Spiderman 2

Durew · Post by **Durew** » May 7, 2004, 10:55 am

Hi-Res trailer

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pict ... large.html

Looks great

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » May 7, 2004, 10:58 am

Deffinately sold on this.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » May 7, 2004, 11:55 am

mmmm...can't wait!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 7, 2004, 1:17 pm

The first Spiderman was my favorite comic turned into movie with X-Men a close second.

While the X-Men has more depth for sequels, I'm hoping Spiderman 2 is entertaining as well.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 29, 2004, 2:15 pm

It's getting pretty good reviews. With most of them saying it's better than the original.

There's still, alas, only a tenuous link between Peter and that little, digitized, computer-game figure that hurtles with impossible fluidity through those wide CGI avenues. I had hoped that Raimi and his army of FX people would get a little more real with the action this time, but the figures of Spider-Man and his tentacled antagonist, Doc Ock, are often downright cartoony. That said, they've made these sequences explosively kinetic, with sharp angles, rock-'em-sock-'em editing, and a brilliantly three-dimensional cityscape. The action is unreal, but it spins your head, bombards your senses, and otherwise envelops you. It's the closest thing to a virtual-reality comic book without a helmet.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 29, 2004, 2:17 pm

This one appears to have a MUCH better story than the first. I think this will be the movie of the summer.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » June 29, 2004, 2:21 pm

Got my tickets already... going to see it tonight.

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » June 29, 2004, 9:35 pm

Seeing this tomorrow, compliments of work. Gotta love it. I can't wait.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » June 30, 2004, 3:56 am

Prior to seeing this I thought X2 was the best comic gone movie.... this has taken the top slot...

X2 had a lot of great things for the comic fans that didnt necessarily need to be explained for the movie to make sense... I liked that a lot(GOTOHELLWORDFILTER!)... Spider Man 2 laid it all out... but it did such an awesome job of it!... great comic releif, great action... and even a pretty damn good story...

Two thumbs up here..

Trek · Post by **Trek** » June 30, 2004, 6:44 am

I enjoyed it and thought it was really good, 2 things that stick out tho, 1. It dragged a bit in parts. 2. Dunst shouldnt be aloud to speak (maybe thats the cause of 1).

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » June 30, 2004, 5:56 pm

It was good.

[Show]: Did anyone notice Harry's Dark Green bowtie at the end?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » June 30, 2004, 6:04 pm

Winnow wrote:The first Spiderman was my favorite comic turned into movie with X-Men a close second.

While the X-Men has more depth for sequels, I'm hoping Spiderman 2 is entertaining as well.

I just hope that if they keep making Spiderman movies that they wait a LONG LONG LONG LONG time before ever introducing Venom or Carnage.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 30, 2004, 6:52 pm

Well the door is open for Venom.

They mention Eddie Brock in the 1st Spiderman in one of the scenes at the Bugle.

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » June 30, 2004, 9:12 pm

Just saw it, Brock has a couple of appearances in this movie. I liked it better than the first movie, it seemed to flow good and the humor made it fun to watch. Good movie.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » July 1, 2004, 12:02 am

Some guys I wouldn't mind seeing:

Rhino - Big Burly guy with a super suit:

Scorpion - Another guy in a nifty super suite, with a long, incredibly fast tail with an poison-shooting pincer.

Kraven - A hunter with superhuman strength, stamina, speed, and agility. He can run 60mph, tame beasts and is great with traps, etc.

Calypso - Kraven's lover, possesses voodoo powers. They could team up on Spiderman as one of his most challenging fights.

Sandman - His body basically can turn to sand, stone, or glass. He has total control over it, making weapons and travelling through the ground.

Lizardman - Dr. Conners was apparently introduced in Spider-Man 2, thought i havent seen it, He lost an arm at somepoint, and using a syrem with lizard genes, his arm grew back. However, he turned into a lizard-man. Superhuman guy, with almost as much agility as SPiderMan himself

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 1, 2004, 1:18 am

Just saw it too, DAMN good movie. I dont see any other movie topping this, even Alien VS Predator

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » July 1, 2004, 1:23 am

Venom, Lizardman or Hobgoblin are my pics for villain in Spidey 3

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 1, 2004, 2:46 am

Early villians in the early spiderman comics included Mysterio and Doctor Doom. If I had to make a guess, Hobgoblin (Harry), Lizard Man, or Mysterio would be likely main villians for the next movie. Venom and Carnage bring in all the gay Secret Wars bullshit and do not really have much story potential. My personal pick would be to run either the Mysterio or Lizard Man story line along side the Black Cat romance.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » July 1, 2004, 4:13 am

Personally i would guess on Hobgoblin, after they kept Harry in the 2nd movie too (and no, havent seen it yet, not out in DK yet).

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 1, 2004, 5:49 am

Jice Virago wrote:Early villians in the early spiderman comics included Mysterio and Doctor Doom.

Doctor Doom is more known for his battles with the Fantastic Four.

Hmmm, when I think about it, Spiderman doesn't have a lot of big time villians. I wasn't collecting comics anymore when the whole Venom thing came out so don't know much about that.

Nothing can stop the Sand Man!

Here's your choices:

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/enemies/

murr · Post by **murr** » July 1, 2004, 9:58 am

I really enjoyed it. Excellent superhero movie. Raimi did a great job. I *loved* Molina as Doctor Octopus - I was never a huge fan of that character in the comics but he really won me over in the film. J.K. Simmons, who played Jonah Jameson, was incredibly good as well.

As far as villains go, Venom (and later, Carnage) was always my favorite. The issue is having the technology to make him look good. The sequel made some improvements but there are still some issues with CGI.

Also, from what I recall, Harry is the Green Goblin - the Hobgoblin is a separate person altogether. Some robber (I think it's actually the one who killed Uncle Ben, if memory serves) got his hands on some of the green goblin's equipment and it went from there. I still think they made the Goblin mask too power ranger-esque but he's still my favorite villain, next to Venom. The issue I saw with Lizard is that the guy who played Connors couldn't do an action scene at all - Liz would have to be pure CGI as well.

Dr. Doom would own.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 1, 2004, 10:51 am

It was good. It tended to be a bit slow at times, as others have said. It seemed more like a love story with action instead of an action movie with a love story. The fights were top notch. The train battle alone was worth the price of admission.

8.5 out of 10.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 1, 2004, 1:28 pm

How can you forget Electro!

I'd rather see Electro, Vulture, BEETLE, LIzard, Mysterio, Sandman, Kraven, Rhino and SCORPION before Carnage/Venom etc.

Those are the old-school Spidey villains!

Madame Web should be in some movie as well!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 1, 2004, 1:38 pm

I was so sure that Dr. COnnors was going to make an apperance as the Lizard Man in this one. Especially since Peter got fired in the first movie.

My guess for the next Spiderman will be that its just Venom, and/or Carnage. Didn't see this one yet but isn't someone an astronaut in this one? If I remember correctly, Venom is brought back by a shuttle.

Runcade · Post by **Runcade** » July 1, 2004, 8:47 pm

Jameson the newspaper owner had a son that is an astronaut and i believe the son is actually a villian later on.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 1, 2004, 9:45 pm

If I remember correctly, Venom is brought back by a shuttle.

Spidey got the original black costume during the first Secret Wars. It wasn't until several years later that they developed the Venom character. So yes, it was from outer space, but it was an entirely different set of circumstances.

Lor · Post by **Lor** » July 1, 2004, 10:19 pm

Venom > All

Too bad we won't see him for a long long time.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 2, 2004, 9:33 am

My reasons for not bringing them in so soon are based on the comics themselves. He was nowhere near the first villains faced by Spiderman and some might think it a cool idea to bring Venom in soon just because of the current fanboyz liking him and Carnage. I think that going through the villains and overall story in a more linear (to the comics) approach will help the series as a whole.

*edit* too early

Trek · Post by **Trek** » July 2, 2004, 10:43 am

I would be a little disappointed to see either of them soon. But that is only based on them making a bunch of movies, if they are only going to make a few more then I would like to see them both.

murr · Post by **murr** » July 2, 2004, 10:58 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:
If I remember correctly, Venom is brought back by a shuttle.
Spidey got the original black costume during the first Secret Wars. It wasn't until several years later that they developed the Venom character. So yes, it was from outer space, but it was an entirely different set of circumstances.

Apparently they redid that storyline for the animated series a few years back in which the shuttle which John Jameson pilots to teh moon and back brings back the symbiote instead. There is speculation (probably rightly) that they will go with that storyline once they bring in Venom.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 2, 2004, 3:25 pm

Mysterio and teh Lizard were my favorite old school villans. Venom was the black and white costume that he brought back from the Secret Wars, right?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 2, 2004, 4:05 pm

Just saw it today, my guess is for Spiderman 3...

[Show]: Harry as the Green Goblin, because he finds his dad's old stuff, and The Lizard, just because Doc Connors made a longer appearance this time around.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 2, 2004, 5:17 pm

I'm not sure we want another Green Goblin. Maybe as a subplot or something but I don't think it would work with GG as a major villan. I seriously hope they don't go that route.

(Didn't use the spoiler tag because I don't think that is one!)

Waran · Post by **Waran** » July 2, 2004, 5:32 pm

Anyone else catch the Stan Lee cameo?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 2, 2004, 5:47 pm

Waran wrote:Anyone else catch the Stan Lee cameo?

Best Stan Lee cameo was in Mall Rats!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 2, 2004, 6:43 pm

Aslanna wrote:I'm not sure we want another Green Goblin. Maybe as a subplot or something but I don't think it would work with GG as a major villan. I seriously hope they don't go that route.

(Didn't use the spoiler tag because I don't think that is one!)

According to the comic, Harry becomes the Green Goblin. But all of that happens during the cloning era, and I doubt that they will touch that subject a lot. So ya, I guess it will be a subplot.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 2, 2004, 7:34 pm

Bah!

I heard that in Spiderman 3, Vin Diesel is going to play Venom.

Too early to bring in Venom IMHO!

What about the classic villains?!?

Oh well.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » July 2, 2004, 10:49 pm

Next one will have Green Goblin II, but he will share the screen with another villain I'm sure. Probably Man-Wolf or Lizardman, because this movie set up both of those characters. Dr. Connor=Lizard, John Jameson=Man-Wolf.

I remember hearing somewhere that Sam Raimi does not like the character of Venom at all. I don't think he will be in the next one, but since he is not directing after the 3rd movie, he may be setting that character up for whoever directs Spiderman 4+.

John Jameson becomes Man-Wolf after traveling to the moon and finding some interesting gem. The gem happened to be some alien artifact that turns him into the Man-Wolf. I personally don't think this character will be in Spidey 3. He's not nearly as cool or enfamous as Lizard.

As for Lizard, I could see this happening with the plot: Dr. Connors comes to Harry Osborn for financial backing to create a syrum, derived from reptile genes that will be a medical breakthrough. The research, brought on by Dr. Connor's own disability(missing an arm), will hopefully end in the creation of a syrum that allows humans to grow back missing limbs. Connors will use the syrum, like in the comics and grow back his arm...with the little side-effect of become a horrible reptilian beast.

Green Goblin will be the really evil bad guy, and Dr. Connors will be the tragic villain, struggling to be the good man he is under all the green scales. Perhaps he will overcome his reptilian side and help Spidey in the end.

Something like that.

Then of course I have a wacky idea, that maybe we'll be thrown a curveball, and Chameleon(shapeshifter) is one of the next bad guys. He could have been in Spiderman or Spiderman 2, in a less obvious form. I think it would be pretty cool, as it could mean that one of the supporting characters from the first two movies, was the Chameleon the entire time. He could be trying to find out who Spidey is before he comes out in all of his villainous glory. After all, the Chameleon was a very tricky motherfucker in the comics.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 2, 2004, 11:21 pm

Vin could be venom, if vin could act

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » July 2, 2004, 11:55 pm

Ok I just found another character that I hadn't realized was important to the comics.

Betty Brant - Seemingly innocent secretary at the Newspaper. What you don't know is that she is a martial arts and weapons specialist. Doubt the movies will use this character any time soon.

Here's the actress, if you remember seeing her in Spider-Man 2. She had straight, shoulder-length red hair:

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/betty_brant.html

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 3, 2004, 12:30 am

Next one will have Green Goblin II

Well.. I can't say that's really an exciting idea. I hope they do a better job with GG2 than they did on GG1. I'm predicting now that 3 wont be as well reviewed if we have the 'same' villan as was in 1. But I could be wrong... We'll see!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 3, 2004, 10:38 am

btw green goblin 2 was hobgoblin...unless i'm completely fucking crazy.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 3, 2004, 10:50 am

Sionistic wrote:Vin could be venom, if vin could act

Yes, but what boggles me is why they are bringing in Venom so soon as to Episode 3?

Why not have more classical Villains first.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 3, 2004, 10:50 am

Truant wrote:btw green goblin 2 was hobgoblin...unless i'm completely fucking crazy.

You are, they were 2 diffenerent villains using the same technology.

Trias · Post by **Trias** » July 3, 2004, 1:19 pm

THE VULTURE WILL PWN YOU ALL!

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » July 3, 2004, 6:16 pm

There were more than 2 Green Goblins. I know of atleast 3, one died pretty quick. The 2 Osbornes and then another which was a psychologist of Harry I think, and learned the identity of Spiderman and about the Green Goblin costume. He decided he might as well have his try at being a villain and he got beat down by Spiderman easily. It was really stupid writing

. There were also two Hobgoblins, and the 2nd one made some sort of pact with a demon for greater power and became:

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 4, 2004, 6:03 am

Saw Spiderman 2 today. It was as good as the first one but it was starting to get a tad depressing.

[Show]: I'm not sure they could possibly pile on any more bad things to happen to Peter Parker in that movie. If they didn't end it on a good note with MJ showing up at his door it would have seriously been a downer.

It certainly looks like Harry and the GG will return in the next movie but they'd better have another villain as I don't think the Green Goblin alone would keep anyone's interest. The Mary Jane thing will be wearing thin in the third installment as well. I was impressed with #2 so I'll be looking forward to #3 and trust that they can make it worthwhile

It's nice that it ended on a positive note!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » July 4, 2004, 10:25 am

[Show]: I'm back, I'm back I'm.... AAAAGGGGGHHHH.
My back... my back...

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 4, 2004, 1:53 pm

Anyone else notice Bruce Campbell as the usher?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 4, 2004, 3:40 pm

Lynks wrote:Anyone else notice Bruce Campbell as the usher?

Just you I think!