Here we go again....

[Rekaar.]

In his defense, Karae was just quoting Miss Cleo's clairvoyant prediction for total KIA.

[Thess]

“We don’t do body counts”
General Tommy Franks, US Central Command

[Karae]

My KIA statement was entirely accurate as of the time I posted - as verified by Dregor's quote of CNN.

My casualty account wasn't entirely accurate, I misread the table. It's only 5394 U.S. military casualties - I added "allied forces" in with them. It doesn't change my underlying point, this war is a lot more difficult than Kylere's account of Gulf War I experience - already 8x as many have died.

Thanks for the figures Kilmoll, I was aware and looking at them at the time I wrote the post. If you could actually read, you'd see that I already listed all of them and more.

Given its scope and duration in comparison to the American Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the American Civil War, the Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam it's no wonder the casualty count is much lower than all of them.

In this war, non-combat fatalities have not been counted. As an example, if you count only non-combat deaths in the Civil War, there were only 184,594 deaths, a far cry shy of your figure of 600,000. There were 373,458 non-combat deaths in the Civil War, and they are counted in your Civil War death figure of 600,000. Non-combat fatalities are counted in all of the figures you quoted.

If you want a more accurate comparison, here's a table of combat casualties and deaths. It's the site I used in my original post to compare them with Iraq Body Count which is a comprehensive and unbiased list of casualties and fatalities. Here's a partial list of the sources they use to verify Department of Defense reports:

ABC - ABC News (USA)
AFP - Agence France-Presse
AP - Associated Press
AWST - Aviation Week and Space Technology
Al Jaz - Al Jazeera network
BBC - British Broadcasting Corporation
BG - Boston Globe
Balt. Sun - The Baltimore Sun
CT - Chicago Tribune
CO - Commondreams.org
CSM - Christian Science Monitor
DPA - Deutsche Presse-Agentur
FOX - Fox News
GUA - The Guardian (London)
HRW - Human Rights Watch
HT - Hindustan Times
ICRC - International Committ of the Red Cross
IND - The Independent (London)
IO - Intellnet.org
JT - Jordan Times
LAT - Los Angeles Times
MEN - Middle East Newsline
MEO - Middle East Online
MER - Middle East Report
MH - Miami Herald
NT - Nando Times
NYT - New York Times
Reuters - (includes Reuters Alertnet)
SABC - South African Broadcasting Corporation
SMH - Sydney Morning Herald
Sg.News - The Singapore News
Tel- The Telegraph (London)
Times - The Times (London)
TOI - Times of India
TS - Toronto Star
UPI - United Press International
WNN - World News Network
WP - Washington Post

In a comparison of your statistics, which include both non-combat and combat fatalities, against the statistics of of purely combat fatalities in the same war, it's a logical assumption that the body count would be at least twice as high for this war if non-combat fatalities were also counted. Unfortunately, we can't make anything more than an estimate.

Since you're an idiot, I doubt you'll click the link. You thought you had caught me on something, even though you hadn't, and started salivating. Once again, you'll disappear now that I've proved you wrong.

[Dregor Thule]

Now if you are struggling to understand what I have put forth here, it basically says Karae is full of shit.

I also am basically calling some of the casualty numbers from the U.S. full of shit as well....as even the minor injuries are counted as casualties. Kylere can either refute or back this up if he wishes as I have not witnessed any of their accounts firsthand in any conflict....and I am sure he has.

First, yes, the CNN quote clearly stated US troop deaths, and even seperated how many of the deaths were directly in combat. So if the guy tripped and died, then yes, he'd be in that number.

Second, OUCH!

[Kylere]

Umm just to clarify, casualty is everything from losing both your legs to tripping over your lawn chair in your tent while jerking off to Playboy.

Using "injured" numbers is inaccurate since the reporting definitions of what is a casualty changes, only KIA's are a truly accurate representation.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Dear Dumbass. I would like you to meet this quote for the second time. It lists the total deaths and combat deaths. If you still cannot find fault with your statements after this has been here for the third time, we can DNA test you to find out if you are related to Midnyte or Xzion.

The official killed in action count is currently 896 - however that doesn't include people who die in hospitals after being wounded only those who die "in action."

^------This was your opening statement.

Apparently you're both wrong, according to CNN.

The death brings the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war to 899, including 666 in combat.

^-----This was posted twice, yet you missed it. That would be 666 combat deaths. 233 non-combat deaths....which would include soldiers dying of injuries, disease, being murdered by your own troops, etc. If you need further clarification, Winnow can make you a pie graph with a Spongebob theme.

[Karae]

Dear Dumbass. I would like you to meet this quote for the second time. It lists the total deaths and combat deaths. If you still cannot find fault with your statements after this has been here for the third time, we can DNA test you to find out if you are related to Midnyte or Xzion.

The official killed in action count is currently 896 - however that doesn't include people who die in hospitals after being wounded only those who die "in action."

^------This was your opening statement.

Apparently you're both wrong, according to CNN.

The death brings the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war to 899, including 666 in combat.

^-----This was posted twice, yet you missed it. That would be 666 combat deaths. 233 non-combat deaths....which would include soldiers dying of injuries, disease, being murdered by your own troops, etc. If you need further clarification, Winnow can make you a pie graph with a Spongebob theme.

I didn't miss it, I just discount it. There is a mountain of evidence contradicting what CNN said. DoD themselves count it at 897 COMBAT deaths.

When it comes to unbiased, I'll take PBS over CNN - PBS ain't trying to make a buck.