The Official Name for the Nindendo Revolution.

[Boogahz]

What would you rather have your 6-14 yo playing?

Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, etc...

That's what I was playing in that age range.

[Animalor]

What would you rather have your 6-14 yo playing?

Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, etc...

That's what I was playing in that age range.

Did you read anywhere in this thread where it was recommended that kids play this instead of sports?

I didn't think so.

[Niffoni]

What would you rather have your 6-14 yo playing?

Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, etc...

That's what I was playing in that age range.

This doesn't seem like a very good idea. Look what it did to you.

... Sorry, I don't even know you, but it was too easy

[Boogahz]

What would you rather have your 6-14 yo playing?

Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, etc...

That's what I was playing in that age range.

Did you read anywhere in this thread where it was recommended that kids play this instead of sports?

I didn't think so.

No, you asked a question and I answered it. I never implied that you did not want your children to be active. I did not grow up with consoles in the house. We had fun outdoors. Granted, times have changed since then, but there are still some outdoor activities I feel any child should have the opportunity to experience.

[Dal-KoE]

This statement is not only ignorant and misinformed. It's 100% wrong.

You may be surpried to find out that the smallest market share of the big 3 (MS, Sony and Nintendo) belongs to MS.

Handhelds are not as high profile as home consoles but they move more units and Nintendo owns a 90% share of that market segment. The Gamecube and XBox have similar numbers but Gameboy Advance sales rival PS2 sales.

Nintendo makes as much profit as Sony and MS games divisions combined.

I have to agree with Miir (although I cringe to do so).. Our Game Cube & N64 (still) gets more logged hours than the Xbox(not 360) or the PS or PS2. My 2 youngest girls (8 and 10) pretty much take their Game Boys everywhere they go and love the Nintendo titles. At $200 it is definately in the "I want one for Christmas Daddy" list ...and is more than affordable.

[Dal-KoE]

No, you asked a question and I answered it. I never implied that you did not want your children to be active. I did not grow up with consoles in the house. We had fun outdoors. Granted, times have changed since then, but there are still some outdoor activities I feel any child should have the opportunity to experience.

You forgot about all the excercise we (old farts) got riding our bikes 2 or 3 miles to the arcade so we could dump $10-$20 (a pop) into the video games like Asteroids, Pacman, and Centipede.

[miir]

Biggest problem I see is the Nintendo sells because of their franchises. Those franchises have been really been less and less relevant as time goes on

Less relevant to us maybe, but relevant to teens/preteens and the huge Japanese market.

[Chidoro]

Sales numbers don't seem to support that. Off of memory, I think most of their major franchises have had fewer and fewer sales numbers as subsequent versions of these franchises have been released. While that may be attributed to a fewer number of hardware units, that would be the point w/ regards to relevance. There just isn't any way to compare the impact of Mario and Zelda modern times to that of old because it just isn't a competition. I would be interested to see how old the mean average player who purchased Mario and, especially, Zelda. I am also not in the position to see sales numbers right now, but I'd be curious to see how pokemon sales have declined. I am pretty sure the tv ratings have.

The japanese marketshare is dwindling in comparison to the world market. I don't think it accounts for at least a third of the worldwide sales any longer. While it is huge, it's not as big as the NA and EU market and their current marketshare has been in decline for some time. I am sure the portable market is a completely different playing field, but that's not really the issue being raised.

[Syenye]

I want to see a picture of Syenye's Wii

oh it's HUGE.

nintendo has to make a profit off of their gaming systems, because that's what they do. Microsoft and sony can afford the losses on their consoles because they are means to another end... for microsoft, the 360 is a window (haha, it's a pun, get it?) to their operating system, media center etc. sony is using the ps3 to promote bluray.

clearly they are catering to different demographics. the specs for the wii aren't really that much better than the gamecube, and they come nowhere near the specs for the ps3 and 360. nintendo is going for price, customer loyalty, and innovation. this will be an interesting e3, i can't wait to get my hands on a wii.

[archeiron]

Sales numbers don't seem to support that. Off of memory, I think most of their major franchises have had fewer and fewer sales numbers as subsequent versions of these franchises have been released. While that may be attributed to a fewer number of hardware units, that would be the point w/ regards to relevance. There just isn't any way to compare the impact of Mario and Zelda modern times to that of old because it just isn't a competition. I would be interested to see how old the mean average player who purchased Mario and, especially, Zelda. I am also not in the position to see sales numbers right now, but I'd be curious to see how pokemon sales have declined. I am pretty sure the tv ratings have.

The japanese marketshare is dwindling in comparison to the world market. I don't think it accounts for at least a third of the worldwide sales any longer. While it is huge, it's not as big as the NA and EU market and their current marketshare has been in decline for some time. I am sure the portable market is a completely different playing field, but that's not really the issue being raised.

If you had stopped after stating that the initial release had the largest unit sales, then you would have been accurate.



Nintendo's own numbers (Courtesy of GameCubicle) indicate that have had steady success from SMB2 through SM64 rather than a steady decline as you indicated. This doesn't even include Mario Cart, etc, which are probably more popular than many of the core franchise titles.

Nintendo franchises are consistently popular after multiple generations of consoles.

[Chidoro]

Did you toss in portable numbers there? Where's Mario Sunshine, you know, the most recent console offering?

Here's what I see based on that little graph:
a. smb1 was a pack-in
b. smb2 was a remake of a different game w/ mario characters so it's sales probably suffered as a result
c. smb 3 was most likely the best selling individual game of all time
d. smw was a pack-in
e. sm64 was a late pack-in and still sold less
f. you don't have sunshine's numbers
g. you have portable numbers, a totally different market with different levels of competition and title selection.

So essentially, while there is no doubt it's a popular franchise, it's relevance is declining.

[Dal-KoE]

Official Name .... Wii-NES

[vn_Tanc]

So essentially, while there is no doubt it's a popular franchise, it's relevance is declining

The lowest selling game on that chart has over 7m sales. That's fucking huge. The best-selling GTA shifted about 9m IIRC.

It may be declining but it's still solid gaming gold by any standard.

[miir]

I'm having a hard time understanding what you define as relevant.

Would that be relevant to you or relevant to the market?

[miir]

you don't have sunshine's numbers

Doing a bit of searching I found that in Japan, Mario Sunshine sold 400k units in the first 2 days, and around 700k (in 4 months of release) in 2002.

I couldn't find any total sales numbers but saw it estimated around 3 million. Which by Nintendo standards is a bit of a failure... but by any other companies standards would it be an unqualified success.

[Boogahz]

hmm, no option to delete this post.

[Chidoro]

I'm having a hard time understanding what you define as relevant.

Would that be relevant to you or relevant to the market?

The nintendo systems have been defined by their key franchises. For a lot of people, it's the only reason the system is purchased. That impact has been declining over the years. They are system defining.
When sales decrease for system defining games as significantly as the Mario series, it's impact and relevance on the industry is also decreased.
There are fewer and fewer people awaiting the next big primary nintendo franchise game.
Sunshine wasn't a pack-in game, there hadn't been a Mario game on a home console in a few years, and there still was a massive reduction in sales. If I was there, I would find that trend very alarming.
I also have a hard time just saying that a game which is a pack-in sold solely on it's own merits. That's part of what differentiates SMB3 sales and makes them so extraordinary.

[miir]

There are fewer and fewer people awaiting the next big primary nintendo franchise game.

How do you quantify that statement?

How many more graphs and sales figures do I have to post to prove to you that you're mistaken?


I could understand if you said that the Nintendo franchise is not relevant to you personally. Sales figures of Gameboys, Pokemon games and Mario games have been solid. Nintendo games frequently top (and sometimes dominate) game sales charts. Believe it or not, people are buying these games... lots of people. Super Mario 64 DS sold millions of copies in Japan alone... Nintendo has sold over 10 million DS handhelds.

Name some companies that you would consider relevant in the industry and I bet most of them would kill for the sales numbers that Nintendo has.

[Boogahz]

There are fewer and fewer people awaiting the next big primary nintendo franchise game.

How do you quantify that statement?

How many more graphs and sales figures do I have to post to prove to you that you're mistaken?


I could understand if you said that the Nintendo franchise is not relevant to you personally. Sales figures of Gameboys, Pokemon games and Mario games have been solid. Nintendo games frequently top (and sometimes dominate) game sales charts. Believe it or not, people are buying these games... lots of people. Super Mario 64 DS sold millions of copies in Japan alone... Nintendo has sold over 10 million DS handhelds.

Name some companies that you would consider relevant in the industry and I bet most of them would kill for the sales numbers that Nintendo has.

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have tried to delete my last post. Drop the handhelds from your numbers. What do they look like afterwards? THAT is what is not relevant. Consoles vs Consoles. Not Consoles vs Consoles/Handhelds/Pacifiers/etc.

[Truant]

Boog, you keep saying handheld, handheld, not fair, etc.

Technically the PSP numbers are going to be in there for SONY. Granted, that's probably not much, but if you're going to remove one, you have to remove the other.

[Boogahz]

Boog, you keep saying handheld, handheld, not fair, etc.

Technically the PSP numbers are going to be in there for SONY. Granted, that's probably not much, but if you're going to remove one, you have to remove the other.

The original discussion which drove Miir to post the sales numbers was "Wii" vs 360 vs PS3. It was also Gamecube vs XBox cs PS2.

Handhelds had nothing to do with it, but they kept getting included. At least now I know that some fucking body noticed what I was asking for whether you understood why or not...

[miir]

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have tried to delete my last post. Drop the handhelds from your numbers. What do they look like afterwards? THAT is what is not relevant. Consoles vs Consoles. Not Consoles vs Consoles/Handhelds/Pacifiers/etc.

If that information is so important to you, go find it yourself.

[Boogahz]

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have tried to delete my last post. Drop the handhelds from your numbers. What do they look like afterwards? THAT is what is not relevant. Consoles vs Consoles. Not Consoles vs Consoles/Handhelds/Pacifiers/etc.

If that information is so important to you, go find it yourself.

Ok, so your numbers prove nothing when it comes to the argument of console sales standing up to other consoles. I get it.

[Chidoro]

I think the approach to this console is very smart by Nintendo. They can't keep up w/ to R&D of the other companies. So, coming up with a new system that plays games differently, albeit on inferior hardware, can differentiate themselves. Being a cheap alternative to the big two has been helping them along for the past few years. I believe it will be huge in Japan, they love all of that quirky shit.

Biggest problem I see is the Nintendo sells because of their franchises. Those franchises have been really been less and less relevant as time goes on. Wow, Zelda, terrific, Mario, great, Samus, nice rack, blah blah. The software selection and quality outside of these choices has been pure shit. I am sure it will do fine, but I can't possibly seeing me owning this thing as it's been so easy to ignore nin w/out feeling as if I am missing a thing.

While I never specifically stated consoles, that's really what I was referring to in my original post. Just because something sells 3 or 4 million copies, if they were selling 10 ro 20 or 30 million previously, it's impact is declining. Portable systems(placation devices for kids riding in cars) and pack-in titles(which can't be proven to be sold solely on the title's merit) to defend your number is like comparing apples to oranges since the idea is to have a title create a strong enough impact to get someone to buy your console. That's the problem I think nintendo needs to address for this console.

[miir]

The original discussion which drove Miir to post the sales numbers was "Wii" vs 360 vs PS3. It was also Gamecube vs XBox cs PS2.

Um, no it wasn't.
It was Deward's misinformed post that prompted me to post info Nintendo sales and market share.

You're the only one with a stick up their ass about comparing every aspect of Nintento's video game business with MS and Sonys video game divisions.

If we didn;t include sales of Halo and Halo2 in the MS/Xbox figures, you'd see a bottom line that's ONE BILLION DOLLARS in the fucking hole.... and some of you jokers seem to think that Nintendo is doing poorly?

[miir]

Oh, and I'm not trying to be a asshole.
I have actually tried looking up sales numbers for Nintendo Gamecube but it seems that info is not readily available.... most likely because the sales figures are not up to expections.
The closest I have seen were specific monthly sales figures for specific countries where the Gamecube had outsold the XBox. A common estimate I have found is that the GC has sales around 75% of the XBox.



In the future if you want to dispute or quesiton the accuracy of someone's statements, you should find the info yourself.

[miir]

I think the approach to this console is very smart by Nintendo. They can't keep up w/ to R&D of the other companies. So, coming up with a new system that plays games differently, albeit on inferior hardware, can differentiate themselves. Being a cheap alternative to the big two has been helping them along for the past few years. I believe it will be huge in Japan, they love all of that quirky shit.

Biggest problem I see is the Nintendo sells because of their franchises. Those franchises have been really been less and less relevant as time goes on. Wow, Zelda, terrific, Mario, great, Samus, nice rack, blah blah. The software selection and quality outside of these choices has been pure shit. I am sure it will do fine, but I can't possibly seeing me owning this thing as it's been so easy to ignore nin w/out feeling as if I am missing a thing.

While I never specifically stated consoles, that's really what I was referring to in my original post. Just because something sells 3 or 4 million copies, if they were selling 10 ro 20 or 30 million previously, it's impact is declining. Portable systems(placation devices for kids riding in cars) and pack-in titles(which can't be proven to be sold solely on the title's merit) to defend your number is like comparing apples to oranges since the idea is to have a title create a strong enough impact to get someone to buy your console. That's the problem I think nintendo needs to address for this console.

OK, I can see what you're saying.

But I think that your opinion might also be coloured by the fact that you personally no longer have any interest in the type of games that Nintendo is making.

[miir]

I suppose I could have packed all 3 of those responses into 1 post.

[Winnow]

If we didn;t include sales of Halo and Halo2 in the MS/Xbox figures, you'd see a bottom line that's ONE BILLION DOLLARS in the fucking hole.... and some of you jokers seem to think that Nintendo is doing poorly?

Are you still not getting that Microsoft doesn't care that much about losses in one area while it continues to gain market share and takes over the market whether it's this generation or next? ...zero foresight.

Lol @ picture below

[Boogahz]

Oh, and I'm not trying to be a asshole.
I have actually tried looking up sales numbers for Nintendo Gamecube but it seems that info is not readily available.... most likely because the sales figures are not up to expections.
The closest I have seen were specific monthly sales figures for specific countries where the Gamecube had outsold the XBox. A common estimate I have found is that the GC has sales around 75% of the XBox.



In the future if you want to dispute or quesiton the accuracy of someone's statements, you should find the info yourself.

Why wouldn't Halo/Halo2 numbers be included? They are game sales for the console. I would imagine that Gamecube numbers would include Nintendo Gamecube games as well.

Also, as others (maybe even yourself) have posted, M$ could probably care less about losses in only one area. Typically, there are losses in a console division. These losses are made up for by sales of games/accessories/other products. This is the same for Nintendo, but the big difference is that they are apparently trying to make the console as cheap to produce as possible. This will help them keep from taking as large of a hit, amd I commend them on that. The only issue I am seeing is that they are going to allow the other consoles to far outpace them in advances.

[Deward]

I was referring to console sales only. I readily admit that Nintendo has cornered the market on Handhelds. Sony's PSP is more than just a game handheld and it's pricing structure is way to high for the Nintendo crowd. Especially since you can pick up a gameboy for next to nothing. I have one, played it for a couple hours and quit. Just wasn't that much fun.

The following website discusses the potential sales forecasts by 2008. Sony and M$ are pretty close at 7.1 and 8 million console sales respectively. Nintendo is a far distant third at 3.9 million.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ ... 995345.htm

[Dal-KoE]

Heres a question.. Do all 3 sell their consoles at a loss?

[Winnow]

Heres a question.. Do all 3 sell their consoles at a loss?

If you're talking this next gen, only Microsoft is cranking them out so far! We can expect problems with the PS3 (plenty of reports on those already) and Nintendo seems to be more guarded but since the Revolution probably is about as powerful as a C-64, I'm sure it will have few problems except for maybe the goofy looking controller. PS3 will be sold at a loss, no idea on Nintendo's system.

[miir]

Heres a question.. Do all 3 sell their consoles at a loss?

Nintendo doesn't.

[archeiron]

I don't like the name.

Having said this, I believe that Nintendo is setting themselves up for a huge win, irrespective of the name. Considering that a 360 is $500+ to get started, a "new" console on the market with a price tag <$200 is going to being extremely tempting as a (a) primary console for lower incoming households, (b) primary console for younger families, (c) secondary console for households with larger disposable income for electronics.

It wouldn't suprise me to know that Nintendo will (a) have massive sales at Christmas this year, and (b) actually make money on this generation from the start (unlike both MS and Sony).

I will probably buy this as my second system, but I doubt that I will ever like the name.

Actually, I don't mind the name, but I still haven't bought this as my second system.

[Winnow]

I don't like the name.

Actually, I don't mind the name, but I still haven't bought this as my second system.

Don't. It's a two year flash in the pan product! Borrow it from someone for a weekend, get over the initial urge to buy, and then use the $250 to buy five 360 games or tickets to Wimbledon for some of your relatives back in England.

[Animalor]

18 months later, Wii is #1 overall, Nintendo is worth more than Sony as a company and MS is beating Sony at their own game(for the time being).

This is why none of us are financial analysts... =P

[Winnow]

18 months later, Wii is #1 overall, Nintendo is worth more than Sony as a company and MS is beating Sony at their own game(for the time being).

This is why none of us are financial analysts... =P

I won't argue the Wii is a huge success financially. Unless someone here has stock in Nintendo, it's not really the focus though! (and grats if you do!)

McDonalds is more successful than, say, your local delicatessen but it doesn't mean their food is better!

[Chidoro]

18 months later, Wii is #1 overall, Nintendo is worth more than Sony as a company and MS is beating Sony at their own game(for the time being).

This is why none of us are financial analysts... =P

Actually, at least one of us is