Gamespot's top ten RTS of all time:

noel · Post by **noel** » February 6, 2004, 4:31 pm

Linkage is here.

1. Total Annihilation - Cavedog Entertainment, 1997
2. StarCraft (with the Brood War Expansion) - Blizzard Entertainment, 1998
3. Command & Conquer: Red Alert - Westwood Studios, 1997
4. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - Blizzard Entertainment, 2002
5. Age of Empires - Ensemble Studios, 1997
6. Homeworld - Relic, 1999
7. Close Combat II: A Bridge Too Far - Atomic Games, 1997
8. Rise of Nations - Big Huge Games, 2003
9. Medieval: Total War - Creative Assembly, 2002
10. Empire Earth - Stainless Steel Studios, 2001

Honorable Mention: Dune 2

My personal top 5:
1. Warcraft II
2. Starcraft
3. Age of Empires 1
4. Total Annihilation
5. Dune 2

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » February 6, 2004, 4:42 pm

WarCraft 2
Age of Empires 1
Rise of Nations
WarCraft 3

I hated Starcraft.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 6, 2004, 5:53 pm

Hmm I want to play Dune 2. Never played a good game based on Dune.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » February 6, 2004, 5:59 pm

1. Starcraft
2. Age of Kings

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 6, 2004, 8:23 pm

Dune 2 was one of the original RTS's as we know them today. Was so badass. I wouldn't want to try and play it now tho, better to leave the good memories as they are

I haven't played half the games on that list, but Rise of Nations was boring as sin.

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » February 6, 2004, 9:30 pm

Starcraft should be number 1. Even if you didn't like the game, it was a piece of art. It had everything that makes a great game.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » February 6, 2004, 10:09 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:Hmm I want to play Dune 2. Never played a good game based on Dune.

Find Dune and Dune two here!

Edit: Why did Moonwynd say I'm a quasi whore?

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » February 7, 2004, 1:00 am

I'm glad to see Total Annihilation ranked as #1. That game was simply amazing. So much versatlity. I've still yet to see an RTS come close to what the involvement that game could turn in to.

Also nice to see one of the close combat series make it in, I always loved playing the germans in CC3 because hearing them screaming in german always made me feel so eeeeeeeeeevil.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » February 17, 2004, 7:59 pm

Total Annihilation kicked ass... heh, just realized I still have it in my CD case, might load it and the expansion back up and start playing again

Dups. · Post by **Dups.** » February 17, 2004, 9:22 pm

My old boss used to play Total Annihalation non stop. He gave me a CD with the game on it along with tons of addons.

He would rant and rave on how good it was. I should give it a try sometime.

Falino · Post by **Falino** » February 17, 2004, 11:39 pm

I could make a case for any of the following being the best of all time:

Total Annihilation
Starcraft
Warcraft III
Age of Empires II

All 4 of them were extremely innovative and are way above all others IMO.

Salis · Post by **Salis** » February 18, 2004, 10:53 pm

Anything Total War, Shogun was awesome, probably rate it higher than Medieval. Anything by Paradox (Europa Universalis I/II, Hearts of Iron, look up the 4 player online national drinks contest on those boards sometime ^-^)

Truant · Post by **Truant** » February 19, 2004, 7:30 am

Agree with you sir Salis about the Total War games...I'm still playing Shogun over and over.

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 19, 2004, 4:14 pm

Dune 2 and Brood War! Revolutionary!

Asheran Mojomaster · February 20, 2004, 11:26 pm

IMO, AoMythology is better than AoEmpires 2 (before the expansion that is, the expansion made it kinda noobish, titans are gay).

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 21, 2004, 2:02 am

AoM : Titans made AoM a much better game!

Thx Repeat Build Units!

Asheran Mojomaster · February 22, 2004, 8:57 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:AoM : Titans made AoM a much better game!

Thx Repeat Build Units!

Haha, yes I LOVE that, but I hate the actual titans. If you can get a titan fast it really doesnt matter how good you are, you can almost always win, except against someone who is really good norse or egyptian (hersirs and priests). Even atlanteans cant really kill a titan and fight other stuff off at same time, even though they can turn all their units into heros pretty much.

Btw, you still play Kwon? If so, whisper me sometime and we will play a game. I play as I_Liek_This_One or NS_Lieks_You.

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 22, 2004, 10:46 pm

Yes i still play! But Beware! I'm a Kronos Rusher!

The Rush begins at 3:30!

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 22, 2004, 10:48 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Even atlanteans cant really kill a titan and fight other stuff off at same time, even though they can turn all their units into heros pretty much.

Btw, you still play Kwon? If so, whisper me sometime and we will play a game. I play as I_Liek_This_One or NS_Lieks_You.

Bullshido!

If you let your opponent reach titan age you suck!

Mostly you want to finish your enemy in Era 2 or Era 3! Not often you let it go to Mythic even!

IF as an Atlantean you should let the enemy summon a Titan, np, send in tanks and turn your Archers into Heroes. Np See ya Titan!

Asheran Mojomaster · February 23, 2004, 12:25 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:
Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Even atlanteans cant really kill a titan and fight other stuff off at same time, even though they can turn all their units into heros pretty much.

Btw, you still play Kwon? If so, whisper me sometime and we will play a game. I play as I_Liek_This_One or NS_Lieks_You.
Bullshido!

If you let your opponent reach titan age you suck!

Mostly you want to finish your enemy in Era 2 or Era 3! Not often you let it go to Mythic even!

IF as an Atlantean you should let the enemy summon a Titan, np, send in tanks and turn your Archers into Heroes. Np See ya Titan!

Well, rarely does it ever get to Titan anymore, I've gotten much better now (rating is like 1675 and I haven't lost in the last 5 games,1700 here I come). And the reason the turma heros thing doesnt work is because smart people with titans keep lots of units around it too, to take down the heros. Usually if someone starts trying to get a titan, I just make sure I get one at same time and trade em off.

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 23, 2004, 1:51 pm

Not Turma Heroes!

Arcus(Archers) with better damage and range! Horde of them!

Archer-Heroes will take care of most infantry (and Myth Units since they are heroes!), Katapeltes will take care of the cavalry!

The Titan will be Stopped!

Anyways, never let the opponent reach that age! What Civ ya playin Ash?

Im guessing Isis!

Asheran Mojomaster · February 24, 2004, 12:58 am

Nope, Oranos usually, and actually, usually they dont get Titan anymore, but it still happens sometimes. And I guess I just still use Turmas because I always used em when they were overpowered lol. Kinda a habit, plus its nice to have something that can own archers (katas and murms dont do the job).

I play Hades too sometimes, but I suck with him. He is just lots of fun to play. Its fun having so many archers (with some infantry thrown in to kill horses if they come to try to drop my archers) that I have to have 3 groupings to select em all. If I play Hades though, they almost always get a titan started (but with Hades they usually dont finish it, thx Earthquake + UP).

Edit : Oh yeah, I usually add in like 5 or 6 Cheiroballistas too for the infantry, that way I have a counter for all types, I always have a huge amount of wood \ gold early in the game (so I can build rax and TCs fast) so its much easier for me to go heavy on wood than food (If I did the arcus I would have to add in some horses for archers, more food). Though, once I hit heroic I usually go OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS harder on food so I can get those destroyers going, those things own buildings so hard. And actually, been thinking about going Kronos now, seems the Hekas are fucking badasses now, sure expensive, but 850 hps and can kill a fortress in 10 seconds (a single heka).

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » February 24, 2004, 2:19 am

Asheran Mojomaster wrote: I always have a huge amount of wood.

LoL

Kwonryu DragonFist · February 24, 2004, 4:22 am

Asheran Mojomaster wrote: And actually, been thinking about going Kronos now, seems the Hekas are fucking badasses now, sure expensive, but 850 hps and can kill a fortress in 10 seconds (a single heka).

You got that right Ash!

Hekas are teh bomb now (If you decide to go to Mythic!)

Asheran Mojomaster · February 24, 2004, 4:41 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:
Asheran Mojomaster wrote: And actually, been thinking about going Kronos now, seems the Hekas are fucking badasses now, sure expensive, but 850 hps and can kill a fortress in 10 seconds (a single heka).
You got that right Ash!

Hekas are teh bomb now (If you decide to go to Mythic!)

Yeah, I usually do go Mythic,

Fanatics. Fanatic Heros, Turma Heros (to kill those damn archers than own fanatics), and a few hekas. Also, found that I can always stop a Titan if I go for Hekas because then I can use vortex on top of it and crush it before it really even gets started (cept for Isis, h8 Isis).

Sparck · Post by **Sparck** » February 29, 2004, 9:03 pm

Kwon, what is your highest rating? I've made it to 1797 on the original AoM. Not too big of a Titans fan tho. I'm an Odin player

Mort · Post by **Mort** » March 2, 2004, 11:51 am

I will never forget the Krogoth slaughters I used to pull off at LAN games at my old bandroom on TA. Hours and hours and hours. Glad it made #1.

Inc 3 Krogoth's..... /wave enemy base.

Or the always lovable pee wee zerg 3 mins into game.

Loading it up tonight, we should setup a server for VV heh.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » March 2, 2004, 12:53 pm

Mort wrote:I will never forget the Krogoth slaughters I used to pull off at LAN games at my old bandroom on TA. Hours and hours and hours. Glad it made #1.

Inc 3 Krogoth's..... /wave enemy base.

Or the always lovable pee wee zerg 3 mins into game.

Loading it up tonight, we should setup a server for VV heh.

Never had a pee wee zerg, Flash run maybe? Those things would rip in the first 3 mins.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 2, 2004, 4:35 pm

I remember flash rushes were so effective because the gun firing would lag the other if you could have a dozen or so of them firing all at once. Cavedog patched in a new shot animation for them and they weren't as effective anymore.

The best TA tactic was to build an air transport as fast as you can and kidnap the other guy's commander with it. I was always surprised at how well that tactic worked considering the fact that one single static defense or one single unit that can hit aircraft can completely block it. Later on they patched it so commander's could shoot aircraft with their laser and totally ruined it. I got into the top 5 TA players on Case's ladder with that tactic!

Chris Taylor is reputed to be working on a spiritual successor to TA at GPG right now. I'm pretty excited about it. I haven't been able to appreciate another RTS as much as I used to since TA came out. They've all been sub standard rock-paper-scissors events.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » March 2, 2004, 5:02 pm

I don't remember lagging because of the gunfire, I thought it was the fact that if you assigned your commander to help build you could put them out fast as hell and it wouldn't really tax your resources. The other guy's Commander could D-gun but there's so many coming at him its just... well... zerg. Bind rushing?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 2, 2004, 6:50 pm

hmm, a couple of basic laser towers could fry a bunch of flash tanks without too much trouble. but yeah, you could build those little bastards pretty fast. I used to have 2 basic factories with a bunch of construction airplanes guarding them pumping out tons of flashes and peewees to back up my larger units whenever I attacked. they also made great scouts in huge packs so I could target my berthas on their statics.

the best thing about TA is that there were so many units but none of them were useless.