Booooturzi

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 9, 2004, 10:42 am

Tood Bertuzzi did the cheapest thing I ever saw in hockey. I used to love him because he's from my home town, but after last night, I rank him among my hated players list.

Moore did not deserve that, he had a clean hit on Naslund. Hope he gets suspended for the season.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » March 9, 2004, 4:24 pm

I don't! he is on my fantasy team!

What did he do, anyways?

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » March 9, 2004, 4:37 pm

I'm not a Canuck fan, but I think the Moore hit on Naslund was a cheapshot. Did it deserve that response? I don't know. To be honest, seeing the replays, I don't think its as bad as a lot of media are playing it up to be. Bertuzzi will get 15-20 games counting playoffs, for a shot that Moore knew was coming (the other hand was on his shoulder and you could see him cringe), and Bertuzzi falling on him. This wasn't McSorely on Brashear, or Hunter on Turgeon.

The NHL needs to address this whole issue in mandating those striped pylons to call fucking penalties. Star players are being left unprotected to whatever a_roster_spot_filler25 wants to dish out at them and the result is the more physical players (like Bertuzzi) are left to mete out the "justice" that the league won't. From the obstruction fouls that they ignore, on down. If a team can't play within the rules then penalize them: fuck this horseshit about "disrupting the flow". If that means Colorado, Detroit, Ottawa and other teams that value talent over restriction, have 20 powerplays a night until people clue in, then so be it.

Gildan · Post by **Gildan** » March 9, 2004, 4:44 pm

Kluden wrote:I don't! he is on my fantasy team!

What did he do, anyways?

He fractured Moore's neck...

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,141 ... 18,00.html

miir · Post by **miir** » March 9, 2004, 4:58 pm

Moore did not deserve that, he had a clean hit on Naslund.

A clean hit, my ass.
It was a cheap-shot elbow to the face that knocked Naslund out for 3 games.

I'm not saying Moore deserved it, and Burtuzzi is a fucking idiot for pulling such a moronic move. Shit like that has no place in the NHL.

Post by **Xouqoa** » March 9, 2004, 4:58 pm

Ouch, brutal. Was that retaliation for the Naslund hit from a few weeks (or whatever) ago by Moore? Bertuzzi is a big, scary guy.

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » March 9, 2004, 5:02 pm

Very crazy game.

Can't say that he got what he deserved, but he had to know someone was going to get payback on him.

Gildan · Post by **Gildan** » March 9, 2004, 5:07 pm

The hit on Näslund wasn't a clean one, but nothing out of the ordinary really, a player overstrecthing for the puck getting hit. This happens in icehockey, but what Bertuzzi did shouldn't ever happen. Personally I would like to see a lifetime ban on plays like that.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 9, 2004, 5:37 pm

Wulfran wrote: for a shot that Moore knew was coming (the other hand was on his shoulder and you could see him cringe), and Bertuzzi falling on him.

WTF? He didnt see it coming. He was skating away then BAM, a sucker punch to the head (wich probably knocked him out) then was pushed face first into the ice. Moore had a clean shot, no elbow but all shoulder, on Naslund. The reason everyone got pissed off about it was because it was a star player, who had his head down cutting accross center ice. (Players are told not to do this) Very stupid move.

He already faced what happened 3 weeks ago by fighting Cooke ( I think it was him). and being taunted by the entire Canuck roster. As far as the Avs were concerned, justice was paid back.

What really gets me is Crawford laughing about the whole thing during game time. And what pissed me off even more is Hedberg coming out of the net and taunting Aebischer to come out and fight.

Dups. · Post by **Dups.** » March 9, 2004, 7:47 pm

I believe the hit on Naslund was a regular hit as well. He was reaching for the puck with his head down at center ice. This will result in looking like a total elbowing hit because his head is just that , at elbow level!

The reason it was a LIKE OMFG!!! hit was because Naslund was the team superstar.

If Tie domi would have been the one that got hit exactly like Naslund was hit. People would simply be saying 'Good , Domi deserves that. Good hit "insert hitter here".

If they got rid of the stupid fucking instigater rule, shit like this would not fucking happen. It would of been .. Naslund gets smoked, toughest guy on the ice drops his gloves, goes after Moore saying ok mofo it's go time, they go at it and voila. The other team got their message across that if you go after our finess/star players you are going to pay the price. Without anyone being paralized. Premeditated shit is what's wrong.

Waran · Post by **Waran** » March 9, 2004, 8:13 pm

How many players is it going to take that get taken out of the season by this goon for the league to come down hard on his ass? Let alone the Vancouver police.

Moore was unconcious before he even fell down on the ice after the punch, then the mofo Bertuzzi jumped on his back as he was bleeding. Yeah, that's retaliation. It's down right disgusting.

Bottom line, Bertuzzi should be given the McSorley suspension of a year or more to think about it. Things like this don't belong in the NHL, someone needs to beat that into Bertuzzi's head.

Waran · Post by **Waran** » March 9, 2004, 8:15 pm

For those who don't bother to check out the link from Gildan, exhibit A

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 9, 2004, 9:20 pm

I don't watch much hockey but enough to know what is "normal" and "not normal". The hit on Naslund seemed to be a hard one but not that out of the ordinary. The hit on Moore was nothing short of an assault though, and things like that disgust me. It has nothing to do with sports whatsoever, even some fight sports would have frowned upon that.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » March 9, 2004, 11:54 pm

Pull him for a half a season min. That was a fucked up blindsided mauling. And those forty games should INCLUDE any playoff games played, none of this regular season shit, hit that fucker where it counts.

He's going to be sued no doubt, as well he should be; fucking mental midgets w/ oversized bodies

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 10, 2004, 4:24 am

In the case of a malicious attack, I think a player should have to sit out until the victim is playing. Obviously the Union could appeal if an attack is malicious or not. This would hopefully cut back on some of the worst case incidents.
I think it is sad that Bertuzzi (or however it is spelled) could get as few as 20 games and Moore might be paralyzed. If he had gone out dropped gloves and beat his ass that is one thing, but that was chickenshit.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 10, 2004, 12:17 pm

if they didnt have the instigator rule, the hit on naslund would have been settled in the game it happened. instead it festers for weeks, and this is the result.

i dont think it was the "worst hit ever" and other bullshit that is flying around sports talk.

people are judging the "cheapness" based on the severity of the injury.

if he didnt get hurt, it would have just been a kick ass fight, and everybody knows it.

i do think it was a cheap shot, but it was a cheap shot in retaliation for a cheap shot. so...

Trek · Post by **Trek** » March 10, 2004, 2:14 pm

I didnt watch the game, but it looked to me like Todd was trying to start a fight with Moore who kept skating away, so you get a punch to the back of the head. This was an important game with the Canucks loosing it 9-2 tempers got the best of them. I dont think Todd tried to hurt him that bad intentionally, but should get a suspension none the less. As much as this kind of thing sucks, this is hockey and with the exception of the instigator rule I enjoy it when they get into it.

Also, remember how much fun the old Avs/Wings rivalry was? As much as what happened to Draper sucked, I didnt miss a game between those 2 clubs for a long time and I don't like either team.

Go Kings!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » March 10, 2004, 6:36 pm

I think most of the injury was from when he hit the ice. He went limp and landed face first on the ice, Bertuzzi landed on top of him, but he didn't like slam him down either.

It was definately retalliation for the Naslund hit. I don't think Bertuzzi intended to KO the guy like he did, and I agree about the instigator rule.

As the large enforcer, defender. When some guy just demolishes your smaller wing or center, it's your job to make sure they don't do it again. That's hockey.

When I first got into hockey, I watched Hatcher defend Modano all the time. It happens all over the place. And so I don't fault Bertuzzi, but I am also assuming he didn't intend to hurt him the way he did, and was just looking to beat his ass in a fight.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 11, 2004, 11:05 am

Remainder of season and playoffs it is.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » March 11, 2004, 11:18 am

Well, I've watched hockey for as long as I've liked sports, and I've seen this very same thing happen since I started paying attention. The only difference is, this time, the guys neck got broken. If you take that out of the equation, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

I'm not condoning what happened, but, it is Hockey, and it is one violent sport...so, you do the math.

It is obvious that all he did was punch the man...not take a fucken stick to him, not rip his skate off and try to slice the man, he went fists first. In my mind, that is how hockey redemption works.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » March 11, 2004, 11:43 am

The failure of the NFL to have an officiating squad that knows how to call penalties is not only causing injuries, it also makes the game dull. NJ's style of play is a direct result of the refusal to call interference. It's boring and it's not hockey. The NHL is talking about all sorts of remedies, such as bigger rinks and of course the 4 on 4 overtime we have now. If the ref's would just start calling fouls the way the rules say they should, we would not only have fewer injuries like this, we'd also have a much better game.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » March 11, 2004, 11:22 pm

This thread is utter bullshit. Anyone saying that what Bertuzzi did is part of hockey is missing a few screws. Fighting is part of hockey. Defending one of your team's skilled players is part of hockey. Violently attacking someone from behind (which is EXACTLY what Bert did) is NOT a part of hockey.

Bert had been saying for weeks that he was going to "get" Moore. At the game, he harassed Moore and was trying to get him to fight. When Moore tried walking away, he chases him, knocks him out with a punch to the head from behind, pushes him down to the ice and breaks his neck (that part I think was probably unintentional), then proceeds to punch Moore while he's lying unconscious in a pool of his own blood. How in good god's name can anyone say "that's part of hockey". What fucking brand of hockey are you watching?

I'm in agreement with what the NHL decided was just as punishment (missing the rest of the season, at least 17 games - what is left in the regular season and the playoffs). Personally, I'm hoping that animal serves some jail time to teach him a lesson or two and that the suspension continues on through next year (or for as long as Moore is out). I also agree with having the Nucks orginization pay a $250,000 fine. Both teams had been forewarned by the NHL that there was to be no tomfoolery in the game (which is why I think Moore didn't just fight Bertuzzi) and the Canucks orginization decided to not drive that point home.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » March 12, 2004, 4:36 am

laneela wrote:
Bert had been saying for weeks that he was going to "get" Moore. At the game, he harassed Moore and was trying to get him to fight. When Moore tried walking away, he chases him, knocks him out with a punch to the head from behind,

Tell me why in a 9-2 blowout do they send Moore out there in this case? You are trying to get Bert suspended as you know he is going to go after Moore and you would like to try to get Bert thrown out for a few games to keep your lead, He should have been kept on the bench.
As you say Bert follows him around TRYING to get him to fight, he wont. If Bert was trying to actually maime the guy he would have thrown off his gloves and clocked him that way, in no way did he expect to knock him out while wearing the gloves. As for pushing him into the ice, it looks to me that the combination of having to chase Moore down, having his hand holding him while Moore crumples to the ice helps bring him on top of Moore. Right after another Av's player jumps on top of Bert (as he should have) who is on top of Moore, also most likely adds to the injury. If there is no injury I doubt much of anything would have happened to Bert.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 12, 2004, 9:12 am

Everyone keeps saying that if Moore didnt have a broken neck, this wouldnt happen. Well guess what? There was an injury.

As for benching Moore, Granato thought the whole rivalry thing was over, as did I (I watched the game). I thought that once Cooke and Moore fought, this whole thing came to an end. What got Bertuzzi all mad was that Moore won the fight and they were losing 9-2.

I do feel bad for Bertuzzi, his apology seemed real. As for his suspension, it was just. There is no greater punishment for a hockey player than to take him out of the playoffs (except for being banned from hockey).

Dups. · Post by **Dups.** » March 12, 2004, 5:41 pm

In soccer mom voice " I think he should go to jail. and that the NHL should ban anyone that throws a punch at another player.

Also, hitting should be taken out. It can hurt people! They should use nerf balls that do not freeze because pucks injure people on and off the ice. I do not care about the netting because it is not all around the rink so people can still get hit.

Sticks are too rough as well, they should be that crappy plastic hockey stick that bends too much so you can't even take a shot. That way the nerfball won't injure anyone."

Bertuzzi is just a very fucking unlucky guy that ended up breaking the guy's neck. Which we are uncertain of when it actually got broken. Original punch, falling to the ice, avalanche player jumping on Bertuzzi.

People are so worked up to making Bertuzzi look like a bad influence to fucking Satan. He is a dick for what he did. But he is not a fucking monster. It was a god damn sucker punch. Big deal.

I'll point out a dozen more sucker punches thrown from now until the playoffs. Keep an eye on players when they tap the goal that is trying to freeze the puck. Let me know if you see any other sucker punches.

Runcade · Post by **Runcade** » March 12, 2004, 6:08 pm

http://www.backbertuzzi.com they are saying the whole pushing him to the ice was an accident and he tripped on a stick.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » March 12, 2004, 9:16 pm

The tripping over the stick is BS. I don't believe he intentionally drove his head into the ice (to me it looked like he was trying to keep swinging and they both went down, with Bertuzzi on top). The suspension? As expected if a little harsher than I had hoped.

The troubling part, as I read some of Colin Campbell's comments and saw him speak on TV, is that the league is content to publically focus all the blame on Bertuzzi and the Vancouver Canucks (who got a $250K fine), while not mentioning any sort of change in the non-existant officiating stance that led up to this incident.

Oh well. Detroit and Colorado have an easier road through the playoffs, which can't be a bad thing to the NHL's brass either.