or preservatives.

Sounds like Miller is the evil company.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 7, 2007, 2:01 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Sylvus wrote:Where did you get those ingredients? According to the label of a Bud Light, its ingredients include:
Water, barley, malt, select grains, yeast and hops.
I'm pretty sure the "select grains" include the rice that they use, but I don't see anything about any of the things you mention, which the FDA usually requires on the label.

Apparently they aren't required to list all the ingredients. Enjoy your chemicals!

http://www.thefoodass.com/2006/08/03/whats-in-my-beer/

Although according to one of the comments someone wrote the company and asked what was in Bud LIght and got the following back:

Bud Light is brewed using water, yeast, hops, barley malt, and rice – nothing else. Unlike some Miller beers, Anheuser-Busch products do not contain any artificial ingredients, additives, or preservatives.

Was that an edit? Because I was just coming back to own you on that one!

I know Miller was specifically mentioned earlier in the thread, but no one should drink that swill! I've only been talking about Budweiser.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 7, 2007, 2:01 pm

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_356b.html

Anheuser-Busch claims that Budweiser contains only natural ingredients: water, barley malt, rice, hops, yeast, and tannin, an anticloudiness agent that is mostly removed from the final product. They say there's no chicken hearts or anything else. On the other hand, Miller, Anheuser's chief competitor, uses quite a bit of chemical goo.

We can prove this by performing the following easy 'n' fun test for the presence of foam stabilizers. Get two clean beer glasses, and into each put one drop of milk diluted 70-to-1 with water. Then pour Bud into one glass and Miller into the other. Unless the manufacturers have changed their formulas in the last couple weeks, the head on the Bud will die like a dog within two minutes (which it should--even a tiny trace of milk is deadly to beer foam), whereas the one on the Miller won't, indicating the presence of false drugs.

The preceding exercise in handy home chemistry is supplied by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a consumer group based in Washington, D.C., that recently made a not-very-successful effort to get manufacturers to voluntarily reveal their ingredients. I don't mean to single out the Miller company, but you may be interested to know that Miller Lite contains propylene glycol alginate, water, barley malt, corn syrup, chemically modified hop extracts, yeast, amyloglucosidase, carbon dioxide, papain enzyme, liquid sugar, potassium metabisulfite, and Emka-malt, whatever that is. I would venture to say that light beers as a class tend to have more additives than others, simply because they'd be totally flat and tasteless otherwise.

Beer is like water. You usually end up preferring what you grew up with. When you travel or move and the flavor changes, you do not find the new taste to be right. Personally, I would rather drink piss than the super dark crap that the germans put out. Beer is not meant to be chewed.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 2:10 pm

There is no US law requiring corporations to list all the ingredients on alcoholic beverages.
If they list any at all, it's probably a selective list which doesn't include the chemicals and preservatives.
If you search a bit, you can find all the shit that they put into their beer.

I personally like to know the ingredients that are in my food and drink... and I go out of my way to eat/drink organic food and try to steer clear of shit that is loaded with preservatives. It has a lot to do with how my body reacts to it. I believe I've mentioned it in previous VV discussions about food (specifcally processed cheese).

If I have 2-3 random Canadian or American mass-produced type beers, I start to feel bloated, full and sometimes nauseous. If I drink a large quantity of said beer, I'm most likely gonna feel like shit the next day. By comparison, if I drink 2-3 european beers, or Canadian/American micro/craft brewery beers, I feel great! Even consumed in excessive amounts, I never feel bloated or full. Rare are the hangovers from pure beer.

As for chain restaurants like Olive Garden... I've been there a few times and the food isn't terrible. But if I want real Italian food, I will make it myself or go to a proper Italian restaurant where they make their sauces from fresh ingredients and use fresh pasta. I make all my sauces with tomatoes from my garden and with fresh herbs. My parmessan is ground fresh and my pasta is almost always homemade.
If you've ever had a proper home-cooked Italian meal, I'm sure your opinion of Olive Garden would be a lot different.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 7, 2007, 2:11 pm

That was an edit! I had two of them...

Anyway, I don't get the "...super dark crap that the germans put out. Beer is not meant to be chewed" line. Not every german beer is like that. People always say Guiness is thick but when I tried it I didn't really think so. It's not my preference but it seemed drinkable to me. Also, Guiness is from Ireland not Germany but I'll assume you weren't referring to Guiness.

Germany has a wide variety of beers which can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_beer

I'm sure there is a variety out there for everyone from pale to dark. Stop stereotyping their beverages!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 2:16 pm

I would rather drink piss than the super dark crap that the germans put out

I think you're mistaken.... Germans are known for Pilsners and Lagers... not Stouts.

That's not to say that there aren't any german stouts. Hell, there are even american breweries that make stouts.
I'm not sure why but when anyone mentions european beer the first (and last) beer that comes to mind is Guinness. I personally don't really like guiness.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 7, 2007, 2:44 pm

Even without knowing the chemical details of Miller, I knew it was shit!

Isn't the slogan of Miller "The champagne of Beers"?

...and just like bad champagne, it give bad hangovers besides tasting bad.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » August 7, 2007, 2:51 pm

Winnow wrote:
Isn't the slogan of Miller "The champagne of Beers"?

Only Miller High Life...are you living the High Life?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 7, 2007, 3:08 pm

miir wrote:If you've ever had a proper home-cooked Italian meal, I'm sure your opinion of Olive Garden would be a lot different.

A) I have. It was so authentic the sauce was called gravy. Beat that, Ragu! and B) no it wouldn't. Because as I said it has nothing to do with the 'authenticness' of the food. I don't suddenly say "omg I could use some real authentic Italian food I'm gonna get me down to Olive Garden!"

I don't see why people can't make the distinction.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 7, 2007, 3:13 pm

I can totally see the point you are making Aslanna, all I am saying is that personally I would rather spend the 12-15 hours it takes me to make spaghetti then drive down to the Olive Garden for dinner.

There is nothing better than the feeling of satisfaction when you can sit down and eat it, plus if you do a good job and other people like it that's always nice too

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 3:17 pm

Are you Italian, Funk?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 7, 2007, 3:21 pm

Yes, my grandparents came here from Lipri, Sicily. My grandma always cooked a lot of traditional stuff and still does, plus the two traditional Italian restaurants I know of in the area are owned by friends of my grandpa's - and he sells them all the herbs they use. So whether I go out or eat in, I have always had it good

Plus I made a point to learn how to cook everything years ago

You?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 7, 2007, 3:25 pm

Big name American beers (in general) don't have much flavor or character, if mediocrity is your thing they're just fine. Beer on a hot summer day? Gogo dehydration, it takes more water to process the beer than you get from it.

Most of the big chain restaurants are decent enough, they just aren't authentic.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 3:36 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Yes, my grandparents came here from Lipri, Sicily. My grandma always cooked a lot of traditional stuff and still does, plus the two traditional Italian restaurants I know of in the area are owned by friends of my grandpa's - and he sells them all the herbs they use. So whether I go out or eat in, I have always had it good Plus I made a point to learn how to cook everything years ago

You?

I dub thee Funkmaestrro!

I'm Hungarian but my dad is married to an Italian Newfie, my mom is married to a German and my wife is Greek... I have a lot of different european influences in my cooking.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » August 8, 2007, 4:51 pm

Haha! I didnt realize that I started all of this

I was kidding... I love Tuborg and Carlsburg... but when I got back to the states I did reeducate myself to drink the pisswater that is miller lite.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 10, 2007, 6:56 pm

I only have one question:

Is Aranuil's ass still silky smooth?

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2007, 12:50 am

masteen wrote:I only have one question:

Is Aranuil's ass still silky smooth?

Ask atokal.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 11, 2007, 5:43 am

I don't drink beer often but when I do I prefer a few mexican brands like Tecate and Corona, with salt and lime! Not a big fan of european beers simply because it seems a lot of them go out of their way to make it extra bitter. Heineken is tolerable.

As far as that thread goes, it's pretty good but that's not even my best stuff. Rewind a year or two and I had a lot more angst. I remember dropping quite a few bombs in the "Ixtlan is the SCUM of Veeshan" thread that I've searched for numerous times. It has got to exist on some archive somewhere, I hope. I'd give my left pinky toe to read that one again.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 11, 2007, 1:20 pm

miir wrote:
masteen wrote:I only have one question:

Is Aranuil's ass still silky smooth?
Ask atokal.

oh lol!

Neziroth · Post by **Neziroth** » August 11, 2007, 8:38 pm

I don't drink beer often but when I do I prefer a few mexican brands like Tecate and Corona, with salt and lime! Not a big fan of european beers simply because it seems a lot of them go out of their way to make it extra bitter. Heineken is tolerable.

If you've never tried Pacifico or Negra Modelo (might be spelled wrong) then you're missing out huge, especially if you're a mexican beer fan. Pacifico is the lighter of the two I'd say, its similar to corona but has way more flavor.

mmmmmmm