Gee I guess finding those WMDs wasn't so serious after all

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 26, 2004, 9:28 pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... ponssearch

The jokes came at Wednesday night's annual Radio and Television Correspondents Association dinner. In a 10-minute, mostly puckish, self-deprecating speech, the president presented a slide show he called "an election year, White House photo album."

In several photos, he appeared to be searching the Oval Office. A photo of Bush looking under a piece of furniture was flashed on the large projection screens in the ballroom.

"Those weapons of mass destruction got to be here somewhere," Bush said in his narration, drawing laughter from the audience of journalists, politicians, government workers and other guests.

Another photo showed him looking through a window. "Nope, no weapons over there," the president said.

"I'm appalled," said Larry Syverson of Richmond, Va., who has a son serving with the Army in Iraq and another who recently returned after serving in the Tikrit area. Syverson read news accounts of the event.

"I think it's in extremely poor taste," he said. "I think he owes an apology to those families who have lost loved ones there and those of us that are going through the dread every day having a son or daughter in Iraq."

Syverson recalled the displeasure many military families felt with Bush after he appeared last year to be daring Iraqi insurgents to attack U.S. troops by saying "Bring it on."

"Now he pokes fun at the reason that he told us [soldiers] went over there. I think it's extremely callous."

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan defended the president. "There is no question about the seriousness about which the president approaches this issue" of the Iraq war, she said.

At such dinners, mainstays of the Washington social circuit, presidents traditionally poke fun at themselves and that's all Bush was doing, she said.

She added that the president ended his speech on a serious note with a "very moving tribute to the men and women of the military in which he expressed appreciation for their keeping our nation safe."

But Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who watched the dinner on television, echoed other critics when he said he wasn't amused.

"I didn't see the humor in it," Durbin said. "I don't think there's anything humorous about the American people being misled about the reasons for going to war."

Asked if Bush should apologize, Durbin said he need not go that far. But the joke "was in bad taste," he said.

Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts, the presumptive Democratic nominee, also took Bush to task.

"If George Bush thinks his deceptive rationale for going to war is a laughing matter, then he's even more out of touch than we thought," his campaign said in a statement.

Questions about the propriety of Bush's comedy routine were even raised Thursday at a Pentagon (news - web sites) briefing. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was asked whether the president and many of the journalists at the dinner erred by treating the issue of weapons of mass destruction so lightly.

"So my question," a reporter said, "... both for the president, with respect, and for the news media--is it appropriate to make a joke ... about the hunt for weapons of mass destruction, when both [the president and Rumsfeld] were involved in the difficult issue of sending troops to war for that hunt? And did the news media also blow it by sitting there and laughing?"

Rumsfeld replied: "I wasn't there . . . and I just am not in a position to be judgmental about that."

Well I'm glad to see that Bush has a good sense of humor about his absolute lack of competence!!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 26, 2004, 9:39 pm

yeah I read that the other day but I didn't feel like commenting on it at the time. I am wondering if his campaign officials are actually trying to sabotage the election because the complete incompetence of his PR guys are only rivalled by the total incompetence of the rest of his administration.

So far something like 60,000 Iraqis have died along with 550 or so US soldiers and another couple of hundred civilians from other countries, and of course the 150 or so billion dollars it's cost so far, and this fucking oaf is cracking jokes about the fucking lies he used to cause all this. yeah, nice one. this is right up there with his "bring 'em on" comment when he was asked about how he feels about US soldiers dying to insurgent attacks.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » March 26, 2004, 10:51 pm

I'm completely disgusted.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 26, 2004, 10:53 pm

Truant wrote:I'm completely disgusted.

What just now?...

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 26, 2004, 11:27 pm

The catalyst issue for an invasion of another country shouldn't be something the commander and chief jokes about.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 27, 2004, 2:21 am

In a way i think him bringing out the situation in some sort light is a step forward, at least now he is somewhat acknowledging that he fucked up, shows that he has some sort of balls, confidence and a sense of humor.
If anyone is going to be disgusted, they should be disgusted at Bush for going to war with Iraq, and not be hating the man in such a fanatical sense that stupid shit like that would "disgust" you.

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » March 27, 2004, 2:39 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:The catalyst issue for an invasion of another country shouldn't be something the commander and chief jokes about.

/agree

While I'm sure it was an off-the-cuff sort of quip, not meant to have any *real* bearing on the issue, it does belie a sort of cavalier attitude that I find sort of distasteful. I agree with you 100%. He shouldn't be joking about it - especially with the onus being on him, such as it is, to produce these WMD's.

And, as much as I am not a Republican, I wasn't that disappointed with his job as our state gov. He wasn't great, but he wasn't bad, either. He was a centrist, who reigned in outliers from both parties. He managed not to have an education crisis, which has proven tricky for our govs, and...well...he was just sorta there - not too remarkable.

I didn't vote for him, but I wasn't terrified when he took the office of President. I figured it'd be 4 unremarkable years...that he'd be like he was as gov.

OMG, how foolish that was. The man's got to go.

Things done and/or attempted:
<ul><li>Drilling for oil in the ANWR
<li>Banning stem cell research
<li>Attempted rollback or Roe v. Wade
<li>"Freedom" fries
<li>A return to the Keynesian "trickle-down" nonsense that worked so well in the Reagan era
<li>Record deficits
<li>No Child Left Behind
<li>Ken Lay on energy council
<li>Clear Skies Initiative, which was anything but helpful to the environment
<li>Withdrawl from Kyoto agreement
<li>Stacking scientific panels to achieve findings ammenable to big business
<li>Awarded no-bid military contracts to Halliburton and KBR (yay for war profiteering!)
<li>Curtailing of civil liberties in the PATRIOT act
<li>Prisoners held without charge or trial in Gitmo
<li>Constitutional ammendment to ban gay marraige
<li>Faith based initiatives
<li>Removal of condom information from CDC's STD website
<li>Only abstinence-based African AIDS relief - no prophylactics
<li>Outing of an undercover CIA operative as payback for her husband
<li>Alienating much of "Old Europe" and squandering a global outpouring of goodwill in the aftermath of 9-11
<li>Arguably the most divisive, partisan political climate in Washington in the past century
<li>Stonewalling of several investigative committees, citing "national security" and claiming executive privilege on a scale not seen since Nixon
<li>Unsactioned, preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation, citing WMD's and imminent thread.
<li>Re-framing of that causus belli into "to liberate the suffering people", failing to turn up WMD's, and accusing those who question the missing WMD's of being "revisionist historians"
<li>Making cavalier jokes about the lack of these WMD's that our young men and women were sent off to fight and die for.
<li>Placement of interim judges on various courts during vacation sessions
</ul>

...and that's just what I can remember off the top of my head.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 27, 2004, 2:55 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:The catalyst issue for an invasion of another country shouldn't be something the commander and chief jokes about.

I was all ready to argue with you until I read what you said. Agreed!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » March 27, 2004, 10:11 am

Xzion wrote:If anyone is going to be disgusted, they should be disgusted at Bush for going to war with Iraq, and not be hating the man in such a fanatical sense that stupid shit like that would "disgust" you.

You probably don't remember...short term memory problems and all, but I am and was disgusted that he went to war in the first place.

And secondoffuckingall, it might be one thing to joke about the situation a few years from now, you know WHEN OUR FUCKING TROOPS AREN'T STILL THERE GETTING SHOT AT...as of right now...it's disgusting.

He's accountable for every single dead US troop, because this was HIS conflict. And he has the audacity to JOKE about it?

ffs

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 27, 2004, 11:02 am

hahahahhaha. remember when those planes crashed into those buildings? lol. that was so funny. lololololol.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 27, 2004, 11:02 am

Truant wrote:
Xzion wrote:If anyone is going to be disgusted, they should be disgusted at Bush for going to war with Iraq, and not be hating the man in such a fanatical sense that stupid shit like that would "disgust" you.
You probably don't remember...short term memory problems and all, but I am and was disgusted that he went to war in the first place.

And secondoffuckingall, it might be one thing to joke about the situation a few years from now, you know WHEN OUR FUCKING TROOPS AREN'T STILL THERE GETTING SHOT AT...as of right now...it's disgusting.

He's accountable for every single dead US troop, because this was HIS conflict. And he has the audacity to JOKE about it?

ffs

I 100% agree with you and believe he is one of the worst presedents of all time. But would you rather the man keep on denying that he fucked up(hell thats far more discusting), or come out in some sort of light, and indirectly admit that he fucked up?

Siji · Post by **Siji** » March 27, 2004, 1:32 pm

Yet more proof that Clinton pwned Bush in every way.

Clinton's little "White House movie" was funny. Bill doing laundry, washing the car, etc. Would love to find an MPG of that somewhere..

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » March 27, 2004, 2:24 pm

Read Kerry's comments following Bush's joke about the wmds.

"That's supposed to be funny?" Kerry asked in a statement published on the Drudge Report.

"If George Bush thinks his deceptive rationale for going to war is a laughing matter, then he's even more out of touch than we thought. Unfortunately for the president, this is not a joke."

Continued the Massachusetts senator: "Five-hundred eighty-five American soldiers have been killed in Iraq in the last year; 3,354 have been wounded, and there's no end in sight. … George Bush sold us on going to war with Iraq based on the threat of weapons of mass destruction. But we still haven't found them, and now he thinks that's funny?

"George Bush didn't tell us the truth about the economy, about job loss, about the true cost of his deceptive prescription drug plan, or about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. There's nothing funny about that."

The statement also included a quote from Brad Owens, an Iraq war veteran and apparent Kerry supporter.

"George Bush insulted me as a veteran and as a friend to many still serving in Iraq," Owens said. "This act lowers the dialogue about weapons of mass destruction. War is the single most serious event that a President or government can carry its people into. No weapons of mass destruction have been found and that is no joke - this is for real. This cheapens the sacrifice that American soldiers and their families are dealing with every single day."

When I saw him tell the joke, my jaw dropped. How can he be so flippant about this? That's the first time I have actually gotten pissed at a Bush comment. Yea I have disagreed with his policies etc, but never have I been peeved about one of his comments. Speaking as a first gulf war vet, he needs to be kicked in the face for joking about something that has lead to good soldiers dying just so he can have a snappy punch line at some banquet. Maybe this was his master plan for invasion all along? Good joke material.

How to be the life of the party 101, first, invade a country under false pretenses, then make jokes about it! Viola, instant popularity!

Where can I get my copy.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 27, 2004, 2:29 pm

Does anyone have a link to the clip?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 27, 2004, 3:57 pm

Jeeze, I'm glad you all aren't together discussing this IRL. It sounds like a mob scene waiting to happen. You'd probably ransack a 7/11 and flip over cars in your rage over a little comment.

I agree that he shouldn't have joked about WMD. Move on! Maybe next time he'll bring a chimp and joke about people making comparisons.

I can see that Arnold is a lock to be president if they let foreign born Americans be president in the future. Clinton was popular because he partied it up, fucked interns, hit the drugs, ate junk food, and played the sax on talk shows. The incedible amount of time wasted by this nation investigating Clinton because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants makes him the best president ever! Arnold doesn't do drugs but he'lll grab some asses and have all sorts of cool one liners to entertain the masses of idiots in this country who want to be entertained more than care about the actual role of the presidency.

Focus more on providing some reasons why candidate X would be a better president. Im not going to vote for someone else because people are telling me Bush sucks. Everyone sucks. I'm motivated to change my opinions by hearing positive things about candidates. Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 27, 2004, 4:06 pm

Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!

Well Jesus, thanks for disproving everything that human experience has taught us about politics!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » March 27, 2004, 4:11 pm

Does saying something totally stupid on camera constitute a smear campaign against ones self?

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 27, 2004, 4:18 pm

Winnow wrote: I'm motivated to change my opinions by hearing positive things about candidates. Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!

Well...ya know, sometimes the negatives are pretty important to attend to...

Hitler had a lot of positives if you just choose to ignore the downside...

While I'm not comparing either candidate to Hitler...Negatives can be critically important to a reasonable decision making process...And presenting them can be done without bashing or smearing...

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 27, 2004, 4:20 pm

Sueven wrote:
Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!
Well Jesus, thanks for disproving everything that human experience has taught us about politics!

He was referring to his personal motivation there...

...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 27, 2004, 4:27 pm

Winnow wrote:Jeeze, I'm glad you all aren't together discussing this IRL. It sounds like a mob scene waiting to happen. You'd probably ransack a 7/11 and flip over cars in your rage over a little comment.

I agree that he shouldn't have joked about WMD. Move on! Maybe next time he'll bring a chimp and joke about people making comparisons.

I can see that Arnold is a lock to be president if they let foreign born Americans be president in the future. Clinton was popular because he partied it up, fucked interns, hit the drugs, ate junk food, and played the sax on talk shows. The incedible amount of time wasted by this nation investigating Clinton because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants makes him the best president ever! Arnold doesn't do drugs but he'lll grab some asses and have all sorts of cool one liners to entertain the masses of idiots in this country who want to be entertained more than care about the actual role of the presidency.

Focus more on providing some reasons why candidate X would be a better president. Im not going to vote for someone else because people are telling me Bush sucks. Everyone sucks. I'm motivated to change my opinions by hearing positive things about candidates. Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!

Your leaps of logic are getting more and more scary.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 27, 2004, 5:08 pm

He was referring to his personal motivation there......

I was referring to the fact that his personal motivations are entirely irrelevant when dealing with the issue of campaign tone.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 27, 2004, 5:22 pm

Sueven wrote:
He was referring to his personal motivation there......
I was referring to the fact that his personal motivations are entirely irrelevant when dealing with the issue of campaign tone.

Probably not to him...which was his point....

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 27, 2004, 5:39 pm

By way of analogy:

Let's say I dislike Abercrombie and Fitch clothing. Their sexually provocative advertising does not distract me from their shoddy craftsmanship and exorbitant prices. If I said "sexually provocative advertising does not work," that would be incorrect. Clearly, Abercrombie and Fitch sells assloads of clothing, and thus their sexually provocative advertising does work. If I said "sexually provocative advertising does not work on me," that would be an entirely valid statement.

Similarly, saying "bashing people and smear campaigns don't work" is incorrect. They do work. This has been proven by just about every election that I have ever witnessed in the United States, and I doubt much of anyone will disagree with my observation here. Just as in the Abercrombie example, if the statement was "bashing people and smear campaigns do not convince me to vote for another candidate," that would again be valid.

It could be argued that I should have inferred the latter statement based on it's context. I chose not to grant the benefit of the doubt in this particular circumstance based on Winnow's history of making provocative, controversial statements that he can easily distance himself from, and does not have to back up if questioned. This is such a statement. I tend to respond to such statements because they irritate the shit out of me, and are counterproductive in terms of encouraging intelligent and informed discourse.

Clear enough?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » March 27, 2004, 5:50 pm

I want to have sex with a female version of you, right now.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » March 27, 2004, 6:06 pm

- except I don't care what sex!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 27, 2004, 6:18 pm

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 27, 2004, 6:47 pm

Clear enough?

Yerp you are easily provoked...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 27, 2004, 7:02 pm

Winnow wrote:Bashing people and smear campaigns don't work!

I should have added "to influence my decisions" at the end of that sentence. You are correct in that, in general, smear campaigns can work.

Your Abercrombie and Fitch example relates directly to my comments about Clinton and Arnold. The majority of the people in this country just want to be entertained with a sexual edge whenever possible. If I was Bush's campaign advisor I'd suggest he get a female porn star to run with him as vice president to keep people tuned in.

Clinton won the majority of the female vote not because he's exactly a stud but because he was more "charming" than Bush Sr and certainly Dole. I'm not sure about Gore and his sexiness compared to Bush so a poll might be in order, if he loses to Bush in sexiness, we'll throw the 54/43 female vote victory over Bush in 2000 out as an oddity!

In the 1992 general election, Clinton received 45% of women’s votes while Bush got 37%. Perot polled 18% of female votes. In the 1996 election, Clinton got 54% of the women’s vote, Dole got 38% while Perot polled 8%. Gore, in 2000, received 54% of women's votes and Bush 43%.

Consider a weekly football pool. Have someone who's clueless about football pick who they think will win for a given weekend. They're just as likely to choose the team by how cute the uniforms are or if the name sounds cool as any other rational for choosing the winning team. For the majority of people in the United States that don't follow politics closely, they'll pick the candidate that is most interesting to watch on screen. Granted, some people make their presidential picks simply because their parents were from a certain party but those aren't the voters the campaigns target.

In summary, you did take my bashing comment out of context. That was with regards to me personally. Being a campaign manager would be a fun job. You really don't have to focus on the issues anymore.

"Wll sir, it's been determined that the only way you'll be elected is if you are caught getting a blowjob from an intern in the oval office. We'll lose a few fringe far right undecided voters but will gain the majority of Reality TV viewing audience that will vote you in just to see what happens next. The resulting "Oral Office" jokes can be used to divert attention from an real issues that may lose us votes. Good luck sir! We'll arrange for one that swallows to avoid physical evidence."

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 27, 2004, 7:28 pm

Bush
271 Electoral Votes
30 States
50,456,169 Pop. Votes

Gore
266 Electoral Votes
21 States
50,996,116 Pop. Votes

So Close! Those sneaky Electoral Votes. Keep an eye on Florida this November.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 27, 2004, 7:49 pm

Kerry is apparently kicking bushs ass atm in florida, but a little while ago bush was winning in florida

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 27, 2004, 8:10 pm

Black people are allowed to say nigger, but white people aren't.

Latinos can says spic, but white people cannot.

Democrats can make all the jokes they want about this highly sensitive issue, but Bush cannot.

Hmmmm, which one does not belong with the others? One is backwards. All three favor liberals and the media. Interesting.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 27, 2004, 8:10 pm

Winnow wrote: Clinton won the majority of the female vote not because he's exactly a stud but because he was more "charming" than Bush Sr and certainly Dole. I'm not sure about Gore and his sexiness compared to Bush so a poll might be in order, if he loses to Bush in sexiness, we'll throw the 54/43 female vote victory over Bush in 2000 out as an oddity!

In the 1992 general election, Clinton received 45% of women’s votes while Bush got 37%. Perot polled 18% of female votes. In the 1996 election, Clinton got 54% of the women’s vote, Dole got 38% while Perot polled 8%. Gore, in 2000, received 54% of women's votes and Bush 43%.

You are sooooo off the mark. Clinton got a lot of support because of having a wife who was a strong female role model. Women liked seeing a couple where the wife is just a successful and intelligent as her husband. It was a nice change from the Barbaras and Nancys of the last Republican dynasty who did little more than host fund-raising teas and consult astrologers.

To suggest that women will just vote for the studdliest candidate is fucked up and insulting to women.

Also, and most importantly, your numbers means little if you dont have the male vote percentage to compare them to.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 27, 2004, 8:36 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Black people are allowed to say nigger, but white people aren't.

Latinos can says spic, but white people cannot.

Democrats can make all the jokes they want about this highly sensitive issue, but Bush cannot.

Hmmmm, which one does not belong with the others? One is backwards. All three favor liberals and the media. Interesting.

Once again the evil left-wing Jewish media mongers raise their ugly heads to spit their special brand of venom down upon the righteous conservatives!

I thought you were done here.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 27, 2004, 8:43 pm

This idiocy made me post.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 27, 2004, 8:45 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This idiocy made me post.

Yes, Bush is an idiot.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 27, 2004, 11:58 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Black people are allowed to say nigger, but white people aren't.

Latinos can says spic, but white people cannot.

Democrats can make all the jokes they want about this highly sensitive issue, but Bush cannot.

Hmmmm, which one does not belong with the others? One is backwards. All three favor liberals and the media. Interesting.

This comming from someone who groups black people with criminals and retards

" No, it's about showing a little class and not appearing to be a modern day thug sports character talking in a locker room about how I know people who want me to win, blah blah. It's scumy. But, I am sure it will help them appeal to their target voting group of poor, middle class, black, retards, 14-17 year olds, and prisoners. "

Please, continue to enlighten us with your conservative philosophy of ending racial descrimination

Yet you are too blind to realize the difference between Bush and the "liberals" on comments towards WMD.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 28, 2004, 12:41 am

Xzion wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Black people are allowed to say nigger, but white people aren't.

Latinos can says spic, but white people cannot.

Democrats can make all the jokes they want about this highly sensitive issue, but Bush cannot.

Hmmmm, which one does not belong with the others? One is backwards. All three favor liberals and the media. Interesting.
This comming from someone who groups black people with criminals and retards

" No, it's about showing a little class and not appearing to be a modern day thug sports character talking in a locker room about how I know people who want me to win, blah blah. It's scumy. But, I am sure it will help them appeal to their target voting group of poor, middle class, black, retards, 14-17 year olds, and prisoners. "

Please, continue to enlighten us with your conservative philosophy of ending racial descrimination

Yet you are too blind to realize the difference between Bush and the "liberals" on comments towards WMD.

LOL, wow you are stretching. Yes, I'm sure people think I was saying black people are just liek retards and criminals? If they have brains like you maybe.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » March 28, 2004, 1:23 am

His cavalier attitude towards those he sends to battle should come as no suprise. Has everyone forgotten "Bring it on!" already?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 28, 2004, 2:02 am

Unlike the words that spurred this topic I rather liked his "Bring it On" statement.

It expressed confidence and strenght at a time when the nation was a little bit unsure of itself.

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » March 28, 2004, 2:08 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:Unlike the words that spurred this topic I rather liked his "Bring it On" statement.

It expressed confidence and strenght at a time when the nation was a little bit unsure of itself.

I guess I was somewhere in the middle on the "bring it on" debacle. I thought it was a bit early in the game to be so flippant, but I also thought it was clear that he was attempting to show strength. Much as I didn't agree with him on it, and thought it would both backfire into more casualties and continue to feed this "reckless cowboy" image he has both home and abroad, I didn't see as much wrong with it as this WMD routine. As stupid as "bring it on" was, it was obvious what he was trying to say.

The first was stupid. This one is insulting.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 28, 2004, 2:30 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:Unlike the words that spurred this topic I rather liked his "Bring it On" statement.

It expressed confidence and strenght at a time when the nation was a little bit unsure of itself.

your son is killed by an rpg from ba'ath party loyalist while invading a country under false pretenses and all his boss says in response is "bring it on." yeah, it's really easy to show confidense and strength when its not your ass or anyone even remotely related to you or any of your billionaire friend's on the line. you don't say "bring it on" when people are fucking killing your soldiers. you especially don't do it while sitting on some office chair worth more than your entire house surrounded by 300 secret service agents.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 28, 2004, 2:34 am

kyoukan wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Unlike the words that spurred this topic I rather liked his "Bring it On" statement.

It expressed confidence and strenght at a time when the nation was a little bit unsure of itself.
your son is killed by an rpg from ba'ath party loyalist while invading a country under false pretenses and all his boss says in response is "bring it on." yeah, it's really easy to show confidense and strength when its not your ass or anyone even remotely related to you or any of your billionaire friend's on the line. you don't say "bring it on" when people are fucking killing your soldiers. you especially don't do it while sitting on some office chair worth more than your entire house surrounded by 300 secret service agents.

In your opinion.

Some of us found it refreshing and uplifting.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 28, 2004, 2:39 am

yeah I can see how you could see the point of view of a spineless dickhole.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 28, 2004, 3:21 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Black people are allowed to say nigger, but white people aren't.

Latinos can says spic, but white people cannot.

Democrats can make all the jokes they want about this highly sensitive issue, but Bush cannot.

Hmmmm, which one does not belong with the others? One is backwards. All three favor liberals and the media. Interesting.
This comming from someone who groups black people with criminals and retards

" No, it's about showing a little class and not appearing to be a modern day thug sports character talking in a locker room about how I know people who want me to win, blah blah. It's scumy. But, I am sure it will help them appeal to their target voting group of poor, middle class, black, retards, 14-17 year olds, and prisoners. "

Please, continue to enlighten us with your conservative philosophy of ending racial descrimination

Yet you are too blind to realize the difference between Bush and the "liberals" on comments towards WMD.
LOL, wow you are stretching. Yes, I'm sure people think I was saying black people are just liek retards and criminals? If they have brains like you maybe.

When your speaking negativly about democrats and bring up several clearly negative/mentally immature groups who you classify as steryotipical democrats (prisoners, minors, paupers and blacks) its safe to infer that your putting blacks in a negative light, or am i wrong?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 28, 2004, 3:32 am

You are wrong yes. I was mearly defining who I see is the Dems main categories they try to get votes from.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 28, 2004, 5:10 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:In your opinion.

Some of us found it refreshing and uplifting.

Refreshing? You mean like a 7-Up? A clear, bubbly liquid that feels tingly going down? Hmm, it's Sunday, I may as well get in my daily dosage of you're a fucking idiot.

YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » March 28, 2004, 11:28 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You are wrong yes. I was mearly defining who I see is the Dems main categories they try to get votes from.

Then why did you not bother to add positive steryotypes into the list such as lawyers, celebritys, and musicians? That post brought out your true inner self and its gonna be hard to redeem that.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » March 28, 2004, 12:42 pm

I see the Thought-Police Nazis are out in full force. Kooky looks cute with that little moustache on her lip. And the jack boots are a nice touch...

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 28, 2004, 2:45 pm

Metanis wrote:I see the Thought-Police Nazis are out in full force. Kooky looks cute with that little moustache on her lip. And the jack boots are a nice touch...

Indeed they are.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 28, 2004, 3:43 pm

Kyo, while I agree the WMD was a big reason for the war. Those soldiers that died there also provided Iraqis with a chance at democracy.

WMD or not, that was a noble sacrifice.

Besides we were in part responsible for Saddam being in power. It was a responsible thing to slay the dragon we helped create.