UN votes to lift sanctions against Libya

[Krimson Klaw]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/09 ... index.html

Another one I agree with. The vote was 13-0 to lift. Hate them all you want, but Libya has made progress over the past decade. France and America both abstained from the vote, I dont have a reason for the US, but France had to do with Libya paying restitution to the families of the infamous pan am flight that they took responsibility for destroying.

[kyoukan]

The vote was largely symbolic anyway. The sanctions themselves have been suspended for about 4 years.

I think Qadhafi has definitely made some strides to clean up Libya's image and I think he is sincere about his desire to reform himself and his government, but I would feel more comfortable if he stepped down and let someone else lead. Libya is a fairly oil rich nation and the people are fairly progressive and moderate for african muslims, but I think that their reputation will always proceed them as long as Qadhafi remains as leader. If he really has Libya's best interests in mind, he should _at leaset_ democratize the leadership and let Libyans select their own leader (Libya does have free elections but Qadhafi is the defacto head of government).

There are so few african countries that actually function properly. Libya is a good example of one that could.

[Skogen]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/09 ... index.html

Another one I agree with. The vote was 13-0 to lift. Hate them all you want, but Libya has made progress over the past decade. France and America both abstained from the vote, I dont have a reason for the US, but France had to do with Libya paying restitution to the families of the infamous pan am flight that they took responsibility for destroying.

France signed there own agreement with Lybia on compensation for the victims families of a copycat attack a year later than Lockerbie, the French UTA crash in 1989. Then, the Lybians sign another agreement with the victims of the Lockerbie attack for more money. So France renegs on their signed agreement, and demands the same compensation the Lockerbie victims families got.

[Kylere]

Amazing what UN sanctions in conjunction with us laughing at his line of death and utterly removing any of his mil assets can do when a mildly sane leader is involved.

Then there was a guy named Saddam...

[kyoukan]

what the hell does that even mean? are you drunk?

[Boogahz]

Qadafi (sp) basically urged the US to come attack him from what I recall, and so we bombed his military assets during the Reagan era. At least I think that's what Kylere is referring to.

[vn_Tanc]

You actually bombed his house and killed his daughter if I remember correctly, but whatever.

Another "pariah state" coming in from the cold can only be a good thing. If it pisses off the french well that's just a bonus

[Boogahz]

I was just trying to translate what Kylere said.

As far as I can remember it was a tent in the friggin desert that they said he was in (which even as a child I didn't understand), but yes a member of his family was killed/injured/maimed/raped/targetted/etc.

See the period . in my last post? You can still read after that. You really don't have to stop at the .

[vn_Tanc]

Yep I read that I was just offering some more detail on these "military assets" Kylere was crowing about.

BTW:

As far as I can remember it was a tent in the friggin desert that they said he was in (which even as a child I didn't understand), but yes a member of his family was killed/injured/maimed/raped/targetted/etc

Nope it was the main presidential palace in Tripoli. Just clearing that up
Edit: I'm not anti-american and this isn't america-bashing. The reason the incident is so well known here is that Thatcher controversially allowed US planes stationed in the UK to fly the mission.

[Boogahz]

Like I said, I was just trying to remember what I watched on TV explaining this a while back. I haven't bothered to do much research beyond some of the reparations they have offered. That is a hell of a lot more than I thought they would ever do, even with the first settlement. This is something that no other country that I can think of in recent times has come out and done because of something they had done and been punished for. From all that I have read, this was their idea as well (not that the sanctions might not have helped). That is a plus in my book.

I remembered something about a tent (remember all of the televised "smart bombs" from Desert Storm? This was like that) and them saying that there were no military assets there. That's the only reason I brought that up. Personally from what I see is that it was just a couple strikes to show we were "serious" and that was it.

[Kylere]

I didn't specify anymore because people who are not suffering brain injuries have a memory that includes real history, not just what they want to believe.

We had to bomb Libya, and we did fly partially from the UK, of course the assholes in France made us fly around their shitty little nation.

[masteen]

It's pretty fucking sad that Lybia has now contributed more to the mid East peace process than Israel.

[Skogen]

It's pretty fucking sad that Lybia has now contributed more to the mid East peace process than Israel.

No fucking shit on that one!! I think Sharon is mostly to blame on that one.

Can you imagine the shit-storm that will rise if he tries to expell Arafat, and kills him?

[Boogahz]

As much as I can understand the Israeli's claim to the land that "we" gave them in the mid-twentieth century, they have done more IMHO to delay any chance at peace in the middle-east than even we have.