Revolutions - SPOILERS

[Akaran_D]

Do not read if you want to wait and see it in the theater.














Observations:
Still trying to place the indian dude... which bar / club was he in?

Not enough of the lovely itallian girl.

The Merovingian.. aka, Marv (grin).. he makes me wonder exactly WHAT he was in charge of before he went rogue. I do beleive he was some sort of "evil" influence in the matrix.. no idea tho.

The entire Docking Bay sequence with the Sentinels and the Drills.. anyone else feel some video game nostalagia watching them just pour firepower into unending masses of squiddies? Watching the squids kill.. that was sick. If you saw the Animatrix, the deaths are similiar.

Felt proud of the annoying kid in the second movie this time.

Neo vs Bane was sick as hell. Expecially the fatality.

Niobi is a kick-ass bitch. But I think she uploaded the Han Solo flying skillsoft somewhere in her life..

Trinity dies.. I just wanted to cry along with Neo. Her speach was moving.. felt horrible that it happened that way.

That annoying anal retentive commander of Zion lives. ><

The final Neo vs Smith fight.. that was fucking impressive, imo. Ok, I did love what he did with the place.. and the fights.. somewhere, Superman was crying in shame from the way they did it in the air.

Neo dies. I think. Given the way the oracle talked, it's hard to tell... Smith doesn't live through it either. He also gives a great performance at the end.. he realizes what's going toh appen, only too late, and at a point where even he is powerless to deal with it.

The Architect is still a annoying pain in the ass. However, I think it's very.. interesting.. to again reconsider the fact that the oracle may have been the mother of the matrix. Expecially given Smith's comment whn he confronts her.

Zion survives. Amazingly, but it survives. Neo was the ONE of the Ones, and fullfilled the prophecy.


Just overall.. wow. Loved it, thought it was great.
Wanted to cry when the heros died.. but they did their purpose.

[Adelrune Argenti]

Observations:
The entire Docking Bay sequence with the Sentinels and the Drills.. anyone else feel some video game nostalagia watching them just pour firepower into unending masses of squiddies? Watching the squids kill.. that was sick. If you saw the Animatrix, the deaths are similiar.

Great action sequence. Nothing like this has been done before. However, I did almost go into an epleptic seizure and I don't have epilepsy. Lots of flashing lights and so much going on that I couldn't process it all.

Trinity dies.. I just wanted to cry along with Neo. Her speach was moving.. felt horrible that it happened that way.

I was trying to find a way to stick a third piece of metal in her to make her die quicker. That scene was way overdone.

The final Neo vs Smith fight.. that was fucking impressive, imo. Ok, I did love what he did with the place.. and the fights.. somewhere, Superman was crying in shame from the way they did it in the air.

Dragonball Z anyone? This was again a great action scene, incredibly detailed but again, I felt I had seen this before. Much of the dialogue left me with a deja vu feeling throughout the whole movie.

[murr]

Hmm, can't say I agree with most of that.

I was very disappointed.

Unlike some people, I can see how they attempted to explain Neo's newfound powers (his connection to the source and how the One's abilities transcend the Matrix itself). I really liked the blindness aspect (although did he remind you of Illidan? rofl).

However, I for one thought the fighting SUCKED.
The Zion invasion/gunfights were retarded. All I saw were swarms of sentinels getting sprayed with gunfire (it wasn't really even obvious they were getting hit, except in a few situations), and humans in mechs gritting their teeth really hard and yelling and shit. I just wasn't very impressed - it all felt very blurred and blah to me

The Neo/Smith fight scene didn't really do much for me either, except for a few of the kungfu bits. If I wanted to see them fly around like that I'd watch fucking Dragonball Z. I was just waiting for Smith to shoot a waterball at him or some other horseshit.

And the explanation for the new Oracle was a bit stupid -- if you're going to give her a new "shell" and go to the trouble of that whole fucking explanation, why not change her appearance more? Why give her an appearance as NEARLY IDENTICAL AS POSSIBLE? Honestly I would have bought that explanation more if the Oracle turned into a Hispanic midget with a lisp.

I also felt no emotional attachment to the characters at all. This is basically how it went: Oh, Trinity died (Keanu's sobs = hacking cough).

Are EMPs one-time use? If so, WHY did the defenders have NONE in their stock, even if only as a last resort? Why would Bane let Trinity go instead of just slitting her throat and then going for the gun?

All in all Belluci's boobs were the best thing about the movie.

[Mplor]

Caught the first matinee. My take:

The docking bay made the entire movie for me. It was like someone had taken all the best epic animation and comic book action sequences and then thought, "How could I make it even cooler?"

One of my favorite moments was when Trinity and Neo break through the perpetual shroud of clouds over the planet and see the sun for the first and only time in their lives. Then, quick as that, they go down to their fates.

Hugo Weaving was exceptional, as usual. The guy playing Bane did a surprising job of mimicking Smith's peculiar inflections -- surprising because it didn't seem forced and make me think "This guy is pretending to be Smith."

Great cleavage on Monica Belucci.

When those two chicks are running around with the twin-barrel bazooka, and the gunner leans way out over the edge to shoot down at one of the diggers... great camera work!

How did Jackie Chan and Junior Miss Delhi escape the Agent Smiths?

The denouement, while appropriate for a novel, didn't work as well for this movie. George Lucas got it right with the medal ceremony at the end of Star Wars. The Wachowskis got it wrong with the Oracle and Colonel Sanders chatting it up on a park bench. The sunrise was a nice touch, but by then the thrill you got from the climax was bleeding out from every orifice and I left the theater feeling strangely let-down, even though I thought it was a pretty good movie.

Did I mention the docking bay?

Mippy

[murr]

How did Jackie Chan and Junior Miss Delhi escape the Agent Smiths?

They got 'absorbed' just like the Oracle, but when Smith was destroyed everyone reverted to normal, kind of like cleaning out a virus.

[Akaran_D]

Which does pose the theory that neo could still be conscious in the Matrix.

[Mplor]

How did Jackie Chan and Junior Miss Delhi escape the Agent Smiths?

They got 'absorbed' just like the Oracle, but when Smith was destroyed everyone reverted to normal, kind of like cleaning out a virus.

Ah. Except Neo, who got a 1.21 gigawatt enema from the Source.

[Breagen]

I'm in agreement with Murr on this one, pretty disapointing movie for me.

Seriously, how can a stream of Sentinal's like they show go right around those APU's without even touching them? Not to mention the complete lack of EMP's or similar weapons inside Zion. You would think they would keep one ship in reserve to do just what the Hammer did when it arrived at Zion.

As to the fight scenes I thought they were decent overall, and I liked that they moved away from the, IMO, cheesy CGI stuff from Reloaded mainly the Smith scene. At lest in this one they kept it to one on one so they could actually use the real actors. I still don't understand the way in some scenes Neo is made out to have almost a pre-cognition when it comes to fighting and than in others he can't even dodge half the punches thrown at him; a little more consistancy in just what Neo can and cannot do would be nice.

Overall I'd go and see it again but I still dont think it did justice to what the first movie started; I was hoping for a darker ending too not some flashback to the orgy scene in #2 and a sunrise with the Oracle and Architect chatting =/

Neo totally made me think of Illidan too with the bandana covering his eyes and all ;p

[Marbus]

My favorite part was the two chicks in the French guys bar, where the short one was about to twist the tall one's nipples off... you don't see tity-twisting like that everyday!

I thought it was ok, there were so many religious overtones and symbols it kept it interesting and the fight scenes were good, not great, but good. Think I could have done w/o that train drivers teeth though... reminded me too much of SE Arkansas

Marb

[Truant]

Which does pose the theory that neo could still be conscious in the Matrix.

the oracle even tells the little girl that they may someday see him again.


Should the peace end, and the cycle start over, it's safe to assume he would come out again.

[Sheryl]

that scene during the final smith vs neo fight, where smith is like "grr!" and grits his teeth and throws his fists in the air in a comic_book_pose, then like 3 bolts of lightning strike behind him - i bust out laughing in the middle of the theater. i couldn't relp it! >< pretty sure i embarassed tru!

[noel]

Re: The Docking Bay Scene I just kept thinking, NERF DUAL CYCLER MAX!!!

I really liked all of the religious references that they put into the movie without making it ridiculously overt. There's a lot there if you're looking for it. The scene with the lightning behind Smith was in my opinion a reference to Satan. Neo jacked into the source was a clear reference to the crucifixion.. there were many more. I'm not an overly religious guy, so I appreciated the subdued way in which they presented it.

I thought the movie was great minus a few scenes of very weak dialogue.

[Breagen]

Anyone else notice the Oracle's earings?

Looked like Yin/Yang symbols to me~

[vn_Tanc]

This film fucking ruled. Yeah a few creaky lines but all in all a lot less yap and a lot more giant robots with guns. What's not to like?

There were no EMP defenses in Zion because (as they explained in the film, ffs) all their defenses are electronic.

Belucci's tits looked waxed and polished and frankly marvellous. Not too many fights and they were better than in Reloaded. Some good gore, funny one liners, Niobi teh pwn at driving, I loved it. It kept me glues to the screen for the entire 2 hours. I don't mind philosophical yap if its kept to a reasonable level, I don't look too hard at characterization in superhero films, and I certainly don't look to blockbusters like this to reveal any truths about existence and the human condition. I go to see shit get blown up and arse to be kicked. Matrix 3 delivered.

[murr]

This film fucking ruled. Yeah a few creaky lines but all in all a lot less yap and a lot more giant robots with guns. What's not to like?

There were no EMP defenses in Zion because (as they explained in the film, ffs) all their defenses are electronic.

Belucci's tits looked waxed and polished and frankly marvellous. Not too many fights and they were better than in Reloaded. Some good gore, funny one liners, Niobi teh pwn at driving, I loved it. It kept me glues to the screen for the entire 2 hours. I don't mind philosophical yap if its kept to a reasonable level, I don't look too hard at characterization in superhero films, and I certainly don't look to blockbusters like this to reveal any truths about existence and the human condition. I go to see shit get blown up and arse to be kicked. Matrix 3 delivered.

My question was why they didn't keep at least one EMP as a "last resort" aside from the hovercrafts, but Fungul pointed out that the hovercraft EMP probably would have taken out any other EMP devices, so that's that.

I'm not saying it needed to be philosophically deep or incredibly thought provoking - I thought the action itself sucked. The mech battle was blurry and epileptic and Neo vs. Smith didn't hold a candle to some scenes in Reloaded.

[Bumbaz]

Remember at the end of Reloaded that capt had said that there was an accident, and an EMP was launched early that dissabled ALL the other ships, the Logos and the Hammer were the only two ships left. They probably didn't have any last resort EMP on base because they figured of all the hundreds of ships they had there would always be one within range to dissable any attack.

[Kluden]

I really liked it, because I went in not expecting much since part 2 did absolutely nothing for me.

I found myself wondering if the same person who wrote the lines for the first movie was the one who wrote part 3? Why do I wonder this? While the dialogue in the first movie was by no means "ultra-intellectual"... part 3 does make part 1 look like a finely written latin poem.

[Ashur]

Decent film, saw it at an IMAX in the second row, so I totaly concur with the comments on the seizure inducing flashing (which was overload during the Smith/Neo fight).

Disappointed at the ending. Neo makes a deal with the Machines and they call off the attack, for the moment. Humanity in general is left still jacked in to the Matrix as power supplies for the machines.

I was expecting/hoping for some sort of confrontation where the Machines are actually defeated and humanity is freed from "coppertop slavery". There was no reason, after Smith was defeated, to not kill the humans in Zion anyway. Why was hanging over the the Architect/Machine that made it obligated to let them live?

[Winnow]

I was trying to find a way to stick a third piece of metal in her to make her die quicker. That scene was way overdone.

lol, I thought of the English Patient scene on Seinfeld and leaned over to my friend and said, "die already!"

BTW, who the hell designed those mechanized mobile units the humans were fighting with in Zion? Tip: don't build a huge metal fighting machine and then place the human right in front with absolutely no protection.

[Ashur]

also... why did the squids feel the need to swarm in pointless orbits around the dock? To make it easier for the flak to kill them? It seems if they would have just attacked the exposed humans in thier Aliens-style loader/with gattling guns from every direction they could have defeated the humans before Neo even got to the Machine city.

[murr]

I feel like I was a bit too mean now, talked about it at lunch with friends and there were definitely parts I liked. It just could have been so much better.

If anything, it was worth it for Hugo Weaving.

You must have known I would knock away the cookies but if you knew why did you put them there!?!

[Truant]

There was no reason, after Smith was defeated, to not kill the humans in Zion anyway. Why was hanging over the the Architect/Machine that made it obligated to let them live?

Yes there was, they made a deal with Neo. Machines aren't humans, and therefore are incapable of breaking that deal without cause.

Suns and I talked about how it would have been nice to see the first fruits of human/machine cohabitation (ie clearing of the sky) but I guess the end would have drug on a bit.

[Winnow]

Suns and I talked about how it would have been nice to see the first fruits of human/machine cohabitation (ie clearing of the sky) but I guess the end would have drug on a bit.

I totally agree. I would have liked to see something with the humas seeing the real sky again. Neo and Trinity (well trinity at least) saw the sky for a brief period of time.

Also, the oracle (btw, who knows the story behind why we have a new lady playing the oracle? Original lady want too much money?) said that any human that wanted out of the Matrix could leave....does this mean that all humans were told that they were in the matrix...also...if most of the humans leave...what's going to power the matrix...sounds like another war...unless the humans help build new power supplies.

If all the humans were freed at once out of the matrix, you'd have millions or billions of weak, slimed humans with nothing to eat and no way to support themselves.

M3 was ok but I think it was thrown together and could have been much much better...Character development was non existant in the third installment.

[Sirensa]

(btw, who knows the story behind why we have a new lady playing the oracle? Original lady want too much money?)

The original lady died IRL.

[Animalor]

Character development was non existant in the third installment.

This was the 3rd episode and conclusion of the series.
Character developpment doesn't belong here.

[Akaran_D]

Yeah, the origional oracle died between the filming of 2 and 3. Was quite sad, I did miss her.

The only character development we had here was the death of two of them. The development was mostly in 1 and 2.

[Animalor]

Yeah, the origional oracle died between the filming of 2 and 3. Was quite sad, I did miss her.

The only character development we had here was the death of two of them. The development was mostly in 1 and 2.

Remember in the first what they said they did with the dead? Broke them down into nutrients to feed to the living.

Neo was probably on his way to the blender in that last scene, about to become chow for the others and spawn a new generation of "The One"'s?

You are what you eat!!

[Winnow]

(btw, who knows the story behind why we have a new lady playing the oracle? Original lady want too much money?)

The original lady died IRL.

Shame. Sorry to hear that. It did take away from the movie.

There is always a need for character development. I dont care if it's the 3rd movie or not. I didnt feel anything for the characters...maybe it's poor acting as opposed to character development. I could have cared less when Trinity died in the third movie while in the second it was a little more intense.

Morpheus barely had any lines and could have almost not even been in the movie at all. The trainman and the first hour of the movie could have been cut to 5 minutes which lead me to my original comment that movies 2 and 3 should have been combined into one movie.

I spent the first hour thinking to myself wtf is going on even after seeing the first 2 movies and then the story got back on track with the attack on Zion. The first hour seemed thrown together with the characters popping around to different places and then engaging in some psychobabble about carma and love with like 10 scenes that looked like the end of the movie with the dramatic pauses and camera angles.

Personal opinion is that it Matrix 3 was ok...the reactions of people exiting the theater were not positive or negative...just there kind of. The movie had a lot more potential.

[Cotto]

I see a comment about Neo looking OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS like Illidan. Im just wondering if anyone else noticed a few video game easter-eggs in the film.

Maybe just coincidence, but here goes.

Neo - Illidan (obvious)

Link & Z, I think it might have been too obvious had they put Link and zelda.

Anyone else see anything?

[Krimson Klaw]

You mean besides the whole Dragonball Z fight scene? I was waiting for a camahamaha wave.

[Brotha]

First off, I'm one of the few people (or atleast one of the few out of the people I know) that loved Reloaded. It surpassed my expectations and left me eagerly awaiting the third one. I'm not sure if I was just expecting more than they could possibly deliver or what, but I was very disappointed with Revolutions.

A few things:

The whole fight scene for the dock. How little thought was put into it. First off, there are 250,000 people in Zion, right? Why would there A. be only about 500 people max in those poorly designed alienesque type fighting things and B. not be thousands of people like those two chicks firing missles from every angle? Why wouldn't these machines be able to detect them as they fired two missles right at the digger, or even be able to fly right by them and not notice them over and over? As someone else pointed out, why did they fly around in circles and not just kill the defenders? It's like the same evolution that happened in Aliens. In the first one, one alien was fucking badass, just like in the first matrix just a few sentinels were ruthless, intelligent, and efficient killers. In the several alien's movies after the first one, the aliens must have somehow gotten dumber, because you saw a handful of humans taking on relatively huge numbers of aliens, same as in Revolutions with suddenly inept machines. I could go and on about how stupid and unrealistic that battle was but I'll stop here. I realize this is the matrix, a fantasy world etc etc, but if they makee an actual battle in their version of the "real world" they should atleast try to make it realistic.

The love scenes between Neo and Trinity- terrible. There were about 3-4 scenes that should have been saved for the director's cut DVD. I prefer being able to SEE that someone is willing to die for love because of good ACTING, not because of drawn out dialogue. How fake is that?

The first part of the movie where Neo was stuck in "the middle." It just didn't seem to flow for me. If you think back to the first two, every single thing they did (I'm talking about main action/story line) had direct relevance to the end goal, or some kind of purpose. This was just a complete waste of time and, like those few POS love scenes, should have been edited out for the DVD. I got the relevance of it that they threw into our faces to excuse their want to throw in 30 minutes of shit but it just didn't seem very genuine.

Are the machines going to free the people now and give up their main source of energy? If not, what was accomplished? And if they are, how can that be explained?

I did not understand how that super machine (I never heard a name for it, the big head thing with the spikes and face) killed Smith through Neo. If he could do that at anytime, why bother with Neo? Or am I reading this completely the wrong way?

Not from Revolutions but: In the first matrix, in that opening scene where Smith tells that police officer "Don't bother, your men are already dead," why didn't they just take over the police officer's bodies that were already up there with Trinity as she was fighting them?

I generally don't like to over analyze things and there are several cheesey movies that I love, but this was too much...maybe because it was such a let down for me.

Anyways, atleast I have Return of the King to look forward to .

Oh and one more thing: in the basement of that building when they did that fight scene with half the people upside down, at the very end of it why why why did they have Trinity do that dull, overused, kick where she jumped straight up and had her hands in the air (like the one from the end of karate kid)? How many times have they used that exact same move through out the series? How about some originality in the fight scenes? To me that the set the tone for how the rest of the movie would be.

[Etasi]

I both liked and was disappointed by Revolutions. Overall I think I like what they did with the story and the characters, but I feel like they could have streamlined some of the movie, and been a bit less cheesy/cliche at times. I do like that Neo didn't save the whole world and destroy all the machines, but instead brought about a truce, and I'm glad they felt like they didn't have to be cheesy with that part of the story.

Are the machines going to free the people now and give up their main source of energy? If not, what was accomplished? And if they are, how can that be explained?

No, they're not going to free everyone, but as the Oracle says, "those who wish to be freed" will be freed, as guaranteed by the Architect. There's no way Zion could support everyone who's currently in the Matrix, and furthermore, some people would be happier living in the Matrix than living in the real world.

That doesn't mean nothing was accomplished, though. Less is accomplished than the ending of the first movie might lead you to expect, but the truce between humans and machines is still pretty huge. It fundamentally alters the existence of both groups.

At first I found it a bit hard to reconcile the end of the first movie with the end of the third, but the more I think about it, the more I like what they did with Neo's character. I'm glad he didn't turn out to be the savior of the world (at least not in the most obvious sense). When the first movie ends, you think Neo's going to save all of humanity and destroy the machines completely. But by the end of the third, you realize that he's lucky to even be able to save Zion at all, and it's only by some fluke that he could do that much. And yet through the course of the trilogy you come to respect Neo more, not less, even though what he accomplishes is much less than you'd expected.

I did not understand how that super machine (I never heard a name for it, the big head thing with the spikes and face) killed Smith through Neo. If he could do that at anytime, why bother with Neo? Or am I reading this completely the wrong way?

Not really sure on that one either, but I'd imagine it has something to do with how the "essence" of a person still exists in Smith even after he takes over their matrix-body. Most people aren't strong enough to have any effect on Smith, but the Oracle was able to manipulate Smith, so it makes sense that Neo could have an effect on Smith as well. Perhaps there was no way for the machines to get "inside" Smith's code without being connected to a human that's been taken over by Smith.

[Cotto]

I think the whole Big machine killing Smith thing came from what the Oracle said.

She stated that Smith existed because Neo did, much like an equation, it has to balace out. Thus when Neo essentially killed himself (kinda by letting Smith kill him) the equation was no longer balanced.
Now a new Smith is in Neo's body, and therefore, Neo's brain (much like Bane).

So either Smith was destroyed because he was no longer required for the equation. Or all Smiths are linked, thus by killing Neo-Smith, all Smiths die.

my head hurts, im going back to sleep.

[Marbus]

The big machine didn't kill Smith... When Smith said "Everything that has a beginning has an end" (in the tone of the Oracle I might add) Neo realized that while they became part of the Smith progam he couldn't completely control all of them. Neo became part of that program and like a virus destroyed it from the inside...

Or symbollically, the Jews were looking for a Warrior King who would drive out the Romans and bring back the glory of Isreal. However Jesus knew that wasn't the way to true peace. True peace was internal so he died to clense us in the spirit as Neo died to clense the "spirit" of the matrix from the evil that was smith (they actually called him "evil" a couple of times. I particularly enjoyed the "crucified" Neo look with the arms all stretched out. The fight with Smith is the crucifixion. Neo becomes evil from good in order to destroy or forgive it...

Marb

[noel]

I agree with Marb 100% about the symbolics of that scene. but I'd further add that by Neo essentially sacrificing himself for all humans in his fight with Smith, 'The Source' then had direct access to Smith, and was able to 'correct the equation' for lack of a better term.

Huge symbolism between the two scenes that were going on simultaneously.

[Etasi]

When Neo-Smith dies, the real Neo's body is infused with orange light, the light we've come to associate with the Source. Thus I think it's implied that part of what kills Smith is the power of the Source.

The connection between Smith and Neo that the Oracle discusses is the only thing she ever says that's difficult to fully understand even after the fact. In the past, what the Oracle has said to the characters has directly translated into future plot points. But the whole speech about "balancing the equation" really doesn't lead the plot where you'd expect. The only way for that to really be true is if Neo's death, any death, leads to Smith's death. Why is it that Smith cannot die until he takes over Neo, and Neo "dies" (and, with the Oracle's talk of possibly seeing Neo again, I don't know that we can even assume that Neo, or at least his mind, is truly dead. She could be talking about a future One, but then again, she might not be)?

What isn't clear to me is this: Neo is the only one able to kill Smith, but is it because there's something exceptional about him (i.e. his mind and/or his connection to the Source) that makes Neo-Smith different from all the other Smiths and therefore the only Smith able to kill all the other Smiths; or is it simply because he's the only human capable of getting to the machine city, and once he gets there, it doesn't matter who he is, the machines just needed some human to be able to get inside Smith?

I don't think the movie gives you an answer either way. You can argue that events prior to Neo's death make one of the aformentioned cases more likely than the other, but ultimately I think you're left to decide for yourself. Personally, I like the idea that in the end it's simply Neo's humanity (and the fact that he's willing to choose death to save everyone else) that saves the rest of humankind, rather than the fact that he's 'special' somehow.

[Ashur]

Yes there was, they made a deal with Neo. Machines aren't humans, and therefore are incapable of breaking that deal without cause.

I call bullshit. The Machines were perfectly capable of breaking that deal after Neo died and it makes zero sense that, after seeking the total annihalation of free humans, they would back down because one of them helped them defeat a virus in thier energy supply.

Yeah, it's a movie and all, but I'd have rather seen a better denouement.

EDIT: I think my prefered ending would be one where Neo merges with the Source and becomes some sort of benevolent force in the Matrix working with the free humans in Zion to free the minds of the "prisoners of the Matrix" in preparation for freeing thier bodies in the real world. One of those "It's the start of a long road to recovery" sort of endings... somewhat cliche' but nonetheless a clear ending instead of this bullshit one. Well, the current one leaves room for sequels...

[noel]

I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but I wish I could write as well as this guy..

Great, great review.

[Pahreyia]

Bravo Aranuil. Good call on that review.

[Etasi]

That review was worth reading just for the Harry Knowles-bashing.

[Marbus]

Damn fine review!

[Xzion]

so many fuck ups in this movie that made no sence

notice in the 1st matrix when there were like 3 sentenels behind morpheous's ship that was a "oh shit were gonna die" situation

in this one, theres at least 100 of them on naobis ship and they pulled that off like almost nothing...same deal with the agents in the second one (not just with neo)

That one arab-asian-black-white-hawaiian guy at the dock(no idea what race he was) was the last dude left alive, blowing the shit out of sentenels while at least 500 of them were just jacking off flying around randomly, but when those 2 lesbians shot a missle at one, all of them in the area would chase them down

and notice that converstation between neo and the oracle, the oracle took like 15 minutes to tell him absolutly fucking nothing, the conversation was something along the lines of
"what will happen" "you will know when it happens, if you choose too" "what do you see" "i see nothing,becouse you see nothing" "so what the fuck will happen" "you will know what happens if something happens, or if nothing happens you may see what will happen if that actually happens" "oh, ok my path is now clear"
everyone started cracking up in the theatre at that cheesy speach trinity gave before she died, at the end i was saying "go ahead and fucking die already, hurry that shit up

they should have cut it off at the first one..

[Keverian FireCry]

It was..."ok". Graphics and Agent Smith were the just about the only good things about it, but they were really awesome.

Neo bores me to hell because he is too flawless, Trinity death scene was horrible, the 16 year old kid in zion and Link's wife shouldnt have been there. They should have focused more on Morpheus rather than add 2 cheesy ass characters.

By the end of this movie I didnt really give a shit what happened to Zion cause nothing was fucking resolved anyhow. WTF is supposed to happen. Humans still live in a fucking dump and have jack shit resources to live on and with more and more being released from the Matrix they are just going to run out of room and die. Fuck that why the hell didnt they all stay in the Matrix in the beggining and live peacefully.
Oh yeah they are "free", free to do what, live shittily in the sewers of the world? Sorry, but Seifer was right in the first movie. Sometimes, "truth" isn't fucking worth it =p.

[Pahreyia]

Just got back from watching it, and I really enjoyed it.

I want to reply with my opinion on so much that was stated already, but I'll limit it to what my friend and I argued about for an hour after leaving the theater. The scene in the dock with the Sentinels flying in randome directions while the guys in the mechas dropped them like raid on an ant trail.

Here's what I think: Setting aside the director's need to fill time and create the impression of a full scale epic battle sequence, the sentinels were drawing fire off of the drills.

With Zion being a vertical shaft, and the sentinels not being able to rely on taking the fight to the tunnels and shafts that were already existing, the main focus of their forces were in the ability of the drill-bots to drill through to the living levels/temple levels of Zion. By swarming and flying in targetable streams, the humans would be more likely to concentrate their fire on taking out as many sentinels as they could, thinking that they were making a difference. The sentinels would pop off a mecha or two here and there to make the humans think that they were actually making a difference. This left the drill-bots relatively untouched to go about their drilling operation. The few sentinals that surrounded the drill bots were there merely as cover in case of attack, as we saw when Link's wife and her friend were popping rockets down into the core of the drill.

Again, ignoring the need for the directors to actually show a fight taking place and not a two minute massacre.... The sentinals couldn't just eradicate the forces in the dock in one fell swoop because of the fanatical offensive approach of the humans. With one drill already disabled by a rocket sniper team, and their last hope for a quick end to the battle chugging away at the separation between the dock and the living level, the sentinals kept people from kamikazeing their mechas into the drill's core, or having a stream of infantry troops doing suicide drops into the core armed with grenades, machine guns, rockets, whatever. It kept people fighting against the shit they had more than enough of, without drawing attention to the siege engine that was about to pull a trojan horse on them.

Overall, I think it wrapped things up well. Keanu was a little more melodramatic in this one than the previous, but that's okay. He's been typecasted for that kind of a role, and it's fitting.

Oh, and if you want another easter egg, watch when Morpheus and Trinity are chasing the trainmaster whatever guy through the station. Check the billboards. There's a billboard talking about Tasty Wheat. Which most people should remember from Mouse's little philosophical discussion in the original Matrix.

EDIT: Oh, Hugo Weaving... Nomination, Best Supporting Actor. Damn he was good in the last fight scene.

[Breagen]

Well I ended up seeing this a second time earlier today and I have to say, I as much if not more disapointed than the first time I watched it.

I should point out that I don't think Reloaded was very good either, although it did have its redeeming moments. Revolutions on the other hand had its only possible redemption through Mr. Smith and unfortunatly it wasnt enough IMO.

When it comes down to it I think what I can't stand most about Revolutions, and Reloaded to some extent, is just how much it has changed since the first film. For me Matrix 1 was pretty much perfect for what was intended by it, I could have seen it and been happy without ever seeing a sequel for it because it was that good.

As various people have pointed out there are numerous parts in Revolutions that could be pulled almost exactly from the Bible like the 'crucifixtion' scene at the end for example. The problem I have with this is not so much the fact that they have religious connotations in the film, but the fact that it has become so completely blatent as opposed to the almost sublime way that it was done in the first film. Not to mention that the first film could have applied to any number of different religions whereas Revolutions sticks to a almost completly Christan or close offshoot religon.

The other part of Revolutions that really bugged me was the lack of plausability and tension for the most part. When I watched the first Matrix I was on the edge of my seat for the most part because I never knew just what would happen next...I mean when you see the showdown between Neo and Smith in the subway station you don't think "OK so I wonder how Neo is going to kick his ass" but rather "Damm Neo is getting his ass kicked." In Revolutions is there really any doubt in your mind that the Hammer is going to make it Zion in time to trigger its EMP? Or for instance whether Bane will really manage to kill Neo?

It was the way that you never really knew what was coming next in the first movie that made it so great for me. Watching Revolutions I could sit there and tell the person beside me what would happen in the next 5 minutes with a high amount of accuracy and I think thats where Revolutions really failed, it was just too formulaic and inconsistant with the first movie in particular. The entire Zion defense scene is exactly the kind of worthless implausible crap they should have cut from the movie. Partly just because when I watch it I don't think about the people being killed, as hundreds if not thousands must have been; but rather I think about the massive amount of CGI involved in making the scence because there has been virtually nil time put into developing some kind of connection with the people in Zion. And secondly because when I watch it the only other thing I think about is how incredibly moronic these super advanced AI's are when it comes to fighting, not that the humans were any better...

Of course most of my friends think that I am always overly critical of any movie so who knows...

[Dregor Thule]

As with all movies, it won't please everyone. I'm just happy I was pleased with this trilogy. Was the movie perfect? Of course not. There were scenes that could have been cut, scenes done differently, a few cheesy lines of dialogue, and some overly-convenient plot elements. But there was also amazing visuals, things flowed really well (except for the Trinity death scene... Longest.. death scene.. ever!), and I was amazed at the end when I looked down at my watch and saw it had been 2 hours already. It flowed a lot better than Reloaded (which I also liked!).

As for Smith and his death, I think Neo was a link for the Source to disinfect the Smith virus. The Neo-Smith is obviously surprised about what is happening to him when he goes all supernova, so he really did absorb Neo, but that would be undone with the death of Smith. Did Neo die? That's left pretty open-ended, which is kind of annoying, but if it was firmly stated whether or not he was alive or dead at the end people would just complain about that too, regardless.

I think I remember the Indian guy from Reloaded, when Neo, Morpheus and Trinity are walking into the restaurant area to the Mirovingian's table, the Indian guy is sorta scampering out and passes them. I'd have to watch it again tho.

[Keverian FireCry]

I think I remember the Indian guy from Reloaded, when Neo, Morpheus and Trinity are walking into the restaurant area to the Mirovingian's table, the Indian guy is sorta scampering out and passes them. I'd have to watch it again tho.

Indeed, that is the scene.

[Keverian FireCry]

I find it rediculous how Neo figured out that the Oracle could talk through Smith when he said "Every beginning has an end." But Neo could not figure out Bane was Smith after 5 minutes of talking to him. Some of this movies writing was so sad. I wonder if its hollywood fucking over good writing, or the writing is just that bad.

[Dregor Thule]

I guess it was supposed to be such an outrageous concept for Smith to be in the real world that we were supposed to believe it took Neo that long to click.. but seriously, as soon as he said Mr. Anderson it was blatant.

[Xzion]

In that review aranoul posted that guy had a good point
"The machines can build everything except nuclear power plants, it seems"
woudlnt it have been that much easier to drop a few nukes on zion?