Pandering at it's finest....

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 4:12 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Cartalas wrote:There is not enought bandwidth on all the internet to post all of your qoutes on this.
So then just put up two. I dare you to find two quotes where I made racist comments towards caucasian people; a race of which I belong to.

Dont remind me Im ashamed that you belong to the human race.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 4:20 pm

Okay so basically you can't do it is what you're saying.

That's what I thought.

One day hopefully you are going to back up that big fucking mouth of yours. Well, probably not.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 4:22 pm

kyoukan wrote:Okay so basically you can't do it is what you're saying.

That's what I thought.

One day hopefully you are going to back up that big fucking mouth of yours. Well, probably not.

Its okay Kyoukan you know you posted it that all you need to know.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 4:23 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Cartalas wrote:There is not enought bandwidth on all the internet to post all of your qoutes on this.
So then just put up two. I dare you to find two quotes where I made racist comments towards caucasian people; a race of which I belong to.

kyoukan wrote: but go ahead and start up a campaign of assassinating world leaders and see how many fucking milliseconds that stupid ass cracker you have in the white house lasts

kyoukan wrote:Didn't this cracker asshole also promise he would quit the senate if forced out of leadership?

kyoukan wrote: However Lott is a living personification of the stupid, inbred, cracker windbag stereotype, and therefore is perfect for representing the GOP.

kyoukan wrote:
Katria wrote:It's a pathetic individual indeed that can not laugh at themselves.
spoken like a true cracker

Oops, you were not talking to me, my bad.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 4:36 pm

those aren't racist statements. a cracker is just slang for a slave owning southern racist. I don't use it as a derogatory reference to cover all white people and people who do are using it incorrectly.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 4:37 pm

I got something for you kyoukan

Bullshit!!

So your telling me if I call your boyfriend a Nigger, because it is only pointed at one person it is not racist. Fuck you Fuck your family you are sick.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 4, 2003, 4:42 pm

Damn Kyoukan, I bet your entirely owned ass goes away from this thread now.

You are not only racist, but ethnocentric, and one of those flag waving idiots you accuse Americans of being.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 4:45 pm

kyoukan wrote:those aren't racist statements. a cracker is just slang for a slave owning southern racist. I don't use it as a derogatory reference to cover all white people and people who do are using it incorrectly.

I dont know a single person that does not think me calling a white dude a cracker would be anything other than a racist statement. I asked a few white poeple at work here if it was a racist comment or not and it was a 100% yes out of the 6 I asked.You are a piece of work. Shall we debate the definition of 'is' next?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 4:47 pm

So wait, I am racist because I use a term to describe racist people for what they are?

You guys really have to try harder than that.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 4:50 pm

I's sorry, I kaint undastan, i's jus a simple nigga (a simple term used to describe blacks by slave owners) an neeeds ya talk slowa fo' me jes so's I can keeps up.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 4, 2003, 4:56 pm

some of you assholes need a trip to tolerance camp!

Burke · Post by **Burke** » September 4, 2003, 5:03 pm

I have a yen for a Ritz now.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 5:07 pm

If your co-workers (man they must get sick of you polling them 10 times a day to basically try to back up everything you say here) are using it as a general derogatory term for all white people then that is their problem.

As you can see from the quotes I was using in the context of describing a racist white man. Trent Lott for the first two, who is an open racist, and a third person who was trying to brush off someone being insulted by racially motivated comments as unable to "laugh at themselves."

I call other types of white people (say fallanthas for example) stupid red necks. Is red neck a racist comment too? If it is then don't vote for me when I run for president because I am probably at a nazi level of racism. What else is racist in your book? If I call Cartalas a shit head am I being racist because I called a white person a shit head?

But I'm not going to debate etymology with you. If you want to think I am racist against white folks because I called Trent Lott a stupid fucking cracker that should be hung from a tree then be my guest. I asked for examples of me using racially derogatory statements towards white people in general and the best you can come up with is that. Then the peanut gallery chimes in with 'lol kyoukan owned'

And why you are playing the nigger card I have no idea. Maybe you can explain it to me? If you are trying to use it as an example of how the word nigger is used to describe blacks is somehow in the same context than how the word cracker is used to describe whites then you aren't correct.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:14 pm

That was a well thought out argument you just made. I disagree.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 4, 2003, 5:20 pm

stupid fucking redneck crashes shoddily built stupid fucking redneck white trash mobile into tree.

Don't turn your back on this fucker for a second. When you do... BAM! He's marrying your pure blooded white women and breeding a whole new line of terrorist suicide bombers within the borders of your own country.

why is it all the white supremacists are always the bottom the barrel retards without a single redeeming quality to their credit? I guess it has to do with being too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

fulfill your racist fantasies of a "pure aryan" America

But then I guess if the US military was pickier about the slobs they scrape off the streets then maybe they would be less effective tools for the conservative white elite to manipulate.

Obviously Kyou is just misunderstood.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 4, 2003, 5:22 pm

I'd consider cracker the equivalent of nigger. Just with a lot less history and weight.

Post by **Xouqoa** » September 4, 2003, 5:27 pm

I think cracker is funny. I don't really think it holds quite the same meaning as teh n word.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » September 4, 2003, 5:30 pm

Not that Kyoukan needs any help on this one, but calling someone 'racist' for making derogatory remarks about white middle class men is a totally incorrect use of the term racist. It's one segment of a race, and it's about income and gender as much as race. That's prejudice, not racism (and I'm not even going to get into whether or not Kyou is prejudiced against all white middle class males).

As for cracker, it depends on the context in which the word is used. Cracker doesn't have the history associated with other derogatory terms, and definitely isn't in the same category as words like nigger. Most of the time, when I hear the word 'cracker,' it's being used as a funny insult, like 'dumbass,' and no one's offended (at least, no more than they would be if they'd been called a dumbass). Like I said, it depends on the context, but I think you'd have a pretty hard time crucifying someone as a racist if the term cracker is your only evidence.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 4, 2003, 5:39 pm

Xouqoa wrote:I think cracker is funny. I don't really think it holds quite the same meaning as teh n word.

You Fucking idiot, I understand your need to kiss Kyoukan's ass but shit I credited you with more intelligence than to defend her on this one. But then you defended her on the thread where she wanted to shoot retarded people in the head.

/shrug

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:40 pm

If I call someone a cracker at pretty much any job here in America, I am gone, same as if someone called me a nigger. So no, it would not be hard at all. For the record, cracker is a really weak racial term imo and one I always thought us blacks got jipped on when slinging racial slurs back and forth as a kid. We get the raw deal until we grow up and stop using the terms altogher (most of us anyway).

Post by **Sylvus** » September 4, 2003, 5:41 pm

Okay, I realize that a lot of you have a serious hardon for trying to make Kyoukan look bad, but are you fucking kidding me? As a white man, I can honestly say there isn't a person on the face of this planet that could use the word cracker in any way that would come close to making it have a fraction of the weight that the word nigger carries with it. To suggest otherwise is fucking laughable.

Reread those quotes a second or third time, and shove any of your lapdog comments up your ass. Every single one of them is directed at someone she deems a racist, and for the most part they are all directed at specific people and not a whole race of people. Furthermore, she's a member of that race. Are all of you seriously this far from having any sort of common sense?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 5:42 pm

We can sum up this whole thread with one statement

Kyoukan is a racist!!

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 4, 2003, 5:45 pm

someone she deems a racist

I really need to get a graphic to use when the point of an argument clips a flat top whilst flying over a posters head.

THAT'S THE POINT YOU DUMBFUCK!! WHO SHE DEEMS A RACIST WAS THE WHOLE GODDAMNED POINT! FIND ONE POST WHERE SHE CALLS SOMEONE OTHER THAN A WHITE A RACIST!!!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:51 pm

Sylvus I'll give you thebenefit of the doubt and say that you made your post close to when I made mine about how cracker does not even come close to being as offensive as nigger. I swear I will make no comments about reading comprehension. The point was not to guage which offends more though, she just asked to show her where she made a racist comment and I did. Now we are in a debate of symantics and "I did not mean it like thats". So now racist terms are only racist in accordance to the context that you use it in.....very interesting.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 5:53 pm

Sylvus wrote:Okay, I realize that a lot of you have a serious hardon for trying to make Kyoukan look bad, but are you fucking kidding me? As a white man, I can honestly say there isn't a person on the face of this planet that could use the word cracker in any way that would come close to making it have a fraction of the weight that the word nigger carries with it. To suggest otherwise is fucking laughable.

Reread those quotes a second or third time, and shove any of your lapdog comments up your ass. Every single one of them is directed at someone she deems a racist, and for the most part they are all directed at specific people and not a whole race of people. Furthermore, she's a member of that race. Are all of you seriously this far from having any sort of common sense?

Oh Shit here comes the fnord

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 5:54 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:If I call someone a cracker at pretty much any job here in America, I am gone, same as if someone called me a nigger.

Or a shithead, or a stupid cunt, or a fucking piece of human garbage.

That's a pretty poor analogy. If you called anyone at work a disparaging name you would be fired.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 5:55 pm

Fallanthas wrote:I really need to get a graphic to use when the point of an argument clips a flat top whilst flying over a posters head.

Use this one:

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:57 pm

Point. I dont care if Kyoukan calls you all crackers all the time. I was just in this to prove her wrong. Cartalas, just, shut up or something. You've got zero room to talk here dude.

Post by **Xouqoa** » September 4, 2003, 5:58 pm

Atokal wrote:You Fucking idiot, I understand your need to kiss Kyoukan's ass but shit I credited you with more intelligence than to defend her on this one. But then you defended her on the thread where she wanted to shoot retarded people in the head.

So you're telling me that if someone called you a cracker, you would be genuinely offended by it? I only ask because I wouldn't be. Maybe I'm just more secure in my knowledge of who and what I am than you are, I dunno.

I wasn't siding with anyone, I was just making a statement. I suppose your anti-fnord rage prohibits you from understanding that though, and causes you to connect dots that aren't even there. (lolz I plagiarized voronwe)

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:59 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:If I call someone a cracker at pretty much any job here in America, I am gone, same as if someone called me a nigger.
Or a shithead, or a stupid cunt, or a fucking piece of human garbage.

That's a pretty poor analogy. If you called anyone at work a disparaging name you would be fired.

But only one of those terms would be categorized as a racist name though, and thats cracker.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 6:02 pm

so what is your point? if you called someone a derogatory name you would be fired. whether or not it was racist.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 6:04 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Point. I dont care if Kyoukan calls you all crackers all the time. I was just in this to prove her wrong. Cartalas, just, shut up or something. You've got zero room to talk here dude.

Blow it out your ass Mr. Im not going to respond to cartalas. She called me a racist so I guess I should know my own right. And I see racist.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 6:06 pm

What's my point? I said only one of those words would get you fired for making a racist statement you knuckle head. Clear enough the second time round?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 6:07 pm

Ok this has turned into a circus, I'm out of this thread.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 4, 2003, 6:12 pm

Fallanthas wrote:I really need to get a graphic to use when the point of an argument clips a flat top whilst flying over a posters head.

THAT'S THE POINT YOU DUMBFUCK!! WHO SHE DEEMS A RACIST WAS THE WHOLE GODDAMNED POINT! FIND ONE POST WHERE SHE CALLS SOMEONE OTHER THAN A WHITE A RACIST!!!

Okay, let's explore this concept of me being a dumbfuck. Why does she have to call someone other than a white a racist in order for her to be accurate when calling a white a racist? I'm white, would I be wrong if I called, say... George Wallace a racist? Do I need to accuse a Chinese person of being a racist before I could do that? Would I be discriminating against the mentally handicapped by calling you a retard? Because I'm not trying to be, and you are a retard.

The point of the whole argument was that Kyoukan asked for some factual evidence supporting the claims that she was always making racist comments against white people. So far, I've seen a handful of cases where she uses the word cracker when describing a particular person that she doesn't care for to illustrate their way of thinking. She has stated what the word cracker means to her, and why she used it. It's obvious - at least to me and most of the english speakers around here - why she doesn't like said people, and those reasons are many and include the fact that she believes them to be racist. On the other hand, you get someone referring to her significant other as a nigger, strictly on the basis of his dark skin. There's a clear distinction between the two.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 6:17 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:What's my point? I said only one of those words would get you fired for making a racist statement you knuckle head. Clear enough the second time round?

err, no you didn't. you just said it would get you fired.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 4, 2003, 6:17 pm

The point is that CRACKER is a derogatory term used specifically towards the white RACE. Making it a RACIST word.

Xou would I be offended by the word? Depends who said it and the circumstances under which the term was used.

Hey Toker can you pass me the Crackers?

BTW Kyoukan you do have white people issues that need to be addressed. The venom you have towards Middle Class White Males is astounding. I just did a search and although the best examples are posted in this thread it is the sheer volume of posts you make that slam and deride the White Male that tells us you are a racist.

Cheers

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » September 4, 2003, 6:18 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:So now racist terms are only racist in accordance to the context that you use it in.....very interesting.

If the context is the race of the person using the term then yeah, absolutely. I don't think black people calling each other 'nigga' are (generally) going to be accused of being racist. The same goes for white people calling each other cracker. It's pretty hard to make a convincing argument (in most cases, anyway) that someone's racist against their own race.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 4, 2003, 6:19 pm

Why does she have to call someone other than a white a racist in order for her to be accurate when calling a white a racist?

Sylvus, would you agree that being a racist means continually making derogatory remarks based on ones race? Read the tidbits I posted and think about that. If you think all that has been posted on this board by her bannananess that is derogatory to whites exists in that one word....

take off your blinders man. It's pitiful.

Whether or not Kyou calls a white a racist has not a goddamned thing to do with anything. The fact that she has never, ever, not once applied the term to anyone who was not white implies;

a) only whites are racists

b) kyoukan is herself, a racist

You decide which one is true.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 6:19 pm

Atokal wrote:BTW Kyoukan you do have white people issues that need to be addressed. The venom you have towards Middle Class White Males is astounding. I just did a search and although the best examples are posted in this thread it is the sheer volume of posts you make that slam and deride the White Male that tells us you are a racist.

Cheers

such as?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 6:23 pm

Atokal wrote:The point is that CRACKER is a derogatory term used specifically towards the white RACE. Making it a RACIST word.

Xou would I be offended by the word? Depends who said it and the circumstances under which the term was used.

Hey Toker can you pass me the Crackers?

BTW Kyoukan you do have white people issues that need to be addressed. The venom you have towards Middle Class White Males is astounding. I just did a search and although the best examples are posted in this thread it is the sheer volume of posts you make that slam and deride the White Male that tells us you are a racist.

Cheers

NO! NO! Toker you dont understand she has a black boyfriend hence she is immune from being a racist.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 4, 2003, 6:31 pm

Chef wrote:How are my little crackers doing today?

Post by **Sylvus** » September 4, 2003, 6:38 pm

Fallanthas wrote: Sylvus, would you agree that being a racist means continually making derogatory remarks based on ones race? Read the tidbits I posted and think about that. If you think all that has been posted on this board by her bannananess that is derogatory to whites exists in that one word....

I would agree that that is one of the characteristics of a racist, yes. Another characteristic would be a general disdain for said race, and the thing that I think people are failing to see is that most of the so-called racist behavior is directed at individuals. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that 90% + of the members of this board are white, including Kyoukan, and for the most part they all laugh and play together. I disagree with the statement that she is racist against white people. I will agree with the statement that of the hostility she shows, a good portion of it is toward conservative, middle-class white males. I don't attribute that behavior to a racist, but more to a liberal.

Whether or not Kyou calls a white a racist has not a goddamned thing to do with anything. The fact that she has never, ever, not once applied the term to anyone who was not white implies;

a) only whites are racists

b) kyoukan is herself, a racist

You decide which one is true.

I think you are missing

c) the subject of racism doesn't come up all that often in a non-white context.

d) racism from whites hits home because someone she cares about isn't white

or
e) any of a multitude of other reasons

I'm one of the middle class, slightly right-of-center white males that she's supposedly attacking and I have taken no issue with any of the things she has ever said about "my people" on this board. I stand by my claim that people just have a hardon to prove her wrong.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 6:41 pm

I can not belive you posted this and to say that is not racist.

"I will agree with the statement that of the hostility she shows, a good portion of it is toward conservative, middle-class white males. I don't attribute that behavior to a racist, but more to a liberal."

So from now on all my hostility is towards whitewomen who date black men but its not racist ok.

Jesus christ are you really that stupid.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 4, 2003, 6:42 pm

A crack calling people crackers. Weak!

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 4, 2003, 6:50 pm

I think you will all agree that Kyoukan is of above average intelligence. Although some like Sylvus drool so much around her I would dare say she is held in the genius category.

Someone of Kyoukans intelligence cannot claim ignorance of a term she bandies around with the frequency of breathing.

Sylvus, here is something for you to try and rationalize. Would it be ok for me to call a black person a nigger if I didn't mean it in a derogatory manner. Lets say I think nigger means a black person who commits a crime. Under Kyoukans rules as long as the person is perceived to be guilty of another form of bad behaviour (ie. A Racist) it is ok to pull out the racial slurs.

crack·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krkr)
n.

3. Offensive.
a. Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.
b. Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

Defend her now Sylvus.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 4, 2003, 7:10 pm

personally i find nothing wrong with a "racist" joke or comment made, of course as long is its not said in a hateful way
im spanish and i wont get offendid if you call me a gay bullfighter or a spic or whatever else
i know a lot of people that are "minoritys" that feel the same way, and dont get offendid if i say something jokingly about there race, nationallity, etc

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » September 4, 2003, 7:12 pm

You are a dumbshit Atokal. SHE IS USING IT IN THIS WAY:

poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States

You guys can't clearly see the difference because you are ignorant little shits and you just want to spit on kyo as much as you can.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 4, 2003, 7:13 pm

Xzion wrote:personally i find nothing wrong with a "racist" joke or comment made, of course as long is its not said in a hateful way
im spanish and i wont get offendid if you call me a gay bullfighter or a spic or whatever else
i know a lot of people that are "minoritys" that feel the same way, and dont get offendid if i say something jokingly about there race, nationallity, etc

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 4, 2003, 7:22 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:You are a dumbshit Atokal. SHE IS USING IT IN THIS WAY:

poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States

You guys can't clearly see the difference because you are ignorant little shits and you just want to spit on kyo as much as you can.

Wow Another Dumb ass why is that not racist Im sure it is to the Rural poor white person, but thats fair I guess a inner city poor black person is a nigger?