Why are you Democrat/Republican?

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 6:17 pm

We like the cars, the cars that go boom.
With Tigre, and Bunnie and we like the boom.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 24, 2004, 6:22 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
You can't seriously be applauding the current governments policies on foreign affairs. Opinion on America in the world has to be at it's lowest since the days of the American revolution. Bush is reviled by a majority of the world for his conduct, and the conduct of his government. Yea, they'll all play nice, take the photo ops, shake the hands, because you guys are the most powerful nation in the world. It's dangerous not to lest you fall into the Axis of Evil. Hell, Bush even managed to piss off Canada, and we don't get mad at just about anyone.

I don't really care how the rest of the world views Bush or America. We don't need to impress anyone. I'm not really impressed with most of the countries that in turn aren't impressed with us. Recruiting is closed unless you're a cleric. Keep Canada out of this. It's too easy to start a US vs Canada thread : )

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 6:25 pm

The fact that you don't have the backbone to belong to a party speaks even more volumes about your lack of sack. Your views are so fucked that you can't label them. Clever.

Are you serious? Because my views are not adequately represented by two completely arbitrary political abstractions, I don't have any balls?

Is that honestly what you're saying?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2004, 6:25 pm

Not trying to start it in any way. But you did bring up foreign affairs. I'm just responding to it. If your view on a good foreign policy is 'fuck the rest of em, we don't want them' then ok, you win, Bush is doing a bang-up job.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 24, 2004, 6:27 pm

Not registering as one of the two parties means you don't get much say in the choices you're handed come November.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » February 24, 2004, 6:27 pm

Come now Dregor ...

Lalanae
Unofficial Canadian, Forbidden Lover of Pie, Jesus-Hatin' Sodomite, President of KFC (Kyoukan Fan Club), hawt, and perververted.
A pimp is a good thing to be.

Take pride in being different, but don't get defensive when its pointed out.

I enjoy having fun, especially on these boards and like to keep things light-hearted. Decided to put up a post on politics and see how quickly it would disintigrate into this and who would begin the spiral. Obviously this was a miscalculated mistake as 'hate' is coming from the 'love everyone' left folks.

I appreciate opposing views as much as anyone. I respect the fact some are trying hard to make a difference and some just accept things as they are.

Love tha twe can discuss this, disappointed that some cannot without being insulting.

Either way, this election will be fun to watch and I'll support whomever is elected, bacuse that person is my president.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 6:28 pm

well since the thread is titled
Democrat or Republican I guess that is why he is taking the stance of "you lack balls to side with a party".
i do not remember seeing OR INDEPENDANTS TOO!!!!
but that's just an observation, carry on with your mudslinging.
and I hate it that I agree with Winnow on the military.
Just feel so wrong, wrong like being caught wearing womens' clothing or tucking your wiener between your legs and singing Bette Mitdler songs while watching Oxygen on TV.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2004, 6:35 pm

I'm Republican because I believe in a stricter interpretation of the constitution, smaller federal government and having the states take responsibility for themselves and their people.

I don't like bureaucracy and I don't like the Democrat's ideal of a large, coddling, "we'll do it for you or make you do it" federal government.

I like national initiatives to raise the quality of education, standards of living and nationalized medical coverage, because that effects everyone in some way. I do not like large federal intervention in the state's ability to govern their people.

I believe that was the intention of the founding fathers, and to me, makes for a bottom-heavy government where the votes and voices of the people have a greater chance of being heard.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 24, 2004, 6:35 pm

Sylvos wrote:Just feel so wrong, wrong like being caught wearing womens' clothing or tucking your wiener between your legs and singing Bette Mitdler songs while watching Oxygen on TV.

An intimate look into Sylvos' formative years!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2004, 6:39 pm

Seebs wrote:I enjoy having fun, especially on these boards and like to keep things light-hearted. Decided to put up a post on politics and see how quickly it would disintigrate into this and who would begin the spiral. Obviously this was a miscalculated mistake as 'hate' is coming from the 'love everyone' left folks.

But you see, you began the spiral with the very first post. It was hardly a rational, considerate, non-confrontational post. You set the tone for the thread, so don't be surprised. Besides, this is VV! I'll throw in a welcome to VV as well.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2004, 6:40 pm

masteen wrote:
Sylvos wrote:Just feel so wrong, wrong like being caught wearing womens' clothing or tucking your wiener between your legs and singing Bette Mitdler songs while watching Oxygen on TV.
An intimate look into Sylvos' formative years!

If by formative years you mean last Friday night, then sure!

Ahh, just like old times!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 6:44 pm

MOTHERBITCH I KILL YOU

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 24, 2004, 6:44 pm

Sylvos wrote: Just feel so wrong, wrong like being caught wearing womens' clothing or tucking your wiener between your legs and singing Bette Mitdler songs while watching Oxygen on TV.

I've watched Xena on Oxygen with the pop up trivia bubbles and chat text on the bottom of the screen! It was a long long time ago during a time of weakness.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 6:48 pm

well since the thread is titled
Democrat or Republican I guess that is why he is taking the stance of "you lack balls to side with a party".
i do not remember seeing OR INDEPENDANTS TOO!!!!
but that's just an observation, carry on with your mudslinging.

Pray tell, what the fuck does the topicality of my posts have to do with some sort of causal relationship between party membership and ball size?

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2004, 6:50 pm

Because democrats are a bunch of homo-lovers and they want to know.

DUH!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 6:59 pm

"Are you serious? Because my views are not adequately represented by two completely arbitrary political abstractions, I don't have any balls?"

- Well the size of your balls is something that I would hope you would keep to yourself.
The comment he laid out of "The fact that you don't have the backbone to belong to a party speaks even more volumes about your lack of sack" - he posted a thread about 2 oppossing sides and as a result when others of a different path decided to post their views or attack his personal ones, I merely pointed out the fact that he asked what party do you belong to a or b. , c was never an option. While its not a strong arguement for the topicality of your posts nothing really is =)
Why it has any relevance to the size of your sack is beyond me and I'd prefer to keep any notion of your sack out of mind and definately out of sight.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 24, 2004, 7:02 pm

See what you all have done!!! Sylvos is so sexcited from all this talk of sack!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 7:03 pm

Masteen your obsesssion with my sexy self is scary.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2004, 7:03 pm

masteen wrote:See what you all have done!!! Sylvos is so sexcited from all this talk of sack!

He's definately a Democrat.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 7:07 pm

im gonna democrat your ass in a second son.
call me a democrat, wtf is wrong with you.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 7:11 pm

I wasn't the one who brought up the size of my sack, Seebs was. I have no particular desire to discuss it.

I think you claim that there is no link between the (lack of) topicality of my posts and the size of my sack.

Let me diagram the sequence of events for you.

1. Seeber claims that people who don't belong to a political party have no sack.
2. I question why political affiliation is relevant to sack size.
3. You claim that it is because the thread specifies "democrat or republican," excluding independents, thus making my posts off-topic.
4. I ask why the topicality of my posts has anything to do with the relationship between party affiliation and the size of my sack.
5. You claim that there is no relation.

Do you understand how you have contradicted yourself?

Just to be clear about where you claimed that there was a relationship between sack size and topicality of posts, I'll quote it:

well since the thread is titled
Democrat or Republican I guess that is why he is taking the stance of "you lack balls to side with a party".
i do not remember seeing OR INDEPENDANTS TOO!!!!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 24, 2004, 7:15 pm

Men with large balls and a prodigious wang need to be affiliated to a political party so they can have someone else tell them who to vote for. They don't have time for thinking when there's bitches to nail.

BTW, Seebs, I'm selling lion repellant. It must work too cause I've never been attacked by a lion!!

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2004, 7:23 pm

Sylvos wrote:im gonna democrat your ass in a second son.
call me a democrat, wtf is wrong with you.

Son? I'm no one's son thankyouverymuch.

Assumptions that you know everything about everyone - another sign of a democrat....

Damn liberals.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 24, 2004, 7:30 pm

i'd say it takes more balls to be an informed independent than an uninformed member of a very large and powerful group.

but god forbid reasoned thought enter this thread at this late juncture

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 24, 2004, 7:36 pm

I've heard many an "informed indepandant" say how they didn't vote because they were presented with two bad options.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 24, 2004, 7:37 pm

yeah i was just commenting on the silly assertion that unless you are affiliated with one of the major parties you somehow lack guts.

i'd say on average gutless individuals are more likely to seek the comfort of powerful, large groups. thats my psych 101 for the day.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 7:38 pm

I've also heard plenty of republicans and democrats say that they didn't vote for a wide variety of reasons.

Your point?

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » February 24, 2004, 7:41 pm

Vor,

The is a gigantic difference between Microsoft and the United States government. One is for profit and one is not. Their extra money can be invested and made use of through acquisitions and other valid business ventures. Surpluss in our govenment needs to be spent or returned to the people who made it in the first place.

Microsoft has an agenda as a company and has a responsibility to its stockholders, the United States government's responsibility lies to everyone who pays taxes and I do not think anyone would be happy if the US government decided it wanted to compete with Playstation all of a sudden.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 24, 2004, 7:42 pm

Some indys use their lack of involvement in the initial candidate selection as a cop-out for not voting. Saying that being indy = bigger balls is as false as claiming that blindly voting the party line either way = smart.

p.s. Avestan, WTF?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » February 24, 2004, 7:45 pm

My voice is deeper than James Earl Jones'

carry on

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2004, 7:46 pm

I second that WTF. WTF?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 7:53 pm

Masteen: I agree. However, hhe fact that I (or anyone, as far as I can see) never claimed that being independent = big balls makes me wonder why this is relevant.

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Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » February 24, 2004, 7:54 pm

Voronwë wrote:yeah i was just commenting on the silly assertion that unless you are affiliated with one of the major parties you somehow lack guts.

i'd say on average gutless individuals are more likely to seek the comfort of powerful, large groups. thats my psych 101 for the day.

This is basic, basic psych here. Tribalism gives a feeling of power to the powerless, a sense of community to those who crave acceptance, and a sense of righteousness to those who need to flaunt such.

That's just the way it is. Vor didn't make that up. Basic psych. Take it from me - as much as I regret having a psych degree and find it useless these days, some things *did* get pounded into my skull.

The real tragedy here is that we, as a nation, have allowed our political system to degenerate into a tribalist system. That was avoidable and unfortunate....and it was exactly what Jefferson and some of our other founding fathers warned about.

Lament the tribalism, recognize that just because you *do* belong to a party doesn't make you a tribalist lemming (i.e. in VV terms - just because you belong to a party doesn't mean you have or lack sack)....just don't deny that it exists, because that makes you a myopic fool who understands little to nothing about human nature, case closed.

Granted, there's tribalism in the indie circuit, too - but not nearly as much as in the overly dogmatic GOP...or the DNC for that matter.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 8:05 pm

Never forget the sack!

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » February 24, 2004, 8:06 pm

...and on a slightly different note, I have to say that I *really* find this insinuation that some people have made equating patriotism with unflagging military support to be fairly distasteful.

There are some very smart people on here (who I respect and like despite disagreeing with politically occasionally) who are tossing this around, and I'm sorely disappointed.

It is quite possible to be 100% patriotic, and be willing to give all personally for the country, family, and way of life that one holds dear, and yet still disagree with the decisions of the commander in chief.

I have an *extremely* military family, up until my generation, and I come from a very strong, close family unit. I have had very close family members survive Pearl Harbor, witness the detonation at Bikini Atoll, barely make it out of China as Mao's cultural revolution took power, suffer the effects of agent orange in Vietnam, be on the Air-Force intelligence team that worked with Oppenheimer on the building of Fat Man and Little Boy, and buried in Arlington National alongside presidents. I have family who served behind desks and family who were "in the shit." Some of my family were very pro-military and the military way of life. Some were not, but served and did their duty anyway.

Does the fact that some of these family members were against the invasion of Iraq make them less patriotic, since they were "anti-war"?

I take *extreme* umbrage at that insinuation.

There are more ways to love your country than just one.

edit> This is also why Bush's "with us, or against us" nationalist schtick is a steaming, festering crock of shit.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » February 24, 2004, 8:39 pm

Arundel Pajo wrote:
edit> This is also why Bush's "with us, or against us" nationalist schtick is a steaming, festering crock of shit.

I think you give it too much credit...

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 8:51 pm

so today i farted in my cubicle cause I thought i was alone
I wasn't.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2004, 8:54 pm

And we don't care.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 8:56 pm

Don't lie.
Denile aint just a river in Egypt.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » February 24, 2004, 8:58 pm

Sylvos wrote:Don't lie.
Denile aint just a river in Egypt.

Some puns only work in the spoken language...

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 24, 2004, 9:02 pm

so today i farted in my cubicle cause I thought i was alone
I wasn't.

I think that pretty much sums up your contributions to this thread.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 24, 2004, 9:02 pm

Voronwë wrote:yeah i was just commenting on the silly assertion that unless you are affiliated with one of the major parties you somehow lack guts.

i'd say on average gutless individuals are more likely to seek the comfort of powerful, large groups. thats my psych 101 for the day.

You've got to group at some point or you'll never make it to the next zone! A big mob will kill you. Ah yes....anything can be related to EQ or a bowl of jello.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 24, 2004, 10:03 pm

it works arb!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 24, 2004, 10:48 pm

Sylvos is Hillbilly-American.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 25, 2004, 1:46 am

A gay republican ranger, go figure.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » February 25, 2004, 7:25 am

I'm a military brat like Midnyte

So am I. My dad served 16 years and I was around for 9 of those. We lived on the tank bases in West Germany. Most of the rest of the time I was living in areas surrounded by multiple first-strike targets should a nuclear war break out. My grandfather took 2 bullets in Italy during WW2 then worked as a coal miner til he died. My great grandfather served in the Boer War as a young man then survived the trenches of WW1 on top of that. The collection of medals he earned is a family heirloom that I will treasure when my turn to look after them comes.

Yet I'm a liberal. And an atheist. I've taken drugs. A LOT of drugs. But don't any more. Though I love the booze and the devils music. I was brought up to think for myself and not automatically believe everything I read or heard. I believe in "Family Values" as common decency that all people should take for granted, not something that needs legislating. And I get on well with my family. Weird eh?

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » February 25, 2004, 11:30 am

Virginia's primary is an open one....so anyone got to vote for the candidates a couple weeks ago..democrat, republican, independant..etc.

So there is involvement in some states primaries for selecting a candidate. I did not go out and vote though, I was out of town

And I pay particular attention to candidates of the big parties, because I understand that in my lifetime, no other party will be represented in the white house besides democrats and republicans...so I usually try to find one of the two to vote for. I have just been disapointed election after election.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 25, 2004, 11:37 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Lack of sack for not pigeon-holing herself into a political stereotype? How does demonstrating enough free will to not follow like a lemming display a lack of guts?

I think from now on, I'm just going to quite you everytime Dregor, and say "Yeah!" and just save myself the typing.

Apollyon · Post by **Apollyon** » February 25, 2004, 12:29 pm

I'm a card-carryin Libertarian and lifetime member of the NRA

Yes that's right, I put my money where my mouth is, and pay lobbyists (NRA) who will support my beliefs, i.e. our Constitution and my freedom to protect it.

I think the spirit of the Constitution and Revolution that the colonies fought is best represented by this phrase from Thomas Jefferson "Government that governs least, governs best."