A perspective you wouldn't of expected from Rush Limbaugh

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » August 17, 2004, 11:10 am

Doesnt rush just remind you of one of them gay guys that likes to lie in a tub while the other guys pee on him?

miir · Post by **miir** » August 17, 2004, 11:15 am

It is relevant that he cheated on his wife, and that he did so with a man, and that he then hooked up said man with an undeserved job. All three demonstrate a lack of integrity...

So you're saying homosexuals lack integrity?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 17, 2004, 11:29 am

Interesting, according to something i saw on CNN this morning, his approval rating is UP 2 points since this admission.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 17, 2004, 11:38 am

That is because he is the first honest politician to be found in the last half century.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 17, 2004, 12:07 pm

another interesting thing:

the "gay affair" guy is claiming that he was sexually harrassed and is actually heterosexual and never had sex with McGreevey.

As the world turns!

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » August 17, 2004, 12:11 pm

Lohrno wrote:He's probably closeted. But that's ok...lots of people even here are closeted, like [you].

-=Lohrno

WTF?

Post by **Sylvus** » August 17, 2004, 12:38 pm

Rekaar. wrote:It isn't relevant that he's a gay (former) governor. It is relevant that he cheated on his wife, and that he did so with a man, and that he then hooked up said man with an undeserved job. All three demonstrate a lack of integrity especially when taken together, and that is most certainly relevant to anyone in public office.

Believing that doesn't make me stupid, nor bigoted, nor racist, nor anything else you'd like to slur my way because my view differs from yours.

I disagree with your wording. Omit "gay" and "man" from those and that's what is important.

It isn't relevant that he's a gay (former) governor. It is relevant that he cheated on his wife, ~~and that he did so with a man~~, and that he then hooked up said ~~man~~ [person] with an undeserved job.

Listing "and that he did so with a man" as one of the three reasons that he lacks integrity does, in fact, make you look bigoted.

Is there something inherently more wrong with cheating on a spouse with a member of the same sex than a member of the opposite sex? What is it exactly that makes cheating on your spouse wrong? It was my opinion that it was the violation of the trust that was important and that the gender of who someone cheated with is pretty inconsequential, at least when viewed from an outside (of the marriage) perspective. (The gender of the cheatee may have more of an impact on the spouse due to hurting other feelings, but that is not relevant to the public) Granted, I think that none of that has anything to do with one's ability to be Governor and I don't think that he should step down for cheating on his spouse with anything.

The questionable behavior in this situation is giving the person with whom you are having an affair a high paying job that they are arguably unqualified for. That's not a good idea, particularly when the job is head of the state's Dept. of Homeland Security when that is such a high profile department right now.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 17, 2004, 1:04 pm

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Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 17, 2004, 1:26 pm

Kylere wrote: That my friends is a lack of integrity. If you are gay, thats cool, but don't play a game of being straight.

Negative. There is zero chance of launching a political career in New Jersey as an "outted" gay male. Just isn't going to happen.

Hell, it's not particularly easy regardless of the job but politics is a no-go.

As far as this goes, the more you knew him, the less of a surprise this was. Everyone was scratching their heads at his appointment to counter-terrorism. His first wife bolted to Canada or something after having his first child. His second wife was very involved with politics. I have a feeling this was a little more arranged than people seem to think. Something didn't jibe when he was my mayor or why he had two separate residences(one being across the street from where I lived currently, not terribly palatial).

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 17, 2004, 4:19 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:He made a commitment to his wife and created a family. All of them depended on him upholding the trust-bond of marriage.

He blew it.

I personally find that if he can't hold the trust of the most important contract in his life, how then can he hold the trust necessary to lead as governor?

At least it appears that he's taking responsiblity for his actions and is trying to fix the problem he created.

Kudos to him for that.

My dads on his 3rd marriage...does that make him any less of a man or any less qualified to uphold his job? which he has worked his ass off to build up for almost 40 years and is still doing a great job of handling it?

I hate this "drama" bullshit in the news, i really do. Noone gives a shit if a few poor black dudes get murdered in a gang fight, noone really gives a shit if the killer is guilty or innocent, or about there familys, fuck them.
But if two hot pregnant chicks get murdered, you get insane news coverage on there trials, and the whole fucking country has to have an opinion on weather there husbands are guilty or innocent without knowing the men.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 17, 2004, 4:56 pm

I was just speaking to a customer from NJ. He said he used to live in the town that Gayvenor was a Mayor in. According to him, his first wife left him because of him being gay. So he didn't just turn gay.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 17, 2004, 4:56 pm

Good honest people get divorced. I recognise that.

Granting that, it is a plus for a leader if they have worked hard to maintain their first marriage.

It effects my vote.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 17, 2004, 4:59 pm

Thank you, I am now dumber for reading this thread.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 17, 2004, 5:04 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I was just speaking to a customer from NJ. He said he used to live in the town that Gayvenor was a Mayor in.

And you wonder why people call you those names...

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 17, 2004, 5:04 pm

Sure it was a customer and not a man in a bar that told you that Midnyte?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 17, 2004, 5:10 pm

Hesten wrote:
And dont give me that "born gay" crap. Yes, some people are sure about their sexuality in a young age, but a lot of people dont find out before they reach middle age.

hesten most people know in middle school if they are gay or not and thats hardly middle age

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » August 17, 2004, 5:15 pm

Hesten wrote:Sure it was a customer and not a man in a bar that told you that Midnyte?

A man in a bar with assless chaps

Post by **Sylvus** » August 17, 2004, 5:19 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Gayvenor

lolz, ur midnyte_ragebigot

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 17, 2004, 5:29 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Gayvenor
lolz, ur midnyte_ragebigot

Ah, come on. I thought that was funny. Geez, you guys are hard to please.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 17, 2004, 6:33 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Gayvenor
lolz, ur midnyte_ragebigot
Ah, come on. I thought that was funny. Geez, you guys are hard to please.

You know what else would be funny?
Rounding up some fags and sand niggers and keel hauling them behind your pickup truck.

It saddens me that society lets people like you breed.
I feel truly sorry for your children.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 17, 2004, 6:38 pm

Lynks wrote:Because everyone knows that everyone in the world loves gay people and that everyone gay person should be out of the closet. You make it sound so easy Kyl.

Guess what Lynks, Gay people as a group would be a lot better off if it were not for attitudes like yours, gay people would be much happier if they all came out of the closet and none of them were pretending to be straight,

Any group that allows itself to be sidelined is wrong.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 17, 2004, 6:58 pm

miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Gayvenor
lolz, ur midnyte_ragebigot
Ah, come on. I thought that was funny. Geez, you guys are hard to please.
You know what else would be funny?
Rounding up some fags and sand niggers and keel hauling them behind your pickup truck.

It saddens me that society lets people like you breed.
I feel truly sorry for your children.

Yes, a light hearted joke is the same as killing people. UH-HUH!!! Fucking retard. It's a shame labelers like you are allowed to breed.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 17, 2004, 7:03 pm

You set yourself up to deserve every single "label" used for you.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 17, 2004, 7:10 pm

Kylere wrote: Any group that allows itself to be sidelined is wrong.

Well, that's all well and good if folks who are gay are never categorized like abnormalties. And regardless of what you think (and I don't think you feel that way), people automatically assume some type of unquantifiable sin solely for that admission.

And they're stupid, and supressed quite frankly. There's little that can steer folks under such inherent fears.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 17, 2004, 8:01 pm

Teh Gayvenor is kinda funny.

God forbid we poke fun at people

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 17, 2004, 8:28 pm

masteen wrote:Teh Gayvenor is kinda funny.

God forbid we poke fun at people

Thank you Mast. I was even thinking of when you say to say it with a Schwartzenegger accent.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 17, 2004, 8:44 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Kylere wrote: Any group that allows itself to be sidelined is wrong.
Well, that's all well and good if folks who are gay are never categorized like abnormalties. And regardless of what you think (and I don't think you feel that way), people automatically assume some type of unquantifiable sin solely for that admission.

And they're stupid, and supressed quite frankly. There's little that can steer folks under such inherent fears.

They will be oppressed until they refuse to accept it happening. Gay people are more harsh about other gay people than any other group.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 17, 2004, 9:20 pm

Kylere wrote:
Lynks wrote:Because everyone knows that everyone in the world loves gay people and that everyone gay person should be out of the closet. You make it sound so easy Kyl.
Guess what Lynks, Gay people as a group would be a lot better off if it were not for attitudes like yours, gay people would be much happier if they all came out of the closet and none of them were pretending to be straight,

Any group that allows itself to be sidelined is wrong.

What do you mean attitudes like mine? I was merely saying its hard to come out and not have people talk behind your back or worse. I don't know how they would be better off with me not saying that even though its true (I've been told).

Some people just can't handle it when someone starts to bash their character, or when people start calling their names. But I guess this comment and is putting them down for some odd reason you came up with.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » August 17, 2004, 9:23 pm

miir wrote:
It is relevant that he cheated on his wife, and that he did so with a man, and that he then hooked up said man with an undeserved job. All three demonstrate a lack of integrity...
So you're saying homosexuals lack integrity?

Maybe he's saying that engaging in homosexual relations while he was in a commited heterosexual relationship demonstrates a lack of integrity. ie, he knew he was gay but instead of ending his sham marriage he decided to go fuck around with other guys. Maybe his family knew the whole time, if that's the case I don't really care. If not, then it's pretty shady.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 17, 2004, 9:26 pm

So its wrong to cheat on your wife with another women, buts its far worse to cheat on your wife with a man. Is that what you are saying?

Saying that it was with another man doesn't mean its a lack of integrety. Cheating on your spousse is though, even though he already counted that in the list of things.

Edit:
Ill make this simple.
You are saying the following:
Cheating on wife = lack of integrey
Cheating on wife with a man = lack of integrety
Giving that person a job = lack of integrety

Number 1 and 2 are the same thing and shouldn't be counted twice because it makes no difference if its with a man or a woman.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 17, 2004, 9:33 pm

Lynks wrote:What do you mean attitudes like mine? I was merely saying its hard to come out and not have people talk behind your back or worse. I don't know how they would be better off with me not saying that even though its true (I've been told).

Some people just can't handle it when someone starts to bash their character, or when people start calling their names. But I guess this comment and is putting them down for some odd reason you came up with.

Nope, what I mean is that as long as you want to make excuses for people living double lives, it enables them to do so.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » August 17, 2004, 9:35 pm

I don't think the act itself is worse, but when you do that you're lying to your wife twice. 1 about sexual orientation, 2 cheating on her. I don't have anything against gay people, but I count it twice because it's two lies.

Just like Kylere said, double life. Not fair at all to do that to your family. I don't care if he stayed in the closet publicly so he could keep his job, but I think it is his familys business, and he should have told them so they could deal with it.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 17, 2004, 9:50 pm

What if the wife knew about it and it was more or less an arranged marriage? Pure speculation but seen stranger things happen.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » August 17, 2004, 10:06 pm

If he and his wife were maintaining a fake marriage so he could keep his job then I could understand why he would need to do that.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about him getting caught 'cheating' on her though, it would be a pretty messy situation.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 17, 2004, 10:09 pm

Kelshara wrote:What if the wife knew about it and it was more or less an arranged marriage? Pure speculation but seen stranger things happen.

Yep and that could be the case, of course he did not admit all this out of the kindness of his lying cheating heart, he did it because he was being sued by someone he sexually harassed.

Thus it leads me to believe he tells the truth about very little

Midnyte_Ragebringer · August 17, 2004, 10:18 pm

Lynks wrote:So its wrong to cheat on your wife with another women, buts its far worse to cheat on your wife with a man. Is that what you are saying?

Both are bad, but, yes, with a man makes it worse by 10000000000th degree.

In your little pretty world of flowers and loveliness a man plowing another man in the ass seems as normal as a child picking a flower in the fields. But, to many of us normal folk, who.....I know this pains you....don't hate nor fear gays.....think it's vile and abnormal. But, hey.......to each his own.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 17, 2004, 10:22 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:So its wrong to cheat on your wife with another women, buts its far worse to cheat on your wife with a man. Is that what you are saying?
Both are bad, but, yes, with a man makes it worse by 10000000000th degree.

In your little pretty world of flowers and loveliness a man plowing another man in the ass seems as normal as a child picking a flower in the fields. But, to many of us normal folk, who.....I know this pains you....don't hate nor fear gays.....think it's vile and abnormal. But, hey.......to each his own.

Godamn you just dont understand...your comment would be the exact same thing as saying

"i dont hate nor fear black people...but i think there skin color is atrocious and due to there unique cultural past they are inferior to us pure bread white folk"

Why the fuck does it bother you conservative assholes, i dont like gay sex at all, its not for me and i have no desire to see or think about it, but if someone else wants to do it then more power to them, i wont interfere or judge them. I dont see how the hell americans can watch baseball for more then 15 seconds and remain to be entertained, but i dont think there abnormal or have a birth defect for it

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » August 17, 2004, 10:49 pm

Bah you should be encouraging your friends to be gay.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » August 17, 2004, 10:54 pm

I don’t personally have anything against conservatives. What people do behind closed doors is none of my business. I just wish they wouldn’t flaunt it. Some of them start acting conservative in public, and that’s just not something the rest of us normal people have to see. How am I supposed to explain conservativism to my 3 year old son when he sees old white guys walking around in broad daylight and asks me "Daddy, why are those men so socially regressive and diplomatically incompotent?".

I still remember the day I had to explain investment bankers to my daughter. Neither of us have fully recovered. God help us if a republican decides to get really flaming, and starts driving down our neighborhood streets with his dial tuned to daytime talk radio and his comb-over flapping in the wind, as if it's totally normal to be that way.

Keep it in the bedroom, for crissake.

And I'm sick of being told I'm a conservaphobe. Just because I can tell when someone is doing something unnatural doesn't make me a bigot. More people voted democrat than republican in the last election, so that makes them unnatural. There's just no way to dispute that. If God intended for us to be conservatives, he would have made history move in the opposite direction. God created Adam and Eve, not Dick and Bush. And that's another thing... they can't have children, because they don't believe in guiltless sex, and we all know your boys can't swim when they're thinking "oohhh.. this is dirty.. i shouldn't be doing this.."

Fucking connies. Not that I hate them, or am prejudiced in any way against them, of course! They're just an affront to God.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » August 17, 2004, 10:57 pm

And don't get me STARTED on Liberals.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 17, 2004, 11:14 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:So its wrong to cheat on your wife with another women, buts its far worse to cheat on your wife with a man. Is that what you are saying?
Both are bad, but, yes, with a man makes it worse by 10000000000th degree.

In your little pretty world of flowers and loveliness a man plowing another man in the ass seems as normal as a child picking a flower in the fields. But, to many of us normal folk, who.....I know this pains you....don't hate nor fear gays.....think it's vile and abnormal. But, hey.......to each his own.

So because I don't think its "vile", that makes me not normal. Get a life you fucking bigot.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 17, 2004, 11:18 pm

I'm also going to sink low and say that Mid, I hope all your kids turn out to be gay and bring their partner over to fuck in your bed turning you ill and burning your matress.

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » August 17, 2004, 11:21 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I was just speaking to a customer from NJ. He said he used to live in the town that Gayvenor was a Mayor in. According to him, his first wife left him because of him being gay.

Yeah, and I had a customer tell me that he's been using Macintosh computers for over 30 years, so he obviously knew what he was doing better than I did.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · August 18, 2004, 12:20 am

Lynks wrote:I'm also going to sink low and say that Mid, I hope all your kids turn out to be gay and bring their partner over to fuck in your bed turning you ill and burning your matress.

I love it when you intolerant types hear somethign you don't like and then act out so childishly. hehe....pawns.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 18, 2004, 12:45 am

were all just chesspieces in midnyte's intellectual mind games

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 18, 2004, 12:54 am

Pawn to H8. Check mate bitch.

PS. A little tap-ass never hurt anyone.

Edit: BTW, if I`m a pawn...who the hell is controlling meÉ Or did you just say that to sound smart.

Wonko Wenusberg · Post by **Wonko Wenusberg** » August 18, 2004, 12:58 am

MON DIEU, DESCARTES!

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » August 18, 2004, 8:05 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I was just speaking to a customer from NJ. He said he used to live in the town that Gayvenor was a Mayor in. According to him, his first wife left him because of him being gay. So he didn't just turn gay.

oh so we just had to talk to someone in NJ to get the "real" scoop huh ?

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » August 18, 2004, 8:07 am

Drasta wrote:
Hesten wrote:
And dont give me that "born gay" crap. Yes, some people are sure about their sexuality in a young age, but a lot of people dont find out before they reach middle age.
hesten most people know in middle school if they are gay or not and thats hardly middle age

yah . at this day and age, go back to when this guy was a teenager and do some checkups on how open the discussion was about gay issues and beeing gay and how people viewed it back then.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 18, 2004, 11:11 am

Well, one thing I do have to say about gays:

Every year, we have a Gay Pride Parade. While there are a lot of good activities that go on during the ween (AIDS fundraisers and such), the parade itself is disgusting. They flaunt every negative stereotype you can imagine. It would be the same as black people having a parade celebrating fried chicken and watermelon.

So they do a lot to help the average Joe in Montana maintain his image of the immoral fornicating faggot. All the gays I know are professional people, and they fucking hate the parade.