Eddie Guerrero passes away

miir · Post by **miir** » November 22, 2005, 2:41 am

Just because you think you 'know' your wrestling heroes from seeing them on TV a few times a week, it doesn't make your opinions more 'valid' than those who have no emotional investment in your 'sports entertainment'.

Denying that drug and steroid abuse is a major problem in professional wrestling only makes you look like a complete and total fucking moron.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » November 22, 2005, 3:01 am

miir wrote:Just because you think you 'know' your wrestling heroes from seeing them on TV a few times a week, it doesn't make your opinions more 'valid' than those who have no emotional investment in your 'sports entertainment'.

Sylvus wrote:There hasn't been a guy in the WWF in like 15 years who wasn't a gimmick "fat guy" or some guy with some form of gigantism that made him 7'5" and 500 lbs that didn't use steroids.

Sylvus wrote:My assertion is that steroid use has been prevalent in professional wrestling for a long time, are you disputing that?

Sylvus wrote:Sure John Cena isn't the biggest guy around, but it's quite possible he has juiced.

Sylvus wrote:I'm not talking completely out of my ass about people I've never heard of; the only people I wasn't familiar with on your list were Bradshaw and John Cena. And once I googled Cena I realized who he was. While I haven't watched a lot of wrestling since its huge popularity in my youth, I've seen enough of it to be familiar with probably 80% of the current people.

Sylvus wrote:I haven't really watched other than in passing for over 10 years, and I'm not trying to claim that I have.

B..B..Bbb... But oh man, stacking posts that completely contradict each other or backpeddle. One point halfassed saved by our newfound hero google!!! The real bonus has to be watching enough to know 80% of the wrestlers without knowing the biggest face on the program while simultaneously not really watching it for 10 years at least. But, but, I mean, let me play both sides of the field too because I know one of them has to be right, it worked for John Kerry. Shut the fuck up, chimp.

miir wrote:Denying that drug and steroid abuse is a major problem in professional wrestling only makes you look like a complete and total fucking moron.

Yes, just like how steroid use was completely out of control for the last 15 years earlier in this post but recently downgraded to being out of control in the 1980s and early 90s, which was 12 years ago at the earliest (trials were in '93 afterall). I'm also quite pleased that steroid use was the prime topic of this argument and now it's melted down into all kinds of drugs. I'm also glad to see you're putting words in my mouth when I've never addressed that, because it is a problem. Pain killers, perscription medicines, they're a way bigger problem than steroids are now. Hell a wrestler (Eugene) who has a "retard" gimmick was taken to the hospital recently due to passing out from Somas and other perscription drugs.

It's been very obvious you don't read my posts, Sylvus maybe half reads them (like I really care, he's contradicted himself enough that he's got no ground to stand on) and now a new chimp has chimed in. A slick spelling nazi who has no clue what the fuck he's talking about other than he's sticking up for one of his friends... It's so sweet, it really is

.

Anyways, I insist that we keep spinning the subject more and more, I see how hard it is for you to eat your own words, and it's a damn shame too. I saw you as one of the sharper guys Sylvus, I guess I was wrong.

I was planning on posting another picture of Scott since this argument was never too stable in the first place but he's last page's news. So here's Gene Snitsky, I guess the plain "freak" instead of the "genetic freak" like Steiner is. Enjoy yourselves

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 22, 2005, 3:16 am

What's worse than grown men arguing over wrestling?

Nothing.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 22, 2005, 10:51 am

You're arguing in circles.

There no point in continuing this discussion as your obvious emotional attachment to your wrestling heroes is clouding your objectivity.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 22, 2005, 11:29 am

Yes Miir. It must be the other person. No way it could possibly be you.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 22, 2005, 11:45 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes Miir. It must be the other person. No way it could possibly be you.

That makes no sense, dude.
Stop being a fucking retard.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 22, 2005, 12:27 pm

noel wrote:
Sionistic wrote:
Winnow wrote:WWF is something the U.S. should be exporting to other countries like cigarettes, not actually watching it themselves.
WWE is the most watched sport show outside of the US
Bullshit.

Also, Badabidi, shut the fuck up and go learn to spell Minnesota. Your posts are so fucking poorly written I can't even discern a logical point.

The bottom line is:
1. A percentage of wrestlers use steroids/HGH/pain killers.
2. A percentage of those wrestlers die due to the complications from the use of steroids/HGH/painkillers.
3. Vince McMahon, and those making money off of the WWE don't give a shit.

My mistake, I wrote that wrong. WWE is the most watched American sport outside of the US

Post by **Sylvus** » November 22, 2005, 12:33 pm

Badabidi wrote:
Sylvus wrote:There hasn't been a guy in the WWF in like 15 years who wasn't a gimmick "fat guy" or some guy with some form of gigantism that made him 7'5" and 500 lbs that didn't use steroids.

Sylvus wrote:My assertion is that steroid use has been prevalent in professional wrestling for a long time, are you disputing that?

Sylvus wrote:Sure John Cena isn't the biggest guy around, but it's quite possible he has juiced.

Sylvus wrote:I'm not talking completely out of my ass about people I've never heard of; the only people I wasn't familiar with on your list were Bradshaw and John Cena. And once I googled Cena I realized who he was. While I haven't watched a lot of wrestling since its huge popularity in my youth, I've seen enough of it to be familiar with probably 80% of the current people.

Sylvus wrote:I haven't really watched other than in passing for over 10 years, and I'm not trying to claim that I have.
B..B..Bbb... But oh man, stacking posts that completely contradict each other or backpeddle. One point halfassed saved by our newfound hero google!!! The real bonus has to be watching enough to know 80% of the wrestlers without knowing the biggest face on the program while simultaneously not really watching it for 10 years at least. But, but, I mean, let me play both sides of the field too because I know one of them has to be right, it worked for John Kerry. Shut the fuck up, chimp.

Can you even read? You posted your list, I read it and said "hmm... who are Bradshaw and John Cena?" I googled Cena and saw his picture and said "Oh yeah, that guy". My original post was simple hyperbole, which I thought was clear, but apparently you think it's backpeddaling. Even though my first response to you posed that simple question. Obviously I don't think that EVERY person in the WWF is on steroids; I agreed with a couple people on your list of exceptions when you first posted it.

For someone who claims people don't read his posts, you're not very good doing the same. Most of my evidence (barring the USA Today article, which is pretty current) is a little bit older, just as I qualified it when I posted it. Feel free to go back and take a look, I wasn't presenting it as new evidence and I gave my reasons why.

Now you're making me just reiterate the same things I'm saying every post, because the only thing you have is that I don't watch much wrestling. Nowhere do I contradict myself on that, I've agreed with you on that since the beginning. SORRY I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE JOHN CENA FROM HIS NAME. He's one person, perhaps the most popular, does not recognizing his name put me below 80%? If there are 4 other guys who I wouldn't recognize if you posted their names, would that put me below 80%? If it turned out to be 76%, or 81%, would you latch onto that and go after it for 9 posts? WHO GIVES A FUCK HOW MUCH WRESTLING I WATCH?!!

Badabidi wrote:Please point out where that denies that steroid use in professional wrestling isn't practiced or happening even now

You are agreeing with my claim, yet saying I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't know who John Cena is. Who is contradicting themself? Why are you still arguing this?

Badabidi wrote:I'm also quite pleased that steroid use was the prime topic of this argument and now it's melted down into all kinds of drugs.

Actually, it wasn't. The prime topic of this argument was how full of shit Midnyte is, and how it's sad how big of a hypocrite he is that he'll use one breath to condemn one person for using drugs, while supporting an industry where drug use is rampant in the next. Steroids were brought up because they're the most easily visible in the WWF (at least to everyone besides you. Except in some posts where you agree). Then, in doing some reading, some people realized pain killers were also a problem. I realize you don't trust reading, and that people who don't watch wrestling shouldn't be allowed to read articles about it, but there that information was in black-and-white, fancy that!

miir · Post by **miir** » November 22, 2005, 12:40 pm

WWE is not sports.
Sport implies competition.
There is no competition when the outcome of the activity is predetermined.

WWE is to wrestling as Disney on Ice is to figure skating.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 22, 2005, 12:42 pm

Sionistic wrote:My mistake, I wrote that wrong. WWE is the most watched American sport outside of the US

I'm still going to have to say bullshit. I'm sure the WWE likes to think that, but the reality is, I've been outside of the US, and I have never, ever seen people watching WWE or anything close to professional wrestling. MLB yes, NBA yes, the Super Bowl is very watched, but I seriously doubt that WWE is the most watched american sport. Especially considering it's in no way a sport.

WWE IS NOT A SPORT.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 22, 2005, 12:46 pm

I agree it is not a sport, but for the purpose of simplicity, i will call it a sport. Rather say that then say "choreographed soap opera" every time. Happy?

noel · Post by **noel** » November 22, 2005, 12:51 pm

Call it 'a show' if you like. That's pretty much how I think of it.

That said, it's not the most viewed US show that pretends to be a sport outside of the US.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 22, 2005, 1:18 pm

That said, it's not the most viewed US show that pretends to be a sport outside of the US.

That has to be wrong, doesn't it? What other show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport do we export?

It might not be the most watched sport-or-show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 22, 2005, 1:53 pm

Sueven wrote:
That said, it's not the most viewed US show that pretends to be a sport outside of the US.
That has to be wrong, doesn't it? What other show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport do we export?

It might not be the most watched sport-or-show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport.

I don't think American Gladiators had very much appeal overseas.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 22, 2005, 2:01 pm

I don't think American Gladiators had very much appeal overseas.

That show was pretty rad. I didn't watch every episode of it though, so I should probably stop talking about it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 22, 2005, 2:09 pm

The funny part of this picture, to me anyway, is that referee guy. Not to mention that kid in th background flipping off the camera. Or the guy in front of him maybe. Kids eyes are still freaky!

Other than that I have no idea what this thread is even about anymore.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 22, 2005, 2:44 pm

Sionistic wrote:I agree it is not a sport, but for the purpose of simplicity, i will call it a sport. Rather say that then say "choreographed soap opera" every time. Happy?

I just refer to it as a Full Contact soap opera to keep it simple.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 22, 2005, 3:25 pm

is Eddie GA RARE OH the guy who drove OJ in the White Bronco?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 22, 2005, 3:49 pm

I watched some wrasslin last night. Look at the deltoids that Triple H has, and if you think that it's even REMOTELY possible to get them that huge and veiny without the juice, then you are completely fucking retarded. His steroids are on steroids.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 23, 2005, 12:15 am

Boogahz wrote:
Sionistic wrote:I agree it is not a sport, but for the purpose of simplicity, i will call it a sport. Rather say that then say "choreographed soap opera" every time. Happy?
I just refer to it as a Full Contact soap opera to keep it simple.

I will now refer to it as Full Contact soaps!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 23, 2005, 8:19 am

according to the internet:

Sports entertainment is a type of entertainment that superficially takes the form of a sporting event, but with more emphasis on dramatic storylines, humor, spectacle or titillation than on the contest of athletic skills. Sports entertainment is epitomized by professional wrestling. Some sports entertainment events have a predetermined winner, while in others the winner is determined just as it is in a normal sporting event. The term itself was coined by wrestling impresario Vince McMahon when describing the first WrestleMania pay-per-view.

WWE, Harlem Globetrotters, American Gladiators and Roller Derby are some examples.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 24, 2005, 7:10 am

You know.. I had a long post all typed up and I decided to go with the "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything" deal..

Kwonryu DragonFist · November 24, 2005, 9:04 am

miir wrote:
Sueven wrote:
That said, it's not the most viewed US show that pretends to be a sport outside of the US.
That has to be wrong, doesn't it? What other show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport do we export?

It might not be the most watched sport-or-show-that-pretends-to-be-a-sport.
I don't think American Gladiators had very much appeal overseas.

It appealed to the swedish audience to that degree that we made our own Swedish Gladiators show!

Very popular with the kids!

miir · Post by **miir** » November 24, 2005, 10:59 am

ROFL!

Kwonryu DragonFist · November 24, 2005, 11:51 am

The Swedish Gladiators, inspired by the American ones!

American Gladiators was so so popular when it was shown on swedish TV, but the swedish glads spin-off was a HUGE hit!

Season after season it became more and more popular!

We even had an american bodybuilder, Kathy Johanssen as one of our glads!

miir · Post by **miir** » November 24, 2005, 12:11 pm

That's hot.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » November 24, 2005, 12:53 pm

Lol what's up with the guy holding the little dog?

Kwonryu DragonFist · November 24, 2005, 1:04 pm

Bojangels wrote:Lol what's up with the guy holding the little dog?

He is the lil kids favorite and the "Joker" of the group.

Always kidding, joking, playin around and is the "nice" gladiator of them all.

Smilin to the opponent and sayin "good job! You were tough!" etc

I assume they decided that the lil dog was the final touch of his character.

Gladiators is similar to WWF as well, since they are playing "characters", while teh fella with the dog is always kind and happy (kids favorite), Izor is always evil, icecold and so forth.

It's very cheezy and apparent overacting, but the kids love it heh.

The Raptor fella is a robot and so on.

They also had OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of Glads named after Gods from different mythologies (Greek, Nordic etc) in earlier seasons like Atlas, Titan and they all "play" characters.

Embla for example , is forced to always smile heh

It similar way as Wrestling, it's a show, but it's also a tough contest, with tough challengers all over the country.

Good idea imho! The original idea is from the US.

I have also seen that the American idea did appeal to other countries as well, not only Sweden so it seems to be a good idea, toys and other merchandize following the show, so they make good money on it.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 6, 2005, 9:44 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177662,00.html

WWE to Start Random Drug Testing
Monday, December 05, 2005

Pro-Wrestling Gets 'Real'
STAMFORD, Conn. — Following the death of one of pro wrestling's biggest stars, World Wrestling Entertainment says it is starting random drug testing to detect illicit drugs, steroids and prescription drug abuse among its performers.

Post by **Sylvus** » December 6, 2005, 2:15 pm

Why would they start random drug testing, it's not like anyone in the WWE would ever use drugs...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » December 6, 2005, 2:43 pm

ASSOCIATED PRESS (1/5/1985) - Wrestling is fake.

This just in, hot off the AP Wires! WRESTLING IS FAKE!

miir · Post by **miir** » December 6, 2005, 3:22 pm

Sylvus wrote:Why would they start random drug testing, it's not like anyone in the WWE would ever use drugs...

What whould John Cena have to say about that?

OH WAIT, YUO DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO JOHN CENA IS HAHAHA STFU RETARDO!@$!1

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » December 6, 2005, 3:34 pm

Voronwë wrote:ASSOCIATED PRESS (1/5/1985) - Wrestling is fake.

This just in, hot off the AP Wires! WRESTLING IS FAKE!

Oh dang. Thanks for not using Spoiler tags, you jerk!

Post by **Sylvus** » December 6, 2005, 4:30 pm

sometimes i love you guys.

now is one of those times.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » December 6, 2005, 5:25 pm

Yeah, I watch the WWE from time to time. Let's get real though. Steroids are more than likely rampant in the WWE...and they are incapable of policing themselves.

Do you really think Vince McMahon and his board of directors are going to do something that would take money out of their pockets? Maybe they will make an example of some shitty wrestler that is either all washed up or isn't cutting it...but that's about all they will do.

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 11, 2005, 5:56 pm

Wrestling is still real to me

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 13, 2005, 10:27 pm

What? Wrestlers are Juicing? IMPOSSIBLE!!

How about this...

http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100111139

Forget ballplayers. More than ever, police officers are juicing up to get an edge on perps—but at what price?

http://articles.health.msn.com/id/10011 ... 100000000/

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » December 14, 2005, 3:09 am

ASSOCIATED PRESS (1/5/1985) - Wrestling is fake.

This just in, hot off the AP Wires! WRESTLING IS FAKE!

More pinko commie liberal media bullshit.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 14, 2005, 3:40 am

Yeah, I watch the WWE from time to time. Let's get real though.

Is that possible?

(either as a pun of 'real' or being a 'casual' fan--let the audience decide)

Post by **Sylvus** » August 17, 2009, 6:10 pm

Kurt Angle was busted with HGH. Maybe he wasn't so clean, after all?

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/08/k ... hghsort-of

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 8, 2009, 7:34 pm

LOL

Why would anyone think Angle was clean?

Even actors, cyclists, musicians juice these days.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 8, 2009, 8:41 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:LOL

Why would anyone think Angle was clean?

Even actors, cyclists, musicians juice these days.

Musicians?

Post by **Sylvus** » September 10, 2009, 11:15 am

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:Why would anyone think Angle was clean?

It was in reference to earlier in the thread when someone was arguing with me that he was clean. You should have been in this thread a few years ago!

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