Captain America

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 9, 2003, 6:47 pm

Brad Pitt as Steve Rogers? Good idea or bad? Not sure if I can see him doing it but then again who would ever consider Ben Afleck as an action hero?

noel · Post by **noel** » July 9, 2003, 6:51 pm

Are you suggesting this, or did you read it somewhere?

I think Brad Pitt can play Steve Rogers pretty well, but I think he might be a bit thin for the role. If he bulks up a bit, I read recently that he was, I think he can do it.

Do you have linkage?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 9, 2003, 7:39 pm

A buffed up Duchonvy or Jason Lee maybe. Dean Cain could probably go a good job at this as well, although he's pretty much typecast as Superman now.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 10, 2003, 12:24 am

brad pitt is too angsty for captain america.

I don't have a problem with comics and movies frank millarizing comic heroes into complex dark sociopaths, but the captain is just one of those guys who is uncorruptible and filled with an overriding sense of justice. they really need to get someone a little hokier to play him, but that person still has to be able to kick the fucking holy bejeezus out of the commies.

matt damon would be okay in the role. he has that whole cornpone thing for him, but he was fucking stacked in the bourne identity.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 10, 2003, 12:42 am

I actually saw this on Entertainment Tonight. Found a few links that may dispute this though.
Moviehole
Looks like same story here:
Zreview
There are a number of TV stations that seem to have reported it but upon going to the ET site itself, seems they have pulled those pages or links to the story they ran.

Sorry about that. I thought I was posting in good faith with what ET had said.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 10, 2003, 2:14 am

No worries man, I'd just be excited if it were the real thing.

Kyoukan, I agree. Matt Damon could play him, though he's a bit on the young side.

Captain America's personality as you said is a lot like the Superman in Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns' which is for my money the best graphic novel I've ever read.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 10, 2003, 3:09 am

Never read comic books, but I liked spiderman, xmen 1 & 2. I will watch it whenever it comes out. Now, 6-Million dollar Man I can relate more to, but I believe Kevin Smith's script was rejected (Read it, really damn good

)...

What was Captain America supposed to be anyway? I am guessing cold-war super-hero-guy? Or is he 'flawed' like most of the recent comic book/movies? I do remember images of a guy in blue tights with a shield--that the guy?

noel · Post by **noel** » July 10, 2003, 3:14 am

Origin/History:

On July 4, 1917, Steve Rogers was born in New York City to Joseph and Sarah Rogers. He grew up frail and sickly, frequently picked on by kids bigger and stronger than him. His parents died early on; his father in 1920, and his mother in 1934. By 1940 Steve was an aspiring artist, subsisting by painting murals on subways for the Works Progress Administration.

Horrified by the Nazi atrocities depicted in newreels, and tried Steve tried to enlist in 1940. He was rejected by the examination board but his enthusiasm and dedication managed to gain the attention of others. He was then recruited by General Chester Phillips for a special program called Operation Rebirth.

After that, Steve underwent some months of tests and training, and was finally injected with the Super-Soldier formula. The experiment worked; the combination of formula and radiation treatment combined to artificially bring and maintain his body at the highest possible peak of human development, instantly making him stronger, more agile, and faster than any Olympic athlete. His endurance was increased tremendously, and all fatigue-producing chemicals removed from his system making him almost virtually tireless. However, a Nazi spy had gained access to the experiment observation gallery. Trying to protect the interests if hiw country, the spy shot Dr. Abraham Erskine, the inventor and was himself accidentally killed by Rogers. Over the next week, all the remaining scientists on the project were presumably eliminated too.

After that, Steve was given the costume and name of Captain America to serve as a symbol, an embodiment of all of the virtues which make the United States great. He was very specifically designed to counter the terror of the Nazi master-agent, the Red Skull. Initially based at Camp Lehigh, he took on a bumbling though friendly persona where he met Bucky Barnes. Snooping around, Bucky discovered his secret and was roped in to become his partner.

Captain America and Bucky fought the Nazi menace alone and as part of the Invaders. Close to the end of the war, during an attempt to prevent Baron Zemo I from sending an experimental drone plane to his masters, Bucky was killed in a booby-trap. The blast hurled Captain America into rapidly freezing waters and he was cast into a state of suspended animation, prevented from dying by the Super-Soldier serum. He would remain in the ice until rescued by the Avengers.

In 1964 Namor fought the Avengers, and was defeated. Coming upon a group of Eskimos worshipping a figure trapped in a block of ice, an enraged Namor threw the ice-block into the ocean, where the warm currents of the Gulf stream began to melt it, releasing the figure within.

Pulled out of the waters by the Avengers, the frozen man woke from his decades-long sleep; Steve Rogers, the original Captain America, had returned. He joined the Avengers, living at the Avengers Mansion. When the other founding members of the Avengers retired, Steve led a team of reformed villians - Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver - as the new Avengers.

Steve fought evil wherever it would occur whether alone, among the Avengers, or together with agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. While in the field, he fell in love with Sharon Carter (S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 13), the younger sister of an espionage agent he had known romantically during World War II.

Once, a disenchanted Cap even retired and took the role of Nomad, Man Without A Country. While Steve adventured about in his Nomad identity, several people tried to take on the identity of Captain America. The last of these, a young man named Roscoe, was killed by the Red Skull for the impersonation; the feelings of responsibility for his death drove Steve back into action as Captain America.

Shortly after the apparent death of Sharon Carter, Steve moved to Brooklyn Heights. There, Steve met Bernadette "Bernie" Rosenthal, with whom he fell in love. The cunning lady managed to deduce his secret identity after meeting him in his costume. During this time Steve encounters and fights a number of new threats, among them the Serpent Society, Flag-Smasher, Super-Patriot, and Scourge ("Justice is served!"). During this period Bernie goes off to law school. The long distance puts a strain to their relationship and the two finally break up.

Subsequently, Steve meets a member of the Serpent Society who is trying to reform (or at least will try to if it gives her a chance at Steve) named Diamondback (Rachel Leighton). She alternately spends the time either trying to land him or kill him.

In 1987 the U.S. Government Commission on Superhuman Activity exerted their influence, and attempts to make Captain America their own operative. Steve refuses, and they demand that he return the shield and costume, as they contend that it is government property. The Commission appoints John Walker (formerly the Super-Patriot) as the new Captain America. Steve adopts the identity of the Captain, with a wakandian vibranium shield supplied by the Black Panther.

John Walker spends some time in the Captain America identity, slowly losing the disrespect he had for the do-gooder Steve. It seemed that there was more to being Captain America than just donning his uniform. Tragically, John's parents are captured and killed by members of the Watchdogs, a subversive ultra-right wing group. He suffers a breakdown and Steve is forced to capture him for treatment. The Commission changes its mind about the wisdom of having anyone but Steve in the identity of Captain America and gives him back the shield and mantle. John later takes on the costume of the Captain and continues as U.S.Agent.

Early in the 1990s the Red Skull returned from his death in a body cloned from Steve Rogers. He has been busy while dead, and is the driving force behind many of the subversive agencies which have been plaguing Captain America. He is joined by his special group of henchmen, the Skeleton Crew, headed by Crossbones ( who has ties with Diamondback ).

Steve becomes romantically involved with Diamondback, and spends much of his time building infrastructure for both his own headquarters and the Avengers. But he still finds the time to go on a few hilarious dates with the reformed Diamondback. The Avengers are led by Cap in Operation : Galactic Storm against the Kree, and splits up with many of his old friends and colleagues at the end of the war when they decide to kill the Supreme Intelligence to forstall further hostilities.

In 1994 Steve becomes frequently wracked with pain; upon examination he is told that the Super-Soldier formula which has kept his body running at the peak of human efficiency for all these years is deteriorating, and if he keeps going into action he will soon die. With what time he has left, Steve goes canvassing for a successor, introducing both Free Spirit and Jack Flag. As his condition deteriorates even further, he begins to use a utility belt full of gadgets, and finally is forced into a Stark-designed exoskeleton. He breaks up with Diamondback when she sells her services to Superia in exchange for an antidote for his condition; he rejects the antidote, which is stolen by the Red Skull (since the Red Skull has the same biology, he would also presumably need the serum). Finally, Steve's body fails, and he ostensibly dies although his body vanishes.

Steve is soon revived by his old enemy, the Red Skull, and finds that Sharon Carter is very much alive ( albeit turned into a harsh and bitter woman for some reason ). The three of them work together to thwart Hitler's plan but in co-operating with the Red Skull in assaulting a U.S. Army base, he falls unders suspicion. When secrey plans which only he and the President know about are leaked to Moldavia, Steve is summoned to the President who revokes his costume and citizenship, exiling him. Even in exile, Steve is busy dig what he does best and in time, he manages to save the President who gratefully re-instates him as Captain America. He comes back just in time to lead the Avengers against the mutant menace known as Onslaught.

Steve, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, and most of the non-mutant heroes sacrifice themselves in battle to allow the assembled X-teams to defeat Onslaught. As far as the Marvel Universe knows, they have all died. However, they were actually somehow shunted into a pocket universe called by some the "Franklinverse".

The "Franklinverse" was a pocket universe made through the power of Franklin Richards, in which the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, and miscellaneous others had been transformed and reborn. Franklin manages to bring them back from this alternate world.

Steve returns to this reality and arrives in Tokyo. It is a very much different world in which he returns to. With his heroic death and his subsequent rebirth, the world now regards him as an idol and are intent on worshipping him. Toys, books and merchandise are based on his name and the local McBurgers carry his logo. Our big blue guy, Steve is appalled by all this attention.

Soon, it is found that all the media hype is a bid by the Skrulls to gain their revenge ( total lame, but true ). In a short and hopelessly brief fight, Steve is wrapped up, tied up and left inside a nondescript room. A Skrull takes on his identity and is set loose on the unsuspecting world.

But there is no doubt that Cap is much more than his muscles and brawn for he manages to free himself ( using his wits! ). Once free, the evil Skrull gets his come-uppance ( though a lil too late as the Skrull's machinations have made the crowd a lil too disillusioned with Cap-mania ).

The poor Big Blue doesn't even get a break. Just getting over the Skrull debacle, Steve is immediately thrust into the midst of a Kree War... and the insubordination of an Avenger. The take-charge Miss Marvel / Warbird, Carol Danvers loses control of herself in the fight and subsequently loses her position in the Avengers roster.

A deep sea mission also causes Cap to lose his beloved shieled... which is later found in fragments ( so much for indestructible.. ) But the ever helpful Sharon Carter produces a special pulse shield, which is no longer limited to a mere shield but can assume various shapes and also release a powerful beam of force. It is here that we see how attached to the original shield Steve has become. The loss of the shield is almost like losing his arm and he almost doesn't pay any attention to Sharon's babble about the new star-spangled toy ( then again, it's easy to ignore her ).

But Steve has more to contend with, especially with the return of the Red Skull who has been transformed into a god-like being ( with the help of the the ever exciting Cosmic Cube ). This time, he is determined to take over America ( and also crush Steve's spirit by doing so ). But Steve still manages to stop him and with the way it ends, it is doubtful that the Red Skull will be making an appearance anytime soon.

With all this problems, the Avengers are also having problems of their own as a lack of leadership and the various problems faced by individual members have severely endangered the morale of the team. The Scarlet Witch brings up the problem and makes a suggestion of a change of leadership that Steve agrees to seeing that his hands are more than full already.

How's that Cane?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 10, 2003, 3:24 am

Yeah! That is the one

Interesting storyline as well. I will definately check it out when it is released.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » July 16, 2003, 12:47 am

This screams Bruce Campbell....hah.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 16, 2003, 2:36 am

Brad P as Cap America?

NO! Brad is too thin! He weighs around 81-85 kg i would presume.
Max 170 lbs.

According to the comics, Cap America(Steve Rogers) was much bigger than that!

Cap looks like a 200-220 pounder to me, much more mass than a Brad P!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 16, 2003, 3:49 am

Yes well 220 lbs of muscle kind of limits your choices.

Maybe they could use Arnold and dub his voice with the guy that MC's the Letterman show.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 16, 2003, 3:55 am

If Clooney was a blond. /sigh

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 16, 2003, 6:51 am

kyoukan wrote:Yes well 220 lbs of muscle kind of limits your choices.

Maybe they could use Arnold and dub his voice with the guy that MC's the Letterman show.

Kyo!

You have Cap Americas Voice there RIGHT ON THE SPOT! Superb!

Beside Arnold though, do you know any other actor suitable for the role? 190 lbs and +

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Ara, Clooney is also too small for the role as Cap America !

Clooney i think is bigger than Brad P though? I assume.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 16, 2003, 7:36 am

Clooney's a lot bigger than you think bro. He's about 5'11"", and weighs about 211 lbs. I've seen him play basketball over at the WB studios in Burbank during the filming of Batman and Robin. He's very much in shape, and nothing to scoff at I assure you. He's probably too old for the role at this point even if he did have blond hair.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 16, 2003, 7:48 am

Clooney may very well weigh 211 lbs, but i have never seen that guy in a movie with low bodyfat!

I am talking weighing 200+ with a low bodyfat-lvl, just like you can see good ol Cap America is in the pictures above!

From what i've seen with Clooney, i just cannot compare his physique with good ol Steve Rogers!

Then again, i think i've seen two movies with Cloon.

Batman and that Vampire movie.

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Come to think of it, Hollywood could make it easy on themselves and make the Cap America Outfit like Batman, adding mass to the suit.

If they do that, i think 80 % of Hollywoods actors could play Cap America.

But, for the normal Steve Rogers-scenes without the Cap suit, the actor need to have a believable physique as well. Therefore, i am counting out Brad P.

What about our swede DOLPH LUNDGREN!

noel · Post by **noel** » July 16, 2003, 1:59 pm

Brad Pitt has the low bodyfat, just not the size.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 16, 2003, 2:01 pm

Yeah, that's what i mean he is too thin!

More mass! Then burn the bodyfat!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 17, 2003, 11:24 pm

Hrmmmm Van Damme as Captain America? Just lose the accent.

Hrmm What Wrestler in the WWE would make a good Captain America?

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 18, 2003, 12:09 am

Damme is too short..

I've found him though!

Here is the right guy for the job! Perfect for the role!

This guy IS Steve Rogers / Captain America

Right height, right weight and look for good ol Steve!

Gunther Schlierkamp would be perfect for the role, be it in Cap America outfit or casual clothes.

The only problem is his accent though, but that can be dubbed, and a perfect voice for Steve Rorgers would be the redhaired fellow from Letterman Show that Kyo mentioned earlier. If you've heard him talk you know what i mean!

Compare Gunthers physique

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 18, 2003, 9:19 am

The guy is definitly huge but those muscles under his armpits (his back I presume) look kind of gross. Reminds me of a bullfrog in mid croak.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 18, 2003, 6:25 pm

lol he can't put his arms any lower than that...

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 20, 2003, 1:15 am

Bubba

Those muscles under his armpits belong to the back and are called Latissimus Dorsi or Lats for short.

Yes, it's true that Cap America does not have that big lats in the comics and can move his arms closer to the body, but i have no idea what to do with the lats.

Perhaps...

Digital Retouching!??!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 20, 2003, 3:02 am

Too much on the Lats... Cap'n America should be buff, but not THAT much!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 20, 2003, 4:27 am

Well, we sure can't have Brad P as Steve Rogers!

Cap was always bulkier than Daredevil, Spiderman, Cyclops etc

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 20, 2003, 11:58 am

Emmanuel Lewis would PWN.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » July 20, 2003, 2:08 pm

Pee Wee Herman and a body suit.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 20, 2003, 2:53 pm

True!

PeeWee even got the Steve Rogers voice goin'!

THE Steve Rogers / Cap America!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 22, 2003, 1:27 pm

Hooray for Gunther!

The New Arnold!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 22, 2003, 7:10 pm

Where did his penis go?

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 23, 2003, 2:45 am

Hopefully we dont have to see the Penus in the Cap America movie!

Do you still think Brad P is more suitable for the role as Cap than Gunther Bubba?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 23, 2003, 3:31 pm

Kwon, I'm going to say yes, because Gunter isn't going to be able to MOVE. (not necessarily brad, just saying gunter wouldn't cut it)

Sure, he's got the physique...but he won't be able to fight, run, jump, etc.

You know, action.

If this were a posed camera photo novel, he'd be great

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 23, 2003, 3:37 pm

And we both know the Cap America movie won't be a posed camera photo novel!

So, any other suggestions Tru?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 30, 2003, 1:32 am

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a piece of crap like the one that I think Dolph Lundgren was in...The Punisher.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 30, 2003, 1:39 am

Pretty damn tough to find someone that buff that is not entirely devoid of character. Sure, it works for Lou in the 'Hulk' TV series but really... ok, ok, and Arnold in 'Hercules in NY'... basically, the roids fuck acting up to an extreme...

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 30, 2003, 8:26 pm

If he could act he might be a good choice. Maybe a bit too old though.
Billy Gunn aka Mr. Ass

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 31, 2003, 12:37 am

I really wouldn't be shocked if some relatively unknown actor comes in to play the part. As long as the story works out, I think it would be better that way. Otherwise you would have the people that "type-casted" actors on their own thinking that the person was the equivalent of whatever characters they were before.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » August 1, 2003, 11:07 am

Plop a wig on Vin Diesel. He isn't obscenely large like Gunther but he is built well. No accents either. Not sure how tall he is but height can be faked in movies nowadays. Hulk Hogan 20 years ago would of been good.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 2, 2003, 11:29 am

Scary to say, but you're almost right. It would be ok as long as no tat's were showing, because Captain America had that 1940's values thing goin on.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 2, 2003, 7:32 pm

No tats on good ol Steve Rogers!

Deward · Post by **Deward** » August 2, 2003, 9:47 pm

If we could get Kevin Sorbo to buff back up to his hercules size days then he would be good as well. His acting ability is kind of iffy.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » August 2, 2003, 11:00 pm

I think "The ROCK" has more of the Capt. America body, Gunter's neck muscles are too small, BIG guy just not the proportions.

Anyone remember Bob Paris? man that guy had the perfect symetery. I remember working out each muscle 4 or 5 different ways to get the correct look, thinkin' man I bet that guy gets all the chicks. How dishearting it was to find out he married a guy... oh well. Guess he COULD have gotten all the chicks, heh.

All that being said, lets remember that is a comic drawing. Very few people if any will ever have those proportions like that.

Marb

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 3, 2003, 2:30 am

How about this guy

Or Wings Hauser

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » August 4, 2003, 2:07 am

Ok, found a pic, this guy. Bob Paris, lats are tough but not overly huge.

Marb

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 4, 2003, 2:51 pm

Gunther is much bigger and taller than Bob P.

Isn't Cap America around 190 cm?

6'4" ?