I just had to do this

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 29, 2002, 11:29 am

I wanted to post this here for the people I saw on the topic about searyx being a perv saying this country was founded on christianity.. And just to people that think that in general.. had to get this off of my chest, sorry - its a bit legthy. P.S., what I am about to post is taken from http://www.toolband.com .

THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
(that you never knew)
By
Victor Cypert

Throughout the days & months since 9/11/01 e.a. the e-mail accounts of most Americans have been bombarded by files containing various and sundry "patriotic" ideas. Some of these files are vaguely amusing and often-times disgusting images of Osama bin Laden engaged in various bestial sexual activities. Others are chain letters claiming that Microsoft, AOL, or some other major-label branch of the Illuminati Mind Control R&D Department is testing an "e-mail tracking system" and that for every person you pass the letter to, Bill Gates, Steven Case, or Yog-Sothoth will donate $6.66 to the families of the fallen police and firemen who died in the disaster. [Note: There is no such thing as an "e-mail tracking system." FNORD.]

Yet along with these nauseating JPGs and highly annoying chain letters have come other, more disturbing files. These other files make certain claims regarding the religion of the Founding Fathers of the United States. In fact, many of these e-mailings state that the Founding Fathers were Protestant Christians on a Mission from God. Now for the shocker, folks: The Founding Fathers were pro-Illuminati Deists with a more than slightly Satanic bent! Doubt it? Read on!

It is a well known fact that Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and many of the other shapers of the United States were Freemasons. Now while Freemasonry does require a man to profess a belief in a Higher Power, it does not require that a man be a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim. A Mason can be a Hindu, a Zoroastrian, a Manichean, a Thelemite, or even a Buddhist. [Don’t ask me about the last one - - I don’t get it either.] So while Emperor George I et al. were deeply spiritual men, we cannot infer their religious views from their Fraternal affiliations.

At the time of the writing of the U.S. Constitution, Deism was en vogue amongst dilettantes both foreign and domestic. Deism is often defined as a religious philosophy that stresses the abandoning of so-called Revealed Religion in favor of Natural Religion.

It accepts the existence of a Creator but holds that once said Maker-of-All-Things actually made all things it was impossible for Him/Her/It/They to interact with the Universe. In short, some great big invisible guy sat down, made the cosmos, and simply walked away from it, preferring to allow the universe to run according to its own rules. Through their writings and their own admissions, Washington, Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin were all Deists. As such, they did not accept any scripture as the "Word of God" and, as such, they could not have been Christians. Further, consider these lines written by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

I pray the earnest reader note that "Nature" is placed before "Nature’s God" giving greater import to the Physical Universe than to its Creator. This is a purely Deist sentiment and it can be found in the opening sentence of the primary instrument of our succession from England. From the outset, our Nation has been founded upon Deist ideas! FNORD. [For more information regarding Deism, please consult http://www.deism.com]

Along similar lines, Thomas Jefferson (philosopher, scholar, farmer, Freemason, gentleman, President, and immoral asshole who thought it acceptable to own other human beings like so much cattle) actually favored the political agenda of the notorious Illuminati! From his writings, we read the following regarding the Founder of the Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt, and his organization:

"As Weishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot and priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, and the principles of pure morality. This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment... If Weishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise and virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose."

Now this statement is doubly damning on two fronts. First, it defends Adam Weishaupt and makes apology for his actions, admitting that the morals of the Illuminati were "pure" and capable of making men "wise and virtuous." Second, it clearly states that Weishaupt and his brood would’ve been right at home within the United States! Now, before you even attempt to rebut this idea, pull a dollar bill from your pocket and take a look at that controversial seal on the backside. Stare into the Eye atop the pyramid and repeat to yourself "There is no enemy, anywhere" six-hundred-sixty-six times or until you begin to feel like an American. FNORD. [For further information regarding the Illuminati of Weishaupt please consult http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/Fr ... lumin.html]

Now let us consider Benjamin Franklin (satirist, statesman, ambassador, Freemason, and unabashed drunkard) who gave us his face to grace the U.S. $100 bill. To many, Franklin appears a harmless character, notorious for appearing in the Royal Court of France attired in his coonskin cap. Yet there is evidence linking him to Sir Francis Dashwood’s notorious Order "The Monks of Medmenham" (aka "The Hell-Fire Club," an early prototype for many occult and Satanic organizations of the modern day.)

Sir Francis Dashwood, an Englishman of some power and wealth during his day, was a Freemason, a Rosicrucian, a Jacobite, and a Jacobin. [What’s a Jacobin? Go rent the movie "South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut" and watch for "The Mole." He’s easier to swallow than Maximilian Robespierre. Also, please be careful not to confuse "Jacobins" with " Jacobians." The former are the darlings of French Historians throughout the world. The latter are the bane of mathematics majors taking their first course in Partial Differential Equations.] He also founded a blatantly pagan institution that was called by many "The Hell-Fire Club."

Dashwood’s organization was, in many ways, a precursor to Crowley’s OTO and AA, having as its motto the phrase "Do what thou wilt" which phrase first appeared in the novel Gargantua by Rabelais. In the courtyard of the Order’s main Abbey was found a lewd statue of a nude Venus, Her hind quarters fully exposed. There was also found in the Abbey’s garden a figure of Harpocrates placing a finger to His lips. These images reminded the Monks of their duty to themselves and to their Order: Eat, lust, enjoy all things which life has to offer but don’t go about telling the world our business lest the Protestants find out! That goes double for the Catholics! [ Protestant: A member of any non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian denomination. Protestantism is marked by a loathing of Church hierarchy, acceptance of the Bible as the infallible word of God, and a nagging suspicion amongst its members that at any given moment someone in the world might actually be having a good time. FNORD.]

[For further information regarding the Hellfire Club of Sir Francis Dashwood, please consult http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id241/pg1/]

So despite the fervent wishes of the Religious Right, America is NOT a Christian nation. Our Constitution, founded upon the tenants of Freemasonry, Illuminism, and Deism, is a purely "Satanic" document from the perspective of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and other anti-Patriotic zealots. Despite what you may believe, what you may read, what you may see on TV, what you may hear on the radio, or what the local clergy may tell you Our Constitution and Our Nation is far from Christian. We have inherited a freethinker’s paradise which others have attempted to usurp for their own political agendas.

But beyond that, the image of Osama bin Laden as a Candy-Raver is a riot. If you haven’t seen it yet, you’re missing out! [For more information on raves, please consult http://www.groovethemovie.com]

Pacem vobiscum
Victor

comments ? any ? Id like to hear what the zealots have to say about this post. -funkmasterr

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 29, 2002, 11:42 am

Our founding fathers all grew teh marijuana!

This country wasn't founded by Satanists, it was founded by STONERS!!!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 29, 2002, 12:38 pm

The guy who wrote that article is just as guilty of spinning the founding father's faith to his purpose as people he attacks.

The folks that started the USA up were a varied bunch, many of which were well published. By selectively taking their documented statements and tossing out those that contradict them you can easily argue that the founding fathers belived Erny the Keebler Elf was master of the universe!

This kind of drivel serves no purpose other than to perpetuate an endless
ping pong match if half truths.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 29, 2002, 1:07 pm

I agree with you to a small degree, that he does use a few things to his advantage. But he makes a few statements that are true, and not misleading. Those are the ones linking said people to the organizations they were part of. You can brush this off as hearsey as much as you want to protect your christian thoughts and beliefs, but it DID happen and is true, and if you really wish im sure I could dig up some books that went into more colorful detail of how strange they were. That was my whole point to begin with, people get so set in their ways, especially on things like religion that they would'nt know a fact if someone wrote it on concrete and beat the shit out of them with it.

P.S. I love debating.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 29, 2002, 1:11 pm

I love bating.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » August 29, 2002, 1:16 pm

while I dont have the time to read your copy/paste defense of Searyx, I will ask you this...

Do you think the founding fathers, the pilgrims etc. would advocate kiddie porn, anime or otherwise?

fuck off in advance for any such argument that may come.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 29, 2002, 1:20 pm

no, that had nothing to do with my post, my post had to do with a few responses to the long debate I saw that ensued searyxs' perversion. I hate pushy christians who think that everyone needs to have tunnel vision like they do, and it irritated me when I saw one of them claim this country was founded on christianity, so i posted this for that reason - not to defend searyx. SO, fuck you for jumping to conclusions without paying attention to what I said. Back to the regularily schedueled debate I say..

*edit* p.s. I hate japanese anime and do agree that kiddie porn is sick, although that has next to nothing to do with what I am talking about maybe it will stop you or anyone else who wants to argue about that a bit more from trying to pin that bullshit on me.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 29, 2002, 1:34 pm

Spunkmaster- The fact, whether you want to believe it or not, is that whether or not this country was founded by Christians is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the USA is considered a Judeo-Christian nation and OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of the rules and laws are based upon the morality of SOME of the founding fathers who were Christians.

Child porn is WRONG whether you are a Christian or not and your attempt to de-rail a good Searyx shit kicking has failed Bwawawawa!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 29, 2002, 1:40 pm

Don't assume you know my faith.

I simply tire of this old argument. It never ends. Everyone tries to spin the founding fathers into something that support's their worldview.

I despise that hypocracy.

When you don't take a balanced look at them and when you spin their stories, you are lieing.

I dont' like liars.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » August 29, 2002, 1:41 pm

Ok so let me repeat myself for another fucking time - I AM NOT DEFENDING SEARYX, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE KIDDIE PORN DEBATE, I KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THE ISSUE AND DON'T NEED TO DEBATE IT AMONGST HALF WITS - I SIMPLY USED HIM AS A REFERENCE TO WHERE I SAW THE SAID STATEMENTS THAT IRRITATED ME.
thank you very much for the bs, and now - if you want to beat the dead horse that this kiddie porn debate is was and always will be- do it on one of the threads about it already or start a new one. This thread was made to make a point- if you want to argue that point cool, otherwise - piss off.

p.s . ok , george w. (or doubleya however you want to pronounce it ), facts are facts, end of subject, you cannot argue facts, only opinions. Some of what this guy wrote is fact, and wether you like that or not has no bearing on it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 29, 2002, 1:44 pm

If you wish to make a point, most of us would prefer if you did so using something other than dubious spin.

*edit* sp

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 29, 2002, 2:06 pm

This country was founded by religious misfits of all descriptions. From the ultra conservative Puritans and Quakers to the liberal Diests, this nation was founded as a place of refuge against religious persecution.

However, the majority of folks in the US are Christian, and the laws reflect those mores.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 29, 2002, 2:31 pm

While I think your post is stupid. And any debate that would follow would be mostly pointless. I did want to point something out.

"Do what thou wilt" you quoted from tool's website.

IIRC, the full quote is: Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law.

It didn't mean Fuck your neighbor and your neighbor's wife, and your neighbor's ass, and don't tell anyone.

It had to do with a somewhat obscure idea of a darwinistic anarchy.

In which many morals would lose their gray area due to survival. Many 'criminals' (or the immoral) would be killed in defense of one's property, self, family, etc, Forcing the moral populace to stick together, lean on each other and help each other against the scattered immoral minority. The idea was that what was left was a moral, cohesive, anarchist, society.

I could be COMPLETELY and MISERABLY off on this point as it has been a while since I read into this. But that was how I remember learning it.