Son of a .........

Mort · Post by **Mort** » September 24, 2003, 1:10 pm

I am starting to really hate those fuckers in black robes.

Federal Court Rules against National Do Not Call List.... WTF?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... Not%20Call

Post by **Sylvus** » September 24, 2003, 1:12 pm

The telemarketing industry estimates that the do-not-call list could cut its business in half, costing it up to $50 billion in sales each year.

What assholes are spending $100 billion a year on those bastards and not just hanging up on them? I have never bought anything from a telemarketer, ever. No wonder this is a problem.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 24, 2003, 1:14 pm

You would think the marketers would see the list as a tool, not a threat.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » September 24, 2003, 1:40 pm

It's gotten so f'ing annoying up here now that I hang up on charitable organisations that call now too.

This chick the other day was in the middle of a "thank you for your support" greeting when I just hung up on her.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » September 24, 2003, 1:52 pm

The telemarketing industry estimates that the do-not-call list could cut its business in half, costing it up to $50 billion in sales each year.

Hello Morons... if they don't want to be called.. guess what.. you probably weren't going to sell them your shit in the first place.

You would think this would be an incredible boon to the telemarketers.... You get a FREE list of people that you don't have to waste time and resources on calling.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 24, 2003, 2:53 pm

It didn't look legal, and wasn't enforceable regardless.

Congrats to all of you who signed up for it, that information will become public soon.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 24, 2003, 3:03 pm

I hope it does get overturned. I keep my own list of who calls and who I am talking to when I tell them to remove me from their list of people to call. From now on after October 1, I will have a lawyer contact each organization that calls me after my removal request to inform them of the charges for harrassment. It always helps to record each call you receive from those clowns as well for backing up your claims in court.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 24, 2003, 3:06 pm

Aabidano wrote:It didn't look legal, and wasn't enforceable regardless.

Congrats to all of you who signed up for it, that information will become public soon.

Well it's not totally dead yet.

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., said Wednesday they were confident the ruling would be overturned and believe Congress did give the FTC the necessary authority.

As far as the information goes, it was just your name and phone number. I don't think address was required.

What makes you think it wasn't enforceable?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 24, 2003, 4:00 pm

Sylvus wrote:What assholes are spending $100 billion a year on those bastards and not just hanging up on them? I have never bought anything from a telemarketer, ever. No wonder this is a problem.

There would not be a telemarketing industry if it wasn't effective.

It is getting out of control though. I have an unlisted number and I still get 10-12 telemarketing calls a week thanks to random dial sheets. Most of them are from charities I have given to in the past who thank you for your contribution by placing your phone number on a "harrass at least once per day" list.

I'm pretty sure different charities share phone numbers of contributors with each other as well because I realized after the fact that my telemarketing spam from charities at least tripled like a month after I gave to one.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » September 24, 2003, 5:37 pm

Caller ID is your friend. Whenever an "Unavailable" call shows up, I just pick up the phone then hang up. I don't even wait to see who it is anymore.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » September 24, 2003, 5:44 pm

Vetiria wrote:Caller ID is your friend. Whenever an "Unavailable" call shows up, I just pick up the phone then hang up. I don't even wait to see who it is anymore.

Aye i will never go without caller ID...ever..

Privacy Manager works extremely well also.. especially if the service that requires a code be entered by the caller to even make your phone ring is available in your area...

as the person who runs an automated dialer for a collections dept the one thing we hate is Privacy Manager.. its about impossible to get past it.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 24, 2003, 5:47 pm

Yeah, anytime I get a "Unknown Caller" I pick up the phone say fuck off and hang up.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 24, 2003, 8:58 pm

Not the judge's fault. He simply made the decision that the orginization that made the ruling did not have authority to do so. Well, that's Congress' fuck-up, not his. Like they said, they will fix it.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 24, 2003, 9:26 pm

Seems the US Congress is introducing a two sentence bill tomorrow giving the FDA the right to create a no-call list. Kinda funny.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 24, 2003, 9:29 pm

Forthe wrote:Seems the US Congress is introducing a two sentence bill tomorrow giving the FDA the right to create a no-call list. Kinda funny.

FTC not FDA I'm guessing!

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 24, 2003, 9:38 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Forthe wrote:Seems the US Congress is introducing a two sentence bill tomorrow giving the FDA the right to create a no-call list. Kinda funny.
FTC not FDA I'm guessing!

You are correct.

Anyway I just heard the congressman on the TV (playing in the background) discussing it about an hour ago.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 24, 2003, 10:47 pm

Forthe wrote: Anyway I just heard the congressman on the TV (playing in the background) discussing it about an hour ago.

You sir, should be listening to Hockey, not news~

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 24, 2003, 11:06 pm

Toshira wrote:
Forthe wrote: Anyway I just heard the congressman on the TV (playing in the background) discussing it about an hour ago.
You sir, should be listening to Hockey, not news~

eek

I can't help it. I'm like the worst news addict

. Drives the woman nuts.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 24, 2003, 11:52 pm

if telemarketing is to be allowed, they should have to pay the phone companies money for using their services.

it's like advertising, with no overhead. We're paying for the maintenance of our phonelines in our house...but they call, unsolicited and use our phones more than we do. That just doesn't seem right to me.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » September 25, 2003, 12:16 am

I just canned my landline in favor of my practically unlimited cell. Best part about the cell? It's illegal to make telemarketing calls to a cellular number.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 25, 2003, 1:08 am

Vaemas wrote:I just canned my landline in favor of my practically unlimited cell. Best part about the cell? It's illegal to make telemarketing calls to a cellular number.

indeed!

I don't use the phone that much, and pay less for a cell phone than I would with a land line.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 25, 2003, 8:42 am

What amazes me is that junk faxes were quickly made illegal due to the expense placed on the consumer. Spam remains quasi legal in most places, at a much, much greater expense.

Telemarketing calls remain legal, at much greater net costs to everyone involved.

I will never purchase anything from a telemarketer, or donate to a charitable organization that uses telemarketers. Or purchase any services from a company that calls me telemarketing.

You need my phone number for warranty tracking? OK, it's 999-999-9999.

I saw something on the hit rate required to make it profitable, for tele it was something like 1 in 100, spammers only need 1 in 5000.

That said, I get maybe one or two calls a month on a bad month. Usually none.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » September 25, 2003, 10:34 am

I donated to a group because I liked what they were fighting for. At the next election though they sponsored the guy I hated the most. They have called a couple times since that election and I tell them straight up that since they supported that jackass that they will never get any of my money again. They have absolutely no argument and they have stopped pestering me after the second call.

The worst telemarketers in my opinion is my fucking home mortgage company. They keep calling trying to sell me fucking insurance for my fucking refrigerator. The fuckers won't take a hint and call at least twice a week.

In general, I never answer my phone. I have an answering machine and screen everything. Just because you own a phone doesn't mean you have to answer it. Most of the time I don't feel like talking to anyone anyway. I have my name listed backwards in teh phone book so if they ask for Mr. Robert, then I know right away it was the phone company selling my shit again and I tell them no thanks and hang up.

valryte · Post by **valryte** » September 25, 2003, 12:06 pm

if telemarketing is to be allowed, they should have to pay the phone companies money for using their services

Umm, LD calls are not free. They do pay to make those calls.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 25, 2003, 1:32 pm

I only got a phone line because I need teh DSL. I don't even have a phone plugged in. My cell is more than enough for everything else.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » September 25, 2003, 2:02 pm

valryte wrote:
if telemarketing is to be allowed, they should have to pay the phone companies money for using their services
Umm, LD calls are not free. They do pay to make those calls.

Not anymore. Phone companies are now offering plans for businesses of a flat rate per month. They don't have to pay per call anymore.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 25, 2003, 3:32 pm

I dont need the Federal Gov't to protect me from the evil telemarketing Co's. My Caller ID does...If I dont know it, I dont answer it. And yes many share list.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 25, 2003, 3:58 pm

masteen wrote:I only got a phone line because I need teh DSL. I don't even have a phone plugged in. My cell is more than enough for everything else.

I opted to go with cable just to keep it on the same bill. That and DSL is completely overpriced here and they don't even have ADSL yet. (can't even imagine the payment on that)

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 25, 2003, 4:12 pm

A hardwired phone line and a non-cordless phone is at the top of my counties hurricane\emergency preparedness list. Right next to drinking water in fact. Living in a coastal are where I do, it would be foolish to go strictly wireless.

A landline is a basic neccesity, no matter where you live in case of emergencies. Cellular service does not provide the same (99.9999% uptime) level of reliability, and won't for a number of years, if ever.

I think it's irresponsible of the wireless providers to tout it as "The only line you need".