How would the vote go if it happened today?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 23, 2004, 7:43 pm

Winnow wrote:
Sueven wrote:I was in CT. It was probably about 60% for Gore in 2000.

I tried to save CT but the liberals booted me!

Funny you said that about CT. Celestial Tomb had conservative leadership and steamrolled its way to success and prosperity and then, with the influx of liberals, our officer corps doubled overnight and CT bogged down into countless votes, indecision and big goverment!

Don't let this happen to our country. Keep Kerry out!

HAHAHHA Real Life Example

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 5:13 pm

I tried to save CT but the liberals booted me!

Funny you said that about CT. Celestial Tomb had conservative leadership and steamrolled its way to success and prosperity and then, with the influx of liberals, our officer corps doubled overnight and CT bogged down into countless votes, indecision and big goverment!

Don't let this happen to our country. Keep Kerry out!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 24, 2004, 5:25 pm

Anyone know what Xanupox' politics were?

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 5:34 pm

R of me.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 24, 2004, 5:38 pm

I thought Xan was against Bush?

Sirton makes a point though, I dont want a president steamrolling other innocent countrys to get there resources and fucking over our reputation in the entire world, but im sure GW would make a better guild leader then John Kerry

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 24, 2004, 5:38 pm

That makes sense.

Xanupox = Cochise

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 5:49 pm

I dont know how he felt about Bush...Hes white, male, military, stationed in the south if I remember correctly..But being for someone or against them doesnt put you in certain spot, so I really cant say for or against Bush. Example, I got a Uncle who hates Bush. But on a list of issues he was 90% agreement with Bush. More than me even. He still hated him.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 24, 2004, 6:50 pm

Sirton, you forgot that he also used his power to siphon cash and make a quick buck. Has to be Republican. The collapse did happen under liberal leadership though!

You know, you could use a lot of guilds to show different governments throughout the world.

FoH was the U.S.S.R. Ruled by an iron fist. Feared by most and ran over anyone in their way. Collapsed when their hard line dictatorship ended.

CT was your U.S. of today. Corruption and greed ruining a collection of offices (Congress) and the guild leader (President) that was built and prosperous by fighting for the little guy.

CD is the one that survives today and is what the U.S. ideal would be. Using DKP to keep democracy without corruption.

I am sure there are a lot more examples.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 24, 2004, 6:53 pm

hum since CT was a pile of shit and it is the US today.. ah makes sense! Thank you

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 24, 2004, 6:56 pm

Kelshara wrote:hum since CT was a pile of shit and it is the US today.. ah makes sense! Thank you

Since it is such a pile of shit why are you here?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 24, 2004, 7:02 pm

Kelshara wrote:hum since CT was a pile of shit and it is the US today.. ah makes sense! Thank you

All of the other countries are like Pravus Dei. They can be steamrolled at will by CT, except for FoH who has nukes!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 24, 2004, 7:03 pm

Who the fuck are you to detemine that CT was a pile of shit? I sure as fuck don't remember your name from my playing days.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 24, 2004, 7:08 pm

Isn't that a shame

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 7:08 pm

Actually I setup CT to work as the executive brance of the US. when I was there like Xanu. was master of war. Toshira was secretary of treasury. Good view there kilmoll.

Whos Kelsh?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 24, 2004, 7:12 pm

My guess is that Kelshara was in the Canada of veeshan....CoE.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 24, 2004, 7:21 pm

First of all - CD is not a democracy.

Second of all - While I may be a liberal in terms of real life government - for an everquest guild - I am not for it. I absolutely hated the voting in CT.

Third of all - I didn't expand the amount of officers - I was basically left with them when Xanupox left the guild.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 7:26 pm

Second of all - While I may be a liberal in terms of real life government - for an everquest guild - I am not for it. I absolutely hated the voting in CT.

I agree..were to many officers for a equal vote council. When was in it was setup like the executive branch the cabinet...GL was president and had Veto power, to cut through the red tape.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 24, 2004, 8:16 pm

Now don't get defensive Thess. I don't think most people believe you were the reason for the collapse. You do notice it sucks that the one in power when the shit hits the fan is the one who ends up looking like the bad guy?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 24, 2004, 8:16 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:My guess is that Kelshara was in the Canada of veeshan....CoE.

Kelshara was and still is nothing.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 25, 2004, 5:45 am

Raistin wrote:Has anyone noticed a 99.9% of ex CT members are bush supporters, thess being the only smart one.

ex-CTer.. Don't like Bush. I don't believe he's been good for this country.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 25, 2004, 9:27 am

Aslanna wrote:
Raistin wrote:Has anyone noticed a 99.9% of ex CT members are bush supporters, thess being the only smart one.
ex-CTer.. Don't like Bush. I don't believe he's been good for this country.

Yeah i remember most people in CT being against Bush. Of the orlando members at least the only people who were for Bush i think were ferine and me at the time, of course we didnt know what the fuck we were talking about, i do remember some posts after 9/11 praising Bush's handling on our message board though

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 25, 2004, 10:51 am

I would exspect most people living in a fantasy world to be liberal

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » September 25, 2004, 12:51 pm

So if CD is what the us should be like today? What does that make Sovereign? Israel?

I guess that would make Gaklek Ariel Sharon.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » October 2, 2004, 11:14 pm

Bump so I dont have to go scrolling through backlogs to find the link.

*Hugs*
Varia

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » October 8, 2004, 7:15 pm

nice numbers today, being that the post debate state polls are finally comming out

If kerry wins tonight, he will pretty much have the election locked up

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 12, 2004, 6:38 pm

More info on Electoral votes and how they stand:

WASHINGTON — An analysis of battleground states shows that while the presidential election is very close in national polls, state polls show a slight edge for President Bush (search) over rival John Kerry (search).

Kerry is defending more blue states, or traditionally Democratic-leaning states, that Al Gore won in 2000 while Bush has a more focused fight to keep states in the red column, or traditionally Republican-leaning. The president also has an electoral college (search) advantage he didn't have in 2000.

Part of the reason is that America's population has shifted to Bush country in the last census, shifting congressional districts and electoral votes his way.

Seven Bush states gained 11 electoral votes after reapportionment, while four Bush states lost four electoral votes. That's a net gain of seven electoral votes if Bush wins the same states he did in 2000, when he barely won the electoral college with 271 votes.

The shift means Kerry must win one big Bush state or several smaller ones to gain an electoral college advantage.

"Kerry would have to carry a significant state with a significant number of electoral votes away from the Bush column, which really gets down to Ohio or Florida," said election analyst Ron Faucheux. Florida has 27 electoral votes. Ohio has 20. Kerry is tied with Bush in Ohio and polling below Bush but within the margin of error in Florida.

Need Ohio!

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » October 12, 2004, 6:42 pm

Ohio resident here.

My vote is more important than yours!!

My vote can be influenced by monetary offerings.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 12, 2004, 7:58 pm

My better half finally signed up for vote! Gogo Kerry vote!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 18, 2004, 2:29 pm

More poll stuff. I'll keep it on this already hella long thread:

(CNN) -- Although most Americans who have been polled say they think Sen. John Kerry did the better job in the debates, the Democratic nominee appears to have lost some ground to President Bush in the popularity contest, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday.

The poll interviewed 1,013 adult Americans by telephone Thursday through Saturday, including 942 who identified themselves as registered voters and 788 who indicated they were likely to vote.

In the previous Gallup poll, taken October 9-10 after the second debate on October 8, Kerry and Bush were tied at 48 percent among registered voters. (Full story)

The latest poll, taken after the third and final debate last Wednesday in Tempe, Arizona, indicated an edge of 49 percent to 46 percent for Bush among the same group.

That is still practically even -- given the margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. The October 9-10 poll had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

But among likely voters Bush had a larger spread -- 52 percent to 44 percent. That compared with a 49 percent to 46 percent edge for Bush in the previous poll.

Hope you enjoyed those debates! Either the debates don't matter or Bush did a better job than you think in them.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 18, 2004, 2:42 pm

ope you enjoyed those debates! Either the debates don't matter or Bush did a better job than you think in them.

Debates have more influence on election outcome than telephone polls.

Hope you enjoy your telephone polls!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 18, 2004, 4:48 pm

That's a bad picture of Milla Jovovich. Get a better one!

http://images.google.com/images?q=Milla+Jovovich&hl=en

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 21, 2004, 5:59 pm

I was having a lot of doubts earlier but now it looks like Kerry is going to have this election wrapped up. We will get Pennsylvania, so in order to win, all Kerry has to do is get Ohio or Florida, im surprised to see that all the ohio polls are now showing kerry ahead
But one thing is for sure it will come down to whoever gets 2 out of 3 of Ohio/Florida/Pennsylvania
Of course, anything can still happen

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2004, 7:34 pm

Xzion wrote:I was having a lot of doubts earlier but now it looks like Kerry is going to have this election wrapped up. We will get Pennsylvania, so in order to win, all Kerry has to do is get Ohio or Florida, im surprised to see that all the ohio polls are now showing kerry ahead
But one thing is for sure it will come down to whoever gets 2 out of 3 of Ohio/Florida/Pennsylvania
Of course, anything can still happen

Kerry was supposed to get Pennsylvania. He would lose for sure if he didn't. Gore got it in 2000.

Ohio is the biggie. Florida is going to be Bush one way or another.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 21, 2004, 8:38 pm

Sirton wrote:Actually I setup CT to work as the executive brance of the US. when I was there like Xanu. was master of war. Toshira was secretary of treasury. Good view there kilmoll.

Whos Kelsh?

I thought you were the puppet propped up as a front for the second in command so he could do his dirty work in peace.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 21, 2004, 8:59 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
Sirton wrote:Actually I setup CT to work as the executive brance of the US. when I was there like Xanu. was master of war. Toshira was secretary of treasury. Good view there kilmoll.

Whos Kelsh?
I thought you were the puppet propped up as a front for the second in command so he could do his dirty work in peace.

Not really, he was more the "social/political" leader of CT, who gave us a slightly better image and held some power over Xanu, which is always good. I did notice that when sirton stepped down CT did slowly start to fall, xanu being the essential bad-ass heartless raidmaster with sirton keeping him on a loose leash was the perfict team, although they did bitch at eachother sometimes

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 21, 2004, 9:11 pm

Xzion wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:
Sirton wrote:Actually I setup CT to work as the executive brance of the US. when I was there like Xanu. was master of war. Toshira was secretary of treasury. Good view there kilmoll.

Whos Kelsh?
I thought you were the puppet propped up as a front for the second in command so he could do his dirty work in peace.
Not really, he was more the "social/political" leader of CT, who gave us a slightly better image and held some power over Xanu, which is always good. I did notice that when sirton stepped down CT did slowly start to fall, xanu being the essential bad-ass heartless raidmaster with sirton keeping him on a loose leash was the perfict team, although they did bitch at eachother sometimes

You're just pissed because the only reason you were in CT was to CoH us past mobs in NToV!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 21, 2004, 10:32 pm

love him or hate him, xanupox literally changed the game.

how you ask?

well getting disease counters added to Turgor's Insects for starters

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 22, 2004, 12:34 am

Voronwë wrote:love him or hate him, xanupox literally changed the game.

how you ask?

well getting disease counters added to Turgor's Insects for starters

I thought it was Trainamaf that changed the game by ninja'ing NTOV loot!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 27, 2004, 2:36 pm

Kerry 257 Bush 274 Thanks Hawaii! Aloha : )

Today at work I convinced a democrat not to vote. I told them we would cancel each other out anyway so we should both not vote and save the hassle.

SUCKER!

Time for some last minute campaigning in PA and WI.

2004. RIG THE VOTE!

It should be close with all the democrat voter scams going on!

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » October 27, 2004, 2:50 pm

Winnow wrote: It should be close with all the democrat voter scams going on!

And the republican sponsored "help you vote" drive that are shredding Dem registrations...

-=Lohrno

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 27, 2004, 8:10 pm

I mailed in my Pennsylvania absentee ballot a few days ago, filled out (properly) for Kerry.

Grats me cancelling out Midnyte! (or vice versa)

miir · Post by **miir** » October 28, 2004, 2:30 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Winnow wrote: It should be close with all the democrat voter scams going on!
And the republican sponsored "help you vote" drive that are shredding Dem registrations...

-=Lohrno

Looks like the scamming is paying off!!!

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 260 Bush 254

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 1, 2004, 6:51 pm

298 Kerry vs. 231 Bush now

I hate polls because they don't seem to mean shit, even according to the hoster of that site

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2004, 7:10 pm

Chidoro wrote:298 Kerry vs. 231 Bush now

I hate polls because they don't seem to mean shit, even according to the hoster of that site

The best predictor is the gambling line:

http://www.bodog.com/sports-betting/non ... events.jsp

it's actually closed to

+110 Kerry
-140 Bush

That's the closest it's been since I started watching it. (negative number is the favored for those that aren't familiar with betting lines. Bet 1.00 to win 1.10 if you want Kerry to win or bet 1.40 to win 1.00 for Bush.)

Bush is still favored by the gamblers but not by as much.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 1, 2004, 7:18 pm

crikeys

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2004, 7:22 pm

What I like most about the lead Bush has held in the gambling lines is that normally the lines have to be adjusted for popularity which would mean Bush would lose some bets if Kerry was more popular and the line would artificially move in Kerry's favor. That isn't happening...another thing I like is that unlike in Football when there can be upsets even if a team is popular, in the case of a presidential bet, you can be sure the people are also voting for the same person they're betting on which directly affects the outcome unlike in Football.

BTW, that line is moving like crazy. Since the first post it's now:

Kerry +105
Bush -135

To be fair, the smart money bets late which favors Kerry actually at this point if it keeps moving in his favor.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 1, 2004, 7:27 pm

Winnow wrote:
Chidoro wrote:298 Kerry vs. 231 Bush now

I hate polls because they don't seem to mean shit, even according to the hoster of that site
The best predictor is the gambling line:

http://www.bodog.com/sports-betting/non ... events.jsp

it's actually closed to

+110 Kerry
-140 Bush

That's the closest it's been since I started watching it. (negative number is the favored for those that aren't familiar with betting lines. Bet 1.00 to win 1.10 if you want Kerry to win or bet 1.40 to win 1.00 for Bush.)

Bush is still favored by the gamblers but not by as much.

i do think that the gambling line is a representation of what "the market" thinks will happen.

But it assumes a few things:

1. the betting population is representative of the population at large
2. the people betting are making uniformly informed opinions.

i would suggest taht both are hardly correct.

I think that many betters are making good decisions, but many people are simply voting for who they like.

I would also suggest that the gambler population is probably 60+% male, and i wouldn't be surprised if it was 75%+, and males skew slightly Republican.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2004, 7:30 pm

Voronwë wrote:
i do think that the gambling line is a representation of what "the market" thinks will happen.

But it assumes a few things:

1. the betting population is representative of the population at large
2. the people betting are making uniformly informed opinions.

i would suggest taht both are hardly correct.

I think that many betters are making good decisions, but many people are simply voting for who they like.

I would also suggest that the gambler population is probably 60+% male, and i wouldn't be surprised if it was 75%+, and males skew slightly Republican.

You've never been to a Vegas sportsbook! There are lots of african american gamblers! : )

Good points though.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » November 1, 2004, 10:56 pm

I have to go w/ Winnow here... the sportsbook reflects what people think will happen, and how certain they are, so while it drops a few variables it takes into account more than most polls. ie, as the amount you bet increases you're less likely to just bet on your candidate than on the opposition if you think they will win. Republican skew of males doesn't really mean much.

IIRC the sportsbook has historically been one of the most accurate predictors of elections.

Certainly worked well in the recent Australian elections.. all the polls were very close here, sports book said something like; incumbent -180, challenger +120.. ended up a large swing to the incumbent.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » November 1, 2004, 11:20 pm

Ouch! looks like President-elect Kerry is really kicking some ass, winnow, mid and brotha are going to have to get used to that one