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http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana ... -louisiana
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- A south Louisiana NAACP branch is considering seeking a sanction against a white judge who appeared at a Halloween party in black face and wearing a prison jumpsuit and shackles around his wrists and ankles.

Judge Timothy C. Ellender, a state district judge in Terrebonne Parish, has acknowledged that he wore the costume, including an "afro" wig, but said it was a harmless joke. "It's a tempest in a teapot," he told The Courier of Houma.

What the hell? ROFL LOL HAHA TIME TO BREAK OUT MY GINGERBREAD JEW COSTUME, ALL THE ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE WILL GET THE JOKE AND RECOGNIZE THAT I REEK OF CLEVER AWESOME NESS!
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God, when will people learn to take a fucking joke.

Are excessively hairy people going to sue the people who make the wolfman costumes?
Gothic people go after the people who wear witches dresses and dracula costumes?
Nerds become enraged about people dressing up as nerds

There is such a guilt in this country about the fact that prior to the civil rights act black men and women were treated like crap in the south and because of organizations like the NAACP which have done great things in the past, are now fighting stupid battles like this one here. Anyway, the guilt in this country has forced every white person to be completely over concious of people's colors to not be offensive. Its created an almost reverse racism where black comics and any black man can freely make fun of white people and everyone gets a good laugh out of it. If a white comic made fun of a black man it'd be distasteful and racist. What the fuck? If people want equality among races they gotta learn to grow some skin and take a joke. Otherwise we'll have completely unfair things like this particular event going on where a white guy plays a joke and gets fucked while if a hundred black guys did a reverse of the same joke, it would never be reported.

This is just the opinion of a white boy from suburban New Jersey, I have several black friends, they all can take a joke. We kid each other all the time, but one of the jokes we have that seems to work in this situation is one in which one of my black friends does something (usually a potentially bad thing like throwing something at someone) and we come by and say "He's black! Its ok!", people laugh and move on. If I did the same thing, i'd have to answer for my actions.
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Yeah, it's sooo funny. Too bad the judge (and Rivera) forgot all about the two most important factors in making a joke. The first is timing (the judge was ok here). The second is context. The context, a white judge dressing as a black prisoner, is what makes it not only not funny, but dangerous for his career because it gives off a certain impression.

Sorry, but it's not funny.
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Dressing up as Chef from South Park singing the Salty Balls song would have been funny though!
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I missed the part where a judge could not have a sense of humor. Its a costume, halloween past the age of 14 is there only to be funny or sexy. To act different than usual for one day out of the year. Hell, in my school we had several people wear a prison jump suit that said "K. Byrant" with shackles on their hands. One was black, the other two painted their faces. People laughed, no one had problems.

Though as a judge perhaps your right on the fact that he shouldn't have done it, as he should be creating a just image. But I would hate for this crap to spiral into the "racist" direction.
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Heh, he's not a racist. He's just an idiot.

Common sense would tell me if I were a judge, dressing up as a black prisoner might not be funny. Dressing up as a prisoner would be. :P The difference is subtle in the execution, but extreme in the perception. It's not that he couldn't dress up as a black man.

Winnow is right. Though I would submit that anyone dressed up as Chef would be funny.
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While I do think it's an error in judgement that is not because I don't think it's funny but because I KNOW there are a bunch of people out there just looking for something to whine, bitch or sue over... dumb decision on his part.

My friends step-dad went to his church Haloween party as a Pimp one year... as he was the minister a LOT of the congregation didn't think it was funny. It was funny as hell, EVEN moreso because he was the minister but some people can't take a joke.

I'm fat and I could probably argure, or at least find some sleazebag lawyer to do so, that fat people have been descriminated against. Say it hurt my feelings, I'm suffereing from X, Y AND Z... whenever I heard or saw someone making fun of fat people, or wearing a fat costume to a party... but I wouldn't because IT IS FUNNY.

IMHO there are too many people taking themselves WAY too seriously in this country... it was a joke... let it go.

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Rivera Bladestrike wrote:I missed the part where a judge could not have a sense of humor. Its a costume, halloween past the age of 14 is there only to be funny or sexy.
and the world would have ended if he was a white prisoner? the costume wouldn't have worked at all? people wouldn't have known he was a prisoner if he didn't go in blackface?

the only reason to dress up in blackface in a costume like that is to make a specific statement about race. there is NO OTHER REASON.
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Marbus wrote:While I do think it's an error in judgement that is not because I don't think it's funny but because I KNOW there are a bunch of people out there just looking for something to whine, bitch or sue over... dumb decision on his part.

My friends step-dad went to his church Haloween party as a Pimp one year... as he was the minister a LOT of the congregation didn't think it was funny. It was funny as hell, EVEN moreso because he was the minister but some people can't take a joke.

I'm fat and I could probably argure, or at least find some sleazebag lawyer to do so, that fat people have been descriminated against. Say it hurt my feelings, I'm suffereing from X, Y AND Z... whenever I heard or saw someone making fun of fat people, or wearing a fat costume to a party... but I wouldn't because IT IS FUNNY.

IMHO there are too many people taking themselves WAY too seriously in this country... it was a joke... let it go.
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nigga please

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I'm fat and I could probably argure, or at least find some sleazebag lawyer to do so, that fat people have been descriminated against. Say it hurt my feelings, I'm suffereing from X, Y AND Z... whenever I heard or saw someone making fun of fat people, or wearing a fat costume to a party... but I wouldn't because IT IS FUNNY.
Fat also isnt a race we oppressed for over 200 years and is still heavily discriminated against in many places today.
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kyoukan wrote: the only reason to dress up in blackface in a costume like that is to make a specific statement about race. there is NO OTHER REASON.
maybe he wanted the chicks there to think he had an enormous penis. I don't see the black guys getting upset about THAT racial profiling!
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The basic problem here isn't humour; it's the fact that a judge could show so comprehensively that he isn't in touch with the wider community who's morals he is supposed to enforce.

While I agree with Rivera that "black culture" can excuse a whole host of behaviour white people could never get away with, he either knew this wasn't acceptible in the wider community or didn't care. Either is bad.

I'll be so much happier when it's all equal, and I too can take my bitches out in public on a leash.
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wow.


Kyoukan is exactly right, it isnt a judge just dressing up as a prisoner to be funny. the only reason to go in black face is to create a racist charicature. sure its not a big deal if you or I dress up like this (other than being in poor taste).

But because of the requirements of this person professionally as a public servant and the requisite commitment to the Constitution, this shows some pretty questionable judgement. HAHAH JUDGEMENT!!

of course its South Lousisiana, so nobody should be surprised.
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I think the punishment should fit the crime, let's drop him off dressed like that ( but with real foot shackles) late at night, in the nearest predominately black area.


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Hello political correctness, goodbye sense of humor.

What a joke. Personally I find the idea of some stuck up white judge with his face painted black walking around with an afro on hilarious.
kyoukan wrote:and the world would have ended if he was a white prisoner? the costume wouldn't have worked at all? people wouldn't have known he was a prisoner if he didn't go in blackface?

the only reason to dress up in blackface in a costume like that is to make a specific statement about race. there is NO OTHER REASON.
In my mind a stereotypical judge with shackles on wouldn't really be a funny or convincing costume, so that brings in the idea of some kind of whig or face paint. He could paint his face pale white and wear some kind of victorian whig- but that wouldn't exactly work either. Or he could paint his face black to look completely different- and naturally an afro would complete the job. Did he go through this thought process or do it for completely race based reasons? I don't know and neither do you.
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Brotha.....nevermind, if you don't get it by now, you never will. I want to call you a moron right now, but I'll show restraint.
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Brotha wrote:Hello political correctness, goodbye sense of humor.

What a joke. Personally I find the idea of some stuck up white judge with his face painted black walking around with an afro on hilarious.
kyoukan wrote:and the world would have ended if he was a white prisoner? the costume wouldn't have worked at all? people wouldn't have known he was a prisoner if he didn't go in blackface?

the only reason to dress up in blackface in a costume like that is to make a specific statement about race. there is NO OTHER REASON.
In my mind a stereotypical judge with shackles on wouldn't really be a funny or convincing costume, so that brings in the idea of some kind of whig or face paint. He could paint his face pale white and wear some kind of victorian whig- but that wouldn't exactly work either. Or he could paint his face black to look completely different- and naturally an afro would complete the job. Did he go through this thought process or do it for completely race based reasons? I don't know and neither do you.
Are you really this stupid? I know you know how to read. Granted your choice in what you read is lacking, but that's neither here or there. Did you notice that Voronwe said if one of us dressed up like this, it would still be in poor taste? Do you even know what poor taste is? Do you understand the implication of a WHITE judge dressing up as a BLACK criminal? Do you understand how that could be looked at?

I'm white and it's obvious to me why this is a horrible idea. You want to whine because political correctness is infringing on your sense of humor? Shut the fuck up and buy yourself a clue.
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Brotha wrote:Did he go through this thought process or do it for completely race based reasons? I don't know and neither do you.

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how does applying makeup after the fashion depicted above occur WITHOUT it being about race?
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Krimson Klaw wrote:Brotha.....nevermind, if you don't get it by now, you never will. I want to call you a moron right now, but I'll show restraint.
I know, a southern white judge (all of which are known for trying to keep an honest brotha down) wore a costume showing an african american in a negative light and I didn't immediately condemn him as a racist redneck- I'm such a moron!

If the NAACP goes through the decisions he's made as a judge and finds evidence of racism I'm all for kicking him to the curb- but if he does his job fairly I don't care what kind of costumes he wears to parties and neither should you.

Shouldn't the african american community be more concerned maybe with why 75 percent of the prison population in Louisiana is african american? Or why there are more african americans in prison in Lousiana than in higher education?
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This blackface crap goes back to a time in early cinema when blacks were ridiculed and made fun of in movies and comedy sketches by white actors/comedians using black face paint. I like jokes just as much as the next guy, but poor taste is poor taste. I bet some of you would bust a stitch if I showed up dressed up like an easy bake oven wearing a big nose and a star of david patch on my sleeve. Yea, let the hilarity of poor taste ensue.
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Shouldn't the african american community be more concerned maybe with why 75 percent of the prison population in Louisiana is african american? Or why there are more african americans in prison in Lousiana than in higher education?
maybe racist judges has something to do with it! :p
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Judges should know better. There's a reason why the members of the Supreme Court are the only ones in the chamber who do NOT applaud when the President enters to give their* State of the Union address. It's a tradition to show respect for impartiallity.

One could argue that the judge is free to do whatever when he isn't at work, but this kind of Amos and Andy dress-up shows a complete obliviousness to the struggles African-Americans have endured over the last 400 years. It's just tacky. If that's the funniest costume he could come up with, feh.

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Brotha wrote:Hello political correctness, goodbye sense of humor.

What a joke. Personally I find the idea of some stuck up white judge with his face painted black walking around with an afro on hilarious.
That's because you're a fucking racist shithead who should euthanized.
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If the NAACP goes through the decisions he's made as a judge and finds evidence of racism I'm all for kicking him to the curb- but if he does his job fairly I don't care what kind of costumes he wears to parties and neither should you.
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Sue was just an example...

He is a judge in LA, he may be in an area where most of the people who comitted crimes were black. OF COURSE the costume would have worked if he had not. But that's not my point... all us liberals are so concerned about "rights" I think we forget thing can be a joke. SOMETIMES those jokes actually hurt people's feeling or are cruel. To me that dosen't mean they aren't funny.

IMHO if we truly value people's rights then we have to respect the right of the bigot just like everyone else. As long as he didn't wrongly convict someone because they are black he has done nothing wrong IMHO and has the right to be a backwards ass uneducated racist if he wants to be... and lets not forget it was a party.

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Marb, I normally agree with you, but I can't in this case. I'm also a conservative, not a liberal.
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Correct Aranuil. When he holds public office, he is now being held to a higher standard in the public eye. Making fun of blacks ata private party is basically unbecoming of a judge. Just like I could be fired for representing Dell Inc. in a negative light outside of my normal working hours, for say, excercising my freedom of speach right and calling Michael Dell a stupid jew in a national TV interview.
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he has the right to be a racist, and nobody is saying his action is criminal Marb.

He, however, has the professional, and social obligation because of his chosen profession to specifically work against the very thing that his costume represented. and because he works for the government, and the people, they have every right to call into question his behavior when it is relevant to how he performs his duties.

In politics you are NEVER "off the clock", and he should have known better. He made an error in judgement that calls into question his integrity and ability to properly perform his job responsibilities.

He has the legal right to be a racist, but being racist is not compatible with his responsibilities on the bench. and THAT is the issue.
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Voronwe wrote:He has the legal right to be a racist, but being racist is not compatible with his responsibilities on the bench. and THAT is the issue.
I agree completely with that statement, but I still disagree that this was necessarily racist. How many of us have made jokes stereotyping another race? Are all of us racists? Is Marb's friend's stepdad a racist? Do we even know for a fact that he was purposefully making fun of or stereotyping blacks? You can argue that dressing up as a black prisoner conflicts with his job as a judge I guess, but being racist is another matter.

Furthermore, as I was trying to say earlier, shouldn't we be judging him based on his past rulings rather than jumping to conclusions based on a single costume he wore? Wouldn't those be a lot more telling?

I want to know where in the "racial sensitivity" book it sets out what kind of costumes you can or can't wear. Or better yet, why don't we form a House Committee on Un-Racially Sensitive Activities and get all those racist rednecks weeded out of here!
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Brotha wrote:You can argue that dressing up as a black prisoner conflicts with his job as a judge I guess, but being racist is another matter.
That's what every normal person on this thread IS arguing.
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How many of us have made jokes stereotyping another race? Are all of us racists?
I don't know if this is weird or anything, but I don't make racist jokes. I guess I don't find racism funny, and I don't find racist attitudes to be correct, so I view the jokes as nonsensical and offensive, and thus I choose not to tell them.

Perhaps that's an unusual attitude to hold, but I find that hard to believe. If you think that racist jokes are just high-larious and can't resist telling one every now and then, that most likely doesn't mean that you are just a normal boy with a sense of humor. It probably means that you're a racist.
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Vetiria wrote:
Code of Ethics applies everywhere, not just at the bench.
Actually, no. The American Bar Association's Code of Conduct is quite specific in that it deals with transgressions only if they affect an individual's ability to competently practice law.

Unless you're speaking of some other Code?
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OK I'm not making myself clear... For me I used the word liberal because politaclly that is often my stance. Not some freak libreal but more someone who actually gives a shit about working Americans, I consider myself a "real democrat." In all truthfulness I probably used the term liberal incorrectly as it brings to mind certain things most of you know I don't agree with. That being said... back to the discussion.

In my first post I tried to state that I agree with what I think Voronwe, Aranuil and others are arguing but for different reasons.

I DO think he was wrong to go in that costume. I was President of my Student Council in both Jr and Sr HS, and while I'm sure some people thought that gave them more liberty to me it just meant more responsibility as both my parents were involved with Education as well. Everything I did reflected not only on me but on them... The SAME political aguement can be made about almost every position when someone is in a position of power. Whether that is business, politics or religion. There are certain things someone should not do because others will or may misinterpert it.

Would I do what he did? Hell no because I would guess what has happend to be excatly what would happen. My agruement is SHOULD that be what happens. IMHO there are too many people in our country screaming wolf about every little thing. This is a small thing, in the grand scheme of things, that is getting TONs of publicity. All while there are REAL racist actions not being delt with due to time or money. The NAACP is not a bottomless pit when it comes to financials, just like any other organization I think they should better pick their battles. If this judge has shown in the past to be a racist on the bench I would want them to do everything they and any other agencies could to remove him, this type of behavior could be used as proof. However just because he wore an inappropraite costume to a party should not be means for dismissal. Someone bitch slapping him b/c he is an indiot maybe but not dismissal.

Let me rephrase again why I state the above. There are too many people, too many whiners in this country screaming wolf which often waste tax payer and donation money to no avail. While it seems like all to often the real racist, rapist and sexual harasser walks away scot free.

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kyoukan wrote:
Brotha wrote:Hello political correctness, goodbye sense of humor.

What a joke. Personally I find the idea of some stuck up white judge with his face painted black walking around with an afro on hilarious.
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Toshira wrote:Actually, no. The American Bar Association's Code of Conduct is quite specific in that it deals with transgressions only if they affect an individual's ability to competently practice law.

Unless you're speaking of some other Code?
And what exactly is this example? This doesn't effect his ability to competently practice law? Every single black person that goes in front of him and receives a verdict against them is going to cry racism. I say that does effect his ability.
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Does anyone else find it hypocritical of the NAACP to criticize white people for making fun of black people (going with overview, not context here, work with me) yet still praise the works of Chris Rock et al, whose main angle of their comedy is to make fun of white people? I find it to be really fucking stupid that <insert almost every black comedian here> can crack on white people all day long and get laughed at. But when one white person does the same, NAACP, Johnny Cochran, and the crew come screaming. That said, this specific incident was stupid on the judges part for being who he is and doing what he did.

BTW, didn't some college kids at Tennessee do the same thing?
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Oh yea, everyones doing it, it must be ok now. this judge is a trailblazer making a path for other public officials to come out of the closet with their racism. I am so glad I live in this enlightened moment in time.
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I'm not going to condemn him for being a racist redneck fuck, I'm going to condemn him for being a clueless twit who hasn't the intelligence to tailor his delivery to his audience.

Anyone this fucking stupid doesn't need to be sitting a bench, he needs to be emptying trash cans.
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Zamtuk, let me get this straight you are trying to compare Chris Rock's stand up routine to a judge dressing up in racial charicature. last time i checked CHris Rock was not trying and sentencing white folks to prison terms.... :roll:

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Zamtuk wrote:Does anyone else find it hypocritical of the NAACP to criticize white people for making fun of black people (going with overview, not context here, work with me) yet still praise the works of Chris Rock et al, whose main angle of their comedy is to make fun of white people? I find it to be really fucking stupid that <insert almost every black comedian here> can crack on white people all day long and get laughed at. But when one white person does the same, NAACP, Johnny Cochran, and the crew come screaming. That said, this specific incident was stupid on the judges part for being who he is and doing what he did.
I disagree, while Chris Rock (and others) make fun of white people, they make fun of black people just as often. I think that's part of why it isn't a big deal; his humor is self-deprecating as well as being directed at other people.

Blackface is generally not a good idea, because of the history of racism that it carries with it. For the same reasons that people get offended by a swastika or the confederate flag or even some sports mascots. Sure, none of those things by themselves are inherently evil symbols, but the history behind each of them carries the negative connotations.

With the lopsided numbers of black people in the prison system in America, a judge donning blackface and a prison suit and shackles is either insensitivity, racism, or plain ignorance. None of which are very valuable qualities to look for in a judge.
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Voronwë wrote:Zamtuk, let me get this straight you are trying to compare Chris Rock's stand up routine to a judge dressing up in racial charicature. last time i checked CHris Rock was not trying and sentencing white folks to prison terms.... :roll:
No, not at all. In fact I stated that i disagreed with the judges actions. I used Chris Rock because the NAACP praises him for his acting, when it bashes white people quite often.
Oh yea, everyones doing it, it must be ok now. this judge is a trailblazer making a path for other public officials to come out of the closet with their racism. I am so glad I live in this enlightened moment in time.
If that was in response to my statement, it makes no sense. If not, then sorry!
I disagree, while Chris Rock (and others) make fun of white people, they make fun of black people just as often. I think that's part of why it isn't a big deal; his humor is self-deprecating as well as being directed at other people.
That is entirely correct. But, switch the roles. What do you think would be the outcome if Robin Williams went on stage and did the same thing?
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I used Chris Rock because the NAACP praises him for his acting
Praises him for his ACTING?

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well, whatever you want to call the combination of stand up, movies, and his show, plus advertisements. I just put it all under acting. Sorry for the confusion. :?
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Zamtuk wrote:That is entirely correct. But, switch the roles. What do you think would be the outcome if Robin Williams went on stage and did the same thing?
I'm pretty sure that I have seen Robin Williams (specifically) make fun of black people, and no uproar was made. I know for a fact that that is true of some other white comedians.

I have a pretty diverse group of friends, and I constantly make fun of all of them. Black, white, asian, arab... when one of them does something dumb or or there is a situation for me to exaggerate a stereotype in a humorous way, I will not hesitate to take the opportunity. I do the same to myself, and even people that aren't my friends as long as I have been around them long enough for them to understand my sense of humor. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any of them that I've made uncomfortable or who would seriously think I'm a racist.

It could be that the judge was at a party where he was the only white person and everyone there was a friend of his, and when he came in dressed like that everyone thought it was the funniest thing they'd ever seen. The problem lies in that he is a public figure in a position that is held to a different standard than a comedian. If he's going to be somewhere that might get press, he sure as hell better be thinking about what the repercussions might be.
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How about this, what if he had painted his face black, not blackface (with the white lips and all) but just black and went. Or what if he had gone dressed as a stereotypical asian, bowl cut black hair, slanted eyes and stuff. Would the same outrage happen?

What if a black judge painted his face white and dressed in a prison jumper with shackles?? You know go as Ken Lay or something.
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How about this, what if he had painted his face black, not blackface (with the white lips and all) but just black and went.
In prison greys and leg irons?

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Dressing up like a black person is one thing, but to use the black face version with the exaggerated features is demeaning. Reason is is that it's being pulled from an actual event in history when that exact same charicature of blacks was used to put us down and make fun of us as an un-educated people that should never have been freed to begin with, and should only grace a movie screen with their presence when being made fun of by whites....

-edit I am just repeating myself here so It's time to give up and move on.
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