American Muslims told to leave 3 US cities immediately

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 7, 2003, 2:35 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102179,00.html

"Our Muslim brothers in America, we ask you to immediately leave the following cities: Washington, D.C., New York, and Los Angeles," reads the communiqué, which frequently quotes the Quran.

"We are serious in our warning," the message states. "The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning … To the oppressive rulers of America we say: Expect our terms following the first strike of Allah's believing soldiers [Quran, Chapter 59, Verse 2-3]."

Article states that this warning is up on an Al Quaeda site. Is this another one of those hollow threats made to rattle citizens, or will they act this time? The last part about expecting terms after the strike is pretty hardcore.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 7, 2003, 2:37 pm

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Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 7, 2003, 2:48 pm

I dont live in LA, but I work there....FUCK!!

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 7, 2003, 3:37 pm

I don't think if they were going to plan something that large scale that they would tip us off about it.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 7, 2003, 3:45 pm

I think it'd show a lot of balls if they did. Think about it, they make a warning publicly, to help their brothers out and inspire fear in Americans. Then, if they successfully pull off something on a large scale, they can be like "we told you about it and you still couldn't do anything."

I certainly hope it's just an empty threat.

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 7, 2003, 3:48 pm

me too =(

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 7, 2003, 4:15 pm

I'm sure it is. Havent we heard shit like this before?

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 7, 2003, 4:17 pm

Just another reason I am happy to be living in Bum Fuck Egypt, Wisconsin.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 7, 2003, 4:18 pm

Back in a class I had once we were divided up into groups, 2 groups working against eachother. One were to figure out how to attack a country through (mostly) computerized methods, the other were to figure out how to defend against how they thought we would attack. Among other things we came up with was attacking the water supplies for major cities (which, of course, demanded some non-computerized interaction as well). But that made me think, how well protected are water supplies? That would be a damn scary way to attack since it basicly would demand all large cities to shut down their water systems until they had been checked..

Oh and if you wonder, it was part of a computer/network security class and the exercise was supposed to get us to think outside of what the boring textbook had to say. Was very interesting, it made me think of a lot of computer security issues I had never thought about before.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 7, 2003, 4:24 pm

so how long until you guys stop shitting your pants in fear every time a bunch of tinpot smelly islamists no one's even heard of threatens to attack you? if I threatened to destroy you tomorrow in the name of allah would you start digging a fallout shelter in your backyard? because that would be pretty fucking funny.

fox news is playing you like like a used banjo to keep their agenda going.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 7, 2003, 4:26 pm

/shrug

deeds, not words

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 7, 2003, 6:28 pm

this is exactly what I would do.

Cry sheep until the village quits paying attention.

Then they'll never know or care which one is real until it's too late.

Not to mention, with every open threat, we up security, and they get to observe.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 7, 2003, 6:31 pm

Let them bring it. [sarcasm]I saw 'Red Dawn', I know what's up.[/sarcasm]

It doesn't even matter. I could sit here and think of MILLIONS of ways to kill large numbers of people, or terrorize and disrupt American society. We'll still go on. Our society won't cease to exist, and their lives will still suck, so let them bring it.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » November 7, 2003, 6:43 pm

When we don't buy their oil anymore, their little countries will shrink into the desert and disappear.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 7, 2003, 7:37 pm

Why would they even care about warning 'American Muslims'? If they live in America they must be evil as well so kill em all!

So... I'm not buying it either.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 7, 2003, 7:40 pm

Yea I remember Osama saying that if you paid taxes, then you were part of the evil American machine, and therefore a target. Good point.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 7, 2003, 7:59 pm

When we don't buy their oil anymore, their little countries will shrink into the desert and disappear.

So, with this in mind: What do you think about legislation updating our fuel-efficiency standards?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 8, 2003, 9:38 am

So, with this in mind: What do you think about legislation updating our fuel-efficiency standards?

My filthy eurotrash liberal leftist insticts would say "Not under your current government, buddy!"

This also comes on the day that the US closes it's Saudi Arabia embassies due to threats. I'm betting they don't go back and it's time for Saudi to come under the anti-terrorist searchlight a little more.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 8, 2003, 9:50 am

saudia arabia should have been the first country invaded, long before iraq was even considered.

I bet hardly anyone internationally would have even fucking cared about those despotic fucking tyrants that rule that shithole of a country getting some poorly aimed and shoddily trained american justice. shariah law can eat my fucking asshole; bunch of brain dead, sandblasted, camel fucking barbarians.

unfortunately the bush family makes a lot of money off of saudi arabia and their ties with the royal family so it will probably be the next cracker ass redneck republican shitfucker of a president that gets to blow up that country.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 8, 2003, 1:44 pm

Cool I do not live in any of those cities

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 8, 2003, 2:00 pm

Kylere wrote:Cool I do not live in any of those cities

and that's a damn shame.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » November 8, 2003, 7:31 pm

I wonder who writes these threats. They get more boring every day/threat.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 9, 2003, 11:50 am

Markulas wrote:I wonder who writes these threats. They get more boring every day/threat.

Go here http://www.muslimthreatoftheday.com

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 9, 2003, 6:00 pm

lol yeah because its the fucking muslims.

fuck off

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 10, 2003, 12:26 pm

Lol this thread is a winner.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 10, 2003, 12:30 pm

It's been like 4 days now, and LA is still here. Like wtf? Where they lying or something?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 10, 2003, 1:04 pm

kyoukan wrote:lol yeah because its the fucking muslims.

fuck off

Sorry Kyoukan it is http://www.muslimthreatoftheday.com

I went to:
http://www.baptistthreatoftheday.com
http://www.Popethreatoftheday.com I did find threats to altar boys here.
http://www.mormonthreatoftheday.com
http://www.jehovahwitnessthreatoftheday.com Watch out for those anthrax laidin Watchtowers.
http://www.churchofchrist.com

No threats found here sorry!!

Mort · Post by **Mort** » November 10, 2003, 1:15 pm

kyoukan wrote:lol yeah because its the fucking muslims.

fuck off

Kyou, I have to ask you.... Do you know how many of the major conflicts going on in the world today involve Muslims not getting along with thier neighbors?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 10, 2003, 1:39 pm

I am shocked over the news of Al-Quaeda bombing Saudi Arabia. I realize they hate the western infulence in their homeland, but this was a step I did not think they would take, murdering fellow mulsims. I did not think that was allowed even under the most fundamental beliefs.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/ ... index.html

Seventeen people, including five children, were killed and 122 people were wounded in Saturday's suicide car bombing in a mostly Arab neighborhood in Riyadh, the Saudi Press Agency said

I understand their targets when they bombed America, they were for the most part military and economic targets of their enemy. Ok. But if you hate your home government being buddy buddy with the west, why not go after military and economic targets like they did with us, and not an urban area? I don't get it. Unless they are expecting the common folks to get pissed at the government about Al-Quadea having to bomb them to get attention to their cause. Confusing right?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » November 11, 2003, 11:08 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:I am shocked over the news of Al-Quaeda bombing Saudi Arabia. I realize they hate the western infulence in their homeland, but this was a step I did not think they would take, murdering fellow mulsims. I did not think that was allowed even under the most fundamental beliefs.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/ ... index.html

Seventeen people, including five children, were killed and 122 people were wounded in Saturday's suicide car bombing in a mostly Arab neighborhood in Riyadh, the Saudi Press Agency said
I understand their targets when they bombed America, they were for the most part military and economic targets of their enemy. Ok. But if you hate your home government being buddy buddy with the west, why not go after military and economic targets like they did with us, and not an urban area? I don't get it. Unless they are expecting the common folks to get pissed at the government about Al-Quadea having to bomb them to get attention to their cause. Confusing right?

Well, al Qaeda hadn't claimed any responsibility at the time of writing; the entire article other than two paragraphs of facts was various theories and posturing by "officials".

From the little I read of one translation of the Quran this morning, you can kill other muslims, unintentionally.. but you owe compensation.

Of course, all religion is so easily read to your advantage it makes no mind anyway. I'm sure the crusaders felt that slaughtering "soulless savages" wasn't really a sin either.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 11, 2003, 1:22 pm

The problem now is that the threat focus is getting muddy. Douzens of other organizations and groups are coming to the area to "fight" the Americans there, since it is the easiest place to hit them now. So the bombs that now go off don't necesarily have to be Al Qaeda, although of course I am sure Bush will say so because it simplifies the picture.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » November 11, 2003, 1:32 pm

Sueven wrote:
When we don't buy their oil anymore, their little countries will shrink into the desert and disappear.
So, with this in mind: What do you think about legislation updating our fuel-efficiency standards?

In the interest of air quality alone I support that legislation. Not to mention that it makes blatant sense to do so.

EDIT: Whether it's the current administration that goes beyond the profit machine to do what is right or some ultra leftist treehugging administration headed by Greenpeace_Activist_03 that does it, I will support updating our fuel emission standards to reasonably attainable levels.

i.e. Don't tell me that in 3 years all new cars should get at least 50mpg unless there's a way to make it happen without putting car companies out of business or increasing the cost of vehicles 200%.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » November 11, 2003, 2:05 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I am shocked over the news of Al-Quaeda bombing Saudi Arabia. ...but this was a step I did not think they would take, murdering fellow mulsims. ...Confusing right?

Let me be a little sarcastic here...

Gee, do you think that terrorists may actually only care about TERROR and POWER and not really give a shit about religion?

Gee, do you think that maybe the true believers of Islam should get off their collective asses and denounce the use of TERROR in their name?

In some circles I might be considered a Christian Fundamentalist. I truly believe that Christ is the true path. However it is critical to understand that my belief doesn't give me any excuse to violate your rights or your person.

Why do half the people on this board somehow confer or confuse granting those rights to radical middle eastern con men and camel dung salesmen?

Bonus points to the first poster who whines that Israel's treatment of Palestinians somehow equates here.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 11, 2003, 2:36 pm

Gee, do you think that terrorists may actually only care about TERROR and POWER and not really give a shit about religion?

You might think that. But you'd be wrong. They care only about punishing the enemies of Islam as they see them. Some also want the creation of Islamic states, some want the entire world converted to Islam. But if you think all they really want is power and are using the trappings of religion as a front you are very wrong.

Gee, do you think that maybe the true believers of Islam should get off their collective asses and denounce the use of TERROR in their name?

Maybe they do. Is anyone asking them? Would anyone report it if they do? I think you'd find the vast majority opposed to terrorist attacks on civilians.

In some circles I might be considered a Christian Fundamentalist. I truly believe that Christ is the true path. However it is critical to understand that my belief doesn't give me any excuse to violate your rights or your person.

There are historical examples of fundamentalist christians killing nonbelievers. There are probably nutballs who would advocate it now. Even in recent middle eastern history there have been christian massacres of nonchristians.

Why do half the people on this board somehow confer or confuse granting those rights to radical middle eastern con men and camel dung salesmen?

Bonus points to the first poster who whines that Israel's treatment of Palestinians somehow equates here.

What?

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 11, 2003, 4:36 pm

Metanis, what color is the sky in your world? Its ALL about Islam. It's what motivates them & drives them. Like tanc said, many of them feel their ultimate goal is the entire world believing in Islam.

Have you been alseep for the past two years, or just chose not to listen to the vast array of Islamic people that HAVE denounced the use of terror?

As an aside, the Koran condons the killing of non-believers, and urges not to make friends of jews & christians. Islam is a religion of peace, as often touted by our leaders, but only as long as you are a believer.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 11, 2003, 4:47 pm

Skogen wrote:As an aside, the Koran condons the killing of non-believers, and urges not to make friends of jews & christians. Islam is a religion of peace, as often touted by our leaders, but only as long as you are a believer.

no it doesn't. are you high?

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 11, 2003, 4:48 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Skogen wrote:As an aside, the Koran condons the killing of non-believers, and urges not to make friends of jews & christians. Islam is a religion of peace, as often touted by our leaders, but only as long as you are a believer.
no it doesn't. are you high?

The last one is a doozie

Sura 3: about 79 – “Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.”

Sura 4: about 91 – “Whom God leads astray, thou wilt not find for him a way. They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them, take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper …”

Sura 4: about 102 – “And when you are journeying in the land there is no fault in you that you shorten your prayer, if you fear the unbelievers may afflict you; the unbelievers are for you a manifest foe.”

Sura 5: about 56 – “O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them.

Sura 8:65 – O Prophet, urge on the believers to fight. If there be twenty of you, patient men, they will overcome two hundred; if there be a hundred of you, they will overcome a thousand unbelievers, for they are a people who understand not.”

Sura 9:29 – “Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden – such men as practice not the religion of truth … until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

Sura 9: 125 – “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness; and know that God is with the godfearing.”

Sura 47: 4-5 – “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 11, 2003, 4:59 pm

Umm not to jump on Kyoukans side here but the Christian bible states the same damn thing.

And those are not literal meanings.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 11, 2003, 5:43 pm

Cartalas wrote:Umm not to jump on Kyoukans side here but the Christian bible states the same damn thing.

And those are not literal meanings.

The trouble is there are a lot more Islamists who take passages from the Koran as literal. The Koran is undoubtly a very complex & large work. Its also not really interpreted the way the bible is, as the Koran is seen by most major muslim groups as the word of God, the original of which is written on tablets in heaven. Its believed to be the "perfect creation", and that belief is widely established.
When you combine it with ignorance, its lethal. (yeah, just like christianity too, I know.)

noel · Post by **noel** » November 11, 2003, 5:50 pm

The trouble is there are a lot more Christians who take passages from the Bible as literal. The Bible is undoubtly a very complex & large work. It's also not really interpreted the way the Koran is, as the Bible is seen by most major Christian groups as the word of God, the original of which is written on tablets in heaven. Its believed to be the "perfect creation", and that belief is widely established.
When you combine it with ignorance, its lethal. (yeah, just like islam too, I know.)

(just poking fun and making a joke)

(AND PLAGIARIZING!!! WOO WOO)

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 11, 2003, 6:10 pm

lol where the hell are you getting those koranic passages from because they are totally misleading and they are combining different unrelated passages from sura into one passage to get an entirely different meaning.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » November 11, 2003, 6:17 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:You might think that. But you'd be wrong. They care only about punishing the enemies of Islam as they see them. Some also want the creation of Islamic states, some want the entire world converted to Islam. But if you think all they really want is power and are using the trappings of religion as a front you are very wrong.

I see you are a tool.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 11, 2003, 6:17 pm

kyoukan wrote:lol where the hell are you getting those koranic passages from because they are totally misleading and they are combining different unrelated passages from sura into one passage to get an entirely different meaning.

and what makes you think this? How do you know? Are you Muslim?

noel · Post by **noel** » November 11, 2003, 6:22 pm

Metanis wrote:I see you are a tool.

Except for the fact that Tanc isn't in fact a tool...

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 11, 2003, 6:23 pm

http://www.booksmatter.com/b1592571050.htm

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » November 11, 2003, 7:49 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Metanis wrote:I see you are a tool.

Except for the fact that Tanc isn't in fact a tool...

Very cute. About what I'd expect from you.

I know you're not oblivious to the issues so what part of Tanc's crap do you support / agree?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 12, 2003, 7:26 am

Please tell me your reasoning for disagreeing with what I posted.
I gave you a well-reasoned, somewhat researched answer to your post. So far you've called what I posted "crap" and me a tool, without offering a single shred fo counterargument.

So bring it on you fucking chimp, and let's see if your Fox Education can stand the test.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 12, 2003, 8:04 am

vn_Tanc wrote:Please tell me your reasoning for disagreeing with what I posted.
I gave you a well-reasoned, somewhat researched answer to your post. So far you've called what I posted "crap" and me a tool, without offering a single shred fo counterargument.

That was his counter argument. And it was pretty much the most eloquent and well thought out one he can muster.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 12, 2003, 10:43 am

Kelshara wrote:The problem now is that the threat focus is getting muddy. Douzens of other organizations and groups are coming to the area to "fight" the Americans there, since it is the easiest place to hit them now. So the bombs that now go off don't necesarily have to be Al Qaeda, although of course I am sure Bush will say so because it simplifies the picture.

Guess it was Al Qaeda

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/ ... index.html

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » November 12, 2003, 11:41 am

Yeah I read it.. that does surprise me I must admit.