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He was talking about the New Jersey governor who came out publically as gay.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html

It wasn't until later in the afternoon that I learned what we all know now, that he has come out, that he is a gay American. By the way, I want to announce my truth today, ladies and gentlemen, that is I am a football fan American. We're going to have these different kinds of Americans, I'm a football fan American, Jim McGreevey came out and says he's a gay American. And there are some today who are claiming that he's a hero, the media, particularly in the northeast. In fact, last night on WNBC Channel 4 in New York, some local politician said that he's the Jackie Robinson of gay politics, and there's another piece here in the LA Times -- not the LA Times, I forgot, so many things here, but referring to him as the Rosa Parks of gay politics. But when I saw what this was all about, I'll share something with you. A year ago, I would have been poking fun, I would have been laughing along with everybody else about this, about the personal aspects, the personal impact. I would have been in here and I would have been trying to come up with the funniest things I could have thought to get in on the obvious fun of this. But that would have been a year ago.

Today, I have a different perspective on McGreevey. And as I was telling Mr. Snerdley early this morning, when I saw what actually happened here and I saw without listening. I didn't hear it at first, but I watched some of the press conference and we've got audio sound bites from it with his wife standing next to him, and knowing he's got two little girls, one of them is one year old. The first emotion I felt was sympathy. I felt sorry for the guy. Because he's been living a lie.

He's not been who Jim McGreevey really is. He's been living two lives and he's been lying about both sides. Well, I don't know lying about both sides, but he's been lying to somebody about who he is, and it's stressful. It's probably oriented in trying to make as many people happy as he could. That was probably his objective, and instead of doing that, he was denying who he really is to a lot of people in his life, and to a lot of people who voted for him. And whatever political intrigue is involved here, the thing I know is that Jim McGreevey personally as a human being has a real tough road to hoe. I don't care how he comes across on television. I'm sure that last night was very liberating for him. I mean, this is his first step, if you will, to being who he is and being open and honest with himself about who he is. It's no accident, ladies and gentlemen, that he used the word "truth" in describing something, "My truth is I'm a gay American." He's been denying who he is his. Well, I don't know for how long, but for much of his life, and it's difficult, it is hard, it is debilitating, it's false, it's phony, and it's unhealthy.

Whoever you are, you have to be who you are. And a lot of people are not able to be who they really are because they're consumed with trying to make other people happy or trying to make other people avoid pain so they take all of that on themselves. McGreevey was no doubt doing this, and there was something that was a catalyst for this. Whether it was his own decision to do this or whether it was external forces, which I happen to think that gets into the political intrigue, the simple fact of the matter is that something happened here to force him to face his reality, and he's doing it. Last night, I know his wife was standing side by side and I know his ex-wife, both of his wives are as supportive as they can be, publicly, but regardless just as a human being and as a man, this is devastating for Jim McGreevey. He may think at the moment that his career has got salvageable aspects to it, and it may. I'm not saying it doesn't. It probably does. But at this moment I don't care what public face he's putting on, he's devastated right now, and I can't help but just feel empathy and actual sympathy for him for all of this because it's not an easy thing to do. It's not a easy way to have lived, and it's a blessing to him that this has happened. For himself personally, for his life, for his future, this is a blessing that this has happened. There are going to be a lot of people that are going to try to join him and use him for their own gain. There will be a lot of people that will go against him to try to use him for their own gain, but in the middle of all that is Jim McGreevey who's got to live his life and try to find some sort of happiness and contentment in it and it is not going to be easy no matter what public face he puts forward.

So I'm just honest with you here. This would not have been my take a year ago and I'm glad that it is my take today, especially when you look at his two little girls. I mean, you cannot help but feel sorry for them as well, or have feelings for them. The youngest one is one-year-old, and this is something that they're going to have to now deal with because of his actions, and don't think that's not weighing on him, either. You know, for all of the political ramifications, for all of his career, the personal life aspects of this cannot be easy, but he's, for whatever reason, is here taking the first step toward setting it all straight. And I want to be one to wish him well in his personal quest here to make this a positive and liberating an event as it can be. We'll take a quick break and come back and get into all the other political intrigue surrounding this right after this.

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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Excellent way to look at it. I agree.
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A year ago, I would have been poking fun, I would have been laughing along with everybody else about this, about the personal aspects, the personal impact. I would have been in here and I would have been trying to come up with the funniest things I could have thought to get in on the obvious fun of this
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He waffles! Stone him!
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FLIP FLOPPER!
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Voronwë wrote:FLIP FLOPPER!
this would be an excellent jab if Rush was running for political office.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Voronwë wrote:FLIP FLOPPER!
this would be an excellent jab if Rush was running for political office.
No, it's actually quite funny regardless.
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miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Voronwë wrote:FLIP FLOPPER!
this would be an excellent jab if Rush was running for political office.
No, it's actually quite funny regardless.
Oh indeed it is funny, no doubt. But, it's an apples to oranges comparison.
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Of course it is since he is on a certain side of the political discussion!
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Voronwë wrote:FLIP FLOPPER!
this would be an excellent jab if Rush was running for political office.
No, it's actually quite funny regardless.
Oh indeed it is funny, no doubt. But, it's an apples to oranges comparison.
More like Oranges to Clemetines.
Or maybe Peaches to Nectaries.
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Wonder when Bush will have this article read up to him, and try to alter the constitution to not allow a gay man to be married to a woman, or see his children :)
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You don't think there's anything wrong with what the guy did?
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Yeah cause you know it is okay for people to be gay, get married anyways, make kids with a woman they have no feelings towards.

He should not have held a press conference, he should have begged his wife to forgive him, then given her a divorce.
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Turns out there is some good juice coming out on this story. Apparently he gave his boyfriend a job he had no qualifications for giving him 100k+ salary, etc.

This is indeed a sorted tale.

Rek,

I think what he did was horribly wrong. He's a liar. But, I feel bad for his wife and kids for having to live with the shame of having a gay dad/husband and everyone knows about it. Pretty awful thing for them to have to bear.
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There is no shame in having a gay father. No shame at all. And has he said straight out he was gay before he got married? Maybe he turned bi? I haven't read the case in detail and frankly don't care to.

People should focus on the corruption issues of the case and not on the fact the the man is gay.
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He made a commitment to his wife and created a family. All of them depended on him upholding the trust-bond of marriage.

He blew it.

I personally find that if he can't hold the trust of the most important contract in his life, how then can he hold the trust necessary to lead as governor?

At least it appears that he's taking responsiblity for his actions and is trying to fix the problem he created.

Kudos to him for that.
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1) You don't know he was aware of his being a homosexual before he got married.
2) You don't know he had/has no feelings for his wife.

I'm more concerned about his appointing his underqualified lover to be in charge of homeland security in New Jersey than anything else. The rest is an everyday occurence and he shouldn't be under any greater scrutiny than anyone else who doesn't realize they're homosexual until after they've been married and had kids.

Cheating on his wife is a big deal, but it's not our business. It doesn't affect his ability to be governor. I realize you conservatives probably think it does, but that's because you think Bill Clinton getting a blowjob is a bigger deal than George W. Bush illegally holding prisoners of war and are too stupid to realize you vote for people involved in affairs every election.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Turns out there is some good juice coming out on this story. Apparently he gave his boyfriend a job he had no qualifications for giving him 100k+ salary, etc.
This sort of thing goes on everywhere reguardless of sexual orientations or party affiliations. Nepotism of any kind is wrong, but it happens and is almost impossible to stop within the government. It is a huge reason why GW got Texas and then the presidency after his father and why First Ladies have huge political influence. It is how Roger Clinton had a job for two decades. No argument that it is wrong, but its the governmental equivalent of a speeding ticket compared to other issues.

The rest of your post, I pretty much agree with 100%.

As for Rush, well, I guess we will see what his view on this thing is a year from now. It is interesting, given his prior comments on homosexual issues and feminism, that he would make such a seemingly frank comment. However, he does tend to play to the crowd and he has switched gears to pump his popularity in the past, so I will reserve any real judgement until some time has passed on this.
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Poor guy,
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Poor guy,
I think that was your best post ever :p
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what people do with their own personal lives is often completely different than they act professionally. for instance you may have a boss that is a complete dick in the office and can't be trusted, but if you are his buddy or his wife he is the best guy around.

regardless this guy should go, if for no other reason than he hooked his boyfriend up with that job.

the private sector doesn't give a shit what you do on your own time, as long as it isn't counterproductive to their bottom-line. political office is somewhat different because people do vote on image.

but hey Newt Gingrich sold "family values" to millions of dullards and he's mowed through 3 marriages i think. if i recall correctly one of the women he divorced was battling cancer at the time. He is of course an example of somebody who is a complete steaming pile of shit both personally and professionally.
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Karae wrote:1) You don't know he was aware of his being a homosexual before he got married.
Is it your contention that you can just turn gay? LOL
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Karae wrote:1) You don't know he was aware of his being a homosexual before he got married.
Is it your contention that you can just turn gay? LOL
You can become gay after living a straight life. Don't use the word turn please. It makes gay people sound like spoiled milk.

Anyway, yes I have two friends that loved being hetrosexual then went through some life changes and became homosexual. It does not change the person (Well, in one case the guy was cleanlier and better dressed than before) in any way that should matter to a decent human being.

Yes, people can become gay. Well, maybe not you Mid... ;)
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i think that is bullshit myself. i think those people always knew they were gay they just didnt want to face the facts, disappoint/alienate their family, or lose status with their friends.

thats just my armchair quarterback opinion though.

That and the reasonable interpretation from the very limited amount of data on the subject at this time is that homosexuality in men is the result of a difference in neuroarchitechture that arises in utero. This is either the result of your genetics or your genetic makeups response to the biochemical state of your mother's blood (cortisol levels in particular). Granted i think we are a long way from understanding the underpinnings at this point.
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god damn you people are fucking vultures
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Or maybe he didn't come "out" before he was married because of all the homophobic assholes in the world. It could of been the pressure to get married. No one knows except for him though.

And yes, people can become gay Midnyte.
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according to mid people can't be gay and should be gay fathers
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He made a commitment to his wife and created a family. All of them depended on him upholding the trust-bond of marriage
How is he any different then the many many straight politicians who have cheated on their spouses?
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simple .. he's gay!
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Drasta wrote:according to mid people can't be gay and should be gay fathers
I never said that. People, unfortunately, are born gay. Not until recently was being gay acceptable. So this shit will continue to happen for a while. Probably will happen forever since some people will continue to raise their children to think being gay is shameful, etc. It's a freakish thing, so to many folks it is shameful. It's just something gays will have to get used to. People born as albinos will never force others to think nothing is different and weird about them. Either will gays.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Rek,

I think what he did was horribly wrong. He's a liar. But, I feel bad for his wife and kids for having to live with the shame of having a gay dad/husband and everyone knows about it. Pretty awful thing for them to have to bear.

didn't say what?
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I turned gay yesterday guys, I'm living proof.
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Drasta wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Rek,

I think what he did was horribly wrong. He's a liar. But, I feel bad for his wife and kids for having to live with the shame of having a gay dad/husband and everyone knows about it. Pretty awful thing for them to have to bear.

didn't say what?
didn't say people can't be gay and should be gay fathers who hide in the closet. Get it?

I think it's great he came out. I just feel bad he did it after he had a family and kids who will suffer now because of it.
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Why unfortunately? You sound as if you think its a bad thing being gay.
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I'd rather have fucking Liberace as father over an intellectual trainwreck like yourself.
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It isn't relevant that he's a gay (former) governor. It is relevant that he cheated on his wife, and that he did so with a man, and that he then hooked up said man with an undeserved job. All three demonstrate a lack of integrity especially when taken together, and that is most certainly relevant to anyone in public office.

Believing that doesn't make me stupid, nor bigoted, nor racist, nor anything else you'd like to slur my way because my view differs from yours.
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Actually, 2 equal a lack of integrety. I wouldn't lump it with the fact that it was with another man.
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He's probably closeted. But that's ok...lots of people even here are closeted, like [you].

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i tell people if they ask me just not my family :D
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In this case, it is indeed all 3. Why? Because of the added ramifications for his children and wife. He shouldn't have held a press conference to announce the situation to the world either. He should've completed his term, given her an amicable divorce, and melted away.
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You guys crack me up. Keep covering up those anti-gay comments with words like "integrity" etc!
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Let's follow this train of logic:
he cheated on his wife, and that he did so with a man, and that he then hooked up said man with an undeserved job
A list of three things that McGreevey has done.
All three demonstrate a lack of integrity
Here you explicitly state that any one of the three things you have listed, taken individually, demonstrates a lack of integrity. You're saying that, even if we ignore all outside conditions, the fact that he engaged in a gay sex act says negative things about him as a person. Due to the fact that you felt the need to qualify the statement, I believe that you would not feel the same way about a heterosexual sex act.
Believing that doesn't make me stupid, nor bigoted, nor racist, nor anything else you'd like to slur my way because my view differs from yours.
If I read your statement correctly, I beg to differ.
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Kylere wrote:Yeah cause you know it is okay for people to be gay, get married anyways, make kids with a woman they have no feelings towards.
holy crapass .. you're stupid aren't you ?
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I think it's great he came out. I just feel bad he did it after he had a family and kids who will suffer now because of it.
holy crapass to boot, you're stupid as well huh ?

growing up learning from your parents that beeing gay is "wrong", unknowingly suppressing any and all feelings you have on the matter and just walk the straight line and fake it till you make it, get married, kids, always feeling as if something isn't right but can't put a finger on it, through some revelation or heck a session with a pshycologist or something you realize you are gay. take some time to get used to the idea and then try and break it to your family as easy as possible.

that sound like a plausible scenario ?

but i mean if you were gay, you'd know wouldn't you, damn straight !
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If you think going on TV to tell the country that you had a homosexual extramarital affair is 'break[ing] it to your family as easy as possible', then you and I can agree to disagree.

I feel sorry for his family too, it would be very embarrassing and it was extremely selfish for him to do this to them.
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True, its sad that the guy gave his lover a job, and totally unacceptable.

Cheating on his wife isnt exactly nice either, BUT were here talking about a man who most likely have been insecure about his sexuality, and needed to find out how his sexual orientation were.
As i see it, there are 3 ways to do that as a married man:
1. Ditch the wife and kids and experiment. BAD if you find out that youre heterosexual.
2. Do like this guy did, and try while hes married.
3. Suggest to the wife that you get a extra man to play with in bed, and find out as you play along. Cant technically be cheating if the wife is present.

Which of those 3 alternatives should he have taken? 1 is imo a BAD idea, 2 is doable, like he did, 3 can easily cause a wreched marriage anyway if the wive dont agree.

And dont give me that "born gay" crap. Yes, some people are sure about their sexuality in a young age, but a lot of people dont find out before they reach middle age.
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Post by Kylere »

LOL

Some of you kill me. We have huge threads where people insist you are born gay, not made that way, and now people are insisting that it can happen automagically over time.

Which is it?

Not to mention if he was unable to be attracted to women then he certainly knew he was not attracted to his wife, and he married a woman he had no feelings for and spawned to brats on her, now he blew his source of income to support the kids he has with the woman he does not love.

That my friends is a lack of integrity. If you are gay, thats cool, but don't play a game of being straight. As Dennis Miller said, there are no bisexuals, they are just greedy motherfuckers. The Former Governor is a greedy motherfuckers and all the liberal far lefty panty twisting is not going to change that,
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Lynks
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Post by Lynks »

Because everyone knows that everyone in the world loves gay people and that everyone gay person should be out of the closet. You make it sound so easy Kyl. :roll:
Voronwë
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Post by Voronwë »

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:I turned gay yesterday guys, I'm living proof.
we've all known you were a fag for years


just kidding man, had to be done :p
Lynks
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Post by Lynks »

Kylere wrote:LOL

Some of you kill me. We have huge threads where people insist you are born gay, not made that way, and now people are insisting that it can happen automagically over time.

Which is it?
Or is it possible the two sides debating then are still on the same side? But the only thread I remember is wher Mid says being gay was a birth defect.
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