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I don't suppose anyone's able to verify the cred of this :P No running to Canada either, apparently.

Note that this is not a "new" article, and may be a load of "hooey". Also, note the overuse of "quotation marks".

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news ... 105146.php
US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005
by Adam Stutz • Wednesday January 28, 2004 at 09:50 AM


The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!

Reinstatement of the draft

Dear Friends and Family,

I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the federal government to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism."

Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The Draft*

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le5146.htm

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
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Seems old (keeps citing 2003 as "this year") and unsubstantiated. I'd need more info before I'd get my feathers in a ruffle over this.
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Doesn't sound real to me, but then again neither does a President proposing to write discrimination into the US Constitution. What a fucked up day.
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I remember hearing something about this awhile back, and the general consensus was it was one politician with a wacky idea that would never get off the ground. And I don't think it did.
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look at the way that the US has had to use the National Guard in the last 10 years. it was hardly the original intent of the NG to be deployed as an occupying force in foreign lands during wartime, correct?

i think a lot of people in the military are highly opposed to the idea of a draft, because they want the military to be a professional military. But it may be tactically necessary to be deployed in 2 or 3 substantial encounters at once, and for this we simply need more bodies.
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Voronwë wrote:look at the way that the US has had to use the National Guard in the last 10 years. it was hardly the original intent of the NG to be deployed as an occupying force in foreign lands during wartime, correct?

i think a lot of people in the military are highly opposed to the idea of a draft, because they want the military to be a professional military. But it may be tactically necessary to be deployed in 2 or 3 substantial encounters at once, and for this we simply need more bodies.
But they are guarding the nation against the hypothetical attack from hypothetical WMDs!!!
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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... is.txt.pdf

Dunno if that link will work or not. The bill is real, but it was from January 2003, so I don't think it passed.
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Dregor Thule wrote:
Voronwë wrote:look at the way that the US has had to use the National Guard in the last 10 years. it was hardly the original intent of the NG to be deployed as an occupying force in foreign lands during wartime, correct?

i think a lot of people in the military are highly opposed to the idea of a draft, because they want the military to be a professional military. But it may be tactically necessary to be deployed in 2 or 3 substantial encounters at once, and for this we simply need more bodies.
But they are guarding the nation against the hypothetical attack from hypothetical WMDs!!!
We did find WMDs!

These my friends are M60's found in Iraq. They are only one step behind the US's maximum power M80's in power and can do serious damage if held with a closed hand and detonated!

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haha winnow you're so funny

whatever

also: indymedia is kind of lolriffic in that its like newsmax or opinionjournal for lefties. they'll basically lie out their ass to make bush look even worse than what he manages to do on his own.

I don't doubt the pentagon is tossing around the idea of reinstating the draft. the defense department has all this cash now from the new budget and the ruminator is always looking for new countries to kill, and enlistment is at an all time low now that people know how teh GOP "supports our troops" (cutting medical and pension benefits for veterans and throwing them willy nilly at hostile combatants armed with rpg's while the president leans back in his $15,000 office chair and proclaims "bring it on"). It most definitely won't be until after the election though.
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Post by Boogahz »

Hell, the largest draft ever was for a war that never happened...or I guess it did in a way without open warfare. This was for the Cold War.
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If I remeber right, it was members of congress that proposed these bills. Not the pentagon or president. THey were proposed in order to force the president to think about what he was doing more when he was sending people off to war. Obviously it did no good and I really wouldn't be surprised to see the draft reinstated after the election. We are getting stretched pretty thin. Last count I saw was that we had troops in 140 different countries.
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thats why we go .. fuck it and pull them all home and protect ourselves
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our economy is geared primarily to produce goods and services for the rest of the planet to consume. For this to work, some degree of political stability is required in remote regions in order to ensure economic stability in the markets such that persons in those places can "Buy American".

our government didnt choose these deployments because they ran counter to our nation's interests.
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Voronwë wrote:our economy is geared primarily to produce goods and services for the rest of the planet to consume. For this to work, some degree of political stability is required in remote regions in order to ensure economic stability in the markets such that persons in those places can "Buy American".

our government didnt choose these deployments because they ran counter to our nation's interests.
Isn't it ironic that most things you buy in America aren't American made tho? :)
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Dregor Thule wrote:
Voronwë wrote:our economy is geared primarily to produce goods and services for the rest of the planet to consume. For this to work, some degree of political stability is required in remote regions in order to ensure economic stability in the markets such that persons in those places can "Buy American".

our government didnt choose these deployments because they ran counter to our nation's interests.
Isn't it ironic that most things you buy in America aren't American made tho? :)
Yeah, I always wondered, if you go to China or Taiwan or something, does it say Made in America on the bottom of stuff?
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