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Boogahz wrote: Then maybe you could try not being so fucking bitter about everything for once.
Criticizing a flawed show for it's flaws isn't being bitter. Bitter is like when your Dad looks at what you've become and just shakes his head.

If you don't want to hear my opinion than Image. I could not possibly guarantee you more that I will not miss having to read your whiny fucking shit every time you reply to me.
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Boogahz wrote: Then maybe you could try not being so fucking bitter about everything for once.
Criticizing a flawed show for it's flaws isn't being bitter. Bitter is like when your Dad looks at what you've become and just shakes his head.

If you don't want to hear my opinion than Image. I could not possibly guarantee you more that I will not miss having to read your whiny fucking shit every time you reply to me.
Your post came across as if the creators of the show were personally attacking you for letting it be aired, and that is why I said you shouldn't "waste your time with something you obviously don't like." Oh, I know...you have to use insults to try to get ANY point across. It's tired. Try something new next time.

Yes, you did point out the flaws in the show, and I agreed with you that they should not have made what they have shown stretch through two episodes. I guess you didn't read past the first sentence though. The way they are handling the powers is something that generally isn't done in the "typical" superhero show which is also why I referred to the Wildcards series.
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I can get my point across fine. I insult you because I dislike you.
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kyoukan wrote:I can get my point across fine. I insult you because I dislike you.
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I found two promotional mini comics that explain a little more about the Heroes storyline. They were paid for by Nissan and are only 6 pages long each after removing the Nissan front page ad. The art is by Michael Turner so nice to look at.

Issue one covers a little of Mohinder's childhood and also explains how he ended up a taxi car driver (someone guessed correctly already in this thread)

Issue two covers Hiro (japanese guy) right after the end of episode two. spoiler:
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I'm not sure is this is part of what we'll see in episode three or not but it explains why he's called "Hiro" and a little about his past and his newfound resolve after seeing the nuclear explosion in the future.
If you aren't a comic geek, these two issues are .cbr files which means you need CDisplay to view them.

http://www.cdisplay.net/?page_id=2

It's a very small app that basically takes rar and zipped files of jpegs and gifs and reads them sequentially. If you don't want to use CDisplay for some reason, just rename the extention from .cbr to .rar and you can extract the images using any rar handling app.

Heroes 1-2 ~25mb

Cover image (not a spoiler but hidden to save space)

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Winnow wrote:
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I'm not sure is this is part of what we'll see in episode three or not but it explains why he's called "Hiro" and a little about his past and his newfound resolve after seeing the nuclear explosion in the future.
[hide]Lemme guess...Hiro as in Hiroshima?[/hide]
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i watxhed it to see what everyone was masturbating over, but i couldn't get past the cheerleader from odessa, texas. there are no hills in odessa, you can see for 20 miles in every direction. i didn't hate the show, and i'll probably give it another try, but it wasn't spectacular.

i was surprised to see seithyr in it, i didn't know he liked the backstreet boys.
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Syenye wrote:i watxhed it to see what everyone was masturbating over, but i couldn't get past the cheerleader from odessa, texas. there are no hills in odessa, you can see for 20 miles in every direction. i didn't hate the show, and i'll probably give it another try, but it wasn't spectacular.

i was surprised to see seithyr in it, i didn't know he liked the backstreet boys.
You know...IRL there are no Heroes with special powers....maybe in the alternate HEROES world there are mountains in Odessa!
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Winnow wrote:You know...IRL there are no Heroes with special powers....maybe in the alternate HEROES world there are mountains in Odessa!
good to see that the odessa girls are all still kinda trashy even in the alternate world!

we watched the second episode, mostly because we had already downloaded it and we'd already seen the SVU on at the time. i have to admit that we'll probably keep watching it for the lol factor if nothing else. some of the super powers are way cooler than others.
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the chick with the psycho mass murdering alter-ego has by far the crappiest super power ever. i mean, that's not even a super power, it can be achieved with a lot of drugs. but at least she got a new car.
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Episode three spoilers:

[hide]I'm liking the telepath police guy. He reminds me of a fat Keanu Reeves for some reason.

Best scene of the whole show was the last 5 seconds with Cheerleader girl on the autopsy table with her chest wide open. She says "Holy Shii" then was cut off. Cool stuff! Looks like she can survive a spike stuck in her brain and being "dead" for several hours.

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It was more shock the value than the special effects!

I thought the episode moved along a little slow so we're sure to hear some more whining from the usual sources after this one but I'm ok with the pace.

Episode four needs to start bringing a few of these heroes together though. With cheerleader girl coming back to life, her dad will have to step in so that should move the story along.[/hide]
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That end scene was really fucked up but cool.

I really like this show. Next episode I think they will start bringing people together more. That sylar looks like a real bad ass.
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i like the policy guy too... he was a favorite of mine on felicity and alias.
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So it looked like from the previews for next week, the black guy that mind-reader cop saw at the bar was with the cheerleader's dad, like working with him. Is one of them Sylar? I don't think we know for certain, any speculation? Or did I miss something?

And does it appear that perhaps Sylar has a mixture of different powers? He got shot and healed, he has some kind of telekinesis, and he disappeared/flew away after he healed up after being shot. He also got his whole apt. cleaned up (in NY, when he was in LA originally) so maybe he has space/time powers too?
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I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.

Personally I am glad that this show is taking off so well. I like it a lot. I am interested in seeing how all the things are brought together. Once they do though are we going to have to wait through a year of personality conflict within the group and such shit like that.

I like how it seems that each "hero" has their own sidekick in some way.
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The date that the Japanese guy travelled to was November 8th and it looks like the current date is ~October 2nd or 3rd, so they have a little over a month (TV Time) to get organized and save the day.

Any speculation on who Sylar is? He had the same map as Mohinder's dad on his wall and his dad seemed to have a few of his possessions...anyone think that Mohinder's dad may have run some experiments on himself, went mad, and is actually Sylar himself? I doubt this is the case although we never got to see a body. At the least, it's possible Muhunder's dad is still alive being kept by whoever's running the operation that the cheerleader's dad is part of.

The cheerleader's normal life appears to be over. The guy she liked tried to rape her and it's doubtful she can explain away coming back to life so I'm wondering if she's going to still be running around in a cheerleading outfit or if we'll see her in regular clothes from now on. I'm also wondering if she'll try and take revenge on the guy or blow it off as she seems bent on trying to kill herself anyway.
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Winnow, they showed a preview of next weeks episode at the end, and in that preview they should the girl in the car with the kid that tried to rape her, and she grabbed the wheel and was going to drive the car into a wall.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
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Winnow, they showed a preview of next weeks episode at the end, and in that preview they should the girl in the car with the kid that tried to rape her, and she grabbed the wheel and was going to drive the car into a wall.
Cool : ) I missed the previews for next week.

Was she in a cheerleading outfit?
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That much I can't remember, but I think so.
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They also showed that the black dude and the cheerleaders dad capture someone and have them tied down or something
But thats as much as I remember.
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I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.
Where exactly are people bitching about character development taking too long?

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miir wrote:
I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.
Where exactly are people bitching about character development taking too long?

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Firefly? hehe
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Bubba Grizz wrote:I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.
There's a difference between well paced character development and me having to sit through a 3rd hour of Whiny Emo Faggot bellyaching about flying and trying to fly and thinking about flying and dreaming about flying and doing everything but actually fucking flying. GET THE FUCK ON WITH IT. It is going to be season nine and he'll be wandering around new york, constantly on the verge of tears and whining about being able to fly or not.
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kyoukan wrote:It is going to be season nine and he'll be wandering around new york, constantly on the verge of tears and whining about being able to fly or not.
Is this on the WB?
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kyoukan wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.
There's a difference between well paced character development and me having to sit through a 3rd hour of Whiny Emo Faggot bellyaching about flying and trying to fly and thinking about flying and dreaming about flying and doing everything but actually fucking flying. GET THE FUCK ON WITH IT. It is going to be season nine and he'll be wandering around new york, constantly on the verge of tears and whining about being able to fly or not.
That's some funny stuff. I'm thinking he can't fly at all and his brother levitated him..
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Flyboy is the worst character so far IMO. I understand they're working on the "famous person hiding his powers" angle but so far, the politician's brother has just been annoying without adding much to the story as a whole.

It's refreshing to see his brother acting exactly like politicians do though...totally screwing over everyone, including their family, for political gain. It cracked me up to see him offer his brother a job and telling him outright that "it will make me look like I care about my family". lol
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Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
I find it funny that people who normally are bitching about poor character developement are now bitching about it taking too long to develope the characters.
Where exactly are people bitching about character development taking too long?

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Firefly? hehe
Yeah, I made a point of criticizing Serenity for having zero fucking character development... but to be honest, the lack of any tangible storyline so far in Heroes makes it feel like the show is going nowhere.

It might turn into a decent series but there's nothing compelling me to keep watching... except the slim possibility that I might possibly miss something semi-interesting if I don't watch the next 3 (or 6) episodes.
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People are discovering they have powers. Mohinder's dad had discovered this, was working on finding out why, where and who but was interrupted by being killed or so we're led to believe.

Some person with powers named Sylar was also looking for or had found some of the same things as Mohinder's dad, and he is also going around killing people. He's already confronted at least psychic-cop guy, who appears to be one of the heroes.

Cheerleader's dad also has nefarious designs dealing with the "Heroes" that are popping up, and with Mohinder's dad. He's encountered Mohinder.

Mohinder is trying to pick up his dad's research, and has learned of Sylar and visited his apartment, where craziness ensued.

Hiro (who visited the future), as well as heroin addict who paints the future, agree that there's about a month until some kind of horrible armageddon scenario occurs. Hiro's friend visit's split-personality girl's website, the two of them are on their way to Vegas (because the future comic book told them to go there) and split-personality girl is near Vegas, so it's probable that they will encounter each other there.
That's just what comes to mind right now, I certainly haven't covered everything. Couple that with the character development for like 5-8 characters, and I think it's a pretty decent amount of storyline for 3 episodes.

What's a show that you do like? How far did it get in the first three episodes?
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Sylvus wrote: What's a show that you do like? How far did it get in the first three episodes?
Lost

By episode three, people discovered they had crashed and were running around on an island confused...or was that in episode 40? It's light years ahead of where Heroes is at this point!
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What's a show that you do like? How far did it get in the first three episodes?
There's very little on TV that I would consider wasting my time watching. Random sitcoms or dramas that I can sit and watch and be entertained for 30 or 60 minutes is all I ask for.

Tried to watch an episode of Lost and couldn't stand it.... I had no idea what was going on. I've seen a few episodes of Prison Break and Grey's Anatomy which weren't too bad. Tried to watch that Brothers and Sisters show and it was right fucking terrible. The Amazing Race and Dancing With the Stars are entertaining. I like Battlestar Galactica.


I have enough routine in my life that I don't want to have my evenings (or even a part of an evening) revolve around what is on television. I've seen season 1 of 24 on DVD and I really liked it, but I can't comit to watching it at the same time every week for fear of missing an episode and knowing what the fuck is going on.

If I happen to find myself in front of a TV, I flip around to see if anything interesting is on. If I don't find anything, I go do something else. I don't have time shifting, PVR or on demand TV. No point in wasting money on something I can apparently do without.

I think it's a pretty decent amount of storyline for 3 episodes.
That's like 2 hours and 15 minutes of television.... There are movies that have told much better and more involved stories in the same amount of time and have had more character development.

I guess the bottom line is that soap opera or serial type programs just doesn't appeal to me.
I prefer series that have stand-alone episodes. Heroes is obviously not going to be that kind of show.
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miir wrote: I have enough routine in my life that I don't want to have my evenings (or even a part of an evening) revolve around what is on television. I've seen season 1 of 24 on DVD and I really liked it, but I can't comit to watching it at the same time every week for fear of missing an episode and knowing what the fuck is going on.
TIVO an amazing thing...ever hear of it? Your life doesn't have to revolve around the start times of TV series. Hit "record all new episodes" and forget about it. There's no routine involved.

Every major TV series is also posted to newsgroups these days. If you know what you're doing, you can have any recent episode, minus the commercials, in about 3-5 minutes. Barring that, a DVR (Tivo) is not high tech and even a granny can use them now.

For the people that like the show, it looks like it will be sticking around for awhile:
'Heroes' Proves Heroic For NBC, Saves 18-49-Year-Olds

by Wayne Friedman, Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 9:00 AM ET

NBC'S "HEROES" IS A RARE TV show. It comes out of nowhere, lands on TV schedules, and immediately clicks.

Like many of the characters, who find themselves with superhuman powers, the Monday night show's rating strength has been revealed--unexpectedly. Without a true lead-in, and without a strong network, "Heroes" has improved its 18-49 performance for the past two weeks. It is now up to a healthy 5.9--up 7 percent over the previous week's 5.5.

The mark of a good show is when it can improve on its lead-in, and "Heroes" has done it big-time. It improved on "Deal or No Deal" ratings by 34 percent on Monday. "Heroes" has become the best-rated new show for 18-49 viewers--with an average 5.8 rating for three shows.
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miir wrote:I guess the bottom line is that soap opera or serial type programs just doesn't appeal to me.
I prefer series that have stand-alone episodes. Heroes is obviously not going to be that kind of show.
We obviously have different tastes then. While I enjoy something like Law and Order (of whichever variety) where it's pretty much an encapsulated story told over 45 or so minutes, my favorite shows are Lost and Deadwood, where you pretty much have to catch it every week to know what's going on.

That said, I agree that I don't like a show to dictate when I'll watch it, which is why Tivo is such a great invention and why I like buying shows that I like on DVD.

I'm impressed by Heroes so far; I'd go so far as to say that they've already hooked me.
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TIVO an amazing thing...ever hear of it? Your life doesn't have to revolve around the start times of TV series. Hit "record all new episodes" and forget about it. There's no routine involved
But you're suggesting I spend money on a service that I don't want and don't need?

Every major TV series is also posted to newsgroups these days
Hell, you of all people should know my opinions on stealing shit from newsgroups. It seems especially ironic to pay for a service that assists people in theft.




Aside from that, you're missing my point.
I just don't like television series that are chopped up into 45 minute chunks that cannot stand on their own. It just reeks of lazy, formulaic storytelling. The main purpose of each episode is to set up a cliffhanger to suck people into watching the next episode... an episode where nothing is ever resolved...it's only the vehicle to set up the next cliffhanger to suck people into watching it the next week.
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I'm impressed by Heroes so far; I'd go so far as to say that they've already hooked me.
Couple of folks at work who are already hooked as well.
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miir wrote:
TIVO an amazing thing...ever hear of it? Your life doesn't have to revolve around the start times of TV series. Hit "record all new episodes" and forget about it. There's no routine involved
But you're suggesting I spend money on a service that I don't want and don't need?
miir wrote:I have enough routine in my life that I don't want to have my evenings (or even a part of an evening) revolve around what is on television. I've seen season 1 of 24 on DVD and I really liked it, but I can't comit to watching it at the same time every week for fear of missing an episode and knowing what the fuck is going on.
If you enjoyed watching 24, but can't commit to watching shows like it at a specified time every week, how is TiVO not something you want? The whole point is watching shows at your convenience, removing the whole commitment aspect. Sorry, it just seems like you're sending a mixed message.
miir wrote:Aside from that, you're missing my point.
I just don't like television series that are chopped up into 45 minute chunks that cannot stand on their own. It just reeks of lazy, formulaic storytelling. The main purpose of each episode is to set up a cliffhanger to suck people into watching the next episode... an episode where nothing is ever resolved...it's only the vehicle to set up the next cliffhanger to suck people into watching it the next week.
Just depends on people's taste. I'd have to side with Sylvus - I tend to enjoy the shows with arcing storylines that stretch across a season. Previously, though, I would usually just wait for 24 to come out on DVD since it was kind of hard to catch every episode (and if there's any major network television show where missing an episode can fuck up your ability to understand it, it's 24). I have a DVR system now, and I love it.
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miir wrote: Aside from that, you're missing my point.
I just don't like television series that are chopped up into 45 minute chunks that cannot stand on their own. It just reeks of lazy, formulaic storytelling. The main purpose of each episode is to set up a cliffhanger to suck people into watching the next episode... an episode where nothing is ever resolved...it's only the vehicle to set up the next cliffhanger to suck people into watching it the next week.
Dude, if you don't like episodic TV series, state it and move on. It's not going to change anything by repeadedly posting about it. If that's your thing, the Lost thread or Battlestar Galactica (which is also a good series) thread could use some posts. They're episodic and could use your trolling for awhile.

Episodic tv series do not reek of lazyness. What's lazy about creating an epic that take more than 40 minutes to tell? Deadwood sucked? Supranos? Fine. We get it.

As for your claim of "stealing" a network program from the newsgroups that available over the airwaves...BRILLIANT!
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Several of the networks are posting full episodes on their websites as well. Most that I have watched have little or no real advertising.
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OMG

Had that going though my head several times tonight....great episode.
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Wow, I'm liking what's going on with this one, good episode tonight.
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Emo flying brother looks like he's going to have a cool power after all.
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Hiro did not disappoint. Cool how he used his powers to make some money, even cooler how he showed up coming back from the future. Was that a samurai sword on his back? And cool that he learned english
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Claire getting revenge is nice
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Best show on TV atm.

Every episode there's a point where I'm thinking "omg" like Zygar mentioned above.
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Clair running the car right into the wall to kill the rapist QB was great.

Emoboy's (formerly known as flyboy but we know that's a mislabeling now!) power is finally revealed and it's pretty badass. He's sort of like Rogue and can use other Heroes' powers in proximity to him, unlike Rogue who has to actually be touching the person.

It was cool to see the painter guy in action with the glowing eyes and see what he's seeing as he paints.

The twist of Hiro showing up from the future, speaking english, was a twist I wasn't expecting although I was looking for Hiro as soon as time stopped on the train.

I hope the cop doesn't get his head cut open and brain taken out although it looks like that might happen...was hoping someone would arrive to save him.

The backtracking and extended opening scene of Clair on the autopsy table was badass.

The preview for episode 5, "Save the Cheerleader. Save the world"

I thought Emoboy and the Indian guy were going to kiss at one point.

Perhaps next episode we'll start to get a few of the Heroes grouping up. The missions aren't solo able anymore.

The story is developing slow as molasses but it's a great story. I thought there was no hope for making Emoboy interesting yet they went and did it this episode.

Bring on episode 5
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Hiro with the soul patch, trench coat and samurai sword.. total anime hero! Was great.

I still have a feeling the schitzo chick may end up being a villain.
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Dregor Thule wrote:
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Hiro with the soul patch, trench coat and samurai sword.. total anime hero! Was great.

I still have a feeling the schitzo chick may end up being a villain.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how split personality disorder is a super power....
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See Cap'n Tripps in Wildcards :)
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Dregor Thule wrote:I still have a feeling the schitzo chick may end up being a villain.[/spoiler]
I watched it again last night, as my roommate hadn't seen it on Monday night. He said the same thing that you did, his reasoning being that
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She had the tattoo on her back that matches the "evil" black guy's necklace. the dude who is hanging out with the cheerleader's dad.

Do you think that symbol is only for the bad guys? I was under the impression that it just has something to do with all of the people with special powers.
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Here is what i think about the split personality girl...
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She is the reason her husband was put in jail. I think she killed the guys that he was convicted for killing. The ring she found on the corpse was from one of the guys that was supposedly killed by him. I too think she will be a villain.
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I liked the cops character too. I hope he isn't getting killed off already. The symbol leads me to believe that some of the characters may not be naturally occuring supers. Maybe they were artificially developed.

The schizos superpower seems to be extreme martial ability. I am still unsure what the trigger for it is though.

I gotta watch the emoboy segment again. I must have totally missed where his superpower was displayed.

I cheered when the cheerleader killed(?) the asshole rapist.
I love this show and jericho.
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Bleh, I guess I'll have to grab this on DVD when it comes out. Sounds like it's going to be really good.
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Post by Siji »

It would be better if it wasn't so short. It's annoying getting into it and then it being over. Might just have to skip this on tv and watch the usenet versions.

Speaking of 24.. I never understood how people could watch that show on TV. I saw a marathon of it once and it was great, but I couldn't stand to watch each segment once a week.
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That's why I normally wait to watch a tv series on dvd. I am able to keep up with them better now with my DVR, but it is hard to hold onto episodes for a full season in order to watch them in a couple sessions. I do try to watch 3-4 shows in order on the weekend when I am able though. I don't think I could watch 24 in any other way than on dvd.
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Emoboys powers havent really been "displayed". Its more how he is around other peoples powers.
When around his brother he can fly/levitate. He mentioned on the train with Muhanda that he had a glimpse of the future when he was at Isaacs studio.
But the telling one is that he wasnt frozen in time when future hiro popped in to talk to him.
He's a power leech. I imagine he'd have the healing powers of Claire when close to her. Or the mindreading when near the cop. And when close to Syler, Emoboy will be a badass.
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Homercles wrote:He mentioned on the train with Muhanda that he had a glimpse of the future when he was at Isaacs studio.
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The best way to describe Emoboy's powers for those familiar with the X-Men: Rogues ability to temporarily absorb someone's powers but instead of having to touch the person, he needs to be within a certain range of the person. I'm curious to see if Emoboy can absorb multiple powers at once and become "Superfreak"...also...another twist would be a power he didn't want..say he becomes superfreak and then absorbs Mustang Salley's (split personality girl's) alter ego and starts whaling away on the wrong people? His character could get real interesting. [/hide]
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[hide]If you go to the NBC site for the show, there's a thing on the right hand side that cycles through a different character when you refresh the page. One of them is a black guy who is not the one working with the horn-rimmed glasses guy. Another as yet unrevealed character. 2 possibilities I see are either schizo's husband or Syler. Assuming they aren't one and the same.

I don't think the cop is dead. And it was funny how fast the cheerleader got back in uniform. That girl has got to be sick of wearing that fucking thing all the time on set!
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