New Ks'er/Ninjalooter on Veeshan.....

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » November 19, 2002, 8:00 am

Avryce wrote:[Thu Nov 14 15:25:37 2002] Zeusus backstabs Lodizal for 82 points of damage.

/snicker

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » November 19, 2002, 8:38 am

They didn't say anything bad about Aaeamdar, I did. Get your facts straight.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 9:07 am

Ransure wrote:As me, I can fully state that you people accusing Hackins have proven to be full of shit.... This board is for flames... so let fly... but where in the hell are your logs?

Ive been a part of 100's of kills where its questionable who got there first/attacked first/ first in force.... all I can do is act on what I believe is right at that given moment... As for Lodi.... Ive sat and watched a group of two die in front of me so I can kill him before.. not my fault, they attacked first, didnt have the force, and died. Course, these days, Im not entirely unsure that I couldnt solo Lodi for his phat lewtz....

Ill also say that I dont know Hackins very well, but he's been given my advice, and he can choose to run with it how he pleases.... I know if any of you fucks come here accusing me of shit Ill be all over it

Excuse me? Hackins has been given advice on how to avoid punishment for a blatant KS?? Dear god how could this be?!Please go back and read all the replies before this one including the part of a log that Avryce posted then claim hackins innocence ok? I can understand your crusade against bullshit but this isn't the place nor the time.

Speaking of Hackins, why hasn't he posted here? I'm sure many people have told him of this thread but yet he still hasnt been here you say??
I'm betting the reason Hackins hasnt said anything here is because he knows he will be eaten alive, he did wrong and he damn good and well knows it.

Just for future reference Ransure, this isnt a petty spawn dispute, we weren't steamrolled, and we werent kiting a mob around. We were there in force waiting and this was strictly a flat out KS, he knew what he was doin when he attacked and I bet he knew damn good and well what he was doin when he asked Hippee to help him.

I understand you like to stand up for people, but this time Ransure your just plain wrong, Hackins denied getting the kill WHILE he was looting Lodizal <--- (see the correlation here?). Then in tells when asked about the loot he said ask the group that got the kill (omg omg did he deny it again?).

Then once confronted by PE officers his story changes. He engaged first and we were trying to KS him. Considering the very day this happened he claimed he didn't get the kill nor the loot.That ones a killer right there, I mean the people that engaged the mob first were trying to KS him? oooooooookkkkkkkkkk!

Let's speak from a theoretical point of view for a moment, let's just say Avryce, Hooka and I were trying to KS, what reason would he have to lie to us about getting the loot or the kill? I mean this makes no sense he did nothing wrong but wont stand up for the fact he STOPPED THE EVIL KS'ERS THAT ARE US?!?(Very heavy sarcasm!)

Tell us good sir if it wasn't OJ, WHO WAS THE REAL KILLER?!?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 19, 2002, 10:19 am

During the entire life of this thread how many times has Lodi Spawned 4? 5?

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 10:29 am

Cartalas wrote:During the entire life of this thread how many times has Lodi Spawned 4? 5?

Yup and good fellas whacked him. ><

I'm not after getting the loot back now, its the principal of what he did and I want to expose him for the lying piece of shit. Since seein as how he'd lie about something as stupid as this, what else would he lie about?

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 1:57 pm

Ok, so you were steamrolled by a warrior and a druid... with a combined total DPS of what? 15? The enchanter (havent seen a name, maybe I missed it) that memblured the mob would clearly be the person at fault. But was the enchanter in the same guild as Wahoo? (or did I read that wrong also)

You also stated that you had others spells off, so the druid could have nuked 8 seconds before hackins engaged in melee! or even Hackins could have shot his bow at the mob before you hit your HT! or even small monkeys could have assisted the druid's dps by harrasing lodizal 10 seconds before your HT hit.... (please realize, 7 seconds from engage could very well have been mistaken for first there... its not like everyone parses thier logfile while they are racing for a mob)

You guys are claiming a steamroll.... on a mob that two people can successfully kill... you get steamrolled on 7 day spawns that take guilds time to prep for.... you claim he ninja looted, when its obvious he got the kill... and in his mind he was the first in force.... you say "WE ATTACKED A FULL SEVEN SECONDS BEFORE HE DID IN MELEE RANGE!" but you dont know what spells or non-melee damage hit the mob before your engagement time of [Thu Nov 14 15:25:28 2002]. You claim I gave Hackins the sekrit to Team Doku KS tactics, when in fact my only advice to him was to come here and post his side of the story, or tell you guys to fuck off. He doesnt place any weight in this bored at all and doesnt choose to post here as of this message.

So, in conclusion, you dont have a court that would convict him on these facts anywhere in the free world...

thx you, kill faster....

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 2:06 pm

I must also add.... did you zone into IC and /shou Anyone camping Lodi? or /shou Lodi camped! or /shou I wear womens clothes! but Im camping lodi!

Or, something that makes more sense /shou Lodi Engaged!

Everytime Ive gone after him Ive made sure to do this.... that way when someones looking over my logs.. they can see Im not only the first to engage, Im the first to announce it.... reduces confusing arguements about steamrolling/ksing/babysnatching.....

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 2:24 pm

Ransure wrote:I must also add.... did you zone into IC and /shou Anyone camping Lodi? or /shou Lodi camped! or /shou I wear womens clothes! but Im camping lodi!

Or, something that makes more sense /shou Lodi Engaged!

Everytime Ive gone after him Ive made sure to do this.... that way when someones looking over my logs.. they can see Im not only the first to engage, Im the first to announce it.... reduces confusing arguements about steamrolling/ksing/babysnatching.....

My god you are an ass hat. Seriously we asked Hackins to back off right when he started engaging. We noted it was engaged by us. He was ALWAYS within melee range. The druid in question didn't come in into well during the middle of the fight. Yes KS was possible due to the mem blur but it doesn't change what they did. As far as killing faster unfortunately fighting through enrage isn't something I try to do on purpose. Due to when the mem blur occured it is very possible that a druids *nukes* and warriors DPS could out do my groups considering I wasn't attacking. Zeusus saw Scoriae going in a number of times after enrage.

The chanter was in Guardians of Veeshan and was named Uvaas. Well for the retarded among us more log file action coming shortly.

[Thu Nov 14 15:25:44 2002] Zeusus says, 'WE ' <--- not the most clear yes.

[Thu Nov 14 15:25:57 2002] You say, 'I do believe this was engaged first Hackins

'
[Thu Nov 14 15:26:48 2002] Hackins says, 'like im gonna ks yall' <--- indicating oh I dunno maybe he realizes it wasn't his mob.

Lets also play MORE blatent lying from Hackins.

Thu Nov 14 15:41:53 2002] You told Hackins, 'turn the loot over and it'll go no further.'

[Thu Nov 14 15:42:46 2002] Hackins tells you, 'maybe u should ask the people that got the kill'

[Thu Nov 14 15:44:46 2002] You told Hackins, 'I hope to god a GM proves to me it isn't you but you opened yourself up to a whole world of being suspected by being an ass and not backing off.'

[Thu Nov 14 15:45:16 2002] Hackins tells you, 'the gm will prove you wrong'

Here's one quote regarding the mem blur.

[Thu Nov 14 15:50:46 2002] Uvaas tells you, 'adn i am sorry if i unintentionally did get him KS'd from you, i did not do it on purpose or was i in league with anyone.. it was bad judgement to nuke him, but i didnt expect to get agro.. sorry'

In conclusion may I own you more today sir?

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 2:28 pm

Out of mild (and even 'mild' is a stretch here) curiosity, what GM action has been taken to date?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 19, 2002, 2:30 pm

this looks like a job for the Retard Forum.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 2:30 pm

Voronwë wrote:this looks like a job for the Retard Forum.

Seconded.

I would still like someone to explain how under ANY circumstance a druid and a warrior can KS a rogue and a SK. Also, why the fuck did the enchanter memblur? Did Hackins use a jedi mind trick on him? Did ze germans get him?

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » November 19, 2002, 2:32 pm

Never underestimate the power of the druid KS! It can be done!

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 2:36 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Voronwë wrote:this looks like a job for the Retard Forum.
Seconded.

I would still like someone to explain how under ANY circumstance a druid and a warrior can KS a rogue and a SK. Also, why the fuck did the enchanter memblur? Did Hackins use a jedi mind trick on him? Did ze germans get him?

Aranuil if I'm holding and mainting aggro am I to fight through rage? Like i've said I hope the enchanter was being stupid but in all honestly it was probably an attempt at a KS of their own.

Regardless of who mem blurred it it is Hackins and Hippee who ended up with kill. I'm sorry my god like one hand DPS didn't outdo him in the slight amount of time I had after rage wore off.

As it seems right now you're mindlessly defending your friends in PE. As of this time I have no problem with how PE leadership is handling this. GM's at present have done nothing.

Scroll up a little you'll see some more posting from the log I had running at that time. In conclusion though considering lodizals HP the fact I was using a one hander and when mem blur occrued druid dots/nukes/warrior damage could easily out do the rogue who was doing most of the attacking.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 2:36 pm

Post the full log assmunch, youve taken every statement out of context here and posted snips and clips... do I feel pwned? no...

Once again, the memblur was the enchanters fault..... In your long spew of arguements here, you also claimed that Hackins tried to KS you on Stormfeather.... a mob with like 300hps!

Did Hackins get the kill? or the famed druid Hippee? your putting this all on a warrior who, by your logfile shows he wasnt trying to KS you, if the druid got the kill and let hackins loot the map peice, how was he supposed to know? Why in the fuck was the enchanter (pretty clearly not involved with anyone) NUKING!?!?! Again, a blatant try at a KS.... your flinging shit here at PE, when infact there are 3 people possibly at fault by your own arguement.... One non guilded, one PE member, and one GoV member....

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 2:38 pm

If the glove dont fit! You must Aquit!!!!!

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 2:41 pm

Avryce wrote:As it seems right now you're mindlessly defending your friends in PE.

Please show me where I've defended ANYONE in this thread. I haven't. I made a joke. I've bumped my post count.

Hackins != my friend. I think I met him twice. I don't care if he's deguilded, promoted to officer, whatever. He's no longer my problem.

Hayley, I think you could do it, but we're talking about a druid named Hipee here!

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 2:47 pm

Ransure wrote:Post the full log assmunch, youve taken every statement out of context here and posted snips and clips... do I feel pwned? no...

Once again, the memblur was the enchanters fault..... In your long spew of arguements here, you also claimed that Hackins tried to KS you on Stormfeather.... a mob with like 300hps!

Did Hackins get the kill? or the famed druid Hippee? your putting this all on a warrior who, by your logfile shows he wasnt trying to KS you, if the druid got the kill and let hackins loot the map peice, how was he supposed to know? Why in the fuck was the enchanter (pretty clearly not involved with anyone) NUKING!?!?! Again, a blatant try at a KS.... your flinging shit here at PE, when infact there are 3 people possibly at fault by your own arguement.... One non guilded, one PE member, and one GoV member....

I doubt they would care for the 50+ pages of log file just the fight takes up being posted here but anyone who cares PM me and I'll provide it. They're out of contest because I'm not including my /who random BS tells etc but if you want the whole log just ask.

Once again I place blame squarely on Hackins and Hippee. I am currently working with PE's leadership. Please sir point out where I said Hackins tried to KS me on SF? I haven't seen that one.

Check your e-mail provided the address you provided me works you should have the full log. Hackins continued attacking after we asked him to back off. Hackins received loot, Hippee received loot. Uvaas did not. Yeah it was prolly his own attempt at KS but he never the less failed. To achieve this KS I am more than certain Hackins and Hippee were grouped. Please feel free to talk to our own leadership to ask what was said to them when Hackins was quested.

All shit flung is squarely at Hackins/Hippee. (feel free to add this to sigs etc =D )

Here's the kill shot... for someone not trying to KS or something he sure attacked a long time after admitting he couldn't KS wasn't trying to.

[Thu Nov 14 15:29:31 2002] Lodizal has been slain by Hackins!

In reflection I wish I had taken the time to set spells to all instead of group but unfortunately I did not. After raids usually I just turn others hits back on since the empty hits mode box bothers me.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 19, 2002, 3:10 pm

If you didn't petition/report when whatever happened you're wasting your time.

Other than for entertainment value of course

Daender · Post by **Daender** » November 19, 2002, 4:27 pm

Well I usually just lurk these boards and read the flames rants etc and look at the pictures of the lovely ladies of Veeshan =). Well I thought I had to finally register for these boards so i can add my 2 cp's worth.

Uvaas is in GoV and has been MIA for like a week so I cannot confirm or figure out wtf happened. What im trying to figure out just like everyone else is how can we really know what happened. A post on our guilds website says the GoV group that was there was NOT trying to KS anyone as Lodizal was already engaged. As most people do as well as myself if i see an mob getting taken down I will sometimes pop an arrow shot in it for kicks. Not trying to KS but just for the hell of it. Its like a natural reaction to kick something when its down. I don't have an enchanter but do they have any nukes with memblur component that would wipe out previous dmg done to mob? Memblurring intentionally and unintentionally memblurring due to a nuke are two different matters. Obviously both would net the same result but being intentional about it is much worse. I don't see why our little gnome superhero would intentionally memblur lodizal. Maybe he was jedi mindtricked...."Cyber Sexx0r for mindblur!".

Well anyway just letting you know if we in fact ended up getting your Lodi kill KS'd I as an officer of GoV am truely sorry. But the fact remains the boneheads that engaged after you guys were already on it are still the ones that looted/KS'd yall.

PS....Well just looked at enchanter spells at Castersrealm. No nukes i can see that can memblur. Did he get aggro after he nuked and memblurred to get aggro off him? Heh this entire situation is Fubar.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 19, 2002, 4:27 pm

Aabidano wrote:If you didn't petition/report when whatever happened you're wasting your time.

Other than for entertainment value of course

And ours!!!

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 4:31 pm

Hi Daender.

JACKASS!

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 6:12 pm

Ransure your reading comprehension is getting worse and worse by the minute.

I clearly said (here's the kicker!) Hackins tried to ninjaloot Stormfeather from Morbok of the Companions. Omg did I say it again? Go buy a clue you retard

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 6:14 pm

[Thu Nov 14 15:44:46 2002] You told Hackins, 'I hope to god a GM proves to me it isn't you but you opened yourself up to a whole world of being suspected by being an ass and not backing off.'
[Thu Nov 14 15:45:16 2002] Hackins tells you, 'the gm will prove you wrong'
[[Thu Nov 14 15:45:55 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'it was GoV'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:01 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'raise OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of hell'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:04 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'uvaas ks'ed'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:09 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'he DD'd after blurring'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:10 2002] You tell your party, 'he had a DD in after emm blur?'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:13 2002] You tell your party, 'you got a log?'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:15 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'yup'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:19 2002] Zeusus tells the group, 'I reported it'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:19 2002] You tell your party, 'or can you take a screenshot and sned it to me?'
[Thu Nov 14 15:46:33 2002] You tell your party, 'can you take a screenshot of the mem blur/dd or send me log with it?'

All non chat removed.... Hackins seems pretty confident that he didnt KS you... when even the GM's can check those logs.... why dont you email the server GM on sony's site, thats the only way to get in touch with them...

But the above conversation doesnt point the finger in Hackins direction at all now does it...

Oh, and this little snip also... why were you guys KSing someone else?

[Thu Nov 14 15:27:35 2002] Transor shouts, 'been camping him all day'
[Thu Nov 14 15:27:42 2002] Zeusus says out of character, 'you cant camp him transor'
[Thu Nov 14 15:28:24 2002] Zeusus says out of character, 'transor STOP ATTACKING HES OURS'

Hrm, sure, you engaged first, but wasnt someone there waiting for him? Also, I see OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more people involved than just Hackins, Hippee and Uvaas, theres Jaxc also, whos he with?

Also, shouldnt you be suspended for your language in zonewide comm? your cursing up a storm....

Again, this log proves nothing, a GM will have to look at the loot tables to tell you what was looted and by who... but by Hackins own admission, he didnt get xp, didnt get the kill, and actually he was there within the same timeframe as you.. Saying that you engaged decisively first in a 10 second window where you cannot report bow and or spell damage is complete and utter shit.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 6:18 pm

Oh, i heard from someones cousins uncle's friend in law that last week he tried to ninjaloot stormfeather....

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 19, 2002, 6:21 pm

Okay this thread has bored me out of my motherfucking mind.

It is over now, go home and STFU

Christ

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 6:35 pm

I think the fact that it's an 11 hour spawn makes it extremely comical.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 6:40 pm

Aranuil its just the prinicpal of the thing, if he'll do this what else would he do. You know?

Also keep in mind he was MEM BLURRED at rage so they managed to do the MOST DMG AT RAGE since Avryce had to back off, and Lodi can't be camped its first in force not kite around till your buddies can get there and that was us.Also of note we had let them (Chaotic Soul's of War) kite Lodi around before since transor engaged first and ran him around. Sorry we aren't pricks like a person I could name here.

Oh wait I have named him here, but Ransure has gone on a personal crusade to see that all KS'ers get off scott free so it becomes our fault!

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 6:42 pm

Ransure wrote:[Thu Nov 14 15:44:46 2002]
Also, shouldnt you be suspended for your language in zonewide comm? your cursing up a storm....

Again, this log proves nothing, a GM will have to look at the loot tables to tell you what was looted and by who... but by Hackins own admission, he didnt get xp, didnt get the kill, and actually he was there within the same timeframe as you.. Saying that you engaged decisively first in a 10 second window where you cannot report bow and or spell damage is complete and utter shit.

It is well known lodi is on a first engage basis. Had the person who was there engaged first we would have let him kite as they did the next day when we were waiting on him.

As far as GM they got back to me in game claim they can't tell who looted what etc despite providing exact times. So far there has been no response to my e-mail a GM on the sony site.

There was confusion over who got it at first but you will note later that Zeusus said he saw Hackins on corpse. Regardless of the initial confusion per Hackins own admission to guild leader he did receive loot.

I'm through bumping this until there is any real news. There were reports put in about mem blur and kill shot and GM still said nothing they can do unfortuantely by that time initial attack etc had scrolled off. Yes more than likely that was a KS attempt by Uvaas the only way I could see him getting summoned is if he nuked after a mem blur.

Regardless of that though it is Hackins and Hippee who received the loot go talk to your guild leader Aaeamdar and ask him what Hackins told him. Per Aaeamdar Hackins said we tried to KS but he managed to get kill and looted map where his friend took the other items.

I'd like to see Hackins provide some hard proof or back up his side of the story. Until he has something to say or until I have any more real news I'm done bumping this. Honestly though Ransure find something worthwhile to post disproving what we've said please.

I provided you the log as I've provided it to others. The loot is neglible, the spawn is neglible the fact that a ninja looter or ks'er if you prefer is running around without any sort of punishment... well that is an annoyance.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 6:45 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:Aranuil its just the prinicpal of the thing, if he'll do this what else would he do. You know?

He might lead a guild at some point, to multiple steamrolls generally be a prick to everyone except his guildmates, and post Furor's home phone number?

Oh wait. That was someone else.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 6:51 pm

Haha that was good^

Oh Ransure, let me get this straight, your saying I should be suspended for swearing but Hackins should be praised for KS'ing? Please elaborate because it sure as hell sound's as if your condoning his actions.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » November 19, 2002, 7:00 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:EDIT: I talked to hooka and he doesnt plan on comin near here, if you wanna talk to him send him a tell in game, he's already pist at me for bringing this here as it is. heh

Or is it because you're still 2-boxing [Wa]hooka like you were a few months ago when you almost fucked up my General V'Ghera raid? Using yourself to vicariously corroborate your own side of the story is lame.

Ulvian · Post by **Ulvian** » November 19, 2002, 7:02 pm

Hypothethically

Lodizal = 30khp
Enrage =@ 10% life (3000 hp)

No clue what level the druid is, but, they do get a bunch of 1200 dd spells there, all of which arent bothered by extremely long cast, or recast times Ransure.

You know very well that even a cleric who burns his mana on nukes can out damage a meele at level 60 for a short span such as this.

Retribution: 496 damage in 3.1 seconds = 160 dps if unresisted.
Followed by
Judgement: 925 damage in 4 seconds = 231 dps if unresisted.

Now lets assume the cleric pauses for just 1 second while casting these two spells, for what ever reason.

1421 damage between the two spells in 8.1 seconds which is rougly 175 damage per second.

And in case of an Enraged mob which has been mem blurred at 10% health, very, very damn close to being enough for 2 people to get the kill if even a cleric nuked (Inferior nuking capability to a druid)
Balance here is 80 damage exactly...a fricken bard can do that in 8.1 seconds. Doesn't take a l337 geared warrior to put out 81 damage in 8.1 seconds (roughly 10 dps)

As for the Tudorf person, I wouldn't know, I wasn't there, perhaps he didnt have a force required to take out Lodizal at that time? Hey...Im sorry, if I saw a solo level 60 Paladin claiming a Lodizal spawn which was up, and not engaged, I would laugh in his face if I had enough people with me, and proceed to get the kill.

"Capable Force" doesn't mean 6 friends, on their way, not in the zone at the time the mob pops.

What amazes me here is the total lack of even considering a vague possibility of Hackin's being at fault here, especially seeing as he looted the mob which "He wasn't going to kill steal"

Followed shortly by the druid who "Didnt get kill steal" selling Lodizal loot in the Bazaar (even if he had the loot in bank from an earlier kill, its very shady untill that can be decided to be true or false)

I dunno, what ever, just disappointed in you Ransure, you talk shit to people you don't even know, trying to defend someone of whose guilt/innocence you made your mind up before you even saw the logs.

What ever, im a "fuck" so ill shut up now.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 7:06 pm

I have no problem saying Hackins was at fault. Watch...

Hackins was at fault.

Unfortunately, me saying it here has no bearing on anything. For example I could also say...

Ransure was at fault.

While the chance of me being correct here has been upped considerably (especially if everyone in a given zone is dead), they're just words.

The only thing that can really help you at this point is GM intervention. Even if a GL (any GL not really being specific here) is the most fair person in the world, it's difficult for them to know what happened and make a decision without having been there.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 7:15 pm

Edit: Aww I had typed out a specific instance where you were wrong but theres no need that will be shown soon enough.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » November 19, 2002, 7:38 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:Anyone that know's myself or hooka knows were not the same person. Jake just doesnt play much anymore because he happen's to be busy between college and work irl, and just as well I can't 2 box anymore because I dont have a second comp anymore but thanks for the info.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit on you buddy because I never fucked up anyone's general raid, but I was with The Honorable Few and they *did* help me with general as well.

The fact that you apparently CAN be hooka at any given time eliminates the whole "send him a tell" part of your point, at least so far as your argument here is concerned. I'm guessing most people here don't know either of you and getting the real one might be a crapshoot. If you weren't 2-boxing him the other night that doesn't mean it might not be you tomorrow if someone should happen to care enough to send a tell.

And you were not "with" The Honorable Few, you just kept sending tells to people in the raid begging to let you in until you were put last in line to shut you up. Call bullshit all you want but I was there. You were far and away the biggest problem faced that night. The guild chat conversations about you were pretty clear on that.

EDIT: That's ok, Z- I got it quoted for you in case you want to reference it later.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 7:45 pm

Again your pretty off, did you ever stop to think that just maybe it was because I was yelled at for being on hooka when jake was trying to get on?? Did you also just not think that maybe I stay off until he tends to get on?

Just to shut you up, I had asked Draywirt and he said it was ok. I wasn't ignored the whole time I asked Draywirt the second he arrived there and he said he would talk to you and then he said yes.

I mean you seem to know all and stuff but please prove me wrong I'm waiting.

One last thing, had I been asked to leave I would have, but no one had said a word to me about leaving infact I remember talking to a druid there in excess about this and about how you were having a bad day, I also remember Draywirt getting all pist because he thought he had fucked up his epic, but none of it was because of me. Your flaming skill is worse then mine. Thanks attempted derailment!

Lol

Wahooka_J · Post by **Wahooka_J** » November 19, 2002, 7:47 pm

From the moment Zeusus took this to this board I had intended to stay away from here, I wanted no part of it then and I want no part of it now. This should have all been handled in private and I'm not happy with Zeus for bringing it here, but theres nothing I can do about it now specially since I've been brought into this.
To the person who seem's to think I'm him and he's me you dont know shit. We are very good friends and Avryce is a good friend too, but I dont play much and I dont even really want to most of the time. He has asked me in the past if he could use me to buff and I said yes, why the hell not he's a friend and I trust him. Anyway if you wanna talk or have something to say to me again you can say it to me in game, and we'll talk, otherwise just leave me out of this, I have to many friends on both sides.

I think you all need a cookie!
Edited as I dont know shit!

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 8:06 pm

I

Wahooka!

Wonder how long we can keep this thread going!

Mak · Post by **Mak** » November 19, 2002, 8:33 pm

Z- I wasn't trying to flame you- I was adding information to your facts. I'd been reading your posts for a few days and didn't care enough to say anything until you started talking about sending tells to Wahooka, which I know has been you in the past. If you haven't been 2-boxing Wahooka lately then fine, but the fact that any tell sent to Wahooka apparently has a 50/50 shot of being you needed to be stated. Although, in retrospect, I'm thinking that anyone that actually cared would probably know that. /shrug

And in short regarding your involvement with the raid, you were a huge pain in the ass and the night would have been much smoother without you. I don't need to "prove" anything- almost everyone that was there commented on it, either in /gu or in communication later.

Wahooka- I didn't mean to imply that Z was ALWAYS you, just that he ~could~ be you. I was pointing out that using 'Wahooka' as a corroborating point was lame when in fact it might not be you, as you have both admitted that he plays Wahooka. Simple as that.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 8:39 pm

Edited and deleted time to just let this shit die

Wahooka_J · Post by **Wahooka_J** » November 19, 2002, 8:49 pm

Aranuil the weak warrior!

Well personally I'm hoping this thread becomes locked and moved as the people in it are just taking potshot's at eachother and nothing more. Should never have been here in the first place, and while I hope Hackin's does get whats coming to him, I dont want to see my friends fighting amongst eachother.

I

you all!

Specially that wannabe warrior = P

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 8:52 pm

I havent made up my mind to anything, but the GM's DO have the ability to check looting logs for a specific mob.... Here is exactly what I have said about Hackins in my responses to this thread..

As me, I can fully state that you people accusing Hackins have proven to be full of shit.... This board is for flames... so let fly... but where in the hell are your logs?

Ill also say that I dont know Hackins very well, but he's been given my advice, and he can choose to run with it how he pleases.... I know if any of you fucks come here accusing me of shit Ill be all over it

Again, this log proves nothing, a GM will have to look at the loot tables to tell you what was looted and by who... but by Hackins own admission, he didnt get xp, didnt get the kill, and actually he was there within the same timeframe as you.. Saying that you engaged decisively first in a 10 second window where you cannot report bow and or spell damage is complete and utter shit.

Ulv, Im only going off of the information I have.... in reading this log it is not just Hackins they insult, it is my entire guild... why wouldnt I come to Flamevault to flame? This situation would have never occoured if Uvaas had not mem blured the mob.... a druid with a full bar of mana is NOT going to outdamage a SK, rogue and shaman. Fact of the matter is, its a 12hr spawn with a +/- 3 window.... its a stupid argument... but I had some spare time to flame today so I figured Id get working on my postcount... Cant be considered a board newb when Ive been here for almost 4 years now

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 8:54 pm

I > 4 Wahoo's

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » November 19, 2002, 8:57 pm

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKA

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 9:05 pm

Wahooka_J wrote:Aranuil the weak warrior!

Well personally I'm hoping this thread becomes locked and moved as the people in it are just taking potshot's at eachother and nothing more. Should never have been here in the first place, and while I hope Hackin's does get whats coming to him, I dont want to see my friends fighting amongst eachother.

I you all!

Specially that wannabe warrior = P

When are we going to get together so you can teach me to play the mana song?

Ell Ohh Elllll!

Wahooka_J · Post by **Wahooka_J** » November 19, 2002, 9:18 pm

BAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Well inorder to do that I'd have to know how to play a bard which I dont

Ransure wrote: I > 4 Wahoo's

Sad but true, prs nerf ranja's!

cid · Post by **cid** » November 19, 2002, 9:41 pm

Ransure's trains>all

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 19, 2002, 10:15 pm

cidvicious wrote:Ransure's trains>all

Everyone can agree on that anyway

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2002, 10:45 pm

I been gone all day and this thread still lives? Good gollygeewillikers batman, I need a hug.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 10:46 pm

*hug*

All of my close friends IRL are only allowed to call me 'Rusty' or 'Mickey'.

VeeshanVault

New Ks'er/Ninjalooter on Veeshan.....

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