Battlestar Gallactica - The Final Five?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 20, 2006, 1:48 pm

Eric and I have been keeping up with Season 3 via downloads and saw the latest episode last night. I now think the 3 most evil words in the English language are "to be continued..."

Anyhoo, anyone care to theorize about the final five and who they might be? Do you think at least some of them might be familar faces? Any guesses?

Do you think Gaius is one of them? I don't. I think it just strokes his ego to think he might be.

Interested to hear what other people think.

P.S. That hybrid creeps me out, but always reminds me of Minority Report...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » December 20, 2006, 4:18 pm

I don't think Gaius is. I was going to say I thought Tigh's wife was one, but then I thought about it. I'm not totally sure how long the Cylon's have been able to take human form, but it would have had to be for a long time if she was one since her and Saul had been together for a long time. I can still see them trying to pull it off to bring her back in some form since she was very good at being an obnoxious bitch you wanted to strangle

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 20, 2006, 5:45 pm

Something's been bugging me since the mini. The scene where Gaius and 6 are walking through a courtyard on the grounds of the Ministry (or at least very near), Gaius leaves, and 6 meets an unknown person, obviously in league with her. This person was never revealed right? The "known" cyclons do not know who the final five are though right? So, whoever she was meeting wasn't one of the final five?

I know that Laura was there because of her flashback later on in the series, but I don't know if her flashback served as anything more than exposing Gaius' connection to 6.

If the stranger was one of the known 7, then I find it odd they wouldn't have eventually revealed this person.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » December 20, 2006, 6:23 pm

Yeah, that season ending (i assume it was the last episode this season) was EVIL.

[Show]: As for who the final 5 could be, i would put Starbuck high on the list. First of all, it would be great shock value, since shes one of the main cast, she fit the age range to be a cylon, she dont have any family to vouch for her not being one (like the Adamas do). On top of that, she survived one on one fights with Caprica, when its shown earlier that Cylons got some very serious strenght, seem to recall some prisoner more or less trashing the cell and doing some massive damage and frightening people. Caprica could have ripped Starbucks head clean off if she wanted (unless cylon female versions would have less strenght than males, but that wouldnt make any sense).
And the cylons mention that the last 5 are unstable, or problematic/bugged somehow, and looking at Starbucks behaviour could also indicate some problems, since she clearly got a lot of issues

And i doubt Gauis is a cylon. He is too human, too weak, to be one, AND he didnt get killed by the disease on the ship he explored, and they would have exactly 0 reason to not tell him the truth by now, after hes been on their ship so long, and they know he cant get back to humanity.

Doubt Helen Tigh was/is one, as you say, we dont know how long she and Saul have known each other, but the cylons only left mankind alone for 40 years, and when the truce was set, cylons was still only the chrome toaster type, doubt very much they have been able to do it more than 10-15 years max, and it seems to me that Saul and Helen have known each other longer.

Not sure who else could be one, all we know are that we can rule out the following:
Laura Roslin, (due to her cancer and it being cured by half cylon blood
The Adama family, due to family relations, and Adama being targetted by the cylons.
Saul Tigh, too old, and had former relations with Willam Adama.
Helo, since his baby are half human.
Cally (the chiefs wive), since she gave birth, and know from Boomers birth that the cylons didnt bother fixing the internal organs on the females to actually make it able to work properly.

From this, most of the main cast are eliminated, so i would assume either Starbuck (as mentioned above) or Galen Tyrol (chief) would be one, since it would be boring if not at least one of the last 5 would be one of the main cast members. And baby is not mentioned to have gotten any medical tests to check for cylon blood, so that could be half cylon without them knowing.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 20, 2006, 9:04 pm

I'm with you on the Starbuck thing except that her father was a composer. It was never clarified is he was a "known" composer or not though, so it still could just be back-story-programming...but the music had to come from somewhere. Also the broken fingers thing, mentioned in the episode where she was at the "baby farm," where its implied that her mother did it to her when she was a child. I guess anything could be worked around though.

Are they still using the Cylon detector? Last I remember, Gaius stopped "letting it work" so he wouldn't be hasseled by positive results, but did they getting it working again? I may have missed something, like I missed the birth thing you mentioned. I need to start the series over and watch more carefully!!

For some reason, I keep thinking that President Adar is going to resurface, even though I have no logical explanation beyond his relationship with Laura & friendship with Gaius. Laura was with him during his first political campaign, which implies he was around a long time. Too public of a figure also, but something still

There's always Billy... I was pretty bummed when they killed him off, so that could be wishful thinking.

I like the Chief angle. There's always Dualla, although not sure if I'd call her a major player.

or....it could be Chuckles!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » December 20, 2006, 10:19 pm

I think Billy will turn out to be one. He was a nice kid, a good guy who cared about his friends...didn't they say that these final five are defective/missing/on their own? It would make sense, since Billy's death seemed so...pointless. It was merely a set up for D and Lee to get together, just so we could have conflict between him and Starbuck. Billy was worth more than that, damnit!

Maybe wishful thinking on my part.

Gaius? No way. They've played it up too much now. For it to be true, that Gaius was a cylon, there would be no shock value to it. We'd just say, "Ok, we saw that coming," and move on from there. Besides, the whole "I'm the only human on this ship, I'm losing my mind" would lose its effect if Gaius did turn out to be a cylon. I don't want it to be the chief either, because I love him. Of course, I loved Billy too, but they offed him

So what do I know.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » December 20, 2006, 10:21 pm

Oh, and that was the last episode of the year. In 2007, Battlestar will be back at a new time on Sundays at like 9pm central time. They did this last season as well: split the season into two parts, Season 2.0 and Season 2.5. They will be doing the same thing this year. As far as I know, season 3 was picked up by Sci-Fi for a full 20 episodes, so come January (21st I believe) we'll be back in the action.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » December 21, 2006, 11:33 am

I keep coming back to Lt. Gaeta (sp). Sure its already been explored (cylon sympathiser), but hes always had access to sensitive areas within Galactica and down on Caprica 2. Sure he helped the human on the planet, but I still think he's a good possibility for a sleeper cylon. We have no background history on him.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 21, 2006, 2:00 pm

I LOVED the scene when Gaeta was being interviewed by the documentary filmaker cylon. He was so cute smoking a cigarette and showing his tattoo! I've had a little crush on him ever since lol.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » December 21, 2006, 3:11 pm

Interesting theories. BSG is my favorite show and I have watched it faithfully since inception. I am not sure who the final 5 are. I do think that there could be a good chance Gaius is one of the final 5. My reason for suspecting him is his recurring dreamlike relationship with Caprica.

Remember the episode earlier this season where Caprica appeared to him and explained how Cylons do not merely daydream, but they can project themselves into an entirely different environment as if it were real? That's what's sort of happening every time Caprica appears to Gaius.

Just my two cents.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 21, 2006, 3:20 pm

Moonwynd wrote:Interesting theories. BSG is my favorite show and I have watched it faithfully since inception. I am not sure who the final 5 are. I do think that there could be a good chance Gaius is one of the final 5. My reason for suspecting him is his recurring dreamlike relationship with Caprica.

Remember the episode earlier this season where Caprica appeared to him and explained how Cylons do not merely daydream, but they can project themselves into an entirely different environment as if it were real? That's what's sort of happening every time Caprica appears to Gaius.

Just my two cents.

Didn't he do the same and appear to her in at least a couple episodes as well?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » December 21, 2006, 3:43 pm

Moonwynd wrote:Interesting theories. BSG is my favorite show and I have watched it faithfully since inception. I am not sure who the final 5 are. I do think that there could be a good chance Gaius is one of the final 5. My reason for suspecting him is his recurring dreamlike relationship with Caprica.

Remember the episode earlier this season where Caprica appeared to him and explained how Cylons do not merely daydream, but they can project themselves into an entirely different environment as if it were real? That's what's sort of happening every time Caprica appears to Gaius.

Just my two cents.

Hehe, thats one of the reasons i dont think he will be a cylon, way too obvious

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » December 21, 2006, 6:12 pm

Yes Boogahz, the episode where they wake Caprica 6 and Boomer in season 2 Gaius does make an appearance in Caprica's head. As far as I knew, the reasons behind this connection hadn't been explained. Interesting if the communication exists between cylons on a subconscious level. But then again, all the Cylon interaction we've seen has been vocal communication, so I'm not sure if Caprica-Gaius talking to each other in their minds has any merit to him being a Cylon.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » January 29, 2007, 11:34 am

Gaeta Gaeta Gaeta!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » January 29, 2007, 2:48 pm

Lucy Lawless' character saw the Final five, and recognized one of them. Who will it be? I'm banking on Starbuck. Her "visions" on the eye of jupiter seem too coincidental. She certainly seems like she has some off-kilter programming, too. Just look at the way she acts.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 29, 2007, 4:06 pm

Kaldaur wrote:Lucy Lawless' character saw the Final five, and recognized one of them. Who will it be? I'm banking on Starbuck. Her "visions" on the eye of jupiter seem too coincidental. She certainly seems like she has some off-kilter programming, too. Just look at the way she acts.

I wonder if her apology to the one she addressed was a personal apology or a general apology. It FELT personal, like someone she may have directly harmed in some way or another. I think that there is a good chance Starbuck is one of the final 5. She's been through a lot of personal shit at the hands of the cylons, so it would make sense that Lawless's character would be so apologetic.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » January 29, 2007, 4:13 pm

Kaldaur wrote:Lucy Lawless' character saw the Final five, and recognized one of them. Who will it be? I'm banking on Starbuck. Her "visions" on the eye of jupiter seem too coincidental. She certainly seems like she has some off-kilter programming, too. Just look at the way she acts.

I was thinking along the same lines, then got really mad thinking that she was. Maybe it's because I can't stand Starbuck at all. Actually, the series in general is getting kind of bland for me. Love triangles are kinda meh.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 29, 2007, 4:20 pm

What's the name of the robot dog in Battlestar Gallactica? Muffit? I bet he's the main cylon spy.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 29, 2007, 5:33 pm

[Show]: Adama is a Cylon.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » January 29, 2007, 5:39 pm

Lol, people have been saying that since the beginning Ashur. If that happens, I will personally donate all of my VVs to the SavetheWorldwithVVs.com website.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 29, 2007, 5:47 pm

It would be possible if you could make the case that he was created before the first cyclon war, some 40 years before the time of show.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 29, 2007, 6:19 pm

[Show]: I have never watched this show.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » January 30, 2007, 2:21 pm

Fair enough.

[Show]: yeah, but if that was the case, Lalanae, then Lee and Zach would have been the first children by Cylons. I thought the whole thing about Hera was that she was the first baby conceived of a union of human and Cylon.
Of course, I guess if these Final Five are rejects or banished, then the Cylons wouldnt' have known what they were up to, and so theoretically, Lee and Zach could have been the first without anyone knowing. Still, I think there are too many problems with the idea that Adama is a Cylon. He fought against them, so he would have had to have been in place over 40 years ago to fight against them, back when they didn't have the humanoid models. Also, aren't Cylons just created? Adama has aged. He didn't get married looking like he does now. His sons have watched him grow older. The Cylon models are just created, but their internal clocks don't operate the way ours do. That's why they're all identical, no matter if a model has been around for 20 years or 20 minutes. Adama would have gone through 40 years of aging, and that's not something the Cylons appear to be able to do.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 1, 2007, 11:23 am

I'm leaning towards either Starbuck or the Chief. I'm gonna need to watch the series again some time and see who exactly Deana has had interaction with because her apology did seem personal to me. The Billy line of thought would be interesting, but I'm thinking it's not.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 1, 2007, 2:38 pm

Yeah, like I said, it's wishful thinking on my part. I really liked Billy, and I got pissed that they did what they did just so D could hook up with Apollo.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 1, 2007, 4:09 pm

So I wonder what Gaeta's big secret it, the one Gaius referred to?

I really hope it isn't that "he's gay". That would be so . . . soap opera

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 1, 2007, 5:21 pm

Kaldaur wrote:Yeah, like I said, it's wishful thinking on my part. I really liked Billy, and I got pissed that they did what they did just so D could hook up with Apollo.

Actually, it turns out the actor playing Billy left because he got a pilot.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 12, 2007, 8:15 pm

[Show]: This weeks episode was great. Was awesome seeing an episode devoted to Helo. He's probably my favorite character on the show. The guys been through tons of shit and has a lot of potential for growth. I gotta admit tho, everytime Bruce Davison does a guest spot in a show, I secretly hope he's misunderstood and is actually a good guy. The poor man is always playing some kind of snake!

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » February 13, 2007, 11:34 am

You like Helo? I can't stand that jackass. I want him airlocked. Self righteous, holier than thou, do-gooder piece of shit. I hope Sharon goes Cylon on his ass and emotionally destroys him.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 13, 2007, 12:20 pm

Homercles wrote:You like Helo? I can't stand that jackass. I want him airlocked. Self righteous, holier than thou, do-gooder piece of shit. I hope Sharon goes Cylon on his ass and emotionally destroys him.

well he's already whipped, so she sort of emotionallly destroyed him.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 13, 2007, 12:55 pm

I love what they did with Helo in Season 1. Here we have a guy that was in the miniseries for a grand total of eight or nine minutes. He's in the beginning, then he stays behind on a planet. Minor character, we assume, and he's gone.
Yet when Season 1 rolls around, a good portion of each episode is devoted to his wanderings on Caprica. I had a great time trying to figure out what exactly what his purpose, up until Sharon was introduced to him. That's one of the things that got me hooked on Battlestar. His storyline appeared disjointed at first, and it was a fun mystery trying to determine why he was on the show.
I wish when he had shot her, she would have stayed away. That was an emotional scene, and the resolution was she just reappeared? Hoo boy, that took away from the sacrifice he made.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 13, 2007, 1:40 pm

Helo wasn't supposed to be part of the series. He was just supposed to appear in the mini, and that's it. They weren't planning on going back to Caprica to see what happened to him, until they got a lot of feedback about it. People wanted to know what happened to him, so they brought his character back and developed a plot around him. I think it was a great move. I loved the storyline between Helo & Sharon on Caprica, and the weirdness with Chief when they returned to Gallactica.

I'm pretty neutral about him, but I haven't seen this last episode yet, so maybe my opinion will change.

Personally I am mostly drawn to characters like Starbuck and Gaius, who I love one minute and hate the next.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 13, 2007, 4:30 pm

That's interesting Lalanae, because the plotline with Hera is central to the current story. Gaius in the first season thought constantly of the child, the entire line of Number 3's (Lucy Lawless) was locked away because of the path the baby put her on. That child has been a focus of the story, and it's all because fans liked Helo

I love how television stories work.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 13, 2007, 5:53 pm

DVD commentary ftw!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 18, 2007, 1:08 pm

Lalanae wrote:DVD commentary ftw!

I'm going through season 1 again with the commentary this time, and you're totally right. I did like it more when it was RDM and David Eick tho. 1 person can get a bit slow. Plus you know, them drinking while doing the commentary helped the amusement factor

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 19, 2007, 1:03 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
Lalanae wrote:DVD commentary ftw!
I'm going through season 1 again with the commentary this time, and you're totally right. I did like it more when it was RDM and David Eick tho. 1 person can get a bit slow. Plus you know, them drinking while doing the commentary helped the amusement factor

Not sure if you noticed but almost every commentary is interrupted by some back ground noise like lawn crew, his kids, dog, etc. Its kind of annoying.

But yeah, having the same person for EVERY commentary is dull. I like commentaries that mix it up and include the actors too.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 19, 2007, 2:03 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:
Lalanae wrote:DVD commentary ftw!
I'm going through season 1 again with the commentary this time, and you're totally right. I did like it more when it was RDM and David Eick tho. 1 person can get a bit slow. Plus you know, them drinking while doing the commentary helped the amusement factor
Not sure if you noticed but almost every commentary is interrupted by some back ground noise like lawn crew, his kids, dog, etc. Its kind of annoying.

But yeah, having the same person for EVERY commentary is dull. I like commentaries that mix it up and include the actors too.

Yeah. The Firefly and Buffy commentaries are almost always great because of the mix they get on them. The background noises didn't bother me too much, when it first happened with the phone ringing I was like what the hell? It sounded a lot like my phone, but it wasn't ringing ><

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 19, 2007, 5:11 pm

re: last nights episode

[Show]: Was a pretty disposable episode, nothing to do with the main storyline at all. Was still enjoyable tho. I was hoping they'd kill Kaly off, haha. I started out liking her but now I just find her kind of annoying. Duala too in fact! Yeah, I probably butchered those names.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 19, 2007, 5:31 pm

Blasphemy. Cally is my girlfriend. You're right that it was a standalone episode, but as for disposable? Nah, I don't think so. Why do we love the show so much? Is it because it's humans versus robots? Please, you could watch hundreds of shows with that premise, or read a book by Isaac Asimov. We watch the show for the characters. I for one am glad that Adama had an episode centered around him. It's about time he returned to the limelight.

And maybe it's just me, but does anyone think it's endearing and cute when Adama and Roslin flirt with each other? I know the two real life actors (Olmos and McDonnell) have worked together on a few projects, and the chemistry they bring to the show makes it that much more enjoyable.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 19, 2007, 5:34 pm

Down boy, down. I said I enjoyed it, but that doesn't stop it from being a disposable one-shot that is independant from the over-arching storyline. And yes, annoying!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 19, 2007, 5:38 pm

Lalanae...I was just rereading a post of yours, and it made me wonder.

I'm with you on the Starbuck thing except that her father was a composer. It was never clarified is he was a "known" composer or not though, so it still could just be back-story-programming...but the music had to come from somewhere.

I don't know why I didn't think of this before. I'm a music major, so I listen very carefully during the show for the music that Bear McCreary writes. When Starbuck and Helo are on Caprica, they listen to her father's music. It is a piano piece that repeats fairly frequently. It's very soulful and aloof.

Flash forward a year to when Baltar is being held on the Cylon vessel. Do you remember the music that was used everytime the ship was shown/when Baltar was inside? Piano music, almost exactly alike in key and style to what Starbuck's "father" composed.

Now, it could just be a red herring, or I could be reading too much into it, but the type of music, the same instrument being used, the sadness inherent in the music. Both pieces bear too much similarity to just be a coincidence.

So maybe Starbuck is a Cylon, and her father is just backup coding.

I know I may be reading too much into it, but for a show that put prophecy in the first few episodes, and then two seasons later uses that same prophecy, we can't rule anything out.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 19, 2007, 5:55 pm

I think you're reading too much into it personally, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Right now I'm thinking it might be the Chief or Anders. They could also throw us for a loop and make it be someone like Jammer.

Also, with this weeks episode:

[Show]: Why was Helo a pilot again? Did I forget something with the last episode where he got demoted or something?

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 19, 2007, 9:54 pm

The only reason I mentioned it is because the show uses music to convey a sense of a character. Think of Six's asymmetrical beat; Roslin and Adama's theme music, a string piece in 3/4. Baltar has his music, Lee and Adama have the bagpipes. The show's composer, Bear McCreary, uses music to convey character. That's why I think there are similarities between Starbuck's "father" and the Cylons.

I did see the image of Helo as a pilot. Maybe he's being moved up from the dregs since he proved himself to be capable in rooting out the Sagitauron problem. Maybe letting him fly again, instead of sitting in a desk, is a reward for his good work.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 19, 2007, 10:09 pm

Kaldaur wrote:I did see the image of Helo as a pilot. Maybe he's being moved up from the dregs since he proved himself to be capable in rooting out the Sagitauron problem. Maybe letting him fly again, instead of sitting in a desk, is a reward for his good work.

See, I saw his "desk job" as a promotion. I mean, he was the fracking 2nd officer during the whole New Caprica deal. Did you like that? I swore like in the show!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 20, 2007, 1:00 am

Yeah, but Lee was commander of a ship. He got "demoted" when the Pegasus lost its wings. Maybe Helo's assignment was a temp. job, and once the problem of the influx of refugees came under control, he went back to flying.
Or, maybe the writers are idiots

Edit: I liked the swearing, it added content knowledge to your post. 7/10

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 26, 2007, 11:53 pm

[Show]: Good episode this week. They've really been playing Tyrol up lately. 2 episodes in a row for a secondary character? I wonder if they have something big in store for him soon. HMMM. As long as it doesn't end up in him dying. Speaking of dying, with the foreshadowing of the raptor at the start I was afraid they were gonna kill off Racetrack. WHEW. I'm really getting tired of shows feeling they need to keep killing off characters to keep it more "interesting".

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » March 5, 2007, 11:25 am

[Show]: Did they just kill off Starbuck??
I was caught offguard by that move. I expected her to pull out at the last moment like usual.
They did show her hand on the Eject handle. Maybe she yanked that before the explosion and that Ghost Raider snagged her out of midair.
No way they could kill her off!

Also, anyone notice that the medallion on her moms plaque had a slight resemblance to the Eye of Jupiter

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 5, 2007, 2:54 pm

I couldn't believe it.
That can't be her fate. Nope, no sir, I do not approve.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 5, 2007, 3:51 pm

[Show]: I'm sure she'll be back in some capacity. It's looking like she's the cylon I guess. I'm a little bummed about it all tho.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » March 11, 2007, 5:15 pm

[hide]Yeah, that was quite a nasty surprise there, i guess shes the Cylon, they cant just have killed her of like that.[/hide]