Elk Hunting info?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 6, 2003, 8:21 pm

Any Elk hunters out there? I will be moving to the Portland, OR area imminently and figure to get in on the '04 Rocky Mtn elk season. I know the huntable terrain varies greatly from West to East Oregon, but I figure I would keep as close to home as possible around the NW coastal region.

I guess it would be best for my first hunt to find a decently-priced outfitter/guide in order to get a good feel of the area, etc.

Also, when it comes to caliber... today at a gun shop, I given recommendations of 30-06, .300 Mag, .338 Mag. Well, all are hard hitters, with the 30-06 being the most versatile for different species (elk, deer, bear, etc) with the .338 being the hardest hitter.

For the rifles, I looked at a beautiful BAR .338 and a nice Winchester Model 70 .300 short action magnum. The BAR was nice, but I figure I will want a synthetic stock for its low weight and weather handling ability...

Anyways, still a long time off, but I am looking forward to moving to Oregon so much, etc... any tips?

thanks!

Phugg_Innay · Post by **Phugg_Innay** » September 6, 2003, 9:05 pm

I have lived in oregon for 12 years.I have only seen elk but once.Some tips as you asked.Always wear bright orange clothing.Camo is always a bad idea and its also a good way to get shot.Elk as well as deer see black and white so there is no practical reason to wear camo.

If your going elk hunting for the purpose of meat.Riping the skin off in elk almost takes a truck.Also cutting the throat removing the orgons lungs stomach guts etc.Is pretty damn nasty.

Being paicent slow and quiet are a must.Also make sure you get the shot off while there eating.If they get spooked they will start running like mad making the shot really hard.

The one time I did see a elk was when I went hunting with my brothers and dad. my dad shot it and it ran with a gaping wound for a mile and a half.So get a good clean shot that drops it fast.Shooting it while its running also make the meat gamey.

Remeber people get very stupid while hunting.Safety is a must.For example my friend had a dairy ranch.During hunting season he painted his cows in bright orange COW DONT SHOOT.The next morning after the first day of hunting season the cow was dead with a bullet it wound in its head.

So be smart Adino phuggs friend

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 6, 2003, 9:18 pm

Hehe, yeah. Lot's of poor hunters around. Safety is always the key! As I am generally a bird hunter, big game herbivores will be a new experience. Aside from the standard hunter safety practices, many other factors also come into play, of course.

I do know to get a shot in its shoulder to incapacitate it quickly... so... a heavy caliber will be required to penatrate hide, bone and vitals...

Also, I don't plan on ever hunting while drunk, so I think I can tell the difference between an elk and an ORANGE COW!!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 6, 2003, 10:08 pm

Don't shoot animals in the wild; it's inhumane.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 6, 2003, 10:21 pm

kyoukan wrote:Don't shoot animals in the wild; it's inhumane.

I don't know many zoos with Elk...

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » September 7, 2003, 12:17 am

Deer, Elk, or Caribou cooked by someone who knows what they are doing...is the best meat you will ever have.

Canoe · Post by **Canoe** » September 7, 2003, 12:43 am

hoook up with me in game cane - will give you my ph # we can talk about this

my fam been elk hunting for years (in colorado not oregan) - but can still give you general tips.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 7, 2003, 1:43 am

oh my, phone cyber!

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 7, 2003, 2:00 am

Phugg_Innay wrote:I have lived in oregon for 12 years.I have only seen elk but once.Some tips as you asked.Always wear bright orange clothing.Camo is always a bad idea and its also a good way to get shot.Elk as well as deer see black and white so there is no practical reason to wear camo.

Actually wear orange camo, while deer and elk only see black and white they see shades. There are no solids in nature, hence camo, whatever the color, breaks up your outline and allows you to blend in, solid orange and you stick out like a sore thumb.

As for guns, I prefer the 30 odd for the versatility, but then again, I can only afford so many guns.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 10:32 am

It's a hell of a lot more humane that making one stand in a feed lot ankle deep in it's own shit for months to fatten em for slaughter.

Let me see if I can find a rifle hunter up there to put you in touch with, Canno. Everyone I can think of off the top of my head hunts with a bow. They would be more likely to try and convert you than give you advice.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 2:51 pm

Thanks for the info yall. Yes, while deer/elk are B&W vision animals, orange mossy breakup and other pattern breaking patterns are best.

Falla- Thanks! I do watch many bowhunting shows, but I like the rifle!

Canoe - Sounds good bud, will talk to you about this! (Cyber costs extra)

Also, I spoke with an outfitter in OR. She called me and was giving me lots of great info.....

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 7, 2003, 4:35 pm

whats funny is when hunters wear bright orange vests, as they should obviously, all there other clothes are Camo, what the fucks the point of wearing any camo when you have a bright orange vest on lol

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 7, 2003, 4:38 pm

bow hunting is even more gay than using a rifle. why don't you just burn the whole fucking forest down and kill all the animals at once. that's pretty manly. then you can enjoy a couple dozen frosty pabst blue ribbons and go home and beat the shit out of your wives.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » September 7, 2003, 5:24 pm

Another overblown sterotype.

There are a lot more hunters that work towards conservation than there are the sterotypical "beer drinking redneck hunter".

But once again, someone's prejudice against anything other than their own point of view rears it's ugly head.

I personally have donated land to Ducks Unlimited and the state I live in for a water fowl preservation area where oddly enough hunting isn't allowed at all. Hunters worked towards conservation long before it was fashionable.

The encroachment of urban sprawl does more damage to wildlife than any hunter ever did, including the type you apparently assume all of us to be, Kyoukan.

Phugg_Innay · Post by **Phugg_Innay** » September 7, 2003, 5:36 pm

Kyo go hug some trees get the splinters , and we can only pray someone mistakes you for the animal being hunted. You are obviousy cluesless in this area. I would have to say that about 90% of the hunting is the us is "tag based" meaning that the number of animals killed is being regulated. There is a reason for this , its called "thinning the herd". Anyone who has ever researched the subject would know this. It is appernet that you DID NOT . and so you are at about the same respect level on this topic as say .. P Diddy .. so kindly keep your posts in some sort of relevance to what is going on , or like I suggested , go hug a try and get some good splinters.

Uninformed people like you are the reason all the true enviromentalists are given a bad name. Yes there are whackos in every group. The extreme stupidity and ignorance is amazing. I worked on an island offshore of So Cal for 4 years. It has the largest piniped population in the western hemisphere. (go look up pinipeds , they are seals and the like) I got to see first hand how a "TRUE enviromentalist" works. These people know the balance of how things work , and try to help that balance. I also got to see the exreme angle of this. The case in point was a DoD test where 10k lbs were being detonated off the side of a ship. The extreme side of the house was argueing that in this test they would have to be sure that no mamals got killed , they could care friggin less about all the other sea life that was there. Now you tell me if that is OK in your book. Hmm total fucking hypocracy is what it is. Thats enough on this I cant prove my point to someone who cant even see the other side of a discussion. If its not MY way its wrong type of person.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 6:07 pm

Hehe, Kooky is just fucking around. She is all hick baby!

And yes, most hunters are very much into land and environmental conservation. Believe it or not, the majority of hunters are more environmental-aware than your average liberal....while we may not be protesting on some oil rig, we do our best to not impact the land that we hunt on.

But this is not about some political dispute. I am simply trying to gain more insight on how I can be successful in the harvest in the '04 season....

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 7:22 pm

Tell me all about the poor disadvantaged animals. I'm sure you watched a Disney movie at some point and consider yourself an expert.

I despise armchair environmentalists. Here's a hint. Drinking green tea once a week and paying extra for a license plate with a pretty bird on it don't mean you know dick.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 7, 2003, 7:24 pm

imho the only "manly" way to hunt would be with a knife vs an alligator in your back yard or a Kattana against a rhino, etc
maybe a gun against a 45 foot tall acid spitting dinosaur, besides that i dont see any reason to hunt unless you have a small penis, but all to ones own

Neost · Post by **Neost** » September 7, 2003, 7:30 pm

As opposed to people who sit and post on a message board bitching about other people's likes and have no penis?

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 7, 2003, 7:32 pm

opposed to those that sit and post on a messageboard that never get vagina bitching about people bitching about other peoples likes ?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 7:33 pm

City folk.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 8:41 pm

Fallanthas wrote:City folk.

Too bad patchuli oil ain't flammable....

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 7, 2003, 9:49 pm

who said anything about conservation?

hunting is for fags because shooting innocent animals with big ass rifles or $700 compound bows that a 5 year old girl could draw is a "sport" for cowards and pussies. go play darts if you want to brag about your aim. if you do it in a pub, you'll still get to sit on your ass and drink beer, just like a real hunter!

but as an aside, I'm more aware of environmental issues than everyone else on this thread fucking combined. I GAVE TO DUCKS UNLIMITED TOO. I AM THE REAL ENVRONMENTALIST NOT YOU FAGS. Fucking yankees trying to teach me about conservation. I'll have you all shot!

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 9:59 pm

Bitch, when you can carve your own bow, fletch your own arrows and use them to feed yourself you can speak. Until then crawl back into your hole and go back to chocking on your city stink.

I've served on my states conservation advisory commitee for six years, spent more time watching wildlife than you have staring at your diminuitive navel, contributed to more studies for the preservation of BOTH wildlife and habitat than you waste on Pepcid in a year.

You know shit.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 10:12 pm

/hugs Kooky.

Hunting isn't about that. It is about enjoying nature--at dawn, at dusk. Seeing the glassy lake, the shimmer of the snow kissing off the peak at the turn of winter.

The sound of an elk, bugling in the distance--the flutter of a quail's wings, as it frantically escapes the rogue dog.

It is about friends, shooting things to eat, and then drinking beer.

HAPPY FUCKSHITBITCHASS TO ALL!

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 10:14 pm

It boggles the mind that people would prefer to eat cattle penned in their own excrement over an animal shot by a hunter.

People make no sense.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 10:17 pm

Dontcha worry bout it hoss. Around 1990 or so, it became hip to 'rally against guns', etc... the media pumps it...

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 10:21 pm

Yeah, I've had to stand in front of a camera and put up with that shit.

Let em do something useful, like crusade against factory farming. If they are worried about animal welfare, that's energy much more productively spent.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 7, 2003, 10:24 pm

Not my precious filets and strips!! Actually, I'll confess that I am way to 'city' to ever enjoy hunting. But eating fresh venison (sp?) I do enjoy.....if it's done properly.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 7, 2003, 10:26 pm

Well, there is no concerted effort by the left. There are so many pulling in so many different directions, that attacks are sporadic and usually ill-informed... however.....

Let's save all the mishmash anti-hunting propagandhi for a different thread...

Now, let's talk 'bout elf (er elk) hunting, eh?

I have seen elk hunting with bows on TV, but I have no idea how I would be able to hold that still till the bastard got close enough? I guess you have to be a pretty damn good shot? I would probably miss so badly that the animal would not even flinch.

Now, with a rifle.... particularly a BAR .338 Mag....

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » September 7, 2003, 11:29 pm

kyoukan wrote:Don't shoot animals in the wild; it's inhumane.

cry me a river liberal.

but on a semi side note i do agree with you from the flank, in that americans aren't to be trusted with weapons of any kind.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 7, 2003, 11:56 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Bitch, when you can carve your own bow, fletch your own arrows and use them to feed yourself you can speak.

okay. give me five minutes to learn because that sounds really brainlessly easy.

you're hilarious because you have all these small minded, pathetically trivial "accomplishments" in your sorry, sad little life and you expect people to be impressed by. not everyone on this forum is from Dryhump Montana or whatever god awful fucking armpit you live in, and gasps in wonder every time they see an automobile or a disposable lighter. yes I'm really fucking awed that you can whittle a stick and put a string on it. I think I did that in girl guide summer camp when I was 11. It wasn't even worth giving out a badge over. its a sad look at your life when you brag about such banal fucking nonsense.

carve my own bow give me a fucking break.

but keep PMS'ing about it because I cracking up.

contributed to more studies for the preservation of BOTH wildlife and habitat than you waste on Pepcid in a year.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » September 7, 2003, 11:59 pm

Where shall I send the stave then, you goober?

It's funny to see you spout off about crap you don't know a damn thing about. It's even more fun to see what lenghts you will go to attempting to cover your ass. It's hanging all the way out at the moment

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 8, 2003, 12:08 am

pathetically trivial "accomplishments" in your sorry, sad little life and you expect people to be impressed by

Glad you can try and attack someones life. Seems all your life is, is tring to show up anyone else, and make yourself out to be the best anyone is. Not only is everyone wrong about everything, but your right about anything you can make up.

One day you might relize you're the one with the sad little life. You do nothing but attack people on a fucking message board. I guess your HUGE bookstore doesnt keep up all your time. Maybe you need to attend more black panther rallys. Then again, anyone who has a positive outlook, or addition to a thread, you assume they are middle whiteclassed males, white trash, hicks,cracker or they live in a backwater town.

Grow the hell up and just leave. Your act is very old.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 8, 2003, 12:16 am

I think I will go for the .338 Winchester Magnum B.A.R. It costs about $300 more than the Remington .300 Mag, but Browning has always been one of the best riflemakers of the past century. My first rifle was a B.L.R. .243. I was about 12 or so then....damn shame I don't still have it, was a damn nice gun..

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 8, 2003, 2:01 am

Canelek wrote:I think I will go for the .338 Winchester Magnum B.A.R. It costs about $300 more than the Remington .300 Mag, but Browning has always been one of the best riflemakers of the past century. My first rifle was a B.L.R. .243. I was about 12 or so then....damn shame I don't still have it, was a damn nice gun..

sorry, this thread is about me now!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 8, 2003, 2:16 am

GO HUMP A FERN...... yea

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 8, 2003, 2:59 am

kyoukan wrote:bow hunting is even more gay than using a rifle. why don't you just burn the whole fucking forest down and kill all the animals at once. that's pretty manly. then you can enjoy a couple dozen frosty pabst blue ribbons and go home and beat the shit out of your wives.

sounds fun!

Jarori Bloodletter · September 8, 2003, 3:01 am

Well for elk in Oregon OR Wa I allways used a 7mm w/6x9 or more powerfull scope..You can get every close to elk up by Mt Saint Helens.. <great spot> I mostly hunted in WA up by Carson or Lyle <off of hwy 14 East>. just be sure to "Scope in" Your rifle.

As in take it to the range and sight it <if you have a scope> etc

ANd you WILL need either a horse or small 4 wheeler to pack that sucka out.. <mine weighed over 700lbs>

Look here http://www.wogameandfish.com/

Great site

Good Luck!

Edited cause spelling pwns me

Neost · Post by **Neost** » September 8, 2003, 7:20 am

My favorite deer rifle is a Model 742 Woodmaster. It was typically made in a 30-06 but at one time they produced a model they hoped to sell to the military in a .308.

This was my Grandfather's deer rifle and it has very nice artwork scribed into the reciever. On one side is a deer jumping through brush and the other has a bear ambling through the woods. I typically go iron sight but the rifle is rigged for a scope.

Some of my fondest memories are working my way into the woods hunting deer with Grandad. We have pretty decent deer hunting down here and the last few years, thanks to the efforts of the Game and Fish Commission and various hunting organizations the elk population has come back to the point that limited elk hunts are allowed. The first couple of years were via lottery for no more than five tags TOTAL with a fairly hefty fee for the privilege.

I haven't personally hunted elk, but look forward to the day that I can.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 8, 2003, 10:50 am

kyoukan wrote:
Canelek wrote:I think I will go for the .338 Winchester Magnum B.A.R. It costs about $300 more than the Remington .300 Mag, but Browning has always been one of the best riflemakers of the past century. My first rifle was a B.L.R. .243. I was about 12 or so then....damn shame I don't still have it, was a damn nice gun..
sorry, this thread is about me now!

Geee Kyoukan you bitch about people stalking you but you walk around with a Neon Lighted bullseys on you back saying Stalk Me.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 8, 2003, 11:34 am

There is nothing like eating something that you killed yourself.

Until you've shot, skinned, gutted, and butchered an animal you don't fully appreciate the meat that comes from a grocery store.

p.s. Feedlots are truly inhumane. Any operation that includes sewing animals' asses back inside their bodies as a part of daily routine is fucked up.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 8, 2003, 11:47 am

Though in Japan they stuff them with beer and rice! And voila! Kobe beef.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » September 8, 2003, 1:25 pm

If you're looking to hunt Deer or Elk in Oregon, I'd hit the areas near Heppner (East of Portland on 84 towards Pendleton), though you may have to put into the lottery for a tag (least for first hunt).

If you actually get around to killing one and need a butcher recommendation, I've used a good one in Gladstone (bit outside Portland) called Sausage Kitchen and they were reasonably priced. Unless you butcher your own - you never know

Nothing beats a good hunk of peppered elk jerky! rah

Neost · Post by **Neost** » September 8, 2003, 2:25 pm

Oh man, Sirensa. I have a friend in Ohio that makes some of the best peppered deer jerky that I have ever had. And he didn't send me a batch this last spring like he normally does. What a bastard.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 8, 2003, 3:28 pm

Unless you are a vegetarian, you cannot ever whine about hunting the poor little animals. If you ARE a vegetarian, then you should probably realize that all vegetarian animals are dead center in the food chain and there should be an open season for you.

That being said, I love the Remington's for the "bang for the buck" so to speak. If money was no object, I can't think of anything better than a Weatherby. A nice .300 Weatherby Mag would only run about $1600

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 8, 2003, 5:01 pm

the funny thing about vegetarians if they buy vegitables, fruits etc and not grow there own there hipocrites, being that nearly a billion snakes, rats, rabbits, of course tons of insects and other animals die every year in the grain choppers
i dont eat much meat myself, as i dont really like any pork or beef besides Spanish Jamon, and only really eat chicken and sea food other then fish as "meat"

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 8, 2003, 5:06 pm

I also don't eat much beef or pork. Don't get me wrong, I love steak, but don't really get it too often. Chicken and fish is another story all together.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 8, 2003, 5:42 pm

poopsquatch

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » September 8, 2003, 5:42 pm

i love it when they televise hunting, and they show two stereotypical redneck yahoos hunting turkeys with a goddamn cannon. then, after like 20 minutes of pointing his gun at an unmoving turkey and yapping to his friend about how much they think it weighs, he finally pulls the trigger and the thing flies about 100 yards because the bullet he used was half the size of the bird. then there's another 10 minutes of OH MY GOD WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SHOT CAN I TOUCH YOUR ASS THAT SHOT WAS SO AMAZING and more discussion over how much it weighs.