Joe Lieberman

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 16, 2003, 10:00 pm

I really like Joe Lieberman. I almost always vote Republican, but I really like this guy. That being said, did anyone else hear the campaign news about him the other day?

He was here in the Bay Area slamming Bush because he spent too much money on power plants and not enough on the environment. 2 Hours later, the Northeast is in complete darkness and the rest of the democratic party is blasting Bush for not spending enough on power. I just throught it was incredibly ironic and a poor turn of luck for Joe.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 16, 2003, 10:09 pm

...
If you enjoy playing video games, don't back Emperor Pal.. er, Senator Liberman. Guy has a rap sheet that you can read just about every time you pick up a PC Gamer.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 17, 2003, 1:09 am

he just wants videogames made and marketed for adults to be sold only to adults. I don't see what is so evil about that. it's not like he is crying for a ban on all videogames.

I personally agree with him.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 17, 2003, 5:29 am

Way too religious for my tastes. So is Bush, but if I am going to compromise on my conservative principles its not going to be to vote for some religious nut.

As for the video games, how about the crazy idea of parents getting involved enough in their kids lives so that Vice City and the like don't wind up installed on their computers. No need for the government to fuck up yet another area of our lives just because parents are lazy and/or stupid.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 17, 2003, 9:07 am

Isn't Lieberman a jew?

and uhh, lots of things are regulated so minors can't purchase them. pornography, weapons, restricted movies.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 17, 2003, 9:53 am

Kyoukan you ignorant fuck. The question should have been isn't Lieberman Jewish? Note the difference you redneck!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 17, 2003, 10:33 am

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: 'jü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French gyu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew YehudhI, from YehudhAh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASUS_12/2827_12.asp

After receiving complaints about the terms used in the dictionaries, ADL wrote to the publishers saying that "for centuries Jews have been depicted by these derogatory stereotypes which have long been used as fuel for anti-Semitism." The League said, it was deeply disturbing that respected companies, with large distribution bases, would continue to encourage such age-old, offensive inaccuracies.

http://jewish.com/askarabbi/askarabbi/askr3949.htm

Q: My new gentile friend asked me if the word "Jew" (as opposed to "Jewish") has a pejoratve connotation. I was shocked at the question since I see no problem. She explained that the New Testament uses the word "Jew" as the embodiment of evil so many times that the word itself seems offensive to her ear. What should I have told her?

A: I have actually never heard of the word "Jew" used as a negative epithet in and of itself. I have heard the term to "Jew " someone down i.e. bargain them down, but simply "Jew?"

We Jews certainly don't use it negatively. Maybe your friend was telling you more about herself than she really intended.

Copyright (c) 1999 by Rabbi Danny Horwitz.

I'm not sure what planet you are from where jew is offensive. Are you just a moron or is this one of those Hammerstalker moments where you just open your mouth to clean the sperm and feces out of your teeth, and whatever fucking noise that accompanies that activity accidentally gets spilled into words that are supposed to be a meaningful of critique of my vernacular?

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » August 17, 2003, 10:50 am

Aaeamdar wrote:Way too religious for my tastes. So is Bush

No need for the government to fuck up yet another area of our lives just because parents are lazy and/or stupid.

Don't vote for Lieberman and stop voting Republican, might work out!

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 17, 2003, 12:18 pm

Yes,
He is a jewish religious nut. Religious nuts come from all religions.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 17, 2003, 3:06 pm

I'm sure voting a jew (meant as an insult) into office will do wonders for the israel/palestine situation.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 17, 2003, 3:42 pm

i would actually rather dubya be re elected then that dumbshit, and comming from someone like me thats pretty bad

he wants to censor the media more then it even is right now
but of course i will vote libertarian

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 17, 2003, 3:47 pm

Akaran_D wrote:...
If you enjoy playing video games, don't back Emperor Pal.. er, Senator Liberman. Guy has a rap sheet that you can read just about every time you pick up a PC Gamer.

lmao, that was great btw

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 17, 2003, 4:52 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:Yes,
He is a jewish religious nut. Religious nuts come from all religions.

are you sure about that? I've been following Lieberman since the late 90s and I've never really seen anything that makes him look like a fundy. the jewish faith itself is practically anti-fundy unless you are a hasidic jew or some blood thirsty israeli.

he's not even an orthodox jew.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 17, 2003, 5:13 pm

he looks like a child molester imo ...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 17, 2003, 6:08 pm

Senator Palpatine kinda looks like a Programming Language Inventor..

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 17, 2003, 7:11 pm

Yeah. I am sure. Here are just a few quotes of his. Like all politicians, he tailors his speach to his audience. You may have missed what a fundamentalist he is if you don't flag various religious sources for review.

"As a people we need to reaffirm our faith and renew the dedication of our nation and ourselves to God and God's purposes."

"While so much of our economic life is thriving, too much of our moral life is still stagnated. I miss the days when faith was discussed in public and not the most intimate details of our lives."

“This is the most religious country in the world and sometimes we try to stifle that fact or hide it. But the profound and ultimately most important reality is that we are not only citizens of this blessed country, we are citizens of the same awesome God.”

There are pleanty more. He is on record as wanting to return prayer to public schools and to provide government funding and sanction to religion based primary education, as only two of his more immediate, non-censorship related religio-political issues. In theory, all his censorship can be explained away as a mundane desire to protect our youth through the use of warning lables and reasonable content regulations, but in fact, it is a by-product of his desire to have his morality become America's morality.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » August 17, 2003, 8:09 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:Yeah. I am sure. Here are just a few quotes of his. Like all politicians, he tailors his speach to his audience. You may have missed what a fundamentalist he is if you don't flag various religious sources for review.

"As a people we need to reaffirm our faith and renew the dedication of our nation and ourselves to God and God's purposes."

"While so much of our economic life is thriving, too much of our moral life is still stagnated. I miss the days when faith was discussed in public and not the most intimate details of our lives."

“This is the most religious country in the world and sometimes we try to stifle that fact or hide it. But the profound and ultimately most important reality is that we are not only citizens of this blessed country, we are citizens of the same awesome God.”

There are pleanty more. He is on record as wanting to return prayer to public schools and to provide government funding and sanction to religion based primary education, as only two of his more immediate, non-censorship related religio-political issues. In theory, all his censorship can be explained away as a mundane desire to protect our youth through the use of warning lables and reasonable content regulations, but in fact, it is a by-product of his desire to have his morality become America's morality.

Yes, and that is a problem when a guy steps up to the plate and talks about morals.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » August 17, 2003, 8:19 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:Yeah. I am sure. Here are just a few quotes of his. Like all politicians, he tailors his speach to his audience. You may have missed what a fundamentalist he is if you don't flag various religious sources for review.

"As a people we need to reaffirm our faith and renew the dedication of our nation and ourselves to God and God's purposes."

"While so much of our economic life is thriving, too much of our moral life is still stagnated. I miss the days when faith was discussed in public and not the most intimate details of our lives."

“This is the most religious country in the world and sometimes we try to stifle that fact or hide it. But the profound and ultimately most important reality is that we are not only citizens of this blessed country, we are citizens of the same awesome God.”

There are pleanty more. He is on record as wanting to return prayer to public schools and to provide government funding and sanction to religion based primary education, as only two of his more immediate, non-censorship related religio-political issues. In theory, all his censorship can be explained away as a mundane desire to protect our youth through the use of warning lables and reasonable content regulations, but in fact, it is a by-product of his desire to have his morality become America's morality.

Did you vote for Bush?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 17, 2003, 8:24 pm

Yes I did. I am sure if you go back to the top of the thread and read it again you will understand why the answer to that question is completely immaterial to the conversation.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 17, 2003, 8:24 pm

im not saying this in an offensive way, but could he possibly look ANY more jewish?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 17, 2003, 8:27 pm

See? I told you he wasn't very religous. Jews aren't even allowed to speak or write the name God.

You sound like one of those paranoid athiests that flip their lid every time somebody mentions religion.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 17, 2003, 8:36 pm

/shrug

And you sound like the sort of person that resorts to catagorization and marginalization when unable to continue a discussion with fact and reason.

(P.S. Without comment as to whether Jews are permitted to use the name of God, "God" is not the name of God.)

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » August 17, 2003, 8:50 pm

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » August 17, 2003, 10:11 pm

I would rather have a agnostic president than anything else. In a country where we have so many different faiths and many who believe in no faith at all, I think someone who is understanding and open to everyone else is much better for us all. Religion adds bias and we sure as heck dont need more of that. Give me someone who is open and accepting of all beliefs and I will vote for them.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 18, 2003, 12:37 am

Aaeamdar wrote:/shrug

And you sound like the sort of person that resorts to catagorization and marginalization when unable to continue a discussion with fact and reason.

what facts and/or reasons would you like? some guy mentions god a few times and you shit in your pants and start calling him a dangerous fundie.

I was right about the paranoid athiest thing though, wasn't I?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 18, 2003, 9:22 am

Xyun wrote:I'm sure voting a jew (meant as an insult) into office will do wonders for the israel/palestine situation.

hmmm

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 18, 2003, 10:08 am

He is not just mentioning God a few times. He is lamenting the days when religion were part of public education. He is suggesting that "As a people" we need to reaffirm our fatih. There is only one way (or at least by far the most common way) a collection of persons act "As a people" - and that is through government.

As for my being a "paranoid atheist", well we'll hae to take that in two parts.

Atheist - depends on how you are using the term. To the extent you mean I have no belief in a god, and even more specificly in my case that I believe it is more likely than not that God described in the Judeo/Christian context does not exist - then yes, I am an atheist.

Paranoid - Well, that's a psychoanalytical conclusion. I lack the expertise to comment, but generally speaking I do not exhibit the characteristics typically associated with the paranoid, at least so far as I can tell. If you are really curious about it, though, and willing to foot the bill, I'll seek a professional opinion on the subject and get back to you.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » August 18, 2003, 12:40 pm

[quote="kyoukan. the jewish faith itself is practically anti-fundy unless you are a hasidic jew or some blood thirsty israeli.

he's not even an orthodox jew.[/quote]

What about the ultra-orthodox? These are the people who mainly refuse to leave the settlements in occupied territory, throw stones at people who work on sunday AND pass on military service.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » August 18, 2003, 12:45 pm

What about the ultra-orthodox? These are the people who mainly refuse to leave the settlements in occupied territory, throw stones at people who work on sunday AND pass on military service

Those would be the Hassidic jews exempted specifically from Kyoucan's blanket statement.

Try to keep up.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » August 18, 2003, 12:47 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
What about the ultra-orthodox? These are the people who mainly refuse to leave the settlements in occupied territory, throw stones at people who work on sunday AND pass on military service
Those would be the Hassidic jews exempted specifically from Kyoucan's blanket statement.

Try to keep up.

Sorry, I didn't know what a "Hassidic" jew was.

next time I catch you not knowing something, I'll pin you too.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » August 18, 2003, 1:11 pm

next time I catch you not knowing something, I'll pin you too.

Don't hold your breath sunshine

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 18, 2003, 1:37 pm

Skogen wrote:What about the ultra-orthodox? These are the people who mainly refuse to leave the settlements in occupied territory, throw stones at people who work on sunday AND pass on military service.

They really don't care what people do on Sundays

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 18, 2003, 1:56 pm

While I generally vote republican, I'd vote for Liberman over Bush.

Liberman is a centrist, he'd have been a republican 30 years ago. He isn't as deeply in bed with industry as Bush seems to be either. While Bush seemed to be a good choice initially, he's proven me wrong repeatedly.

If he gets re-elected we're going to have big problems. As a second term president consequences don't matter too much.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » August 18, 2003, 1:59 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Skogen wrote:What about the ultra-orthodox? These are the people who mainly refuse to leave the settlements in occupied territory, throw stones at people who work on sunday AND pass on military service.

They really don't care what people do on Sundays

Yes, they do.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 18, 2003, 2:01 pm

CARTMAN: Shut up, you fucking Jew!!!

MR. GARRISON: Eric, did you just say the "F" word?!?

CARTMAN: Jew?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 18, 2003, 2:03 pm

No, they don't

Considering the Sabbath runs from friday-saturday evening, they don't really give a shit what happens on sunday

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 18, 2003, 2:10 pm

honestly we need to get rid of the old farts and there ... i wanna turn this country into how it was back in the old day with bible in hand

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » August 18, 2003, 2:18 pm

Chidoro wrote:No, they don't

Considering the Sabbath runs from friday-saturday evening, they don't really give a shit what happens on sunday

Ah fuck, its saturday! Your right, my bad.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 18, 2003, 2:24 pm

Drasta wrote:honestly we need to get rid of the old farts and there ... i wanna turn this country into how it was back in the old day with bible in hand

What the hell are you blabbering about?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 18, 2003, 2:26 pm

bush being an old fart that wants god to play a larger role in the nation is what im blabering about

and people like him

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » August 18, 2003, 2:32 pm

Drasta wrote:bush being an old fart that wants god to play a larger role in the nation is what im blabering about and people like him

Too bad one of the founding priciples of this country was the seperation of church and state.

..and "people" like him? What people? You mean right-wing, bible-belt conservatives?

Deward · Post by **Deward** » August 18, 2003, 4:49 pm

Old school politicians like Lieberman are what are ruining this country. There should be term limits for all public offices. Not a bunch of old codgers sacrificing our future for the present. Lieberman doesn't cae about being president or not. Look at the last election. He was so worried abotu losing that he ran for congress at the same time so he could have a backdoor job just in case. The guy (and his buddies) need to get out of washington and try working a real job.

Lieberman is a centrist but I think his religious views encroach a little too closely on government. The best think about our government is that it is not completely controlled by one religion or another. It should remain that way. There shouldn't be prayer in school. If administrators want to give a quiet moment for self reflection at a certain point everyday then fine.

Also lieberman wnats to push government into homes. Sure video games need some guidelines but that is the parents job. Government is not supposed to be anyone's nanny.

I'm a libertarian. They probably won't be running a presidential candidate this year so I will vote some other third party or independent. I am fairly moderate in my views so neither republican or democrat appeal to me.

Deward

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 18, 2003, 4:51 pm

Its not just the Libertarians. No one else will be running a presidential candidate this year either.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » August 18, 2003, 5:12 pm

"Separation of Church and State" does NOT entail only voting for athiests or agnostics you paranoid fuckwads.

I am SO fucking tired of the people who reject ANY politician the second they say the word "God" or express any viewpoint that expresses a religious conviction.

Before you give me the "I'm so fucking tired of hearing about God! What about my rights to be an ignorant athiest etc" shit, just because someone holds such a belief doesn't mean they intend to reshape the laws of the land so that YOU TOO must conform - jackass.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 18, 2003, 5:12 pm

then i will actually have to vote for bush if thats the case, and this leibermen asshole ends up being there canidate, that day would suck ass

but im sure a libertarian canidate will run to try to build some publicity

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 18, 2003, 5:14 pm

Ashur [FoH] wrote:"Separation of Church and State" does NOT entail only voting for athiests or agnostics you paranoid fuckwads.

I am SO fucking tired of the people who reject ANY politician the second they say the word "God" or express any viewpoint that expresses a religious conviction.

Before you give me the "I'm so fucking tired of hearing about God! What about my rights to be an ignorant athiest etc" shit, just because someone holds such a belief doesn't mean they intend to reshape the laws of the land so that YOU TOO must conform - jackass.

this is true, but the problem is that some people DO try to reshape the laws and bring values of there faith into it

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 18, 2003, 5:46 pm

Xzion wrote:this is true, but the problem is that some people DO try to reshape the laws and bring values of there faith into it

and those are people you should watch out for. however I don't think Lieberman has a religious agenda.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 18, 2003, 6:38 pm

Well Ash,

1. I vote for bible thumpers all the time, since I typically vote Republican. I'm just saying if I am going to compromise on some of my political beliefs, its not going to be done to trade one religious nut for another.

2. My guess is, in spite of the strength of conviction in which you set forth your principal that "A guy blathering about God should not be a concern as long as they don't want to change the laws in a religious manner", that you would automatically discount someone who worshiped Satan, even if they had no intention on supporting chanes in the law to bring Satan into the classroom. They, however, though equally insane as your mainstream religious nut, are a lot less dangerous. When they get around to killing people, its usually just themselves and their followers (which would leave a vacancy, so I guess I'd have to consider the party of the governer of the State from which the Satanic Senatorial Candidate hailed before casting my vote). Christains and Muslems, on the other hand, pretty much have mass murder down to a science (well, and Jews too if you go back far enough, but they have lacked the power to effectuate it for a long time).

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 18, 2003, 6:53 pm

what we need is another young president that doesn't use the word God ... yes im aganist any politition that goes ' i would like to thank god' ya wanna know why? because no matter how much you say you won't your religious views will always come into play when you have to make a decision on something its how you were raised ..

just like how adex doesn't think homosexualness is right cause of his religious views

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » August 19, 2003, 10:59 am

There are pleanty more. He is on record as wanting to return prayer to public schools and to provide government funding and sanction to religion based primary education, as only two of his more immediate, non-censorship related religio-political issues. In theory, all his censorship can be explained away as a mundane desire to protect our youth through the use of warning lables and reasonable content regulations, but in fact, it is a by-product of his desire to have his morality become America's morality.

Prayer in public schools, if children of religious families want to say a prayer at school they should feel safe to do so just as the law has fought so hard for those that don't pray to not be forced to do so. If a child wants to take his/her bible or Koran (sp) to school to read then they should feel safe to do so, not worry about being told they can't have that book on campus while being made to read stories for class papers that have cussing in them or racial overtones in them.

Government funding and sanction to religion based primary education might be a good thing for several reasons. The funding and sanctions would mean that these schools would have to follow certain rules and be called on to make sure they are running correctly. Also those parents that didn't want to send their children to public schools where their children can not openly pray or bring their Koran or Bible could finally aford to send them to these schools which by the way are very costly.

Just as we have heard all over this country how our children need to be taught sex ed in school and condoms handed out for free I say teach your kids at home. It is the parents responsiblity to talk to their kids about this, just like it is my place at home to teach my kids about God.

That is why people with faith are upset and standing up more every day because in a country where we have FREE RELIGION it is being slowly removed from us a little every day.

As for the censorship and the parents being more involved let me point this out to you folks that don't have children. Most parents are more involved then you think, those labels that so many adults that have no children seem to be threatened by are what warn parents what material is on or in them, that way they can make their choice on that not just word of mouth or *gasp* some religious nut going around spreading what evil is on or in things simply because they don't agree with it.
It is a tool to help parents that are involved and concerned about their childrens music and reading and computer use. All parents don't have the time or resources to listen to each artists music, to read all books or to visit every site out on the net or play every game there is out there. I know your parents told you they can do it all but they lied!

Why do adults with out children really give a damn about parent warnings on things? You can buy them with out your parents so it doesn't effect you.

Aaeamdar I used your post because you hit all three topics in your one post that was spread out.