Detroit Indiana Brawl

[*~*stragi*~*]

Did the guy start punching artest or start waving around a weapon? He stopped on the floor and artest punched him in the fucking face, then he got jumped by a COACH.

Just like in a concert where you can't jump up on stage, in sports, you can't go onto the playing field, court, whatever it is.

As for the plexiglass idea, I can easily rainbow a beer over a plexiglass wall with deadly accuracy : ) I think it's a good idea though. It works well in Hockey even if they throw stuff on the court/rink, it's usually only dead squids and such.

I thought the riot cops during the world series that came onto the field were effective : ) The NY fans shut up pretty quick when they were face to face with riot police. This must be an east coast thing.

right... and does the vocalist punch the guy who jumps on stage in the face while the other band members gang bang him with insturments? no, security pushes his ass back off or escorts him the fuck out.
no one really knows what the fan was going to do, but we do know he was assulted. sylvus and xzibit are spot on about this.

[Canelek]

Well put, Karae. I also share the same feelings about the game in Indiana. That should be interesting to watch.

[Spang]

here's another story...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1929362

ESPN.com news services
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Investigators interviewed nine people injured in the brawl at the end of the Pistons-Pacers game, but no charges were imminent in the case, the county prosecutor said Monday.


Police were also reviewing videotapes and interviewing witnesses from Friday night's melee, when Indiana forward Ron Artest charged into the stands after a fan threw a cup at him.


John Green of West Bloomfield Township was identified as the fan who threw the cup at Artest, said David Gorcyca, the Oakland County prosecutor. The Detroit Free Press reported late Monday that Green has several criminal convictions, including felony assault with intent to do great bodily harm. Green has three drunken-driving convictions, and Gorcyca said a condition of Green's probation was that he not drink alcohol.


Auburn Hills police told the Free Press that they are also asking the public to help identify a man who was caught on tape throwing a chair. Police say the chair hit several people, including a police officer. Authorities plan to release a picture on Tuesday of the man taken from video of the melee.


Gorcyca told the Free Press that charges will not be filed this week but are likely. If charges are filed, they would probably be for assault and battery, a misdemeanor that could bring a three-month jail sentence, said Gorcyca. The only possible felony charge could be against the person who threw the chair.


Police chief Doreen Olko said none of the people involved was seriously injured.


Asked if Artest could claim self-defense, Gorcyca said: "Even if someone did throw water, you don't have a license or a green light to punch them."


The prosecutor identified Green -- a former next-door neighbor -- by repeatedly watching footage of the brawl. He said footage showed that once Artest was in the stands, Green grabbed him from behind and sucker-punched him.


Green, however, told reporters he didn't throw the cup.


"I wish the whole thing didn't happen," he said. "I'm sure the NBA players that got involved in it wish it never happened, the fans never wished that it had happened. I know I don't. It was awful, it was ugly."


Speaking to reporters with his attorney present Monday, Green neither confirmed nor denied he threw the cup. Green said he doesn't remember what happened during the brawl because it all happened so fast. He added that whatever is on the video in the authorities' possession is what happened. There is video showing him throwing the cup.


Pistons chief executive Tom Wilson said Green is a season ticket-holder and will be banned from The Palace.


On Sunday, the NBA suspended Artest for the rest of the season. The league also suspended Indiana's Stephen Jackson for 30 games and teammate Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the five-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.


Four players -- Indiana's Reggie Miller and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman -- were suspended one game apiece for leaving the bench during the initial fight.


Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[xZiBiT]

Let me pose a scenario.

Lets say you have a teenage son and he is at school in his lunchroom. Out of nowhere he get hit with a airborne cup of pudding (or something of the sort). Your son gets upset and seeks out the person who he thinks is the culprit and lays a beating on them. Meanwhile the other kids friends and your sons friends get in a scuffle and an all out fight takes place between the two cliques. After the fight is seperated your son and all the others involved in the fight are punished.

Who shares more of the blame for starting the fight?
A)your son for for not showing proper restraint and letting the proper authorities handle the situation
B)the kid who your son thought threw the pudding
C)the lunch ladies for being understaffed

How do you deal with your child when he gets home?
A)congratulate him for defending himself in a life threatening situation
B)punish him because he acted innappropriately and took justice into his own hands

[Lynks]

Let me pose a scenario.

Lets say you have a teenage son and he is at school in his lunchroom. Out of nowhere he get hit with a airborne cup of pudding

Haha, that happened to Dups and I, although we didn't get hit.

[Jice Virago]

Clearly the fans are to blame. They bought into the environment that has created the thuggish modern NBA and they fanned the flames at every point leading up to this altercation. People with screwed priorities and poor self control would not be welcomed with open arms to any NFL team (aside from Randy Moss), but people seem to cheer these hoodlums on when it comes to the NBA (and the MLBA to a lesser extent) which just encourages more of the same.

All that said, if I was laying on the court and some Detroit asswipe tossed a beer at my head, I would get up swinging also. In the video that they show of Artest charging into the stands, the guy he attacked was chucking icecubes or some other shit from his beverage at him as he was comming, so that dipshit got what he deserved. Detroit fans are a loyal bunch, but as anyone who has gone to a Lions/Packers game can attest to, they won't be winning any prizes for sportsmanship in the forseable future. While the players are certainly in need of a crackdown, this whole shitstorm falls squarely on the NBA and fan's lap for allowing things to get this far out of hand in the first place.

[Wulfran]

All that said, if I was laying on the court and some Detroit asswipe tossed a beer at my head, I would get up swinging also.

For 5-10 million a season or whatever Artest makes, I could handle being doused with a couple beers/pops...

[Winnow]

Who shares more of the blame for starting the fight?

A)your son for for not showing proper restraint and letting the proper authorities handle the situation

Proper authorities in a High School cafeteria? Dude. If you get nailed by some flying pudding in high school you have two options.

1. Start hurling food randomly to incite a food fight to save face or
2. Welcome to nerdom the rest of your days in high school!

As for what I'd do if my son came home and told me this happened...I'd coach him on how to use some detective skills to find out exactly who threw the pudding and then advise him on appropriate stealthy retaliation tactics.

Or you could pull a Bad Santa:

Willie: You know, I think I've turned a corner.
Marcus: Yeah? You fucking petites now?
Willie: No, I'm not talking about that. I beat the shit out of some kids today. But it was for a purpose. It made me feel good about myself. It was like I did something constructive with my life or something, I dunno, like I accomplished something.
Marcus: You need many years of therapy. Many, many, many fuckin' years of therapy.

[noel]

Artest was interviewed on the Today show. He was asked questions about his behavior, his feelings, he expressed remorse...

HE ALSO PROMOTED THE RECORD HE JUST GOT DONE PRODUCING 3 TIMES AND WAS WEARING A SHIRT AND HAT FOR THE BAND

What a motherfucking imbecile. Clearly he doesn't even have the first concept of how fucking pissed off people are at him. Clearly he has no fucking clue how to at least attempt to recover some of his public image.

Good luck getting any endorsements Ron...

[Kelshara]

They had an interview with a Detroit fan on CNN this morning who sat courtside at the game, and he said that the comments had been flying at Indiana all game but in particular in the 4th quarter. He said he had not heard anything that ugly and that one guy in particular constantly went after Artest. Guess the asshole fans tried to push the buttons and they got the assbeating they deserved.

Also, from the video.. doesn't look like Artest really hits the guy up in the stands really (the wrong guy) and that he starts swinging when people grab at him etc.

I still say O'Neal got a shitty and way too long punishment.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

This is what happens when you take thugs, pay them millions of dollars, throw them on a court and expect them to act like educated mature adults.

[Kelshara]

So thugs on the court and monkeys in the seats.. got it.

[noel]

This is what happens when you take thugs, pay them millions of dollars, throw them on a court and expect them to act like educated mature adults.

Is Grant Hill a thug? What about Tim Duncan? Kevin Garnett? Shaquile O'Neal?

Don't generalize all of the NBA players because of players like Sprewell, Artest, and Jackson.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

This is what happens when you take thugs, pay them millions of dollars, throw them on a court and expect them to act like educated mature adults.

Is Grant Hill a thug? What about Tim Duncan? Kevin Garnett? Shaquile O'Neal?

Don't generalize all of the NBA players because of players like Sprewell, Artest, and Jackson.

Generalizing works when it's accurate. You can always name exceptions to any accusation. But it is valid. Sorry if you don't like it. Often people are afraid to face the facts because it might make them unpopular. Look at the overall decline in the NBA over the past decade. Numerous drud arrests, numerous arrests involving guns and violence, numerous on court violence, total and complete unprofessionalism. It is an easy realization. Uneducated, immature street thugs = the fight last Friday.

[Lynks]

Generalizing is for the ignorant.

Edit: If there are exceptions to generalizing, then it isn't really accurate, is it now?

[noel]

Generalizing works when it's accurate. You can always name exceptions to any accusation. But it is valid. Sorry if you don't like it. Often people are afraid to face the facts because it might make them unpopular. Look at the overall decline in the NBA over the past decade. Numerous drud arrests, numerous arrests involving guns and violence, numerous on court violence, total and complete unprofessionalism. It is an easy realization. Uneducated, immature street thugs = the fight last Friday.

I'm not shocked that you'd make such clearly prejudiced comments, but I'm curious how you explain the behavior of the fans who were doing their best Carl Lewis impersonations to get to the tunnel in time to lob their drinks/food/chairs at the players...

[Zamtuk]

This is what happens when you take thugs, pay them millions of dollars, throw them on a court and expect them to act like educated mature adults.

Is Grant Hill a thug? What about Tim Duncan? Kevin Garnett? Shaquile O'Neal?

Don't generalize all of the NBA players because of players like Sprewell, Artest, and Jackson.

Generalizing works when it's accurate. You can always name exceptions to any accusation. But it is valid. Sorry if you don't like it. Often people are afraid to face the facts because it might make them unpopular. Look at the overall decline in the NBA over the past decade. Numerous drud arrests, numerous arrests involving guns and violence, numerous on court violence, total and complete unprofessionalism. It is an easy realization. Uneducated, immature street thugs = the fight last Friday.

I can sum the above up in 3 words.

fuck them niggers

[Soreali]

This is what happens when you take thugs, pay them millions of dollars, throw them on a court and expect them to act like educated mature adults.

Is Grant Hill a thug? What about Tim Duncan? Kevin Garnett? Shaquile O'Neal?

Don't generalize all of the NBA players because of players like Sprewell, Artest, and Jackson.

Generalizing works when it's accurate. You can always name exceptions to any accusation. But it is valid. Sorry if you don't like it. Often people are afraid to face the facts because it might make them unpopular. Look at the overall decline in the NBA over the past decade. Numerous drud arrests, numerous arrests involving guns and violence, numerous on court violence, total and complete unprofessionalism. It is an easy realization. Uneducated, immature street thugs = the fight last Friday.

I can sum the above up in 3 words.

fuck them niggers

[Kelshara]

This whole thing makes me wonder if Artest has Bi-Polar disease or similar.

[*~*stragi*~*]

i agree with midnyte
it's inexcuseable for 'professional' atheletes to act in this manner.

[Tyek]

Ok I have a question if we have an attorney that reads this board.

The defense for someone like O'Neil is going to be that the fans came onto the court and he was defending himself. That the court is unofficially the sacred area.

Today I read in the paper this quote from Billy Hunter, head of the Union.

"If for example, a player were to go and stand in the center of the court and moon the fans, as far as we are concerned that's not on the court, that has nothing to do with the game itself. That's the kind of an off-the-court thing, because on the court actually means flow, the basketball game, the rules and regulations that control the tempo and how the game is played."

Did he not just kill Jermaine O'neal's defense? I understand that they are trying to get these guys shorter suspensions, but at what cost? If I am the attorney going against O'Neal and company, I use their own Union Heads words against you. You cannot say it was not "On the court" in the case of suspensions, but is "on the court" in terms of self defense. I could be wrong, but that is the way I would read it. Seems to me that they are looking at the short term win, but sacrificing it for potential long term issues in the courts. Sit out your damn games and try and stay out of jail.

[Mak]

Ok I have a question if we have an attorney that reads this board.

The defense for someone like O'Neil is going to be that the fans came onto the court and he was defending himself. That the court is unofficially the sacred area.

Today I read in the paper this quote from Billy Hunter, head of the Union.

"If for example, a player were to go and stand in the center of the court and moon the fans, as far as we are concerned that's not on the court, that has nothing to do with the game itself. That's the kind of an off-the-court thing, because on the court actually means flow, the basketball game, the rules and regulations that control the tempo and how the game is played."

Did he not just kill Jermaine O'neal's defense? I understand that they are trying to get these guys shorter suspensions, but at what cost? If I am the attorney going against O'Neal and company, I use their own Union Heads words against you. You cannot say it was not "On the court" in the case of suspensions, but is "on the court" in terms of self defense. I could be wrong, but that is the way I would read it. Seems to me that they are looking at the short term win, but sacrificing it for potential long term issues in the courts. Sit out your damn games and try and stay out of jail.

Not an attorney, but my defense of O'Neil in that particular scenario would be that I don't give a shit what Hunter says or thinks, my client was on the court when fans stormed the floor, and that he has the right to defend himself in ANY scenario, and then I hit hard with the pics of Steffi Graff getting knifed on-court at a tennis match a few years ago, closing with "It was Detroit, it was a dangerous situation, and O'Neil did what he had to do to defend himself and his teammates."

[Kelshara]

It was Monica Seles not Steffi Graf that got stabbed on the court.

[Spang]

the fans only started storming the court after the players stormed the seats, first.