"This war came to us"

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"This war came to us"

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I found this quote extremely amusing:
"I want you to keep focused on what you are doing here," Rice told diplomats and troops in Baghdad. "This war came to us, not the other way around."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/ ... index.html

Seems like somebody has been tasting the Afghani opium again.
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You can make a case for the Iraq war, certainly. I'm not even against it. But holy shit, what balls to spew such horseshit. :shock:
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Post by Boogahz »

I think that she may have been referring to the "war on terror" rather than just Iraq. If so, she might have done herself a favor by stating that rather than stating it the way she did.
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Blissful ambiguity. That way this war can be "for Iraqi freedom", "against terrorism", "to find wmd", "to capture a tyrant" or whatever else they can come up with to suit their future political needs. Regardless of any opinion of either party, Rice is probably the biggest puppet I've seen in a while. I seriously wonder if she believes half the crap she's been spouting over the past few years....
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It would be funny if not for the implications.....
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Rice is the first senior foreign leader to visit Iraq since the interim government was created through January elections.
Interesting way for CNN to describe her. I thought Bush was your leader, not Rice, or has she been promoted?
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She spoke the truth. Of course it was brought to us by British and Russian Intelliegence agencies and we were quick to jump on that oppurtunity.
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Wulfran wrote:
Rice is the first senior foreign leader to visit Iraq since the interim government was created through January elections.
Interesting way for CNN to describe her. I thought Bush was your leader, not Rice, or has she been promoted?
Bush visited Iraq before the interim government was established I beleive.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:She spoke the truth. Of course it was brought to us by British and Russian Intelliegence agencies and we were quick to jump on that oppurtunity.
not true.

the information about aluminum tubes that Rice went on national television to describe as being for a uranium centrifuge was from a US intelligence source.

Never mind that Oak Ridge National Labratories (one of if not the leading nuclear technology centers our government opperates) had repeatedly told the adminstration that there was absolutely no way the tubes were for a centrifuge. they were for making small missiles (the kind which Iraq was not prohibited from making).

i'd go on with a refutation but it will serve no purpose. 99.9% of people are entrenched with their position.

the US invaded Iraq because the administration viewed it as an opportunity to proactively change the political landscape in the region. It was a secular government that was not popular with its own people. Iraq has massive oil reserves, so they are strategically important to the US as well. WMDs, Al Qaeda, that was all to get the public on board.

if you are still buying that mess, you are a great example of how effective propaganda can be.

i for one think (as I have thought all along, feel free to check the post history), that it may be tactically the right decision to invade Iraq for the US' long term interests. My problems with the war lay in building support for it by intentionally misleading the taxpayers who funded it and by mismanaging some key aspects of the occupation - which because of administration (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney and associated staffs) arrogance created an environment that has made it more difficult to successfully implement US goals.
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Wulfran wrote:Interesting way for CNN to describe her. I thought Bush was your leader, not Rice, or has she been promoted?
She's a leader in that she (allegedly) holds some higher-than-normal ranking position of authority in the American government. Now, instead of simply bashing america, lets try and stay on target of this thread and continue to bash the Administration and not the country as a whole. In reality, Rice is in no way a "leader." She is the quintessential follower: blindly accepting what she's told.
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she is absolutely a leader.

she was part of the group that put together this administration before George Bush was.

I read an article in the New Yorker, and this is from memory, so it could be wrong, but James Baker was having a meeting of people over at his place in CA. Rice, maybe Cheney, and some other prominant conservatives were there. Baker had GW Bush come over, and they pitched the idea of a presidential run to him.
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I just found the word usage a bit odd. Yes, you can consider her one of the leaders of the US in that she holds a very senior and key position in the US government (regardless of your opinion on how she fulfills that post), however, usually most media outlets reserve the "leader" title for the head of state. Someone like Rice gets a title like "senior official" or "dignitary" or some such if they don't use the actual job title (i.e. Secretary of State, Foreign Minister, etc). For emphasis they will sometimes throw in "high ranking" or a similar phrase as well.

My guess is this is Voro and the boyz kissing up for exclusives for when she runs against Hillary in '08 :shock:
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