Battlestar Gallactica - The Final Five?

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » March 11, 2007, 5:51 pm

[Show]: I assume, like Homercles, that she ejected before the ship imploded. There was a very clear scene of her hand on the ejection lever/handle, and all the stuff with Leoben and her mother seems sort of... pointless... if she was a Cylon.

Sure, no human could survive under that kind of pressure (a ship implodes, but a human doesn't only several feet higher?) but I don't think this show has ever been one to meticulously follow laws of physics.

In short, a lot of the writing and backstory doesn't support her being a Cylon, and if she's a human, that death would have been fucking stupid. I'm going to have to assume the raider saved her somehow. I hope anyway.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 11, 2007, 6:38 pm

This episode pretty much debunked my old theory that she was one of the final five. The appearance of a mother makes her unlikely to be one of the original five cylons. Unless it was all a mind game by Leobon, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see when she pops up again.

[Show]: There's no way she can be dead. To kill off a major character so integral to the plot with no purpose behind her death? That's Television Blasphemy. We'll be seeing Kara Thrace again.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 11, 2007, 7:36 pm

[Show]: Just because she has memories of a childhood, doesn't mean it actually exsisted. Her "childhood" could have been programming. If so, maybe the abusive nature of her childhood was intentional (to make her who she is as a human). Maybe it was faulty programming (the mother who pushes, but pushes too far)...Didn't someone say the final 5 "lost their way" or something? Regardless, the appearance of the mother doesn't necessarily mean she ever existed.

Unless it was all a mind game by Leobon,
It wasn't him in her "dream," just the image of him (Remember her saying "You aren't Leoben" and he said yes and admitted he was just there to guide her, etc etc.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » March 11, 2007, 7:46 pm

[Show]: I guess my point is that if she was a Cylon, then the whole "coming to terms with her past" bit is rendered pointless. Half the episode would be wasted.

Furthermore, if her memories of her mother and her going some sort of military training academy were all part of her programming, don't you think this inconsistency with reality would have been brought up at some point within her *actual* military service i.e. before she was assigned to the Galactica?

Unless I'm missing something, there's no way she could be a Cylon without some fucking disgusting plot holes.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 11, 2007, 8:10 pm

[Show]: Something I had tossed around is that she is the spawn of one of the final five. Her aforementioned father hasn't yet made an appearance; all we have of him is music. Maybe he was one of the final five, and he hooked up with Starbuck's mom. He left, she became bitter, and pushed her daughter too hard. It's pretty far out there, but I still believe that Starbuck is somehow related to the Cylons. Maybe she sees Leobon in her head just like Baltar sees Six. They aren't 'really' there, but in Starbuck and Baltar's heads, the Cylons do exist, at least on some level.
Or I'm overanalyzing it and Starbuck went psycho. We'll see I'm looking forward to tonight's episode, I want to see how Baltar gets out of this one.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 12, 2007, 12:11 am

"I'm a business man. Roots in the community."

I love Badger. Having him as Baltar's defense attorney is a great addition to the show. Plus, the character is very manipulative. Did you guys catch the bit at the end about turning Lee and Adama against one another? He's gonna steal quite a few of the scenes he's in, I guarantee it.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 12, 2007, 9:52 am

They removed her name from the credits.
Usually they are too lazy to do this midseason.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 19, 2007, 2:57 pm

I watched all 19 episodes of season three over the past few days.

Having skipped season two, it still wasn't hard to get back into the show.

Some notes:

-Why do they show a 5-10 second burst of what happens in the episode about to be aired right after the opening credits? I didn't know they did that and it ruined an episode for me. After that, I averted my eyes.

-I don't want to exaggerate but the amount of alcohol consumed in this series has to be a record. It beats Deadwood in that department and comes close to beating Deadwood for the number of times Fuck/Frak is said per episode (could be a drinking game!)

That said, the series is excellent. Obviously, I'm hooked. You can sense the "filler" episodes but they're still well worth watching and typically make a statement about a current affair in our present day lives.

[Show]: There's no doubt Starbuck is a Cylon. Her visions, combined with all that time with the Cylon, pretty much clinch it. In the last two episodes, they're clearing the way for Lee Adama to get back together with Starbuck down the road as her husband is getting friendly with the new pilot recruit (can't remember her name) and Lee Adama's wife left him over the trial of Baltar.

I'm thinking Adama Sr may be a Cylon. He seems to have lots of "visions". There are other subtleties with Adama Sr that make me think he's a Cylon.

Baltar is a great character. He's a Cylon as well IMO. Baltar can "mentally" visit Number Six as well as the other way around as he's been doing the last few episodes she's been in prison.

My candidates for the final five, no sleeper picks yet:

Baltar
Starbuck
Adama Sr

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 3:20 pm

Why do they show a 5-10 second burst of what happens in the episode about to be aired right after the opening credits? I didn't know they did that and it ruined an episode for me. After that, I averted my eyes.

Somewhere in the commentary they explain its an homage to another show. I can't remember which one, but I don't think it was something I had heard of before. They took it out for a few episodes (maybe half a season) of Season 2 but added it back. Guess people missed it an complained, but I know they took it out because people complained it was a spoiler. No pleasing everyone!.

I personally love it and was upset when I saw the first episide that didn't have it (thrilled when it came back). Most of the shots are so short I don't feel it gives much away, especially when you have no context. For me it starts the show out with a high intensity vibe.

You are doing yourself a disservice by not watching season 2. It was an amazing season even though the last episode made me feel like I got cheated out of a year of the crew's life. Season 3 pales in comparison. It's still one of the best shows on TV, but its starting to feel more like "television" than one long kickass fast-paced movie.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 19, 2007, 5:12 pm

It was a show called Space 1999 I think. I personally hate the glimpses of the episode and close my eyes for them, even when watching the episode again on DVD. Luckily it is easy to tell when they're over by the music

The skipped ahead a year in the end of the 2nd season pissed me off too, but I think it was more because it was so jarring. In retrospect you find out about what happened with most of them during that year anyways, so it works out. But yeah, I remember seeing the "1 year later" or whatever note appear and saying out loud "What the fuck?".

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » March 19, 2007, 5:31 pm

unrelated to the final five, but related to the show itself:

[Show]: I think my favorite scene ever was the one early this season when the Battlestar dropped into atmosphere to launch fighters before jumping away when aiding the break out. The tactic was cool as hell. I think I watched it a few times before I deleted the episode from my dvr.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 5:38 pm

My favorite episode is the one where Lee has to complete a tough mission without Starbuck (her leg was fucked up) and how everyone doubted that he could pull it off like she could. I tear up every time he tosses that lighter to his dad at the end.

Or maybe its the one where Starbuck crashes on that planet and finds the cylon ship.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 19, 2007, 11:09 pm

My fav episode has got to be "Pegasus". Besides having the coolest music in the series yet, the showdown between Admiral Caine and Adama near the end gets my heart pumping everytime I watch it.
Boogahz, that was a great scene. It was so cool to see a ship falling in the sky and then...poof...just disappear.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 11:33 pm

Kaldaur wrote:My fav episode has got to be "Pegasus". Besides having the coolest music in the series yet, the showdown between Admiral Caine and Adama near the end gets my heart pumping everytime I watch it.
Boogahz, that was a great scene. It was so cool to see a ship falling in the sky and then...poof...just disappear.

Yeah "Pegasus" was great. They could have kept Caine around a little longer I think. They initiated and resolved that whole plot really quickly!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 20, 2007, 1:39 am

No kidding. Especially considering the death of Caine was the sole motivation in giving Lee a commanding job...which he promptly lost when Pegasus went out for lunch against the Cylons. Michelle Forbes is such a badass, I wish they would have kept that tension between the two commanders going.

Of course, Caine dying put Adama back in command. I doubted the show would have done as well if Adama was suddenly relegated to a subordinate position.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 20, 2007, 3:30 am

Lalanae wrote:You are doing yourself a disservice by not watching season 2. It was an amazing season even though the last episode made me feel like I got cheated out of a year of the crew's life. Season 3 pales in comparison. It's still one of the best shows on TV, but its starting to feel more like "television" than one long kickass fast-paced movie.

I grabbed the season 2 episodes tonight and will watch them over the next few days. If they're better than season 3 as you say, I need to watch them.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 22, 2007, 7:40 pm

Good news for BSG Season Four:

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: TV Week
Mar-21-2007

It won't come back until January at the earliest, but "Battlestar Galactica" fans do have something to celebrate now: A 22-episode fourth season. But the question remains whether this back-nine pickup is good for the show, or bad.

The 22-episode order includes the two-hour telemovie that has been talked about for some time, which will air in the fall on SciFi Channel as well as a direct-to-DVD release, with the other 20 episodes beginning in 2008, TV Week reports. Ratings have been down during BSG's third season, and there was some fear -- especially after SciFi Channel moved the show to Sunday nights -- that the future of the show would be iffy at best.

A pickup such as this can mean only one of two things. SciFi Channel has a lot of confidence in the show to continue another 22 episodes, or this is going to give producers enough time to wrap up the show. (See previous story)

If this order is completed, this will make "Battlestar Galactica" 79 episodes long, if the miniseries and the upcoming telemovie is broken up into separate episodes, moving into the range of a decent syndication package that could be offered to television stations.

The announcement does come just days before the highly anticipated third-season finale of the show. "Battlestar Galactica" airs Sundays at 10 p.m. ET on SciFi Channel.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 22, 2007, 11:29 pm

I am all for this show wrapping up after four seasons. The last thing I want BS to become is a dead-on-arrival show hanging onto its seventh season. If this upcoming season is going to be the last, I know that the writers will make it the best season ever, and every episode will have me on the edge of my seat.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 23, 2007, 11:31 am

It was originally planned for a 5 season arc, so hopefully that's what we'll get.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2007, 10:14 pm

Im watching episode 6 of season two as I write this. Watching the second season is well worth it. I now see what happened to Starbuck while under the care of the Cylons. (extra scar)...the thing is, if she's a Cylon, implanting something in her wouldn't matter as she's dead now and has most likely been reborn on a Cylon regen ship.

The Boomer/Athena thing is clearing up a bit as well.

Side note: The shaky cam is a bit out of control in season two. The camera motion and zoom in and outs have me a bit bothered. Nice to see that was reduced slightly in season three. i don't mind the technique, just a bit much at times.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 24, 2007, 10:22 pm

The Season 3 finale is tomorrow. Every critic who has watched it has rated it a 9 or 10, so that's good. Apparently, someone is going to die or be revealed as a Cylon. Any bets? I'm thinking D is going to kick it or be a Cylon.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2007, 10:38 pm

I'm thinking the best cliffhanger they can have is showing Starbuck either alive or reborn somewhere. If "reborn" that would take care of revealing a Cylon.

Outstanding show!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 24, 2007, 11:30 pm

Just read that there is a spinoff "Caprica" in the works. Not much info on it out there, but looks like April 2008 according to imdb.

Wiki entry

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 24, 2007, 11:32 pm

and UGH, it looks like the 4th season won't premier until January 2008. That's so long!!!!!

(((

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 26, 2007, 10:05 pm

Season Finale was excellent!!

[Show]: Not sure if I believe that Anders, Tori, Tigh, and Tyrol are all really Cylons, but if they are there's still one left! Starbuck's reappearance wasn't a total surprise, but a fitting ending.

FYI, the song was Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower"

Waiting until Jan 2008 will be difficult

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 26, 2007, 10:28 pm

I think Caprica is more or less shelved at the moment. Hopefully it'll pick back up. Now, on with the finale:

[Show]: Hot damn! The part where it showed the 4 wandering towards the room mumbling excerpts of the song was awesome. Lee's speech was great. The scene in the jail cell with Laura, Athena and Six was excellent.

I don't really know what to think in terms of where it left things. Are those 4 Cylons, or is that just the assumption they came to in an attempt to explain how it was happening to them. Are they something different? Perhaps they are the Lords of Kobol. Perhaps the Lords of Kobol were Cylons. All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. Were there "Cylons" before? Did they create the humans? And then the humans created the newer Cylons?

The choice of song. Other than being one of the best uses of a song in a tv show I've seen, what's the significance of it? It's an Earth song. They all seemed to know it. Did they come from Earth? Was it just some signal being sent to them, a trigger? Is the choice of song a foreshadowing of the coming season?

The connection between Laura, Athena and Six. I don't think she's a Cylon first of all. I think she's become something of a hybrid because of the transfusion from Hera and it's created a bond. Also, Baltar was in the opera house in the dream at the end. Was he part of the shared experience, or was it not really "him".

The power failure. What caused it? Was it the Cylon fleet, or were they affected as well? Are those even the Cylons that have been chasing them or are they maybe from Earth?

And of course Kara. I'm not even sure if I believe she was real and not some imaginary one in Lee's head, kind of like how Baltar/Six are. I thnk everyone knew the episode would end with her big reveal tho

So many thoughts about what's going on, and we have to wait till two thousand and fucking eight to see what happens next!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 26, 2007, 10:32 pm

And wasn't that Bono singing it? I read a report today from the director who said they really are Cylons but didn't elaborate on the Starbuck thing, maybe she is, maybe she isn't...

He also said though that these are fundamentally different from all other Cylons and how they were different would be played out next year.

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 26, 2007, 11:23 pm

i thought the season finale was weak

this is my favorite TV show in a long time too...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 27, 2007, 1:26 am

I just noticed that there's going to be a 2 hour special episode this fall that takes place between season 3 and 4, so we will get a little something before 2008. It's not much but it's something!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 27, 2007, 1:45 am

Woooo!!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 27, 2007, 3:47 am

The Season finale, up until the very last part, was good. Nice speech by Lee Adama.

Starbuck could end up being a conscious thing for Lee Adam like Six is with Baltar although he did see a bogey on his radar.

Overall, the last episode seemed rushed. A lot of confusion for sure but the drama seemed to be lacking.

I still have seven more episodes of season two to enjoy. I hope season four doesn't get out of hand.

Since the fleet is dead in the water, I wonder if Starbuck has something to do with the Cylons wanting to get to Earth along with the humans (cooperatively) instead of competing with them...dunno, but something's whacky. The fleet should be destroyed if the Cylons were able to cut the power to all the ships. The power was also restored without the aid of the humans. With all ships losing and gaining power at once, it seems the Cylons are in control of them atm.

The biggest question for next season (if there is going to be a fifth season) is what year will it be on Earth when they get there and can they pump out another 22-23 episodes after finding Earth? If Starbuck knows where Earth is, I can't imagine it taking them more than next season's 22 episodes (plus the two hour special) to find it!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 27, 2007, 5:53 pm

The power came right back on when the four "realized" they were Cylons. Maybe a coincidence...maybe not.
I really loved the finale. I thought the courtroom scenes were great, and Lee's speech is one of my favorite moments from the show.
As for Starbuck...she came and went on Draedus, so who knows if she is actually there.
Tigh as a Cylon...that's irony for ya.

10/10, can't wait till next year.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 28, 2007, 12:44 pm

When they first jumped there weren't any Cylons there. My guess is that the Cylon fleet set off an EMP pulse then jumped in. Once their jump was completed 4 of the final 5 knew who they were...

I'm also betting that this Cylon fleet is made up of the final 5s and is competing with the other 7 models. These are the hybrids that are more human, they beat the "Cylon" test right? The Dir, said these guys were fundamentally different so I may be wrong. It may be that the final 5 are truly just the final 5 and there aren't copies of them... who knows.

Marb

Post by **Xouqoa** » March 28, 2007, 1:49 pm

I don't think I can wait until 2008, but I know I'll have to. What torture.

I wonder when that 2 hour movie thing will come out. Hopefully some time in the middle to tide us over until January.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » March 31, 2007, 3:24 pm

Great season ending

Loved Lees speech, and it looks like were finally gonna get some confirmations on who are cylons enough.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 1, 2007, 11:36 am

The upcoming fourth season of Sci Fi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica" will be its final one after all.

After months of speculation, the show's producers are set to make the announcement at a press conference Friday.

Ending "Battlestar" with the upcoming 22-episode fourth season was a creative decision made by the hit show's executive producers Ronald Moore and David Eick.

"This show was always meant to have a beginning, a middle and, finally, an end," Eick and Moore said in a statement Thursday. "Over the course of the last year, the story and the characters have been moving strongly toward that end, and we've decided to listen to those internal voices and conclude the show on our own terms. And while we know our fans will be saddened to know the end is coming, they should brace themselves for a wild ride getting there -- we're going out with a bang."

The fourth and final season of "Galactica" will kick off in November with "Razor," an extended two-hour episode, with the rest of the season slated to run beginning in early 2008.

Sci Fi executive vp original programming Mark Stern said the channel's brass "respect the producers' decision to end the series."

For months, Sci Fi had dispelled rumors about "Battlestar" ending its run after the fourth season.

A couple of weeks ago, one of the show's stars, Edward James Olmos, was quoted as saying that the upcoming batch of episodes were definitely the last ones. Sci Fi issued a statement denying such a decision had been made.

Sigh

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » June 1, 2007, 11:43 am

Well, ill rather have it end after season 4, than have it just drag on and be cancelled without an ending.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » June 1, 2007, 3:53 pm

BG has had some narrative pacing issues, imo, so maybe this is the best thing, as much as I will be sad to see it go. The Season 2 story line was rushed and the Season 3 story line felt like it lost a lot of its steam. Better that it go out while its still a great narratively-focused show.

God, I will miss that sexy Lee Adama though...

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » June 1, 2007, 11:17 pm

I'm ambivalent. I want it to go on forever, because this is my favorite show on TV. Yet, as I said above, I'm glad because this way it goes out on top. Four seasons is enough to tell the story they wanted to tell. We'll find out about Earth, we'll find out about the Cylons, and we'll get answers to everything we need to know, all in the next 22 episodes. That's exciting and saddening all at the same time. Oh well, I can't wait till January.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » June 26, 2007, 11:02 am

Here's a thought. Do you guys remember way back in the beginning when Roslin was getting into the prophecy stuff, and her cancer became more pronounced? She talked about how "a leader was supposed to bring them to the promised land, but they wouldn't make it there." or something of that regard.
Well, Roslin has been thinking that she was this leader that was talked about, but as we all know, prophecy is pretty murky. What if Baltar is the leader that is going to lead them to the promised land, and he's the one that ends up dying? That's God's plan for him, to lead his people to salvation, resulting in his death? It would give Baltar, one of the best villians ever, a chance to be redeemed. The extra bonus is that Roslin gets to live as well and settle down with Adama and have lots of cute, raspy voiced babies.
It's just an idea, I haven't checked the forums or anything for any possible correlation. I was watching the mini series again recently, and that popped into my head.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » June 27, 2007, 10:22 pm

Interesting theory. I buy it. Would certainly give a nice twist to Baltar and Roslyn.

Oh and LOL at the "cute, raspy voiced babies" comment

Edit: the more I think about it, the more I like it. I love a villian that redeems himself in the end. Good reason to justify my fantasies...and yes, I think Baltar is hot in that revenge fuck kind of way.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 6, 2008, 2:08 pm

BSG Razor Spoiler:

[Show]: The Hybrid: Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end, she is the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death, and she must not be followed.

This thread was buried four pages deep!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 6, 2008, 2:20 pm

When is the Premiere?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 6, 2008, 2:50 pm

First week of April I believe!

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » March 6, 2008, 3:00 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:First week of April I believe!

Have all the episodes been taped? i.e. will they air through the series finale, or did the strike only allow them to tape part of the season?

Also, Dish Network really needs to launch there next satellite so I get Sci-Fi HD =O

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