Kanye West comments on Bush

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

Kayne west must have tourette's hahaha.
I laughed my ass of at that clip, was like watching a fat socially disfunctional kid screaming "fuck ass" during sunday school.

LOL! Touretteguy vids..."FUCK ASS!"

[Funkmasterr]

Can we please make Funkmasterr the mod for the audio section. I mean come on the guy said he is right PERIOD. So we should all bow down to him. Jesus man you are stupid. If you enjoy rap so much great, but people can enjoy other types of music.

Yeah, and I can insult and belittle their taste of music too. Nothing can be posted about a rap/hip hop artist without one or all of you idiots running your mouth about how much it sucks, so kindly shut your fucking trap when I do the same.

Anyone who thinks that groups like Slipknot are actually making "music", has no right to voice their opinion in my mind. (no I am not saying you like them, it's just an example of the worthless wrist cutting, worthless vocal, talentless banging on a guitar music that I see posted about constantly in the audio forum)

There are many bands out today (U2 for one) that make relevant great music, and I would argue that some of the most vibrant social rap was developed 20 years ago by Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy, most of the rap today is manufactured crap with manufactured rivalries.

While I will not call U2 talentless, I do not like them. And I will agree with 1/3 of what you said in this paragraph regarding hip hop. Boogie Down Productions completely sucked for the most part, I cannot stand KRS1 and I think their music was terrible.

BUT, Public Enemy on the other hand is great. I just picked up their greatest hits album that came out a few months ago actually and I listened to it for about a week straight in my car. They did a very good job at accomplishing what a lot of other groups (like boogie down) tried to do which is make politically charged music that tackles big issues, but is still original and something people want to listen to.
- On a side note, I was debating with someone about this.. cannot remember who. But I think that Chuck D's voice sounds very similar to Dr. Dre's.

If you want music that is made today that has some of those elements that Public Enemy started back in the 80's, check out people like:
Kanye West
Common
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
Dead Prez

Just to name a few.
Kanye, Common, Talib and I believe John Legend are starting a group together actually. That should be a hell of a record.

edit - oh and I forgot the best part, you started this shit even when you did agree to what everyone said. Kanye may well believe what he said, but by saying what he did, when he did, he may have in fact turned some people off to the overall message. The next day, many of the stars were still being interviewed and he could have stated his opinion without possibly hurting the fundraising efforts.

I started nothing, the people I attacked in my first post were saying extremely ignorant shit and I merely pointed it out.

Regarding the Kanye West comments. Like I said previously, I agree with him 100%. I also do agree that it may not have been the time and place to say what he said.

I do NOT agree that him saying that did/should have any effect on the fundraising efforts. He has the right to voice his opinion wherever and whenever he wants (thats part of his right as an American, as you so helpfully pointed out.) And grown adults should have enough common sense to know that his opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of anyone else involved in any aspect of the benefit.

How many times has the average person seen the message before a interview or whatever saying "The beliefs of such and such do not necessarily reflect those of such and such company".

So if people really didn't donate because of what he said. Then that was because they are total morons that cannot use simple logic, which is not Kanye's fault.

[Tyek]

Nothing can be posted about a rap/hip hop artist without one or all of you idiots running your mouth about how much it sucks, so kindly shut your fucking trap when I do the same.

I will say whatever the fuck I want.

BDP's album By All Means Necessary is one of the best examples of political rap in the genre. While his later music was a little weak, that album is still amazing today.

I actually enjoy some rap, hip hop, trip hop, etc. I enjoy music of all kinds, except country. I stand by my comments on Kanye though. You cannot tell me that there wer not people in this country who were so upset that they turned off the television, or tuned out the message. I am not saying this is the right response, it is not, but to think it did not happen is crazy.

As for not starting anything, you have started shit in about 4 or 5 forums the last few days spouting inane nonsense and generally be a little wimp. You were crying because they did not agree with you, or said jackass to your woman (which by the way is the method we use to say hello to new people, and I never did get a jackass from anyone dammit.) Then you pulled the old, "well I won't post anything but negative, take my candy and go" post.

I really do think you have anger issues and you need to see someone about it. I mean honestly is rap music so important in your life that it sets you off if some people here do not like it? For the record, I bet more people on here dislike Slipknot then like them (I don't care for them myself), but the Slipknot fans do not care and do not start whining about it.

[Moonwynd]

I think I found the one thing wrong with this thread. You decided to use the words "rap" and "music" together...and nowadays that is hardly the case.

So much of the "rap" community is comprised of violent idiots who want to perpetuate black on black crime vis a vis the "thug life" they live. It is very rare to see a decent rap artist any more. There are no more black urban poets using rap as a means of expressing themselves...now it is all about the bling. So if Kanye wants to be taken seriously then he needs to stop playing the race card and do something to actually help the people in need he is accusing the government of ignoring.

EDIT - Someone mentioned Mos Def....good music...good actor...thumbs up!

EDIT EDIT - Slipknot blows

[noel]

I'd like to add that I too do not like SlipKnot, but I think it's great if other people do and want to discuss it in the music forum. If there truly are people whining about how rap music sucks in the music forum, perhaps there should be a rule similar to the sports forum about being stupid regarding other people's sports. Just my .02

[Tyek]

I don't think people take the jabs like he does though Noel. He overreacts to everything. I played soccer for 30 years, college and Semi-Pro, I love the game, and I laugh at the comments that rip on the sport because some of them really are funny. He seriously needs to look into therapy if a web site message board sets him off like that, over Rap music.

[Nick]

Wow, someone has a particular taste in music, who the flying fuck gives a shit.

Let's all bow down to their small minded self masturbation.

[Truant]

I'd like to add that I too do not like SlipKnot, but I think it's great if other people do and want to discuss it in the music forum. If there truly are people whining about how rap music sucks in the music forum, perhaps there should be a rule similar to the sports forum about being stupid regarding other people's sports. Just my .02

Actually, there is a rule for that.

However, i don't remember anything seriously being said to that fashion. I'll go back and re read just to make sure though.

There have been, however...a couple threads in GD regarding music where that has happened (this one included)...that is, however, out of my jurisdiction!

edit. After searching, there is definately none of that.

[noel]

Actually, there is a rule for that.

However, i don't remember anything seriously being said to that fashion. I'll go back and re read just to make sure though.

There have been, however...a couple threads in GD regarding music where that has happened (this one included)...that is, however, out of my jurisdiction!

edit. After searching, there is definately none of that.

Yeah I had my doubts. Hence the:

if there truly are...

[Sylvus]

I like Kanye's music. I didn't really listen to his comments at whatever fundraiser he was at, but I think the precedent was set before Kanye West was born for celebrities giving their opinions on things that they have no business talking about when they are on stage to sing their song or collect their trophy or whatever.

I'm only stepping in because I see someone thinking all rap music is violent because that's what they heard on the teevee. I'll provide a list (in no particular order, possibly alphabetical) of musicians making rap music that may be political, artistic, or otherwise interesting (in my opinion) without being too heavy on the bitches and guns. Though I do like some of that from time to time, particularly if they did interesting things with the drum machine or bass line.

A Tribe Called Quest
Aesop Rock
Atmosphere
Blackalicious
Beastie Boys (say what you will, Paul's Boutique is one of the greatest albums ever written!)
Boogie Down Productions
Common
Cunninlynguists
De La Soul
Del the Funkee Homosapien
Digable Planets
Heiroglyphics
Jurassic 5
Kanye West
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Outkast
Public Enemy
Quannum
Sage Francis
Swollen Members
Talib Kweli
The Coup
The Pharcyde
The Roots
X Clan

That's just a quick list off the top of my head and a quick glance at my rap directory, I post it more for anyone who may be looking for somewhere to start if you're interested in finding out more about some of the artists out there who aren't 50 Cent, G Unit, or part of Shady or Aftermath Records.

It's also just straight up mainstream hip hop, though several of those are on independent/underground labels. That's completely disregarding the other sub-genres that have interesting or entertaining music, trip hop, the so-called "nerdcore", cross-genre stuff like Ozomatli, whatever you want to label the Gorillaz or Len or a bunch of other bands...

The bottom line is that there is some good shit out there!

[Funkmasterr]

Good list, I was drunk when I made the post and not at my computer, so the number of groups/artists I could come up with was a bit shy.

I cannot believe I forgot my two favorites on that list though... The Roots, and Outkast.

[Ransure]

I like some of Slipknot's stuff... not all of it though...

[Tyek]

Beastie Boys (say what you will, Paul's Boutique is one of the greatest albums ever written!)

agreed.

[Sionistic]

If you like completely nonsensical, curse filled, hard rock. Then slipknot's first album is for you. Havent really liked any of the other stuff.

[miir]

I like one song by slipknot (duality i think is the name).... but the rest of their stuff is just awful.

[Hesten]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

We are all trying to ignore the bitch and really wish she had never left Canada, if it had not been for Peter Jennings, Michael J. Fox, and Bill Shatner we may have declared war over Celine.

As long as you guys keep Shatner, its ok with me, but if you try to send him to denmark, its a declaration of war.

[Atokal]

He was angry and said what he wanted to say. More power to him. Is he right?

no, people only have the right to say what they want to say if the popular majority agrees with them.

america was once a country where people were encouraged to express their opinions.

America still is a country where you can express your opinions. Problem here is the forum Kayne used to to that.

At a time when people are already suffering and dying in the streets I find it expressly stupid to play the race card. The only purpose that could serve would be to drive away potential contributors and foster hate. He has a venue for expressing his feelings and can do so with his music.

Kayne is a fucking idiot for making that statement.

[Aslanna]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

Maybe perhaps because one was a benefit and one was a talk show where opinions are expected? I don't see how the two are related. And I don't remember her saying George Bush doesn't like black people.

[Thess]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

She opened her tv and donated million dollar.

[Bubba Grizz]

Was that the entire video? I thought there would be more to it.

[Noysyrump]

[miir]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

Her criticism of the rescue efforts was understandable and not unreasonable. Your government's slow response failed the people trapped in New Orleans, resulting in (likely) thousands of unnecessary deaths.

She obviously felt very strongly about it as she was practically in tears.. and she put her money where her (gigantic and hideous) mouth is.




I can't stand Celine Dion but she's got a helluva lot more class than dickhead Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people.

[Bubba Grizz]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

Her criticism of the rescue efforts was understandable and not unreasonable. Your government's slow response failed the people trapped in New Orleans, resulting in (likely) thousands of unnecessary deaths.

She obviously felt very strongly about it as she was practically in tears.. and she put her money where her (gigantic and hideous) mouth is.




I can't stand Celine Dion but she's got a helluva lot more class than dickhead Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people.

Not to mention that she did this in an appropriate forum.

[*~*stragi*~*]

BUT THE ROCK IS ALIVE EVERY TIME HE RHYMES

This shitbag doesn't care, he just picks some politically hot thing to rap against to make him feel intelligent (diamond trade) when infact he's just another greedy thug.

[masteen]

Most rap music DOES suck, Kayne West included. It's got all the substance that hair metal back in the late 80's did, and all the political depth of a mud puddle. But look on the bright side: from that metal mess came GnR; we're due for the hip-hop equivalent any day now. Kayne West is not it.

[*~*stragi*~*]

gnr lol

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

Kanye Wests Diamonds from Sierra Leone rocks!

Especially the Instrumental version!

[masteen]

Bush loves the blacks. Just look:

[Sylvus]

At a time when people are already suffering and dying in the streets I find it expressly stupid to play the race card. The only purpose that could serve would be to drive away potential contributors and foster hate. He has a venue for expressing his feelings and can do so with his music.

Kayne is a fucking idiot for making that statement.

Unless, of course, race did play a part in it. I'm not saying one way or the other that it did, I think Arb was spot on that it was more about the people being poor than the color of their skin, but that's just an opinion.

The fact is that the whole situation wasn't handled very well, and if you watch your television you'll see that most of the people who are still in New Orleans are black. Does that mean that George Bush doesn't care about black people? I don't know. Will Kanye West's comments reach George Bush and make him go "Oh fuck that, that's not true!" and make him devote even more resources to helping those people who are still in danger of not making it out of there? Again, I don't know that either, but I wouldn't mind if it did. I don't really care what the motivation is provided the clusterfuck subsides and people get the help that they need.

I don't necessarily agree with his statements, but I can understand someone making that inference.

[Winnow]

Someone needs better photoshop skills! The subject playing a violin would have been better.

[Leonaerd]

Funkmasterr, why do you like The Game and not 50 Cent? This is a question out of pure curiosity, not intended to be a flame. Most friends of mine that enjoy rap like both artists.

[Jarori Bloodletter]

So when a black artist does it at a benefit, everyone busts a nut, but when Celine Dion does it on Larry King, noone even mentions it....

She opened her tv and donated million dollar.

Rofl.. Stern had a field day with her and that comment today

[Funkmasterr]

Funkmasterr, why do you like The Game and not 50 Cent? This is a question out of pure curiosity, not intended to be a flame. Most friends of mine that enjoy rap like both artists.

50 cent was talking shit to Ja Rule about how big of a pussy he was because he was always singing and never rapping.

Now look, 50 is singing on damn near every song he is in. Lots of the songs he is in that's all he does is sing.

The real 50 cent was actually a guy from queens that the 50 cent you know sold drugs for. The fake 50 was almost killed by the guy, but the guy ended up going to prison for life. While he was in prison the fake 50 (the rapper) Payed the real 50 off so that he could use his name. (the way he paid him off was by buying the guys family houses basically) Then when the guy died in jail and the family confronted fake rappin 50 cent about paying for his headstone he said no.

Hip Hop is about issues, rap (esp gangster rap like 50 cent is trying to be) is about the streets. Walk down the streets of queens, brooklyn, the bronx
or harlem and ask random people what they think about 50 cent. 98% of them will tell you he is a bitch and they can't stand his music (in not so many words)

He can't even go to New York without full body armor and a bunch of body guards because he has talked shit about so many people that he is bound to get killed. A few months ago he was at the radio station HOT 97 doing an interview and he started running his mouth about the game, and not 30 seconds later his body guard got shot in the face right in front of the building.

50 cent is a name thiefing, talentless, selfish prick. But I can confidently say he will most likely be dead sooner then later and that makes me feel better about the whole thing.

[Sumdaor]

Funk, I refuse to believe you didn't add 10 years to your age on your VV profile.

[Funkmasterr]

Really?

Care to tell me why before I put you on ignore?

I could prove to you in multiple ways that I am 23 just as I say I am, but I don't really feel the need.

[Sumdaor]

Because of stuff like what you posted above. I know you where asked for opinion, but if you belive that dribble just how gullible are you. What I really want to know is where do you get the "Facts" you listed in the above post.

[Funkmasterr]

If you listen to 50 cents music you can verify the comment I made about him and ja rule on your own (not that i would wish his music on anyone, even you)

The other comments can be verified by songs like "who shot ya" (jadakiss & styles p) New york, New York (fat joe, ja rule, busta) don't body yourself(nas) and on and on and on.

Don't be ignorant and say these people that grew up in the same city as 50 and know him and what he did are full of shit. If you still don't believe that I can try and dig for some articles.

p.s. the thing about his body guard being shot in the face was all over mtv within about 15 minutes of it happening, so that shouldnt be hard to find info about.

[Funkmasterr]

Here is a link to a recent article about the people who will most likely end up doing 15 cent in

Murder Inc

Here is one of several links I found about the real vs. fake 50 cent. I won't post the others cause its mostly repeats of info.
Fake 50

So I was a bit off on this one, but the theory of the matter is basically the same

50 cents bodyguard shot

I didn't find a link that wasn't partially glorified by 50 cent making it look like he is paying tribute to the guy. Then again I only looked for abtou a minute and a half. try google and look around and im sure you'll find plenty of articles verifying what I posted.[/url]

[Tyek]

And this is the crux of my issues with Rap music. Do you realize that you are caught up in a fight over WORDS. He said something about the guy and now they feel he must die. That makes a shitload of sense.

Now let me tell you a little story about something that happened while I was there, and was not written in a song, or gleened of some obviously reliable sources like I am sure most street information is.

I have a friend with a limo company. When we had a bunch of sick people in So Cal he was out of drivers. We were talking and he asks if I was doing anything and if not would I want to drive a new rapper to his release party. He offered to pay me 400 dollars for the night and the wife was studying so I thought what the fuck.

Well I was supposed to pick him up at 7 and have him at the club by 9. After 5 stops to find his sorry ass we finally get him. On the way they say they have one more pick up. I take them to the house and they all pile out. I look at the manager and say "Let me guess, I just facilitated a drug buy?" he just shrugs his shoulders. They get back in the the limo and start smoking tons of weed. I try to close the window, but they kept opening it, joking and goofing around. Fine I guess but stupid.

We get to the club and all go inside. I am supposed to hang close and help with security if needed, not 5 minutes inside the club his entourage start a giant fight. I am thinking this is great I get to go home soon, but no the manager works it out. 5 fights later I say screw it and go sit in the limo until 2 am closing.

After another fight at the door in which I get shut in a room with 2 guys fighting and 8 security guards I finally find them. They are argueing with management because they are trying to stiff 3 of the waitresses. During this exchange on of his "friends" steals some food from the bar area and is bragging about it. He immediately is confronted for stealing it and instead of admitting this he says "say I steal it again and I will beat your ass." The club realizing 3 dollars in food is not worth it asks them to go. This is of course not enough, he has been disrespected and asks me if he can get something from the car. I tell him I need to wait for my client and he settles down. 2 more fights and we finally leave.

At 4 am I drop this rapper off in the shittiest apartments I have seen and before he lets me open his door he gets out says "see ya, thanks for being so cool, we want to use you again"....no tip i notice, but I have 2 more stops. I drop off the last two and both get out and do not even look me in the face. Ok fine stiffed.

I drive home contact high in place from all the weed they smoked on the way home and dropped the car off. At 7 am the manager calls me and says they forgot something in the limo. I tell him I already dropped it off, but I will call the company and tell them. I ask what it was and he says I cannot really say. I call my friend and tell him to clean the limo out that they left some drugs in there, he calls me back 2 hours later and says, no on the drugs, they left loaded guns. So flash back to jackass pizza stealer, he is upset because he steals something, then when confronted he wanted to go to the car. Do you see what I am getting at, your heroes were willing to shoot someone for doing there job because they were caught and disrespected. You want respect from these people and they would just as soon shoot you.

I also found out that the rapper had been given a tip to give me and decided to keep it.

So now you say, well he is an unknown punk. No he is not, he has been on several albums, hangs with Snoop and others and was produced by a respected rap producer. In a month or two you will buy into the hype regarding him and buy his album. Funny thing is, talking to my friend, they had a similiar incident with a well known "friendly rapper" recently and no longer will drive hip hop, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

So think this over Funkmaster, what gets you upset is people making fun of a music you like, yet a good portion of the gangster rappers are horrible horrible people who would shoot you over words or pizza. I guess being 23 and single you do not have much to worry about yet, no family, serious job whatever, but pick something worth fighting over.

[Funkmasterr]

First off, I cannot believe you post this

Just go to the retard section now, I think that may be where the 8 or 10 people you were referring to are most active.

on one thread, then on the next you are trying to preach to me like I really want to hear what you have to say.

But I did anyhow, and I will respond in a way you non-confrontational people are comfortable with.

Rappers?
That kind of behavior is not indigenous to rappers. That behavior is learned from the roach rat and shit infested places they grow up in. Then these people who have known nothing but the streets make it big because they can make words rhyme and they carry their behavior over to their music.

Why? because it is what they know, and always have known. Does this make it right? No, of course it doesn't. But it makes me sick to think that parents out there expect that these guys are going to change their music and their lifestyle once they get famous to something positive because you consider them a role model to your children.

Well I say fuck that, they are not role models. They are rappers making the music about what they do and have seen, they are not there to tell your kids to be in school, or not to do drugs, or not to shoot guns, that is YOUR responsibillity as a parent.

Why do I have a feeling that it is so easy for some people to point the finger and say yeah, but they can rise above that, they don't need to live that life anymore. Well I would like to see you have the life a lot of them have had and become some Reverend Run.

Last point, then i'm giving up on all these threads I was stupid enough to post my opinion on.

These guys made it big BECAUSE they rap about bitches, guns, weed, coke, killing people, because thats what the vast majority of other people like them, and face it, of white suburbia (your kids) want to hear.
This is not going to change, they made it big for that reason and of course they are going to keep doing it because that is what is paying for them to live the life they live.

P.S.
Just being that I am accused of stereotyping and being racist constantly on these boards, I would like to point out that while the subject of your last post is valid, it is a huge stereotype to say that because you had this one experience, and have heard of a few others, that this is how -rappers- are.
Not a fair generalization to make if you ask me.

[Tyek]

You can accuse me of being racist all you want but I stand by the comment that a majority of the major gangster rappers have been affiliated with this lifestyle.

TuPac - Shot
Biggie - Shot
Eminem - arrested for threatening someone with a gun
Snoop - was under arrest for murder
Run DMC - member shot
Puff Diddly widdly - whatever he was called - gun incident
Gangstarr - pulled gun on manager
Dr Dre - allegedly beat a woman
50 Cent- Shot several times
Game - Shot

I could go on if you like, so nice try on the racist angle. While I understand some are not, I would put that list up against virtually any group of people in the country and not find that high of a percentage of incidents.

[kyoukan]

I could go on if you like, so nice try on the racist angle. While I understand some are not, I would put that list up against virtually any group of people in the country and not find that high of a percentage of incidents.

are you high? i could give you a list of rock and roll artists/bands 10x longer just off the top of my head. and that's not even counting drug overdoses.

[Nick]

Are you trying to say gun culture is as prevelant in rock and roll as it is in gangsta rap?

[kyoukan]

I don't know. Are you trying to say that wearing sun tan lotion drastically reduces the thread of skin cancer if you spend a lot of time outdoors?

[Nick]

No but I'm sure the thread on skin cancer will come up on VV one day though.

Seriously though Kyoukan, it isn't clear why you appear to think is so outrageous (so that you ask them if they are "high") about saying that a lot if not all of the major gangsta rappers are an assortment of gun/violence happy thugs.

Take the top 10 rock n roll musicians and compare their violent criminal history (sorry - drugs aren't violent) with the pseudo gangsters mentioned above, where and what exactly is your point again?

[Funkmasterr]

You can accuse me of being racist all you want but I stand by the comment that a majority of the major gangster rappers have been affiliated with this lifestyle.

TuPac - Shot
Biggie - Shot
Eminem - arrested for threatening someone with a gun
Snoop - was under arrest for murder
Run DMC - member shot
Puff Diddly widdly - whatever he was called - gun incident
Gangstarr - pulled gun on manager
Dr Dre - allegedly beat a woman
50 Cent- Shot several times
Game - Shot

I could go on if you like, so nice try on the racist angle. While I understand some are not, I would put that list up against virtually any group of people in the country and not find that high of a percentage of incidents.

Tupac- Ill give you

Biggie- same

eminem- I hadnt heard of that, but in no way is he a gangster, or a gangster rapper

snoop- and he was found not guilty on all charges so you saying that is irrelevant. Although what you failed to mention that he has been heavily involved with the crips for a long time, which would have been a better point.

Run DMC(Jam Master Jay)- Yeah, he was innocent and was gunned down in his recording studio, that really makes him a bad person ?? Read the first article I posted above for more info too btw.

P diddy - the gun may have been his, but he didnt do anything with it, shyne did (he shot several people in the club) and thats why shyne went to jail for ten years, not puffy.

Gangstarr- no idea

Dre- also found not guilty so no relevance (dre has been a studio gangster for years)

50 cent - is not tough, has never shot anyone. But yes, he does portray that he is tough and was shot

game- being shot hardly proves your point (he was gunned down while he was playing a card game in a friends house, he didn't even see it coming) Although he is a Blood, which would once again have been a better point.

[Tyek]

I was talking violent crime Kyou, not drugs.

I think drugs are prevelant in lots of environments and careers. I just think a disproportionate percentage of gangster rappers (notice I did not specify a color, although you could infer because most gangster rappers are african american that I was doing so) carry guns, or are involved in violent crimes. I did this in response to his saying my statements were racist. I am not saying I do not have a racist bone in my body. I think we all have preconceived notions that we would rather not admit. I will tell you that all in all I try and treat all people equal.

I would put my posted statements up against Funkmasterr any day and ask you to look and see who you feel is the racist. I did have a very bad night,and believe it or not, that was the condensed version of the evening. I could tell you much more, which may skew my opinion. My point, the one Funk seems to be missing, is that there are far more important things in life to make a stand on.

While Nick and I do not agree on some things, he is standing up for what seem to me to be high moral standards. You have done so in past posts as well Kyou. All I have seen Funk stand for is Rap, which in the grand scheme of things is kinda sad.

[Tyek]

are you high? i could give you a list of rock and roll artists/bands 10x longer just off the top of my head. and that's not even counting drug overdoses

Forgot to add, no not today. I thought about taking the Ultracet since the knees were bad, but decided against it. You do seem to be fascinated with drugs lately though, you Jonesin'?

[Momopi]

You are an idiot. Unless you stopped listening to music in the 70's, would you care to tell me what you listen to that is so superior to rap music ? 99.9% of rock music made after 1985 is 100% garbage. No that is not opinion, that is a fact, and no one elses opinion matters on the subject because I am right, period.

There is no such thing as fact when it comes to saying something like that. I would say the same thing about rap/hip hop music, but it still isn't fact only opinion. You sound like one of those movie critics who only like movies that were made before 1960.

[Kylere]

Rappers are like smokers, if we could get them all to die the next time they glorified violence and were so openly misogynistic they would stop. But as long as they cannot see a direct connection they are incapable of it.

Rap has to change too severely to have survived, it is the only medium in which being a "classic" is considered a lame thing. In rock everyone respects their roots, and in rap they talk shit about them.