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The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings

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The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings !

By Lloyd Hart

I don't imagine that it was the intention of the director or the producers of the Lord of the Rings films to paint a racist stereotypical tapestry over what could be described as a basic set of principles of humanity's behavior in the natural environment and with each other. However, the fact is that the only people of skin color in the entire three part series of films are all associated with the Dark Lord Sauron, the destruction of the earth and all of its occupants. Not to mention the elephant riding mercenaries that resemble the cultures of the Arab world as well as Africa, Persia and East Asia and the fact that the Monarch of the land of Rohan, King Théoden a white guy yelled out "You great warriors of the West" in the final part of his speech to rouse the troops into battle in the third film.

In these times when a homicidal maniac from Texas (the Texas capital punishment policy under Bush) has stolen the American throne and called for a "crusade" against the "evil doers" in nations that white people have been invading, terrorizing, raping and pillaging in for 5000 years with zero provocation, I think we could manage some cultural sensitivity in our popular culture which one must acknowledge has a powerful propaganda affect on the general population that participates in it.

Can you imagine how people of skin color, of Persian, Arab and East Asian ethnic background feel when they come out of these films where all the heroes are white and all the "evil doers" are of dark skin. Being married to an Asian American I watch people disregard my wife everyday while regarding me, simply because of her skin color. Being part of a European family that has lived on the North American continent for 400 years I've been lucky enough to gain perspective that when you create an evil character (Uruk-hai) that resembles native Americans as they have done in the Lord of the Rings films a great deal of cultural and racial alienation will occur.

I am sure that once the filmmakers read this article there will be claims that they had to stay true to the story that J. R. R. Tolkien wrote, but the fact is, African and Asian cultures have always been a part of the European fabric whose ancient legends and fairy tales gave birth to J. R. R. Tolkien's epic portrayal of the battle between good and evil. And what about the Ancient Picts, a tattooed darker skinned cultured that once dominant in the UK. As someone who has grown up in one of the nation's of the Commonwealth of the British Empire, I know for a fact that J. R. R. Tolkien's generation were deeply influenced and thus deeply moved by all those people of skin color that fought alongside white members of the British forces in World War One and World War Two forming lifelong friendships and deep emotional ties.

In fact all Europe's mathematics, reading and writing and technological advancements in transportation and warfare are all based on African and Asian concepts. The reason that Western medicine has not advanced to the enlightened technological level as Chinese herbal medicine and why most Western technology is diametrically opposed to all life on this planet, poisoning our air and water and causing widespread disease and death is for the simple fact that the Freemasons and the Church have not yet let go of the death grip they have on each other's throats. In other words, the enlightened knowledge that the church has attempted to destroy that the Freemasons attempted to save and capitalize on with Western patents has turned into a death struggle that has created destructive technological paradigms here in the West that are now being forced on the populations of the entire earth destabilizing life and bringing with them the pollution of the air and water that once existed only in Christendom.

Of course there are redeeming images and ideas portrayed in the films such as the Ents protecting the forests by destroying the industrial military complex as well as the fact that white people can be turned to evil to join forces with all the evil dark skinned man flesh eating Orcs and Uruk-hai.

It is important to understand that young people are impressionable and influenced by the symbols foisted on them by the popular culture. It would not have been that difficult to make a contemporary version of the Lord of the Rings that included the heroic symbols of people of skin color. I think J.R.R. Tolkien wouldn't have minded including people of skin color as heros in these films if he were alive today. Especially after witnessing the rise of the civil rights movements in both the U.S. and the U.K.. I'm so glad that the Dwarfs, Elves and Hobits finally got their due but unfortunately this was washed away by the lack of heroic images of people of skin color. After watching the Lord of the Rings films I thank the universe and Mother Earth for the Rap/hip-hop culture and the counterbalancing influence the Rap/hip-hop culture has on the youth here in America and around the world.
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Why? It's obviously meant as a joke, no one could be that stupid.
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Talk about your well written pieces of shit
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From what I gather, this man is an idiot.

However, I do find a correlation between Lord of the Rings and World War 2... Forgive me if I am incorrect in any of these historical references or if its already known about Tolkien and WW2....

You have Sauron, the dark lord of a country to the east (Hitler of Germany).

There are many references to a war in earlier times where Mordor was defeated (WW1) which sent Mordor into seclusion for many years while it rebuilded.

You have Saruman, who could represent Italy, formerly on the side of the allies in World War 1, sides with Germany in WW2, is defeated earlier than Hitler.

I think Theoden of Rohan, he could represent Stalin of sorts, a poorer, less technological people, made mostly of farmers with a great fortress where many men died defending from the hoards of the Axis (Stalingrad). After overcoming at Helms Deep, they still had a resentment of Gondor (England) from previous times but rallied to attack Mordor's armies anyway.

Then you have Gondor, which represents England, under siege from Nazi / Nazgul bombers but still valiantly defending.

Osgiliath represents France, overrun very early by the forces of Mordor, its situated very closely to mordor itself.

I'm not sure about where America is put into this... but for the most part all the other pieces fit.

It could just be an abstract thought that kinda flows with the story but I think I heard somewhere that Tolkien's books were losely based off of WW2.
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I believe that this topic has been covered by the Lord of the Rings SPOILER thread in the Movies forum. This is just a more well spoken literate individual presenting the same angle.

Should we label Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (for example) as being racist for the lack of caucasian, black, arabic, etc people while we are at it?
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Rivera Bladestrike wrote:From what I gather, this man is an idiot.

However, I do find a correlation between Lord of the Rings and World War 2... Forgive me if I am incorrect in any of these historical references or if its already known about Tolkien and WW2....

You have Sauron, the dark lord of a country to the east (Hitler of Germany).

There are many references to a war in earlier times where Mordor was defeated (WW1) which sent Mordor into seclusion for many years while it rebuilded.

You have Saruman, who could represent Italy, formerly on the side of the allies in World War 1, sides with Germany in WW2, is defeated earlier than Hitler.

I think Theoden of Rohan, he could represent Stalin of sorts, a poorer, less technological people, made mostly of farmers with a great fortress where many men died defending from the hoards of the Axis (Stalingrad). After overcoming at Helms Deep, they still had a resentment of Gondor (England) from previous times but rallied to attack Mordor's armies anyway.

Then you have Gondor, which represents England, under siege from Nazi / Nazgul bombers but still valiantly defending.

Osgiliath represents France, overrun very early by the forces of Mordor, its situated very closely to mordor itself.

I'm not sure about where America is put into this... but for the most part all the other pieces fit.

It could just be an abstract thought that kinda flows with the story but I think I heard somewhere that Tolkien's books were losely based off of WW2.
The Lord of the Ring is NOT an allegory on the World War


Tolkien HATED allegory. I believe that he thought it was the one of the most overused and overrated tools for storytelling.

*edit* My god, what a seriously stupid mistake! Thank you Seuven. I should have proof read that, but my boss came in and actually wanted me to talk and think about work for a few minutes on New Year's Eve (teh bastard!).
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I haven't even notices skin colors in those movies, but I'm white so what do I know?
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While we're on the subject, I want to complain about the racial tapestrying of Malcom X.
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The sad thing is that someone, somewhere will read this 'article' and agree.
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Since all WASP Americans are like this....
Yakavetta: I'm having a shitty day. I'm depressed. Tell me a funny joke.
Rocco: Uh, OK. There's these three guys walking on the beach, a spic, a white guy, and a black guy.
Yakavetta: Nigger!
Rocco: Yeah, right. So they find this pot, rub it, and a genie comes out. The genie says you can wish for whatever you want. So he asks the Mexican what he wants, and he says "I want all my people in America to be happy and free, and in Mexico." So the genie goes poof! It's done. Then he says to the black guy --
Vincenzo Lipazzi: Nigger.
Rocco: Yeah, right, he says to the nigger "What do you want?" And the nigger says "I want all my nigger brothers to be back in Africa, and happy and free and everything." So the genie goes poof! And they're all back in Africa. So... I'm not funny today, really, this joke sucks, I know...
Yakavetta: Continue the joke.
Rocco: Uh, so he says to the white guy, "What's your one wish?" And the white guy says, "Wait, you mean to tell me that all the spics and niggers are out of America?" The genie goes yeah, and the white guy says, uh, "I'll have a Coke, then."
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Neither Malcolm X nor Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon are meant to be an accurate cross section of an entire planet. Are you people really this ignorant or is this an entire forum an elaborate plot to piss me off on a near daily basis?
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So are you defending this stupid article or just nitpicking peoples idiotic analogies? Either way, I can't decide which is more annoying coming from you so just fuck off in either case.
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I never considered it to be a racial thing with the light and dark. Those have been the sterotypical dipictions of Good and Evil throughout history. Why should it be such a problem to look at it in that regard. Is it irresponsible of producers and directors not to look at their film and wonder if it is going to offend someone? Like they say, you can't please everyone. The more people look for prejudice the longer it is going to be around.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:So are you defending this stupid article or just nitpicking peoples idiotic analogies? Either way, I can't decide which is more annoying coming from you so just fuck off in either case.
ahh yes krimson posts and I am once again reassured that people really are this fucking stupid.

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kyoukan wrote:Neither Malcolm X nor Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon are meant to be an accurate cross section of an entire planet. Are you people really this ignorant or is this an entire forum an elaborate plot to piss me off on a near daily basis?
LoTR is set on one continent, of an entirely different planet.

There were *many* races represented in the books/movies; humans, elves, orcs, hobits, etc =p I don't believe there was too much discussion in the books about humans skin colour, and as for the movies, when you're trying to find 10,000 extras in New Zealand, they're going to be wasps. Yes, there are maoris, but not nearly enough that they aren't going to look like that one black sperm in Woody Allen's "Everything you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask".

I'll say it again, The Cosby Show, has far more racist overtones than LoTR if only because it IS based on earth, in a country that is predominantly white, and only has one white person on the show that I can recall in an 8 year run. A tubby, mute retarded child that was Rudy's pet. I love the Cosby Show, btw.

BTW, I can only assume you mean to imply that LoTR is meant to be "an accurate cross-section" (I leave out the planet crap). What makes you think so, it's not a documentary, it's not even a "historical drama", it's a god damn fantasy epic.
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Racist overtones? Are you on crack? The Cosby show did one thing and one thing well...it gave lots of black youths out there a black role model. It let lots of black teenagers see that there are black success stories. A black doctor and a black lawyer. Before this show, if there were any black sitcoms, they were junkyard men, or living in the ghetto. Get the hell out of here with that bullcrap, Cosbies being racist, kiss my ass I have seen it all now.

-edit-It was meant to uplift black youth, not put down white people, and I think it succeeded. If you got offended by watching the Cosby show, then that says something about you. Really it does.
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Christ in a hand cart, as I said, I love the Cosby Show. It showed *much* better morals than all the Wasp based family sitcoms for a start.

The question is, does the mere absence of a culture in a movie/show/etc make it racist; no, no it doesn't.

Now, get the fuck off your high horse and start reading for context, jackass.
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If by high horse you mean the real world, then ok, and if by jackass you mean I am the bomb, then I agree.

You said the Cosby show had racial overtones, not me, asshole.
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*yawn* It's sad, I've spent 10 mins of my life once again trying to explain an argument to you. I could probably walk into a sheltered workshop and randomly select someone with a higher IQ to chat with, happy holidays.
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Like I said, you said it, not me. Go fling your shit somewhere else in hopes that no one calls you on it you faggot.
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adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
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Archeiron: Do you mean allegory? I'm not trying to nitpick, just trying to understand what you're saying. The use of the word "alliteration" makes no sense in that context.

Also, how do the Uruk-Hai bear any relation whatsoever to Native Americans? Last time I checked, Native Americans were not formed from torturing and mutilating elves, nor were they birthed from growing chambers or whatever the fuck those things are called. Further, I don't remember anything in my history classes about Native Americans riding enormous wolflike creatures.

I seriously don't see any resemblance to Native American culture whatsoever in the Uruk-Hai.

His points linking the evil men to arabs at least make sense. They're completely immaterial and worthless, but at least they make sense. (EDIT: although if my history serves me correctly, the Carthaganians used elephants, not the arabs. Ignoring this fact makes the author seem as ignorant as the people he's ranting at.)This Native American thing has really got me puzzled.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:Like I said, you said it, not me. Go fling your shit somewhere else in hopes that no one calls you on it you faggot.
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kyoukan wrote:adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
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This really IS a piece of shit article just from the historical references that the author *tried* to put in...

There were what, 2 "crusades?" Also, who ordered them? The Church unless I understand it wrong which can be possible.

The Asians and Africans weren't the one's fostering the learning in Europe, it was the Arabs...oh wait, they are in between both areas and must be both Asian AND African. OH, they WERE both. Middle-Easterners must not exist as they are just in the middle of the east. duh, I feel stoopid.

I am also trying to figure out how the "white people" have been raping and pillaging whatever nations that this person is referring to. Weren't the primary civilizations IN the area he was referring to the most dominant? Also, when he refers to 5,000 years...please. I almost wish I could look him in the eye and give him a big Simpson's "haw haw" (no I don't watch it enough to know the name of the kid that does it).

He refers to the Persians...weren't they the one's to ransack most of Eastern Europe including Greece? Oh wait, they weren't in the movie, so they were really supposed to have been good guys.

East Asians...hmm, brings the "Mongol Hordes" to mind. Remember why the Great Wall of China was supposedly built?

I am also wondering how in the hell this person can TRULY trace his FULL family lineage back from Europe to North America for 400 years (1603?).



Anyhow, please feel free to go about with your flaming. Didn't have a chance to read this thread until tonight. :)
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Zaelath wrote:
kyoukan wrote:adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
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Ye Gods, LOTR is MOVIE based on a 60 year old FICTIONAL novel set in an ALTERNATE REALITY/DIFFERENT UNIVERSE. Anyone wanting to make racial arguments based on this would most likely think that Elepants with really big ears can fly, and that a talking frog named kermit has managed to star in several movies.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
kyoukan wrote:adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
If it's such an obvious backpedal, then why have I said the exact same thing on the other post in the movie forum where this bullshit came up? And you couldn't hurt my feelings with your pointless slurs, which are no more baseless or pointless than racial slurs btw, junglebunny.
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Zaelath wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
kyoukan wrote:adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
If it's such an obvious backpedal, then why have I said the exact same thing on the other post in the movie forum where this bullshit came up? And you couldn't hurt my feelings with your pointless slurs, which are no more baseless or pointless than racial slurs btw, junglebunny.
I am only quoting what you say in this thread, I am not hunting all over the forums for your stupid ass posts, hillbilly trailer trash. you posted some stupid shit here and you get called on it. If you don't like it, stay in the movies forums asshole.
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Personally I didn't care whether they included people of color in the trilogy, I say this as a dark skin hispanic. It's fantasy and has more religious overtones than racial anyways.

Now to clear up some of the history being thrown around on this thread.

There were three Crusades, lead by different nobles of Europe. The first was suggested by Pope Urban II mostly so that the nobles wouldn't fight amongst themselves.

The people that preserved the knowledge that allowed the Renaissance to happen were Muslims, both Arab and North African (Moors). Up until the 1500s there was still a large community of Moors in southern Spain with a great deal of knowledge stored in the libraries of Al-Andalus.
East Asians...hmm, brings the "Mongol Hordes" to mind. Remember why the Great Wall of China was supposedly built?
I didn't see any dark skin men on ponies so not sure how the Mongols worked there way into this. You might find it interesting that much of the U.S. military structure is heavily based on the Mongols. It really is too bad that the general populace doesn't know more about the Mongols, they had a modern army (minus the weapons) when Europeans were riding around horses in full plate armor playing at being soldiers. At its height the Mongol empire ranged from Russia in the north, Hungary in the West, China in the East and Persia (modern day Iraq-Iran) and India in the South.
His points linking the evil men to arabs at least make sense. They're completely immaterial and worthless, but at least they make sense. (EDIT: although if my history serves me correctly, the Carthaganians used elephants, not the arabs. Ignoring this fact makes the author seem as ignorant as the people he's ranting at.)This Native American thing has really got me puzzled.
Actually the elephant riding people in the movie resemble people from India more than Arabs or North Africans (Carthaginians). Actually the only Carthaginian to use elephants was Hannibal during his invasion of Italy and those were mercenaries. It would also follow since the British had a lot of contact with them. The soldiers wearing armor in the Two Towers resemble Arabs more than the men on elephants.

Anways just bored so wrote out this little post. I'll stop now :D.
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Yeah Crav, I knew that it was the Muslims and the Moors that helped the most, and I was just addressing the original article. That was the same thing with the Mongols. The author of the article seemed to think that there were no bad people throughout history that were of Persian, Arab, or East Asian descent.

Personally, if I had to pick one time period in which to live, it would be while the Muslims and Arabs "ruled" most of southern Europe.
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The books was never meant to be symbolic to the world wars, Tolkien meant to set up a world that happend far far in the past, and thats now our current world.. Mr Tolkien himself even commented on this in the Letters of JRR Tolkien several times.
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Yeah Crav, I knew that it was the Muslims and the Moors that helped the most
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Hrrrrmmm...and there is definitely a lack of caucasian representation in traditional african artforms...and in precolumbian american artwork...and caucasians are represented disproportionately as evil in post columbian artwork...clearly Beowulf lacks Asian representation and no africans are represented in the Tibetian Book of the Dead...

If we're gonna revise lets do it uniformly mmkay?

Maybe art is based on what the artist is familiar with...? Maybe it should be...:)...

Perhaps those who attack the representativeness of a work should read it and understand what the fuck it is supposed to be representative of?

The world is not homogenous...why is it that it should ever be represented thus?
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For all of you disregarding the racial issues in LOTR, what would you say IF the film was created with some black/hispanic/asain/arab/native american extras and for arguments sake say...bormir/farmir/and there father were hispanic actors, or Aragon was Asian and Gimli was arab?
would you use the same argument and say thats not an accurate representation of european culture? or not give a shit and look at the film for what it was?

and for the record most of my family is originally from Galicia in Northern Spain, giving me pretty much a Celtic, Caucasian backround...besides being 1/8th Cuban and 1/8th brit...so i personally dont feel that "my race" was misrepresented, im just speaking on a general basis
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Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
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kyoukan wrote:adam sandler played theo's friend in a whole shitload of episodes of the cosby show.

only people over-concerned with race and propagating the racial lines in america would call the cosby show a black sitcom anyway.
Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
If it's such an obvious backpedal, then why have I said the exact same thing on the other post in the movie forum where this bullshit came up? And you couldn't hurt my feelings with your pointless slurs, which are no more baseless or pointless than racial slurs btw, junglebunny.
I am only quoting what you say in this thread, I am not hunting all over the forums for your stupid ass posts, hillbilly trailer trash. you posted some stupid shit here and you get called on it. If you don't like it, stay in the movies forums asshole.
You chose to read it as stupid, you can't read in context, you sir have to comprehension of a 5th grade thug that sits in the back of the class. You also have their vocabulary; asshole, faggot, asshole. Try not to knock the head off while you celebrate your mastery of the messageboard.
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Nice thread :)

The original article doesn't appear to be a joke. Tracing from the web link provided http://paris.indymedia.org/article.php3 ... icle=13086

A link on the bottom of that page leads to http://dadapop.com/

... a web site that several here will surely love! Power to the People!

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The original article doesn't appear to be a joke.
Intentional or not, it is a joke.
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Kinda reminds me of the petition to have the title of The Two Towers changed because it was a jab at the 9/11 attacks and destruction of World Trade 1/2.
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Zaelath wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
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Zaelath wrote: Shrug, my whole point was that LoTR is no more racist for omitting black people, than the Cosby Show is for omitting white people. I'm no more racist than Mr Cosby. Certain shouldabeen-cumstains choose to twist my point, like I care. Krim has shown time and again he has the reasoning of a jizz bucket attendant. Let him while away hours in confusion.
See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
If it's such an obvious backpedal, then why have I said the exact same thing on the other post in the movie forum where this bullshit came up? And you couldn't hurt my feelings with your pointless slurs, which are no more baseless or pointless than racial slurs btw, junglebunny.
I am only quoting what you say in this thread, I am not hunting all over the forums for your stupid ass posts, hillbilly trailer trash. you posted some stupid shit here and you get called on it. If you don't like it, stay in the movies forums asshole.
You chose to read it as stupid, you can't read in context, you sir have to comprehension of a 5th grade thug that sits in the back of the class. You also have their vocabulary; asshole, faggot, asshole. Try not to knock the head off while you celebrate your mastery of the messageboard.
Lol you have the nerve to call me a thug because I call you an asshole and a faggot, but jizzbucket and junglebunny make you the Great White Hope I suppose. You have lost all touch with reality. I did not read your quote as stupid, it was one sentence, and I quote yet again

"I'll say it again, The Cosby Show, has far more racist overtones than LoTR if only because it IS based on earth, in a country that is predominantly white, and only has one white person on the show that I can recall in an 8 year run"

Those are YOUR words, not mine, now how the FUCK did I take this sentence out of context you fucking mental midget? And not I am not chasing down all your stupid posts in all the other forums, I am blasting what you wrote in THIS thread. OMG you are so fucking stupid, why do I continue pissing in the wind against such incompetance is beyond this thugs comprehension., probably because I am sitting in the back of the class with all the other black power thugs, and not paying close enough attention to professor WHITE MAKES RIGHT.

I grant you one point, you agree that the article was stupid, and you should have stopped right there, but then to go on and say the Cosby show had racist overtones, that makes you just as stupid as the author of said piece.

If you tell me one more time that's not what you meant, or you meant something else in another thread, or I misunderstood your post, I am gonna fucking scream.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote: See if you would have said it like that, that would have been flawless, but it's an obvious backpedal. Instead you decide to say the Cosby show had racist overtones, to which I crushed your idiotic statement, and hurt your feelings in the process as an added bonus.
If it's such an obvious backpedal, then why have I said the exact same thing on the other post in the movie forum where this bullshit came up? And you couldn't hurt my feelings with your pointless slurs, which are no more baseless or pointless than racial slurs btw, junglebunny.
I am only quoting what you say in this thread, I am not hunting all over the forums for your stupid ass posts, hillbilly trailer trash. you posted some stupid shit here and you get called on it. If you don't like it, stay in the movies forums asshole.
You chose to read it as stupid, you can't read in context, you sir have to comprehension of a 5th grade thug that sits in the back of the class. You also have their vocabulary; asshole, faggot, asshole. Try not to knock the head off while you celebrate your mastery of the messageboard.
Lol you have the nerve to call me a thug because I call you an asshole and a faggot, but jizzbucket and junglebunny make you the Great White Hope I suppose. You have lost all touch with reality. I did not read your quote as stupid, it was one sentence, and I quote yet again

"I'll say it again, The Cosby Show, has far more racist overtones than LoTR if only because it IS based on earth, in a country that is predominantly white, and only has one white person on the show that I can recall in an 8 year run"

Those are YOUR words, not mine, now how the FUCK did I take this sentence out of context you fucking mental midget? And not I am not chasing down all your stupid posts in all the other forums, I am blasting what you wrote in THIS thread. OMG you are so fucking stupid, why do I continue pissing in the wind against such incompetance is beyond this thugs comprehension., probably because I am sitting in the back of the class with all the other black power thugs, and not paying close enough attention to professor WHITE MAKES RIGHT.

I grant you one point, you agree that the article was stupid, and you should have stopped right there, but then to go on and say the Cosby show had racist overtones, that makes you just as stupid as the author of said piece.

If you tell me one more time that's not what you meant, or you meant something else in another thread, or I misunderstood your post, I am gonna fucking scream.
Scream your tits off if you like, as to calling you names, if you failed to see the irony in tagging you with some stupid racist slur after you repeatedly fell to 5th grade name calling because you didn't have any real point, then I guess I'm not really surprised.

As you quote, I said, the Cosby Show has "far more racist overtones", it's a comparative. Given the original context was LoTR, you can easilly draw the conclusion that I'm being sarcastic in dubbing the Cosby Show as rascist propoganda OR you can be a screaming fucktard and attempt to spin what I said as; "THE COSBY SHOW WAS RASCIST", and ignore the fact that I tried to give the braindead a clue that this was not my intent, by noting at the the end of the paragraph, that I indeed loved the Cosby Show.

I'm done. Proceed to jam your ignorant head further up your own ass and chew up some shit to spew back at me. I know you're wrong.
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Ohhhhh, that's what you meant. I'm sorry, and welcome any other racial slurs you have for me in the future to teach me a lesson in irony. Cheerio.
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Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

Some of the dumbest arguments of all time have just been put into words on this thread. Even if this fucking book trilogy was set on EARTH and in the Middle Ages, you would STILL have racial segregation as portrayed in the movie. Do any of you rocket scientists truly believed that dark skinned people are native to Europe? Do you think white skinned people are native to Africa, Asia, or even the Middle East? Are you dumbasses truly trying to make me believe that you need euthanized?

Now as to whether they make them appear to be the "good" or "bad" guys in the books, I could give two shits. In every war there are two sides and both think the other side is the bad guys. This was written in one side's view.....one of you dipshits can take the time to write it from Sauron's viewpoint and spin it any way you want.
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OMG LOTR IS RACIST CUZ THE MIDGITS SAVE THE WORLD AND EVERYONE KNOWS MIDGITS SUX AND THEY CAN'T SAVE TEH WORLD. THIS IS BULLSHIT!!1! I'M A THUG!!11!1!! LOL K BYE.
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I love how retards try to censure older works of literature with being antagonistic to more modern social issues. I am not saying racism didn't exist , but in 1954 The Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers were published and 1955 when the Return of the King was first published this whole politically correct quagmire of bullshit never existed. People can twist the character make up to support their little agendas but they are ignoring the fact that LOTR is story that celebrates how "the little people", the ordinary individual can influence and shape history. I would have thought organizations that support minority rights and equality would see the value in carrying that message forth, rather than getting lost in some misplaced crap about racism.
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I'd think folks that choose to concentrate on stuff like this would be better served to direct their efforts to the gang/thug mentality pervasive in urban black culture. In my opinion, the glorification of the drug culture, rapping about bitches and ho's, killing cops, killing rival gang members, and the like, is far more denegrating to black youth today than the fact that there isn't a black hobbit.
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Wulfran wrote:I love how retards try to censure older works of literature with being antagonistic to more modern social issues. I am not saying racism didn't exist , but in 1954 The Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers were published and 1955 when the Return of the King was first published this whole politically correct quagmire of bullshit never existed. People can twist the character make up to support their little agendas but they are ignoring the fact that LOTR is story that celebrates how "the little people", the ordinary individual can influence and shape history. I would have thought organizations that support minority rights and equality would see the value in carrying that message forth, rather than getting lost in some misplaced crap about racism.
noone is accusing Tolkien or the novels of being racist, but there accusing peter jacksons interpritation of the films in a more modern, diverse society,
im not saying that peter jacksons racist, but im sure there was some sort of minor behind the scenes conspiracy about not allowing minority actors to play parts as extras...
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xzion wrote:im sure there was some sort of minor behind the scenes conspiracy about not allowing minority actors to play parts as extras...
I can't believe I actually just read that.
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