New Ks'er/Ninjalooter on Veeshan.....

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 15, 2002, 10:29 pm

Well on Thursday Avryce myself an hooka were all campin lodizal.He pops and I'm the first to engage with avryce following soon after along with hooka, we think we got him but I have others hits on and I'm seeing Hackins Transor and hippee all attackin him *after we already had him engaged* and after repeated ooc's and shouts telling them to back off they continue without saying a word to any of us.. Well next thing we know Uvaas comes along and Mem blurs lodizal at rage Uvaas nukes rage off hackins gets kill shot. Now Avryce hooka and myself were the first to engage and we would have gotten the kill had uvaas not mem blurred but hackins ended up getting the kill along with a druid named hippee whom he had with him.After all this was done I tried to talk to everybody but I was pretty pist off so I went off. Everybody claimed innocence when I talked to them but Hackins was the person who looted. I have tried bringing this matter to PE officers and that night I talked to Theznir who basically said there was nothing he could do and he hadnt even told aaeamdar. I took the matter to aaeamdar a little bit ago but he just wants us all to PM him on PE website. I'm not sure what course of action to take on this one and all we really want is for the loot to *rematerialize*.
Could anybody possibly suggest any other courses of action to take on this one? We are all pretty frustrated at this point and yes we have petitioned but still no gm.Also sorry for the horrible run on sentence just I am so flustered at the moment.

Edit:Forgot to mention Hippee and Hackins were together and Hippee is raiding with PE as of this post

Zeusus Zionysis
Blackguard
Veeshan

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 15, 2002, 10:41 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » November 15, 2002, 10:47 pm

First of all: Consider paragraphs, capitilization, and sentences which are coherent. You're lucky I even took the time to read what you wrote as it's barely legible.

Second: Talk to Aaeamdar, and PM him with the details. He is very fair, and assuming something wrong was actually done, I'm sure you can rely upon him to get to the bottom of it.

Spawns like Lodizal are sometimes controversial because they are so highly contested. I've been at more than one where two groups arrived and engaged near simultaneously.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 15, 2002, 10:55 pm

Retard

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 15, 2002, 10:59 pm

You certainly have a way with words. /giggle

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » November 15, 2002, 11:07 pm

petition or somethin

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » November 15, 2002, 11:27 pm

I thought I was reading a first grader's report on how their day went.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 15, 2002, 11:29 pm

It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!!

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 15, 2002, 11:33 pm

Aranuil wrote: Talk to Aaeamdar, and PM him with the details. He is very fair, and assuming something wrong was actually done, I'm sure you can rely upon him to get to the bottom of it.

Spawns like Lodizal are sometimes controversial because they are so highly contested. I've been at more than one where two groups arrived and engaged near simultaneously.

I did apologize for that but at the time I was so angry I was seeing red.I had tried to talk to Theznir after this happened but all he gave me was a "what do you expect me to do".Those were his exact words and he hadnt even told Aaeamdar.
I had talked to Aaeamdar before writing that post but asking to PM on the website so he could get to it in a few made it seem like no one was willing to help.

Yeah Lodizal is contested but when another group is clearly on the mob you back the fuck off its very simple. Hackins and Hippee knew we were engaged but yet they continued their attack as well as their was a marginal delay between when we attacked and when they attacked signifying they were *trying* to KS.

One more thing, instead of critiqing(sp?) my grammar why cant we just stick to the topic at hand?I mean its not like I'm just randomly bitching about pie or a pink BP, I'm talking about a serious matter.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 15, 2002, 11:43 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:I did apologize for that but at the time I was so angry I was seeing red.I had tried to talk to Theznir after this happened but all he gave me was a "what do you expect me to do".Those were his exact words and he hadnt even told Aaeamdar.

Which is why I recommended continuing to follow up with Aaemdar.

I had talked to Aaeamdar before writing that post but asking to PM on the website so he could get to it in a few made it seem like no one was willing to help.

Most guild leaders I know of are pretty busy. I know Dar pretty well he's a fair guy, when he has time to find out what happened etc. I'm sure he'll make the right decision based on the information he has.

Yeah Lodizal is contested but when another group is clearly on the mob you back the fuck off its very simple. Hackins and Hippee knew we were engaged but yet they continued their attack as well as their was a marginal delay between when we attacked and when they attacked signifying they were *trying* to KS.

If it happened exactly as you say, I don't disagree.

One more thing, instead of critiqing(sp?) my grammar why cant we just stick to the topic at hand?I mean its not like I'm just randomly bitching about pie or a pink BP, I'm talking about a serious matter.

Listen, son... I didn't flame you, and I wasn't mean to you. I gave you some good advice. Obviously I wasn't the only person that had a hard time with your post.

Nice of you to mention pie and pink BPs. It's almost as though you were trying to flame me, but no, that couldn't be it, could it? Surely you're not that stupid.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 15, 2002, 11:44 pm

Why should I take my time out to read your post if it's shoddily put together and without thought.

You should be apologising for being a moron.

However, on topic.....Whoever was to blame is a dickhead. I hate playing this game with dickheads.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » November 15, 2002, 11:44 pm

No offense, but an 18 hour spawn is hardly a serious matter.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lodi one of those spawns that if you get the exp, it's your loot? Like Ragefire used to be... I seem to remember reading another Lodi incident on this board or eqvault. I'm not saying this is the right way to handle spawns, but those were the rules set forth by Saiphos.

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 15, 2002, 11:46 pm

I happened to be one of the parties mentioned. As far as who engaged first I could supply part of a log showing it attacking Zeusus then me harm touching upon engage without anyone else hitting or being attacked.

I have petitioned and e-mailed GM. Right now I'm waiting for in game response to my escalated petition and have got no response from e-mail.

Regardless how events turn out with the GM I'm mainly posting here so that people can be aware of how PE is (or isn't) dealing with this and how Hippee and Hackins have presented themselves.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 15, 2002, 11:51 pm

8 hours is the new spawn time for Lodi I thought... maybe 9 I can't remember. That being said as a former member of PE, I can assure you that KSing is not tolerated within that guild, and that you should be able to talk to any of the officers and get a response.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 15, 2002, 11:56 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:One more thing, instead of critiqing(sp?) my grammar why cant we just stick to the topic at hand?I mean its not like I'm just randomly bitching about pie or a pink BP, I'm talking about a serious matter.

Maybe you missed what board you are on JACKASS, but that is the way things go here. Work on some literacy and then try again. If I got some half coherant profanity laced tell from you in game about one of my guildmates, the nicest thing I would do is just to ignore you.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 16, 2002, 12:03 am

I believe Hackins was guilded just after I left. Not sure who Hippee is, but his name is pretty stupid.

Then again, there are a lot of characters like that these days.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 16, 2002, 12:39 am

Kylere wrote:
ZZtheAssassin wrote:One more thing, instead of critiqing(sp?) my grammar why cant we just stick to the topic at hand?I mean its not like I'm just randomly bitching about pie or a pink BP, I'm talking about a serious matter.
Work on some literacy and then try again. If I got some half coherant profanity laced tell from you in game about one of my guildmates, the nicest thing I would do is just to ignore you.

Look man none of the tells I sent to people were half coherent and profanity laced. The only reason my first post was like a huge jumble was because I was so mad and didnt happen to be putting thoughts together correctly.
What I said about pie and pink bp's was referring to what teenybloke said considering he doesnt even play EQ anymore.
The only people I was flaming were Hackins and Hippee in the hopes that I could warn others about them and their dishonor.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 16, 2002, 1:46 am

Poor guy

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 16, 2002, 2:09 am

Obviously Aranuil should be flamed for not sharing his pie.

You pink BP wearing pie hogging bastard!

SHARE!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 16, 2002, 2:54 am

...what

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 16, 2002, 3:04 am

Funny, I thought Lodi's new timer was 11 hours on the nose, no spawn skipping either.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 16, 2002, 3:49 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:Funny, I thought Lodi's new timer was 11 hours on the nose, no spawn skipping either.

Yes, that's it. I knew it'd been moved up. Thanks Fair.

Colal · Post by **Colal** » November 16, 2002, 1:32 pm

Vetiria wrote:No offense, but an 18 hour spawn is hardly a serious matter.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lodi one of those spawns that if you get the exp, it's your loot? Like Ragefire used to be... I seem to remember reading another Lodi incident on this board or eqvault. I'm not saying this is the right way to handle spawns, but those were the rules set forth by Saiphos.

No offense, but nothing in this entire game is a serious matter.

There are two sides to every story, but assuming this guy is telling it the way it happend, membluring a mob to get the exp is still kill stealing. This doesn't sound like a first in force, getting steamrolled incident. This is pure kill stealing of a mob, and thats not something that people on server message boards make rules for. If he engaged first, and wasn't kiting the mob around waiting for his friends to arrive, then they had rights to it until it was dead, or they were dead.

Of course, who knows if thats how it really happened.

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 16, 2002, 2:16 pm

Just to add a note here... I wasn't gonna mention it til I saw Hippee's name mentioned. Hippee tried his darnedest last week to ninjaloot Vindi when KoE and Corps took him down. Little prick sat his ass down right on top of the corpse and wouldn't leave. Looks like this is his new hobby... He was there with Ancient Imperium then, but made a big show of not being in that guild... he was 'just helping them out"

I'd keep an eye out for this prick... I see a pattern forming quickly.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » November 16, 2002, 7:10 pm

WTF is wrong with pie?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » November 17, 2002, 2:58 am

Not that I am advocating KSing, ninjalooting , or really even care about lodi.

But can a KSer Ninjaloot? I mean if he KSed then he wasn't ninjalooting right? Talk amongst yourselves.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 17, 2002, 1:37 pm

Only if it two seperate instances.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 17, 2002, 6:24 pm

He KS'ed Lodizal with his boyfriend Hippee from Avryce myself and hooka.

Then the next day he tried to ninjaloot Stormfeather from Morbok since he had managed to gank the map piece off Lodizal after claiming non stop that he didnt loot or get exp... what a piece of shit

sarlen · Post by **sarlen** » November 18, 2002, 3:47 am

Well as a member of PE I have never seen hippie or what ever his name is raid with us... Im still however confused why lodi was memblured..was the chanter with them?

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 18, 2002, 4:03 am

Honestly I'm hoping the chanter who mem blurred was just being retarded but most likely was an attempt at a KS of their own.

At any rate Hackins has stated to the guildleader of PE that he had engaged first etc which is a lie. He also has admitted to looting the map piece and the person with him took other loot. This is all to his guild leader of course.

Basically chanter mem blurred then a third group there (Hippee and Hackins) managed to get kill.

I may post logs in a day or so giving Aaeamdar time to read the e-mail I sent him first before that and see how he handles Hackins.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » November 18, 2002, 4:42 am

I wouldn't get your hopes up Avryce, Aaeamdar has proven to be a disappointment many times in the past.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 18, 2002, 12:06 pm

Vetiria wrote:No offense, but an 18 hour spawn is hardly a serious matter.

Depends on who you are really. If you are a casual gamer 18 hours may as well be 180 hours. It all depends on your perspective.

Ulvian · Post by **Ulvian** » November 18, 2002, 11:31 pm

Lodizal is a short spawn timer, yes, less than 24 hours (Forget if its 18 or 8 eh).
Personally though I feel that its not the matter of which mob got Ks'd. Its just the principle of the thing that ZZ's group engaged the mob first, and was going to get experience, albeit the enchanter who was with Hackins had memory blurred the mob (Now nukers can get damage in faster than meele can on most non-raid mobs, just can't sustain it as well)

Heh, 18 hours isnt significant anymore? Had they spent 18 hours straight every time for the Lodi pop, and have gotten kill stolen every time, this amount would soon change to 180+ hours before they actually got the mob's loot.

PE leaders are good people like Aran said though , I have a feeling they will take care of this issue. It doesn't make for good publicity that you allow your members to run around being assholes to others when ever they feel "small penis irl" stress, and decide to take it out on someone in EverQuest.

As to Hackins...Im amazed, in the short time Ive known him he's really turned into quite a little asshole it seems. Shame too, used to be a very nice kid. Heh looks like it was a waste of my time to put out 15k for his BP gems back in the day...oh well, fuck it.

Hackins, as Im sure you do read this board, and will see this topic, this is my little warning for you. Watch who you fuck with on Veeshan, they all have friends, they all have someone who will not hesitate to fuck you over on a much bigger scale than some 10 ac mask quest shit components which can be gotten a couple times per week. By this kind of behavior you encourage that people apply "PNP bat" to yourself, versus applying player courtesy, so when "A rare named spawn with phat l3wt" is jacked from you, dont bother coming to the vault to cry @ it. Let me assure you that I will be the among the first ones to laugh you out.

Example having been when RoW cried here @ Ixtlan "taking" the Zlandicar to which they (IX) have gotten first, and after they had given RoW about 1 hour to buff up for the fucking mob. Now Ixtlan did give RoW all the loot besides ST piece...which was also funny "We want all the loot from the dragon we didn't kill" made me laugh so hard I almost fell out of my chair.
Back then we here found it ironic that RoW would be saying shit, after having rushed GoV's Vindicator spawn just a day earlier (no one from GoV bothered posting to cry about it either)

Zeus dude, I feel for ya, I hope you have better luck with Lodi in the future.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 18, 2002, 11:39 pm

Just stopped by to let everyone know Hackin's is still tagged PE and his boyfriend Hippee was auctioning the Lodizal Shell Shield he never recieved over eqsn. I appreciate the support we have recieved for this, and so far I guess they have gotten off with their guild. Oh well

It was the fact that they blatantly intentionally KS'ed a mob then continuously lied about it. That and the fact a piece of shit who deserves nothing managed to lie and steal his way to some loot he didnt even earn.

Welp have a good one folks an see ya all around

Zeusus Zionysis
Blackguard
Veeshan

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » November 19, 2002, 12:31 am

Rekaar on what baseless information do you say aaeamdar has been a disappointment. He has proven again and again to be fair minded and a very good guild leader. As a member of PE I would like it clearly stated that once the evidence is in (if any blame can be assigned from these logs) I am sure appropriate measures will be taken.

Cheers

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 12:43 am

Atokal wrote:As a member of PE I would like it clearly stated that once the evidence is in (if any blame can be assigned from these logs) I am sure appropriate measures will be taken.

Cheers

As a former member of PE I fully agree with Atokal. Not sure what your dealings have been in the past with Aaemdar Rekaar, but I've always seen him be quite fair.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 1:36 am

As me, I can fully state that you people accusing Hackins have proven to be full of shit.... This board is for flames... so let fly... but where in the hell are your logs?

Ive been a part of 100's of kills where its questionable who got there first/attacked first/ first in force.... all I can do is act on what I believe is right at that given moment... As for Lodi.... Ive sat and watched a group of two die in front of me so I can kill him before.. not my fault, they attacked first, didnt have the force, and died. Course, these days, Im not entirely unsure that I couldnt solo Lodi for his phat lewtz....

Ill also say that I dont know Hackins very well, but he's been given my advice, and he can choose to run with it how he pleases.... I know if any of you fucks come here accusing me of shit Ill be all over it

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 2:45 am

Well people asked. Tell me in which order you see attacks. Personally I see Zeusus getting munched a couple times followed by my harm touching and attacking. Hackins you'll note engaging at the end there a full 7 seconds after my first attack lands.

At time of fight his druid buddy Hippee also wasn't even there but showed up during the middle of the fight. Unfortunately my log doesn't reflect other spell casting since I had it set to group only for raids and never switched it back but you can see order of engagement very clearly.

[EDIT] We didn't kite, we didn't stall, we engaged. As far as people dying to lodi etc yeah he's fair game after person attempting dies. In a couple attempts to get him after this one other people have engaged and we've even stood down while they kited. Yes I hoped they would die but I didn't interfere.

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[Thu Nov 14 15:25:28 2002] Lodizal bellows and thrashes around. His flippers kick hard snow and ice into the air. His maw snaps and opens like a promise of death.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:28 2002] Lodizal bites Zeusus for 170 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:28 2002] Lodizal kicks Zeusus for 114 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:29 2002] You told Nachtigall, '!'
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:30 2002] Auto attack is on.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:30 2002] Auto attack is off.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:30 2002] Your shadows fade.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:30 2002] Lodizal was hit by non-melee for 1021 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:30 2002] Lodizal writhes in the grip of agony.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:32 2002] Auto attack is on.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:32 2002] You try to slash Lodizal, but miss!
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:32 2002] You slash Lodizal for 18 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:33 2002] You try to bash Lodizal, but miss!
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:33 2002] You taunt Lodizal to ignore others and attack you!
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:34 2002] You slash Lodizal for 28 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:35 2002] You slash Lodizal for 16 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:35 2002] You slash Lodizal for 48 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:36 2002] Lodizal was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:36 2002] Lodizal bites YOU for 290 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:37 2002] You slash Lodizal for 19 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:37 2002] Zeusus backstabs Lodizal for 82 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:37 2002] Hackins slashes Lodizal for 43 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:38 2002] Hackins slashes Lodizal for 31 points of damage.
[Thu Nov 14 15:25:39 2002] Lodizal was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.

Ulvian · Post by **Ulvian** » November 19, 2002, 3:03 am

<< Wonders why hasn't Hackins posted his side of the story yet.

Personally, if I found out that someone was accusing me of kill stealing a mob which I in fact engaged first, I would be all over them.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2002, 3:16 am

I will go with Toker and Aran on this one...yall come up with something or continue to look like morons. I have no idea who the accused are, but the names are a bit shall we say...fucking lame. Hippie? Good lord man, Jerry is dead. Seriously, aside from the folks you are knocking, who I do not know, I just see you bashing Aaeamdar, and that does not fly with me. Dar is good peeps, put or shut up mother fucker.

Avryce · Post by **Avryce** » November 19, 2002, 3:19 am

Honestly I don't feel like I've come off as flaming Aaeamdar. So far he has looked at the log and requested more information which I had offered. As of right now I believe he is still looking into this. I personally don't expect him to make this priority one as he does have a fairly large guild to run as well as work, real life, etc etc.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2002, 3:24 am

Well then, stop the hate. Dar is a fair and good person, as well as a good leader. Perhaps this would have been best served by giving him a PM on his own site without coming here and starting shit. He is not a person who would condone flat out KSing/ninjalooting as the claims here are.

Take this from me, an officer of a guild who does not necessarilty get along with his guild all the time. Also, I am still laughing at a name such as Hippie.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 3:29 am

Cane is just a gimp.... he suxxor!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2002, 3:34 am

Cane is just a gimp.... he suxxor!

You damn right, Doku.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 19, 2002, 3:36 am

btw, I just wanted to add.....

One # to my postcount.... and the fact that I know and respect Hooka... but Ive yet to see his side here...

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 19, 2002, 3:44 am

I would also like to add what a low postcount Rans has on the improved forum. Are we not good enough for you now???? hmm???

Pyrhus · Post by **Pyrhus** » November 19, 2002, 4:42 am

I think Avryce only made his post here after his name was brought up in original post. The only thing I see him doing is telling his side of the story and offering to speak with PE's guild leader about this in private and supply all the info he has.

Seems like the right thing to do in my opinion, but I do agree that this should have been fully handled in private, at least until the issue was resolved one way or the other. On the other hand, I do think Avryce is some kind of wuss for not using his /disc along with his Harm Touch on Lodi.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 5:06 am

DISCLAIMER: This is a joke.

Personally, I think if a rogue and a HTing SK get KSed, by a druid and a warrior, they not only deserve the KS, they should delete their characters.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 19, 2002, 5:12 am

Aranuil wrote:Personally, I think if a rogue and a HTing SK get KSed, by a druid and a warrior, they not only deserve the KS, they should delete their characters.

I'll second that, and add:

Cry themselves to sleep on their big oversized pillows.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 19, 2002, 5:18 am

First off - remember Lodizal was MEM BLURRED <--- (Memory wiped) at rage.

Second - I wasnt flaming Aaeamdar either, I full heartedly believe he is doing his best in this situation, but I feel if we had done this to PE they would have expect immediate action taken against us.

So therefore I felt it best to take it public to get the most immediate response.

So far in all the talks I've had with Aaeamdar he has been nice and very willing to listen, I have also been getting tells from other PE officers lately and they seem to be all over this as well.

Also of note I brought this to flamevault against Avryce and Hooka's wishes. I believed that PE didnt care because I talked to Theznir the night this happened and he said he couldnt do anything, I was alittle pist by that but I figured he'd at least tell Aaeamdar. So when I talk to Aaeamdar and he hasnt heard about this yet I wasnt sure what to think so I went along with what *I* (note me myself and I only) believed to be the best course of action.

Flame me all you want but I didnt wanna see Hackins get off for such an assnine thing.

EDIT: I talked to hooka and he doesnt plan on comin near here, if you wanna talk to him send him a tell in game, he's already pist at me for bringing this here as it is. heh

VeeshanVault

New Ks'er/Ninjalooter on Veeshan.....

New Ks'er/Ninjalooter on Veeshan.....

Sorry to hear that ZZ