Dubya action figure

[Brittney]

You pissed off Brittney.

I'm impressed. Mangina trick you?

Naaaa, not pissed hehe, takes a whole lot more then just a couple of dumb posts and flames to piss me off. There be a grip of ignorant people in the world, they don’t piss me off. Just gotta try not to listen to em and tell em to stfu once in a while. It aint even so much his ideas that annoy me cus everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its just mostly his broad sweeping categorizations and holeyer then thou attitude. Saying a certain kind of people are more likely to be fucked up in the future because they weren’t brought up like you just don’t fly with me. It’s like sayin black people are more prone to violence cus they are born black or some dumb shit like that. It’s just a load of horse shit and like I said, I call em how I see em.

[Arborealus]

Hrmmm curiously lacking are numbers regarding households in which 2 same sex parents are present...then again patriot.net doesn't seem like a very biased source...

I think probably the significant contributing factor here is that no one is able to spend a reasonable amount of time with their children because of economic necessity...I see more and more people being asked to work more and more overtime and being "team players" so they fair better in "downsizing"...

The reality of the single parent household is that that single parent must work to support their children leaving no one at home to actually interact with those children...In two parent households there is a 100% more potetntial time for significant parental interaction...If you look at those studies they are are both pointing to low income as highly correlated to these problems why?...

I would lay odds inverse % parent time spent at home or in family activities correlates more strongly with behavior disorders than the fact that there is only one parent...So maybe its about the economy...I'm only looking at the summary statistics but that's one hell of an uncontrolled intervening variable imo...

I'd also like to see this research alongside two parent household in which the parents characterize the quality of their relationship with the spouse as poor or worse...

Edit: Funny that USA today (actually Ivanhoe Newswire) abstract of the Lancet Article seems to be reporting very little summary data at all regarding the freakin hypothesis of the statistics...And you know...statistics quoted without controlled variables also note the lack of a statement of significance level?...increased doesnt mean shit with out a probability statement...1 more = an increase but indicates nothing about degree of correlation...whats the sample size, standard deviation what was controlled for...In short the article says dick to anyone who understands correlative methods...

I really wish people who don't understand statistics would either A)educate themselves B) quit quoting them C) understand that even a perfect positiive correlation means not a damn thing independent of a method statement and a significance level...Ya know snowfall levels in alaska held a perfect positive with ice cream sales in the continental US for a year...p 1 at .005 significance...but I'm not going to buy ice cream stocks based on snowfall levels...What would you like me to prove I can show significant but meaningless correlations all day long...

Oh

Among the variables available in our study, lack of household resources plays a major part in increased risks.

so thats probably the highest loading variable in their manova (though thats specualtive based on very scarce info)...

which means...no one is home...hello... so what they are really saying is...children need caretakers...who da thunk it......So maybe we should look at polyamory!......or just make sure people earn enough and are secure enough in their jobs that one job families are viable?

the patriot.net study does actually show a correlation with socioeconomic status according to the "article" which contradicts the swedish results...so ya know pick the one that supports your hypothesis......

if i were to take these both as abstracts (which they aren't) to propose a hypothesis I'd say odds on inverse of % parent contact time correlates positively with increased risk factors generally....

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

Arnold for Prezident!

He will change the All-American diet McDonalds to healthy food!

More training for the youngsters in school as well!

Better yet...


DROLGIN FOR PREZIDENT!

[noel]

Actually Xzion, you worthless asspirate, I was more commenting on the fact that you'd never be interviewing for the same job as me because they'd never let a worthless fucking drug addict in the door to interview in the first place. The last 3 companies I've worked for have all asked for a 'voluntary' drug test prior to being hired, and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

Toodles, gimp.

[Arborealus]

Ooh nother hypothesis before I go to bed...

Dx of Mental Illness correlates highly with divorce rate...Dx of mental illness in parent correlates highly with Dx of mental illness in genetic offspring...

So maybe thats your actual causal factor?...

All the data we have seen supports that hypothesis too...

Great thing about statistics...they always leave room for more research!...

[Forthe]

Actually Xzion, you worthless asspirate, I was more commenting on the fact that you'd never be interviewing for the same job as me because they'd never let a worthless fucking drug addict in the door to interview in the first place. The last 3 companies I've worked for have all asked for a 'voluntary' drug test prior to being hired, and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

Toodles, gimp.

Unfortunately life isn't fair. From what I know of Xzion, and as amazing as it seems from reading his many retarded posts, you are right he wouldn't be interviewing for the same job as you. He doesn't have to.

[Xyun]

Most of all, he appears to be a passionate, patriotic leader who is in stark contrast to our last president.

he is also a bumbling fucking retard in contrast to our last president.

Yeah, NAFTA has done wonders for the economy...

Do you know the meaning of "bumbling"? I was referring to the way Bush carries himself in public and articulates his speeches compared to Clinton. I did not mention anything about their policies. Sadly, I have to fucking explain this shit to you because either somebody somewhere failed to do their job as a teacher or you never had the capacity to understand in the first place.

Secondly, I think there is enough evidence already that shows that single parent kids "can" get into more trouble, have more behaviorial problems, etc.

This may be true, and I'm sure that someone like you would look at someone like me as evidence for the truth of this statement. But then I take a look at you, at how your parents actually impeded your learning curve by instilling such moronic archaic and dogmatic ideals that even to this day (and as a parent) you are still confused about morality and reality, as is evident by your broad sweeping generalizations in this and other threads. The fact is any two morons can fuck and pop out a kid and love him/her with all their soul as your parents did, but their proficiency at parenting can only be assessed by objectively viewing the end result, and in your case I must say they did a horrible fucking job. Maybe the same could be said of my mother (single parent), but at least she didn't turn me into an intolerant bigot like your parents did to you.

I was more commenting on the fact that you'd never be interviewing for the same job as me because they'd never let a worthless fucking drug addict in the door to interview in the first place. The last 3 companies I've worked for have all asked for a 'voluntary' drug test prior to being hired, and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

please understand this: there are people out there who are much smarter than you, much healthier than you, and more successful than you who do drugs recreationally on a regular basis. I guaranfuckingtee you that this is the case with some of your own superiors. Taking drugs recreationally (I know I have to keep repeating that word because you can't fucking understand the difference between addiction and recreation) has little to no bearing on intelligence, happiness, or success. And while drugs have hindered and ruined some people, they have strengthened and invigorated others. So take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass you ignorant bitch.

[Chidoro]

He gave me a tax cut last few years. I get more money back in my refund each year.

How can you say that then say this in the same breath

It's funny to you now because you obviously don't live your life for your children. Grow up or even at least try to think like one for a second.

Seriously. So you can buy a few more groceries, your children will be footing a nightmarish deficit.

He gave seniors their prescription drug benefits.(It's a start)

Actually, it's a step back, a big one.

He is helping our school systems with the no child left behind bill.(Also just a start, more needs to be done)

Just because the title of a bill is catchy, doesn't mean it actually works

Most of all, he appears to be a passionate, patriotic leader who is in stark contrast to our last president.

People seemed to be doing a-ok during his eight years, unlike the shittank that occured during these past four and possibly the next four

But, beyond that...nothing I guess.

Thank God. The more he does, the more fucked up this country becomes.

Maybe someday our world will degrade enough to the point we can have a leader who suits your desires. Maybe a pot smoking, MTV Cribs watching, anti-military, anti-space exploration, anti-family values, etc will ascend to our countries highest office. Gosh wouldn't that be swell? Then we could go back to worrying about being taken over and have enemies on our soil. WOOOT

Oh christ, you can't possibly be serious

[Siji]

SKipped the Kyoto environmental agreement that 108 countries, INCLUDING USA had signet at first, that way making sure US factories can pollute as much as they want (can you say lobbysts anyone).

If I weren't so lazy, I'd point out the massive other things he's done, and is trying to do, that are simply killing the planet at a much faster rate than ever before. But I'm lazy so I'll simply say you're right on target there.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Maybe someday our world will degrade enough to the point we can have a leader who suits your desires. Maybe a pot smoking, MTV Cribs watching, anti-military, anti-space exploration, anti-family values, etc will ascend to our countries highest office. Gosh wouldn't that be swell? Then we could go back to worrying about being taken over and have enemies on our soil. WOOOT

Oh christ, you can't possibly be serious

Aye very much so. To me this is where we are headed if some of you people keep looking at today and yourselves, instead of, tomorrow and others.

[Chidoro]

You do realize that there are people with my ideologies that are a lot brighter and a lot more successful than you, don't you? I mean, if I really felt like wasting my time pointing out how moronic you sound that someone who tends to be liberal smokes pot, watches cribs, blah blah blah. You really need to step outside of your little world because your level of ignorance is deafening

You sound like a frightened individual because you are unable to separate the bullshit from the reality.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You do realize that there are people with my ideologies that are a lot brighter and a lot more successful than you, don't you? I mean, if I really felt like wasting my time pointing out how moronic you sound that someone who tends to be liberal smokes pot, watches cribs, blah blah blah. You really need to step outside of your little world because your level of ignorance is deafening

You sound like a frightened individual because you are unable to separate the bullshit from the reality.

The wise man, knows how little he truly knows.

I have never professed being superior being. Just expressing my views. If I agree with the immature flaming fucktards its fine, but dare to profess a passionate alternative to theirs are you are a racist, ignorant, blah blah blah.

It's your ignorance that's deafening my friend.

[vn_Tanc]

I have never professed being superior being. Just expressing my views

That's fine. The problem is that your views are those of an idiot so you have to expect to take some flak.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I have never professed being superior being. Just expressing my views

That's fine. The problem is that your views are those of an idiot so you have to expect to take some flak.

Very profound.

[noel]

please understand this: there are people out there who are much smarter than you, much healthier than you, and more successful than you who do drugs recreationally on a regular basis. I guaranfuckingtee you that this is the case with some of your own superiors. Taking drugs recreationally (I know I have to keep repeating that word because you can't fucking understand the difference between addiction and recreation) has little to no bearing on intelligence, happiness, or success. And while drugs have hindered and ruined some people, they have strengthened and invigorated others. So take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass you ignorant bitch.

Keep saying whatever makes you feel better about the fact that you have to take drugs to enjoy your life.

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

[Aslanna]

Quote:
He is helping our school systems with the no child left behind bill.(Also just a start, more needs to be done)

Just because the title of a bill is catchy, doesn't mean it actually works

It's funny you menton that. The actual 'No Child Left Behind' initiative is pretty pissed off that the Bush organization stole that "slogan" from them.

Can't find articles on that at the moment. But I remember the interview on NPR about 6 months ago.

http://nochildleft.com/2003/jan03.html

No sense debating it back and forth. The simple truth is Bush sucks. And to say if you don't like it, vote is a laugh as well. He'll just have the courts appoint him as dictator again.

[Sylvus]

please understand this: there are people out there who are much smarter than you, much healthier than you, and more successful than you who do drugs recreationally on a regular basis. I guaranfuckingtee you that this is the case with some of your own superiors. Taking drugs recreationally (I know I have to keep repeating that word because you can't fucking understand the difference between addiction and recreation) has little to no bearing on intelligence, happiness, or success. And while drugs have hindered and ruined some people, they have strengthened and invigorated others. So take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass you ignorant bitch.

Keep saying whatever makes you feel better about the fact that you have to take drugs to enjoy your life.

I'd just like to add that taking drugs responsibly doesn't make you a bad person. I'm a connoisseur of enjoying life, a hedonist if you will, and I have to say I've had a lot of fun both with and without drugs. As with anything, it is the person and how they use something that determines whether it is bad or good. Drugs aren't bad, guns aren't bad, no inanimate thing is inherently bad.

[noel]

Believe it or not, I totally agree with what you're saying, Sylvus.

[Laliana]

Believe it or not, I totally agree with what you're saying, Sylvus.

You really are a sad man.

[noel]

Opinions vary. I'm quite comfortable with myself.

I didn't really feel like going into it, but since as usual you're being a judgemental bitch...

There's a pretty significant difference between recreational use of pot, or ecstasy and that of heroin, PCP, etc. I'm not going to waste my time searching for one of the many posts where Xyun brags about the frequency of his addiction, but they're out there if you're bored and want to look for them. There's also a difference between someone who uses pot recreationally, and someone like Xzion who lives for it.

I get my highs differently than they do. Typically descending a 3-4000 foot mountain at 60 miles an hour does it for me.

[Psyloche]

I get my highs differently than they do. Typically descending a 3-4000 foot mountain at 60 miles an hour does it for me.

So if you were on one of those Concordes and you were jerkin it in the bathroom, would you be beating off faster than speed of sound? That'd be an interesting way to get a high.

[kyoukan]

what you guys don't seem to understand is that to people like midnyte, "family values" is just another way of saying "hates fags"

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

what you guys don't seem to understand is that to people like midnyte, "family values" is just another way of saying "hates fags"

Uh huh.

People who read the Gay Marriages thread know differently.

[Sueven]

Aranuil: I'm actually shocked by your comments on this thread. While I sometimes disagree with you on specific issues, I've always thought that you were a relatively intelligent, reasonable person. The posts you've made on this thread about drug use display true ignorance, and I'm amazed that you would make them.

I don't mean any offense to Xzion, but it's not like he's a hard target. There's plenty of reasonable ways to attack him. The fact that you chose to blindly attack drug use-- and failed to distinguish between degrees of responsibility until someone you respect more, Sylvus, became involved-- is disappointing to me.

Midnyte: Let's say our president was a single father. How would that specific fact negatively impact our country? This is an honest question, I want to hear your rationale.

[Lalanae]

I think Aranuil has the position on drug use as I do. Do what you want, but accept responsibility for it. In other words, don't glorify drug use as a means to avoid the fact that you are dependent. I drink coffee, but I'll be the first to tell you it is bad for you and it is addictive. People like Xzion have bragged about their drug use as if it makes them a better person or something. That's pretty delusional if you ask me. Not being dependent on a substance to have a good time is more admirable. People who get defensive over their drug use need to look at why they are so defensive, Just fucking own up to the fact that drugs are bad for you physically and mentally. Keep doing them if you want, just don't LIE to yourself.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Midnyte: Let's say our president was a single father. How would that specific fact negatively impact our country? This is an honest question, I want to hear your rationale.

I have no clue. I never said that the president had to be perfect. Just believe in the importance of "family values". Not every child can have both parents, expecially since they say 50% of all marriages in the US end up in divorce. I do think if people were a little more careful with their sex(I'm guilty of this, I had a child out of wedlock) and little less eager to get married, maybe kids would have the opportunity to grow up in a two parent household.

Raising kids is tough with both parents. If a man was able to sucessfully raise a respectful child on his own and work his way up the political ladder to president, more power to him. I would admire that he was able to do so under such adverse conditions.

[Sueven]

I agree with you Lala, and yes, it seems that Aranuil has a relatively similar position. I'm just amazed that he would be willing to throw around statements like

worthless fucking drug addict

As far as I am concerned, that sentences implies worthlessness on the part of all drug addicts. If the "drug addict" part of the phrase was not meant as an insult, then it is completely irrelevant and should not have been used. If I called a gay man a "worthless fucking faggot," that would be rightly interpreted as an attack on gay men. Further:

and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

In this statement, Aranuil claims that drug users are unable to do his job.

Personally, I believe that Aranuil was not accurately portraying his opinions on drug use in this post, but rather employing a clever spin in order to attack Xzion. Later, when Sylvus brought it up, Aranuil backed off his previous statements. This is where my specific problem lies.

When I said that his posts "display true ignorance," I was referring to actual factual misstatements, not his opinions.

[Sueven]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

[Siji]

The simple truth is Bush sucks. And to say if you don't like it, vote is a laugh as well. He'll just have the courts appoint him as dictator again.

/warm fuzzy hugs!

[masteen]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

[noel]

Lala pretty much covered my feelings on the topic.

How could 'drug addict' be anything other than an insult? If someone implied that I lacked the control to not do something, I'd take that as an insult. I can't think of too many things you can be addicted to that aren't bad for you. I'm talking about true addiction, as in the ability not to say no to something.

There's a huge difference between someone who occasionally does something for pleasure and someone who does it constantly, and brags about it as if it makes them a more enlightened human being, and they should be put up on some sort of pedestal. Xyun and Xzion have a long history of bragging about their drug use as though they deserve some type of medal for it. At least Xyun comes off as a pretty intelligent guy when he's not flaming people, Xzion on the other hand is easily one of the most poorly self-represented individuals on this forum. This has been remarked upon many times by people other than myself, and I seriously doubt this will change any time soon, because I believe he lacks the mental capacity to perceive the impression he's making upon others.

Edit: To add: I have zero problems with recreational drug use, provided it's done in a safe environment where an individual isn't in a position to hurt themselves or anyone else. Furthermore, I think that should be legal.

Certain individuals on this board that have bragged ad nauseum about the frequency of their drug use may have done so to sound cool, or something. I really don't know. The impression they've left me with is that they are in fact addicts; not that they're doing it just for enjoyment.

I absolutely view addiction as a negative, and I do look down upon individuals that lack the self-control/awareness to combat such an addiction. I do this because I'm a judgemental asshole, and I fear that will only get worse as time goes on.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Believing in the importance of having a mom and dad in the house. A solid family structure. Yes, I realize the impossibility of everyone having both parents at home, but with a little moral suggestion maybe, possibily it will help? I firmly believe morals extend beyond the grasp of the religious minded.

I'm not religious in any way but I have and believe in morals.

[Pahreyia]

I'd just like to say... I don't like Bush, but I hate Kerry more.

That's all for now. Bad day at work and I'm not comprehending much yet.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

And all of that. Thank you Masteen.

[Xzion]

Actually Xzion, you worthless asspirate, I was more commenting on the fact that you'd never be interviewing for the same job as me because they'd never let a worthless fucking drug addict in the door to interview in the first place. The last 3 companies I've worked for have all asked for a 'voluntary' drug test prior to being hired, and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

Toodles, gimp.

Yes Aranuil, it is convenient to change the subject after you realize you made a few hypocritical statements. Of course you come back with the original “Xzion is a drug abuser” attack. I smoke pot maybe two times a week and have gone several months at a time without smoking, an occasional smoke is something I enjoy. If necessary i can clean out my system and pass any drug test within 2 days max. i dont do any other "drugs" and never have, so go fuck yourself and all go back to my Asspiratehood.

[Dregor Thule]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

Don't know where you pulled they gay man from, but as for the single mother, it would be harder for her. She will have to be working to support her family therefore limiting her time with her children. It's not impossible man, just harder. Many great people have come from single parent households.

[Sueven]

Edit: The first part of my post was unnecessary.

Midnyte: I'm sorry to keep asking questions and not provide any input of my own, but i'm almost done. Two more:

Do you think that the government has the right to legislate family values, and in what way can it effectively do so?

Why would you support George W Bush, who has (most likely) abused cocaine (which I assume you view as a negative), ignored the value of hard work as demonstrated by his grades at Yale, ignored common sense and ethical behavior by driving drunk, and pervasively lied to the country about topics ranging from the environment to the military over a man like John Kerry who earned a number of medals for bravery displayed in Vietnam?

How does W better represent or support "family values" than John Kerry?

[noel]

Aranuil: While I disagree that calling someone an addict is an insult (my mom drinks coffee every morning, but i think she's still a pretty awesome lady), the hatchet is buried on my side, at least.

My fault, I was very unclear, for reasons I covered in the PM I sent you.

[Dregor Thule]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

Don't know where you pulled they gay man from, but as for the single mother, it would be harder for her. She will have to be working to support her family therefore limiting her time with her children. It's not impossible man, just harder. Many great people have come from single parent households.

I pulled it from the root of the whole debacle going on in your country. The "sanctity" of marriage, the need for strong "family values".

[Pahreyia]

Dregor, the root of that issue isn't in imposing "family values," whatever those are, on people, it's the biblical opposition to same sex partnerships.

"Family Values" is just the politically correct sugar coated name for their crusade.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Mid: Can you define family values a little more specifically? What particular characteristics would define a family as having appropriate "family values?"

Little things like respect for themselves and others. Knowing that stealing is wrong, and not just because the police will come take you away if you get caught. Knowing that actions have consequences, and accepting responsibility for those consequences.

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

Don't know where you pulled they gay man from, but as for the single mother, it would be harder for her. She will have to be working to support her family therefore limiting her time with her children. It's not impossible man, just harder. Many great people have come from single parent households.

I pulled it from the root of the whole debacle going on in your country. The "sanctity" of marriage, the need for strong "family values".

Ahh okay. Well fuck the radical christian right. They don't count man.

[masteen]

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

Then common decency is going the way of the dodo. Fewer and fewer kids today have any grasp of those tenents.

100% of the worst kids in our school system down here come from broken homes. I'm not saying that single moms CAN'T teach those things. I'm only commenting on observed results.

[Gnomies]

I like bushes quote "I believe that people that commit crimes, shouldn't have guns."

hehe

[Chidoro]

100% of the worst kids in our school system down here come from broken homes. I'm not saying that single moms CAN'T teach those things. I'm only commenting on observed results.

What I've observed is that most of the children who cause difficulties come from difficult homes. Sometimes that's a single mother, sometimes it's a single father, sometimes it's a mother and father who do nothing but fight all of the time, sometimes it's a mother and father that don't pay enough attention to their child's dealings, and sometimes the kid is just a demon spawn. And since we're packed in like sardines in my area, my sample size and diversity is probably a lot larger.

[Lynks]

Actually Xzion, you worthless asspirate, I was more commenting on the fact that you'd never be interviewing for the same job as me because they'd never let a worthless fucking drug addict in the door to interview in the first place. The last 3 companies I've worked for have all asked for a 'voluntary' drug test prior to being hired, and the people like you who were smart enough to ease off the 1-2 weeks before the interview didn't last long anyway.

Toodles, gimp.

Yes Aranuil, it is convenient to change the subject after you realize you made a few hypocritical statements. Of course you come back with the original “Xzion is a drug abuser” attack. I smoke pot maybe two times a week and have gone several months at a time without smoking, an occasional smoke is something I enjoy. If necessary i can clean out my system and pass any drug test within 2 days max. i dont do any other "drugs" and never have, so go fuck yourself and all go back to my Asspiratehood.

Actually, pot stays in your system for 6 months. You can tell by doing tests on your hair follicles, so unless you shave yourself from head to toe, I don't see that happening.

[Taly]

GO BUSH!

[Arundel Pajo]

100% of the worst kids in our school system down here come from broken homes. I'm not saying that single moms CAN'T teach those things. I'm only commenting on observed results.

Then, no offence meant Masteen, but you've never worked with a child from an abusive, yet "intact" home. There are as many causes for children to fail as there are bad parents out there, and there are *many* more reasons for bad parenting than just divorce.

[Forthe]

Those aren't family values, those are common decency. Can a gay man not teach a kid that stealing is wrong? Can a single mother not teach her daughter to respect herself? Those things you mention aren't something dictated by family, they're social truths. In our society at least.

Then common decency is going the way of the dodo. Fewer and fewer kids today have any grasp of those tenents.

100% of the worst kids in our school system down here come from broken homes. I'm not saying that single moms CAN'T teach those things. I'm only commenting on observed results.

Yes common decency is going the way of the dodo, although I think it has more to do with our present day society than anything else. "It is just business" has allowed totally reprehensible behaviour. We promote and reward those that cheat, lie, steal and exploit. Anything to get ahead. This is the world children are growing up in today.

Gone are the days when a man's honour and integrity meant something and I think many of us miss it. How many of us look back foundly to our grandparents generation when people (i believe many more at least) had principles. Republicans like to harp on about family values but the bottom line is when it comes to $$$ republicans have no values.