People who own GIANT vehicles...

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 20, 2002, 8:28 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:I must confess that I'd take some form of personal pleasure in owning one just because I knew it would piss off environmentalists.

DAMN THE MAN! JOIN THE REVOLUTION!

/yawn

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 20, 2002, 8:30 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
I don't own a SUV (me->light pickup), but I do know people and instances where they're a good fit.

If the vehicle is a good fit, you must acquit!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 20, 2002, 8:40 pm

Skogen wrote: *sniff* you don't remember me Kyoukan!? We are old guildmates!! (for a while, at least)

Of course I remember skogen icefurby.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 20, 2002, 8:44 pm

Neost wrote:WTF?!?!? I just got home from an appointment and someone has posted using my account!

DAMN LEET HAXORS!!!

It wasn't me it was my brother/sister/dog/cousin/mom/xouqa/pyrella!

I wouldn't say those things!!!!!!

Damn, Kyo...you take all the fun out of it....

I can smell a troll attempt from a mile away. Experience, my friend.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 20, 2002, 8:59 pm

I live in Rural Northern Louisiana and for years have carried large quantities of heavy equipment all over Kisatchie Nat Forest doing endangered plant surveys and identifying critical habitat areas that needed protection for the USFS. Yup I'm a screaming greenie when it comes to saving habitat and endangered species.

Course mine's only a 2WD Cherokee with Limited slip differential, so Im not sure this constitutes an abhorrent vehicle...

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 20, 2002, 9:51 pm

abhorrent vehicle?

I guess you can't demonize a thing until you personify it.

What's next? big evil SUVs stalking parks where innocents run?

Maybe if you get a of gang eeevil SUVs together, they'll run off and mug a guy in the alley.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » November 20, 2002, 9:56 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Can anyone give me a real reason? And don't say "cause I have kids" because you don't need at that freaking room. My mom did fine lugging around 2 kinds in a Duster. And unless you live on a farm, you don't need it for "haulin' stuff." Also, I live where there are no mountains or snow or any environmental reason.

I just don't get it.

I didn't take her original post out of context whatsoever. If someone was to ask me why I drive my car, my honest response would be "because I feel like it". I think for the most part, people buy/drive cars because they like the look, feel and drive of it. It'd be the same thing as someone asking someone else why they're wearing a red shirt. Taste is subjective and people tend to buy things according to their taste - cars included.

If you want to rant because you had a bad driving experience today or every day of your life due to "big cars", amen; but don't try to rationalize the rant when people give you honest and obvious answers to a fairly stupid question.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 20, 2002, 10:06 pm

RUN AWAY!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 20, 2002, 10:08 pm

Yes, you're right adex. Noone has free will. Everyone does what other people tell them to.

In fact, I'm posting this because someone convinced my witless existence to do so.

icknay · Post by **icknay** » November 20, 2002, 10:44 pm

Kylere wrote:
People as a whole, are sheep, and the pack is driving SUV's at the moment.

This is still the most truthful post in this thread. I have friends/family in SUVs but personally we have a grand caravan mini (and 2 young kids) and I drive a Town Car...safer and more fuel efficient than the average SUV and it rides like a CAR not a TRUCK lol. I used to be in the car business and SO many women would complain that their Explorer rode "like a truck". Sad, ain't it?

Karae · Post by **Karae** » November 20, 2002, 10:56 pm

An American sedan? You spent too much money and got a crappy car, grats.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » November 20, 2002, 10:58 pm

Well, it is your prerrogative to think it's a stupid question, but then I could say that your answer was pretty stupid as well.

I tend to disagree with you that people buy automobiles solely from their taste. If so, I think everybody on earth would be driving BMWs, Mercedes, and flashy sports cars. People make purchases based on functionality, affordability, and safety. I do NOT think that "for the most part" people buy cars for the "look and feel" of it. Sure that plays a role in the decision-making process, but that is merely cosmetic. My taste might be for that hot new Lexus sports coupe, but common sense dictates for me that that car is completely impractical for my uses and my wallet.

Let's take for example your red shirt purchase.
A) There is a need for a shirt (functionality)
B) The style of the shirt, ie, polo, oxford, tank top (functionality)
C) What can I afford, ie, should I shop at Saks or check out Old Navy (affordability)
D) Color of the shirt, ie, does this match what I plan on wearing it with (functionality)

If based on your example, everybody bought things SOLELY because of their taste and they felt like it, we'd probably see a lot of people walking around in unmatched clothes. There are people that walk around completely unmatched all the time. Do you ever look at these people funny and wonder WTF they were thinking?? This is the exact same kind of question Lalanae was asking? If you have less than 2 kids, don't live in an environment where a large vehicle is needed, and don't need it to haul stuff around, WHAT WAS GOING ON IN YOUR NOGGIN?

You know, I ask stupid questions every day in my own mind. I asked one to myself tonight as I was driving home. The freeway was wide open..all 4 lanes were clear. I'm driving in the far right lane. The car about a mile in front of me was driving in the lane just left to mine. No cars were in front of us for a good long while and no lanes were going to end. The person in front of me then proceeds to make a lane switch to the next lane over (2nd lane on the left). I'm sitting there thinking, what could have possibly possessed this person to just make a lane change for absolutely no reason. I should honestly stop asking questions like these because I always chalk it up to that person just being plain stupid.

This became a bit longwinded...maybe I just need to get laid.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 21, 2002, 12:18 am

maybe

Klydon · Post by **Klydon** » November 21, 2002, 2:28 am

I am probably one of those that fall in the category of why do you have a SUV or mini-van. No family and I don't live in the boonies, but I am also well over 6 ft tall.

In fact, besides one car, I have owned either what is now called a SUV or a mini-van. I started with full size Broncos. Like the vision and it looked cool as hell. I did do off road, snow, etc and had a blast with it. I agree that 4 WD absolutely does not do a thing for stopping power and most people don't have a clue where the 4WD button is, let alone know how to drive one when you need it.

The two things I liked about the Broncos were that I could drive long distances and not feel beat to pieces or just generally wiped out from driving. SUVs offer a lot of utility to people who do like the option of either people hauling, or with some minor changes, hauling around whatever they need hauled around. Cars are generally good for hauling people, pickups for cargo. (Get a real nice pickup and it can do a bit of both).

I got to the point where the gas going into it and general upkeep was more than I was willing to deal with and I went in search of something more economical, but still also offered the room and versatility I was looking for. Mini-vans offered very much the same things I liked about the SUV.. versatility to haul people or cargo, good vision of the road and a comfortable vehicle to drive on the occasional long distance trips I take. No 4WD, but traded that off for improved gas mileage.

I do agree that the person using it as a commute vehicle that drives 45 minutes - 1+ hour each way should have their head examined, but it is their money and their gas.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 21, 2002, 2:50 am

Most cars don't bother me much- I drive a Acura Integra- so yeah, I get irritated when I can't turn out onto a road when I can't see over the car next to me, but it's the shitty drivers that really piss me off. Then on the other hand, I think anyone who lives anywhere but out in the middle of nowhere that buys a Hummer should be executed on national television and put in a memorial for people this world can do without. That being said, if you are going to buy an suv, why not by the most economical one.. IE: not a durango- they get worse gas mileage than just about any other vehicle driving down the street.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » November 21, 2002, 5:17 am

We all drove big 4x4s/SUVs in high school because our parents knew we would be crashing into things. A blazer with a ranch hand bumper is dangerous for those on the far side of the steering wheel. Get older, learn how to drive, get a smaller car.

Furthermore when you have a lot of seats everyone wants you to drive when you go places. Why voluenteer yourself?

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » November 21, 2002, 6:04 am

HAYLEY WROTE

You know, I ask stupid questions every day in my own mind. I asked one to myself tonight as I was driving home. The freeway was wide open..all 4 lanes were clear. I'm driving in the far right lane. The car about a mile in front of me was driving in the lane just left to mine. No cars were in front of us for a good long while and no lanes were going to end. The person in front of me then proceeds to make a lane switch to the next lane over (2nd lane on the left). I'm sitting there thinking, what could have possibly possessed this person to just make a lane change for absolutely no reason. I should honestly stop asking questions like these because I always chalk it up to that person just being plain stupid.

This became a bit longwinded...maybe I just need to get laid.[/quote]

Not being able to read a persons mind I can offer a few reasons for this lange change(but I may be incorrect) OK, it was night maybe you had your brights on? 2) if you didnt have your brites on maybe your dims were bugging him and shining in his mirrors just right 3) Since you say you were in the far right lane, trucks usally drive in the right lanes and cause grooves in the pavement that some cars that maybe have sloppy steering or tires that almost fit the grooves, are hard to handle. so you move over a lane and try it there.

just a few reasons

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » November 21, 2002, 6:14 am

By the way I drive a 94 Toyota Xtracab with 7 inch lift and 35 inch tires (you can see under my truck to turn =p. I live in oregon and I LOVE going to the dunes and I haul tools and stuff bikes etc.

One of the things I love most about my truck is....... when I want to make a lane change the guy in the Acura Integra is going to let me in =) had a blast in SF with the taxi drivers WOO HOO

My other car is a BIG ---- need a ride?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 21, 2002, 9:11 am

Arborealus wrote:I live in Rural Northern Louisiana and for years have carried large quantities of heavy equipment all over Kisatchie Nat Forest doing endangered plant surveys and identifying critical habitat areas that needed protection for the USFS. Yup I'm a screaming greenie when it comes to saving habitat and endangered species.

Course mine's only a 2WD Cherokee with Limited slip differential, so Im not sure this constitutes an abhorrent vehicle...

Mansfield?

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 21, 2002, 10:03 am

Cartalas wrote:
Arborealus wrote:I live in Rural Northern Louisiana and for years have carried large quantities of heavy equipment all over Kisatchie Nat Forest doing endangered plant surveys and identifying critical habitat areas that needed protection for the USFS. Yup I'm a screaming greenie when it comes to saving habitat and endangered species.

Course mine's only a 2WD Cherokee with Limited slip differential, so Im not sure this constitutes an abhorrent vehicle...

Mansfield?

Other side of Rural Northern Louisiana...

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 21, 2002, 10:26 am

Hayley wrote:This became a bit longwinded...maybe I just need to get laid.

Where shall I send the tickets to?

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 21, 2002, 10:34 am

OMG! Now there's a religious group asking "What Would Jesus Drive?" and using it as a campaign against SUV's.

My truck drives like a dream, absolutely smoothest riding truck I've ever been in:

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 21, 2002, 10:59 am

We looked at the Chevys, ended up with the Dodge as it towed better. Suspension on the Chevy 1/2 tons was too squishy with a heavy load.

The Chevys did ride a whole lot better than either Ford or Dodge.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 21, 2002, 11:04 am

Shoulda checked out the HD then. The Silverado 2500 HD is a great truck for towing requirements and still rides pretty nice.

Draagonacia · Post by **Draagonacia** » November 21, 2002, 11:35 am

The only time I get annoyed with the "BIG" toys is when it rains and some asshole decides he wants to plow through a street with a foot of water standing on it. He has no concern that he has a backwash 6 feet high that just covered someones windshield and they can't see shit for 20 seconds if their blades were not at hyper speed as they passed them!
Yea I mean you! Asshole! lol

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Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 21, 2002, 2:06 pm

Just to toss more fuel on the fire.. wtf are the people buying cars like the Avalanche or Aztec thinking?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 21, 2002, 2:11 pm

Those two are ugly piled high and deep.........

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 21, 2002, 2:37 pm

You are way out of your league Laneela

laneela wrote:I didn't take her original post out of context whatsoever. If someone was to ask me why I drive my car, my honest response would be "because I feel like it".

That's brilliant! I mean it! "Just because" is always the most logical answer to any question that begins with "why?" Glad you are so in touch with the reasons why you do anything.

laneela wrote:If you want to rant because you had a bad driving experience today or every day of your life due to "big cars", amen; but don't try to rationalize the rant when people give you honest and obvious answers to a fairly stupid question.

This is not an issue of a single bad driving experience, this is an issue of day in and day out dealing with oversized vehicles pinning my car into spaces, blocking my view on the road, polluting the environment and an OBSERVATION that people who drive these vehicles when they have no UTILITARIAN use for them is ridiculous. And forgive me for "rationalizing!" I'm sorry that its such a foreign concept for you, considering you live your life acording to "Just because!" You consider it a "stupid" question, yet our lawmakers don't consider the pollution created by so many autos to be a "stupid" issue. Also, what is so "stupid" about asking for explanation when there are people who are driving these vehicle with only shallow reasons. (i.e. "Just because") You also seem to forget where you are posting. Maybe you should pop in and call the pie/cake debate stupid, but then again, you might actually understand whats going on with that thread...

The only thing "stupid" here is you.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 21, 2002, 2:45 pm

Your government should tax fuel until it's US$5.30 per gallon like it is here in the UK. These gas-guzzling yank-tanks would probably become a little less popular

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 21, 2002, 2:56 pm

Yanks are more spread out than you.
Our geography necessitates automobiles.

Keep your 60% taxation rates to yourselves.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 21, 2002, 3:05 pm

lalanae,

Once again, before you go off the deep end over the 300 gallons a year of extra fuel a large vehicle uses, do a reality check and ask what the production of all those new fuel-efficient little boxes is doing to the environment.

Those who trade every few years in order to keep a fuel-efficient vehicle around are causing 100 times the harm of someone driving an older, larger vehicle.

Now ask why the U.S. politicians won't pass legislation encouraging people to keep their automobiles longer.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 21, 2002, 3:15 pm

Neost wrote:Shoulda checked out the HD then. The Silverado 2500 HD is a great truck for towing requirements and still rides pretty nice.

We did, the 4 door 3/4 ton models sell fast enough around here that you really can't haggle much. Getting them below 28k would have been a lot of work, and spending time argueing with car dealers is one of my least favorite things to do.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » November 21, 2002, 3:16 pm

Draagonacia wrote:The only time I get annoyed with the "BIG" toys is when it rains and some asshole decides he wants to plow through a street with a foot of water standing on it. He has no concern that he has a backwash 6 feet high that just covered someones windshield and they can't see shit for 20 seconds if their blades were not at hyper speed as they passed them!
Yea I mean you! Asshole! lol

Guilty

I love splashing in puddles. Though I try to be mindful of traffic around me. Besides - if there is a foot or more of standing water on the street - most little biddy cars really have no business driving there to begin with. And guess who is their new best friend when they get stuck? Certainly not the other little biddy cars.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 21, 2002, 3:21 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Your government should tax fuel until it's US$5.30 per gallon like it is here in the UK. These gas-guzzling yank-tanks would probably become a little less popular

The last time some dumb brit tried to tell the US what to do it was 1812, and the time before we kicked your asses also. You know if we wanted to support some coke head royalty we would need a VAT tax and a 5 buck per gallon gas tax.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 21, 2002, 3:22 pm

Fallanthas wrote:lalanae,

Once again, before you go off the deep end over the 300 gallons a year of extra fuel a large vehicle uses, do a reality check and ask what the production of all those new fuel-efficient little boxes is doing to the environment.

Those who trade every few years in order to keep a fuel-efficient vehicle around are causing 100 times the harm of someone driving an older, larger vehicle.

Now ask why the U.S. politicians won't pass legislation encouraging people to keep their automobiles longer.

"Once again, before you go off the deep end over the 300 gallons a year of extra fuel a large vehicle uses" I don't recall "going over the deep end." You, my dear, are constructing an argument so that you may play the calm, rational one. Nice try, but no cookie. I never said I think people should trade their cars in every few years, so stop putting words in my mouth. Stick to what is said. My complaint is why people buy these vehicles to begin with.

thx, drive thru

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 21, 2002, 3:28 pm

polluting the environment

Then explain this statement. Yeah, I overdramatized your remark. Sue me, it's Flamevault. =)

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 21, 2002, 3:46 pm

why do people buy large vehicles when they don't need them and they only pollute the environment more?

clear enough? Most of these mosters are new cars.

has nothing to do with trade-in frequency.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 21, 2002, 3:52 pm

Half of this environmental stuff you're listening to is from college professors who use scare tactics and worst-case senarios to maintain their research dollars. Hell I've personally witnessed evironmental embelishment here at my research institute! Say what the politicians want to hear to bring in the research $$$$.

I mean who's going to get the research grant the guy who says that things are uncertain or the guy who says were bringing it all down on ourselves and needs more money to find out how to stop it?

Take what you hear and about the destruction of the environment and divide by 100. That should cut out the BS factor. Add in suspicion of results based on biased research and you get to a stage not ready for sweeping statements about SUVs being the spawn of Satan.

Be suspicious

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 21, 2002, 4:07 pm

Adex, I can tell you first hand that the air pollution in Houston is terrible. My sinus problems are progressively getting worse, my boyfriend's son has respiratory problems, almost everyone I know has sinus problems to some degree. Its the air pollution, and its notoriously bad here. My physicians will concur as well.

Your opinion seems to be based on the notion that research is being falsified for money??? If you truly think that is happening, you have to assume that not just environmental research but medical research is also a waste of money. You say its all bs, yet do you have any accuracte information, any "research" that gives your point any validity? Without it, you are little more than spouting propoganda.

You also sound really defensive. What is it about these people who immediatly turn into extremists when you mention the environment? Chests puff up, men say fuck their kids, it degenerates to a hillbilly bar fight. What is so WRONG with giving a shit about what I am breathing and what I am drinking? Especially when its other people who determine the quality of the things I consume.

There is tons of information out there that is scientific proof of how we abuse the environment and how it in turn ends up abusing us. If you choose to think everyone is lying for their own gains, then no one can help you but a shrink.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 21, 2002, 4:28 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:...scare tactics and worst-case senarios...

which summarizes every post you and fallanthas make on a subject!

thanks!

Ramseis · Post by **Ramseis** » November 21, 2002, 4:29 pm

I think there should be a few rules to buying a truck/suv. First off if it don't have mudflaps then you don't need it. Where I live my car has mudflaps 2001 Intrepid. Also I am 6'3" and an intrepid fits me perfect and has room for passengers. Now if you do need a vehicle for hauling you should definately own one but if you are one of the rich fatasses who has to show off to his friends to see who has the bigger bank account I hope you roll off the side of a mountain in big heap of metal and fire.

Every truck where I am from has a gun rack " and no this isn't the south" and is used to haul cattle trailers, boats, and any other large equipment and that is what a truck or suv should be used for. Not to drag your yuppy ass around and your spoiled brat kids to soccer practice.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 21, 2002, 4:31 pm

Lalanae wrote:why do people buy large vehicles when they don't need them and they only pollute the environment more?

Two words: Penis jousting

I saw a Cadilac version of the Avalanche today, a ridiculous vehicle made even more stupid.

I wish they sold these in the states, nearly indestructible and great mileage:

Toyota LC78

Butt ugly too

I've driven hummers, what a PoS vehicle. Not all that great off road either.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 21, 2002, 4:55 pm

I drive a 91 toyota celica. I get 27-30 mpg and I like that b/c I drive 100 miles a day. I couldn't do that in a big ass truck.

Adex wrote:Take what you hear and about the destruction of the environment and divide by 100. That should cut out the BS factor. Add in suspicion of results based on biased research and you get to a stage not ready for sweeping statements about SUVs being the spawn of Satan.

So then I am to assume that only one out of every 100 endangered species is actually endangered. and only 1% of the trees they say are being destroyed are actually being destroyed, and only 1% of the smog that they say exists actually exists.

This is all due to the corrupt money-hungry scientists that lie about the research so that they can get even more money!!! Those damn scientists are ruining our lives! We should cut their funding and use that money for military expenditures. Man, I see the light.

Ninan · Post by **Ninan** » November 21, 2002, 5:10 pm

Doesn't everyone own a mercedes?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 21, 2002, 5:27 pm

We just need to get Xyun an NRA membership now, he's a convert

The issues are real, the hype and methhods of the looney enviromentalist fringe makes them all look insane and unbelievable though.

Save the rain forest (etc...) because when they are gone we won't have them ever again. Don't lie to me and spread half truths. Neither side is anywhere near clean in that respect.

Spotted owl sandwiches

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 21, 2002, 5:50 pm

I get defensive when others try to limit my freedom after being fired up by junk-laced research.

Is all enviromental research junk? nope, never said that

There's good work out there, but there's a lot of misguided notions.

One example of flawed perspectives is the idea of electric cars poluting less.

If you take the the wrong perspective you neglect to consider the energy required to produce an electrical source to charge you car.

Every time you change energy into a new form you lose some of it.

An electric car gets its energy from the wall plug, the wall plug has energy delivered to it by transmission lines and ultimately 100 miles away, a power plant. Burned fuel (coal, gas) is transfered into moving energy, then converted into B and E fields, then into potientials and currents. Along the way those nuggets of energy are converted up and down to ease transmission and finally make it to your electric car battery that releases only a fraction of what it took to charge it up.

ALL ALONG THE WAY energy is being lost in the wires, conversions, chemical reactions in the battery, and friction.

If we were all to drive electric cars the net energy needed would grossly exceed what is used today when we release the stored energy in gas right near the place we need it, the car.

In short high electric car usage would polute MORE!

That's just one example of flawed perspectives when it comes to pollution.

Do I want to recklessly polute things? Not particularly.

Do I want someone limiting my freedom drive a larger car based on flawed perspectives and politically influenced junk science?

nope

BTW lal you should check out some of the political wrangling surrounding the air quality in Houston. There are several agencies with competing interests, some that need bad ratings for more budget money (EPA), some that need bad ratings for research budget money (universities, TX-Dot).

Politics control the research, thus the research is pressured to conform with what the politicians want. Given this money-bias, its hard to pick out the good research from the bad.

Is this any platform to be arguing sweeping changes in what cars we choose?

quite dubious

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 21, 2002, 6:18 pm

why do people buy large vehicles when they don't need them and they only pollute the environment more?

Yes, large cars pollute more than small cars. No question.

Now, what I said was that trading cars every few years creates so much more environmental impact than large car vs. small that the size of car you drive is immaterial.

Just KEEP the damned thing! Trading your 87 Marquis off for a 2002 Celica on the basis that you are reducing pollution is a stupid decision based on flawed logic. IF you own a small car, great. Hope it meets your needs. If you don't being guilted by environmental misinformation into buying a small car makes you more of an environmental menace than the guy driving the 4WD and pulling down eight miles to the gallon.

Sometimes I feel like I need a crayon and wide-rule paper to make something clear on this site.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 21, 2002, 6:20 pm

*files this thread under: WHO FUCKING CARES?*

Much better.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 21, 2002, 6:32 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
why do people buy large vehicles when they don't need them and they only pollute the environment more?

Yes, large cars pollute more than small cars. No question.

Now, what I said was that trading cars every few years creates so much more environmental impact than large car vs. small that the size of car you drive is immaterial.

Just KEEP the damned thing! Trading your 87 Marquis off for a 2002 Celica on the basis that you are reducing pollution is a stupid decision based on flawed logic. IF you own a small car, great. Hope it meets your needs. If you don't being guilted by environmental misinformation into buying a small car makes you more of an environmental menace than the guy driving the 4WD and pulling down eight miles to the gallon.

Sometimes I feel like I need a crayon and wide-rule paper to make something clear on this site.

yeah, but you are arguing about apples when I'm talking about oranges. I'm talking about people *buying* these vehicles. Please read what I said above again.

I in no way suggested that anyone should trade in their large vehicles for smaller fuel economy cars. I happen to agree with you as far as people trading in too frequently, but don't you see that its usually *those* people who insist on having the biggest most expensive penis wagging vehicle they can?

And Adex, I choose to trust my nose and my doctor about Houston air pollution. Its very bad here and continues to get worse. My issue with big vehicles is only partially environmental, mainly it why people INSIST ON HAVING SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO USE FOR. Its a mentality thing. People in this country go overboard trying to impress. "Look! I have a lot of money and a big dick! Too bad my high school diploma only means I can read as well as an 8th grader!"

Just remember that for every authority who tells you there is a problem just to make money, there is an authority who will tell you that a problem doesn't exist just to make money. It works both ways.

sigh /crayon off

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 21, 2002, 6:38 pm

Oh for crying out loud.

You don't get it.

Driving a large vehicle means JACK AND SHIT to the environment compared to the damage caused by manufacturing new cars.

I don't give a shit if you buy a small car.

I don't give a shit if you buy a large car.

Just by buying a car you caused more damage than any large vehicle already on the road.

Now, if you want to sit around and argue about a squirrel being a problem while a fucking gorilla is beating you over the head with a club, that's your prerogative. Makes you look damn silly, though.

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