Stella Awards

Tymora · Post by **Tymora** » July 30, 2002, 8:20 pm

http://www.wolfandtobin.com/wolfandtobi ... tella.html

What is this world coming to.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 30, 2002, 11:10 pm

all of those cases are urban legends and not true.

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.htm

So is the famous Mcdonald's hot coffee suit.

http://www.atlanet.org/cjfacts/other/mcdonald.ht

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » July 30, 2002, 11:48 pm

Yeah, the Winnebago story is not from 2000. I remember hearing that at the local RV dealer when I was in the 4th grade (1975) and my dad promptly told the salesman that he had heard it from the Cadillac salesman when he bought his first car with cruise control in teh mid 60's. This story is certaily an urban legend, because the name and details change each tme it is told...

I didn't read the rest of the stories, but I bet I have heard them all.

dalur · Post by **dalur** » July 31, 2002, 9:17 am

OMG

These people need to be packed into a rocket and sent on a 1 way ticket to the further point in the universe.

No wonder our country is failing in every which way.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 31, 2002, 9:46 am

The McDonalds coffee suite has always bothered me. Once again, it's that one person out of millions that blames thier fuck-up on anyone but themself and somehow gets compensated for being the lowest common denominator.

Unbelievable.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 31, 2002, 2:24 pm

did you even read my links?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 31, 2002, 2:34 pm

I read the links. I already know OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS about urban legends thanks to too much free time in front of my computer at work. The McDonald's case has always bothered me, simply because it's true. Although, I wish it was made up.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 31, 2002, 3:21 pm

what bothers me more is this new lawsuit against McDonalds, KFC, etc.

where the fatasses are suing the fast food restaurants because THEY GOT FAT EATING food there.

What the fuck?

The complete epitomy of people completely to dismiss accountability for their actions.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/diet.fit ... index.html

the lawyer was on Hannity and Combs last night, i happened to be flipping by and i saw it. all i can say is, what a joke.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59228,00.html

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 31, 2002, 3:33 pm

Don't forget voro...he's actually starting a class action suit...not just suing by himself...

FAT FUCKS OF THE WORLD UNITE! FORGET WILL POWER! FORCE EVERYONE TO EAT LOW FAT CARDBOARD!

I wish natural selection would hurry up and we wouldn't interfere with it sometimes....

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 31, 2002, 3:38 pm

That was the first thing I thought of too Voro. That was on Drudge last week. It is a sad state of affairs...

Aarinu · Post by **Aarinu** » July 31, 2002, 4:42 pm

You all forgot, but I'm not...

WELCOME JACKASS!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 31, 2002, 5:52 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I read the links. I already know OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS about urban legends thanks to too much free time in front of my computer at work. The McDonald's case has always bothered me, simply because it's true. Although, I wish it was made up.

I think the reality of the Mcdonald's suit is very fair. They willfully serve their coffee well above legal and safe temperatures even after the knowledge that it was unsafe. Not only did they do that, but they continued to do it after multiple people were permanently scarred after spilling it on themselves. The woman initially sued for only enough to cover her medical bills and the judge decided afterwards on his own volition that Mcdonalds was responsible to pay punitive damages for fucking up and taking no actions to correct it. Not only that, but covering up previous grievances on the same issue. This lawsuit is the very antithesis of frivolous when all the facts are considered.

She freely admits she was AT FAULT for spilling it on herself. That isn't the point. The point is, coffee should not be served for consumption at temperatures capable of scarring you permanently through your clothes.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 31, 2002, 6:03 pm

That shit pisses me off to no end. If thers is one MAJOR problem with America is too many FUCKIN' lawyers looking to make a buck along with the STUPID FREELOADERS and PC fucks looking to blame everyone but not willing to stand up for themselves.

All of those are ridiculas. I saw on CNN the other day that some group of skinny people were wanting to pass laws to tax people for eating junk food so they would stop and loose weight. WTF is that? Have taxes stopped people from smoking? NO.. it's just a facist plot to screw the poor. Everyone knows that more blue collar workers and lower income families smoke than white collar... why? who knows but that fact is still there and the Gov. and all the special interest groups know this... but don't do anything about it. Same thing would happen with food... or alcohol...wait didn't they already try that?

These fat fucks aren't helping either with the bullshit. Hell right now I'm fat fuck! I was growing up, but decided to loose weight and did...kept it all off for a long time (175 lbs) by EATING RIGHT AND WROKING OUT... that is the only way but the billion dollar diet industry and stomach stapling Dr. fucks don't want people to have to face the facts. It's not McDonalds fault... those assholes need to start by pushing away from the GD table! When I quit doing those things I gained weight again, even dieting I gained weight... sucks to be me but it's my lot and I have to deal with it. When I can I'll get it off again but until that time it sure as HELL isn't anyone elses fault... DAMN that shit pisses me off.

As I have been saying for 12 years... we have become a nation of whiners... personally I'm sick of it. I thought the Republicans might make a difference in the whole PC whining arena but that hasn't happened... oh well, guess I'll be voting Democrat next time.

Digusted,
Marb

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 31, 2002, 6:30 pm

I cannot fathom how any rational human being could possibly think that two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun are a low-fat, nutritious food. I hope that this gets put in front of a judge with some sense, so it can be dismissed outright.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » July 31, 2002, 8:41 pm

masteen wrote:two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun are a low-fat, nutritious food.

Actually looking at it in that context that is a nutritious meal..

ALL-BEEF patties.. not 50%fat.. not 30% fat.. ALL BEEF
Lettuce - nothing wrong here.
Cheese - nothing inherantly wrong with a slice or 2 of cheese you are supposed to get dairy servings ya know.
Pickles - nothing wrong here
Onions - nothing wrong here
Sesame Seed Bun - Again nothing inherantly wrong here again Grain servings are part of a balanced diet..

now the one i left out so far.. the special sauce.. Whats in it? who knows. looks like thousand island dressing to me. and probably contains most of the fat content of the hamburger. Its not the hamburger itself.. its all the crap condiments dripping off of it onto your shirt.. Take the special sauce away and just use plain old ketchup and mustard and thats not a bad meal really..

i mean put these things seperated onto a plate.. does it really sound that bad?
Assume you've never heard of fast food or a Big Mac

1/4 pound of cooked Beef
4 lettuce leaves
2 tablespoons of minced onions
2 slices of cheese
3 Slices of Bread
6 pickle slices
2 tablespoons of Mayonaise
2 tablespoons of Ketchup.

Not to take this guys side.. i mean come on we've known for quite some time that fast food isn't good for you and every Burger King or Mcdonalds i walk into has its nutrition information posted.. did you know that a Whopper has 66 grams of Fat.. take off the mayo and stuf and your down to 30.. more than half the fat of the whopper is in 2 tablespoons of crap that drips off the damned thing anyways. I mean he's complainng about KFC.. thats some of the damned greasiest food there is.. I agree he's a moron but when you list out the ingredients like that.. it really doesn't sound like it would be bad for you.

-Ajran

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » August 1, 2002, 1:28 am

Well, what these mathematical fuckin geniouses fail to recognize is that if it says it is 100 percent BEEF it can still be 90 percent beef FAT and 10 percent beef MEAT.

They are simply telling the public that there are no worms, soybeans, green beans, pinto beans, cats, bats, rats, toilet paper, boogers, broken glass, fly larve (maggots), styrofoam, silicone, latex, gasoline, strontium 90, or maybe even chicken beaks in their burgers.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way that things are labled and marketed. I am old and responsible enough to know that 99 percent of all advertisements hide some measure of falsehood.

Yeah, everyone knows that pizza, frenchfries and cheesburgers will make you fatter than hell if you eat too many without a reasonable measure of exercise... those that claim to be ignorant of this fact are fuckin liars.

I could go on and on, but there is no point - I don't care and neither do you.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 3:26 am

On the otherhand, some of you don't realize just how bad some of this fast food is for you.

My family is on Weight Watchers, so they have a list of "points" you get from fast food places, as well as any other food. Most people get around 30+ points per day if they want to lose weight, and around 40 if they just want to stay the same.

White Castle Onion Chips - SIX OF THE ONION CHIPS = 13pts

Fetuccini Alfredo - 80pts

TGI Friday's Potato Skins - 3pts each. That means that a full order of skins constitutes your entire meal for the day.

With McDonalds/Arbys/Wendys, the numbers get even worse.

Most people just don't know these things. Did YOU know that eating Fetuccini Alfredo is equivalent in calorie and fat content to TWO FULL DAYS of eating?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 1, 2002, 12:09 pm

ALL-BEEF patties.. not 50%fat.. not 30% fat.. ALL BEEF

all beef does not mean fat free.

beef means meat from a cow. Meat is both the proteinaceous lean portion as well as the fat intercalated within the tissue, as well as various other types of connective tissues.

all-beef means that it isn't 50% beaf, 30% cereal filler, 15% pork nuts, and 5% rat turds.

cheese

fat

special sauce

hmmm, well most sauces are more or less derivations of butter, cream, or oil all of which = fat. in this case it is mayonaise and ketchup.

from the irrefutable internet wrote: Big Mac, 570 Calories, 280 Calories from Fat, 32 grams of Fat, 10 grams of Saturated Fat, 85 mg. of Cholesterol, 1100 mg. of Sodium, 45 grams of Carbohydrates, 26 grams of Protein.

McDonald's furnishes this information to the public, in fact I believe it is posted on the wall in almost all of their restaurants in a small print grid thing, but it is there.

as for the coffee thing, sorry coffee is hot. i'd say easily 95% of the cups of coffee i've had in my life would render me uncouncious if i poured them on my crotch within a couple of minutes of them leaving the pot.

If McDonald's is going to have to label their food, every restaurant will.

and i'm sorry i don't want to go to Chops and order a filet, and have a fucking notary come out to the table while i fucking sign a disclaimer signifying that i am aware of the potential health risks eating a steak may impart upon me, my family, my pets, as well as anybody who has to occupy the same airspace as me for the following 4 hours.

i do want the lawyer who took this case to continue to make television appearances where he is mocked into submission for being a complete piece of shit weasel.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 12:30 pm

As for the coffee:

Most restaurants keep their coffee at around 140 degrees, 150 tops. McDonalds was keeping theirs at around 180 degrees, 190 tops.

At 190 degrees, you will suffer THIRD DEGREE BURNS after 3 seconds of contact with your skin.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 1, 2002, 12:40 pm

any particular reason they keep it so hot?

it is just gonna cause more H20 to evaporate, making the coffee turn to sludge faster.

or are they hoping to keep it too hot for their customers to actually taste how horrible it is?

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 12:50 pm

The higher temperature you brew the coffee, the more coffee you can make per coffee bean.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 1:15 pm

I don't give a fuck if McDonald's has had complaints in the past or not. She managed to severly hurt herself by making a mistake with a product that 100 Billion other people manage to buy and drink and not hurt themselves. This is Darwinism in progress. She is the weakest link. That is the issue at hand, and that is what bothered me.

The fact is, if the grandson had not "stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee." and if she hadn't "placed the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from the cup." Then there never would've been a problem.

I'm amazed someone this inept lived to be 81. Even Corky, the kool-aid drinking retard would know better than to place hot liquids in a styrofoam cup between his knees and attempt to open it. And if he did burn his retarded genitals, I'm sure even he would have enough of a grasp on basic human logic to know it was his own fault.

How fucked up is it that people can actually form an argument in support of a moron who admitted to making the mistake that got them hurt in the first place.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 1:25 pm

For those of you that might not know, Third Degree burns are the worst kind. I believe it represents muscle and nerve damage.

If the woman knew that what she was holding would cause severe muscle and nerve damage if it contacted her skin within THREE SECONDS, I doubt she would have tried to open the coffee in the car.

Like the lawsuit said, there is a difference between hot and dangerously hot.

All the woman wanted was 20k to pay for the medical expenses, and McDonalds refused.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » August 1, 2002, 1:37 pm

They post the nutrition information, if you're too stupid to understand what 60-80 grams of fat for lunch 5x's a week is going to do to your arteries, ass, waist, etc., too bad for joo.

IMO, they're resposible for letting you know what is in the food they serve, NOT how that food is going to impact your health. I think that's what this jackass is trying to debate so he can get rich.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 2:43 pm

Searyx wrote:For those of you that might not know, Third Degree burns are the worst kind. I believe it represents muscle and nerve damage.

If the woman knew that what she was holding would cause severe muscle and nerve damage if it contacted her skin within THREE SECONDS, I doubt she would have tried to open the coffee in the car.

Like the lawsuit said, there is a difference between hot and dangerously hot.

Ok, Searyx, I'll play along.

So, by your logic, we assume the woman knew the coffee was hot, but not dangerously hot.

The lawsuite tries to confuse people with degrees and what-not, but the fact is - hot is hot. Please note that the coffee was not boiling like most of the coffee and soup that I drink, however, it was indeed hot. So, the woman knew the coffee was hot, just not how hot it was.

So when she put the coffee between her legs, was she thinking "this coffe sure is hot, but not 3rd degree burns hot, so I'll go ahead and act like a retard and do it anyway because I'll just get severe pain, not severe pain and disfigurement"? Hell no. She wasn't thinking at all. Also note that she was 81 years old. I doubt she was as nimble as a cat either. So, she made a series of bad judgment calls. She paid the price for her stupidity with a burnt crotch.

Futhermore, I find her guilty of not having common sense. I crime punishable by getting laughed at and also includes getting no sympathy from me.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 3:05 pm

A company wouldn't sell molten lead with a warning saying "Contents are hot", would they?

The coffee you drink and the soup you eat is NOT boiling. Boiling would fry your throat in a matter of seconds. Because of the McDonalds containers, the heat is retained better than your average coffee mug.

Also, McDonalds is the only large food chain that served coffee at that high a temperature. All other places hover around 140 degrees, which is still VERY hot.

After the lawsuit, McDonalds lowered their coffee temperature to between 140 and 150 degrees, so obviously the lawsuit did some good.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 3:17 pm

so obviously the lawsuit did some good.

Yeah, I'll rank this right up there with the importance of the "WARNING: DO NOT EAT" that appears on rat poison. The world is now a better place thanks to yet another stupid law suite. Just when you think humanity has hit rock bottom, people like this grab a shovel and start digging.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 3:41 pm

There is a distinct difference. I am pretty sure I'm not the only person who has spilled a drink on himself before.

You cannot tell how hot McDonalds coffee is by feeling the container. There was no way to know that if she spilled some on herself, it would burn her as bad as it did.

I've had coffee spilled on me before. I did not suffer burns of any kind. This woman suffered 3rd degree burns over 7% of her body. That is called "too hot" and deserves a special warning.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 1, 2002, 4:34 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I don't give a fuck if McDonald's has had complaints in the past or not. She managed to severly hurt herself by making a mistake with a product that 100 Billion other people manage to buy and drink and not hurt themselves. This is Darwinism in progress. She is the weakest link. That is the issue at hand, and that is what bothered me.

You have never in your entire life spilled something on yourself or had someone accidentally spill something on you? Wow, you must me some sort of ninja.

I splilled starbucks coffee once on my arm when the counter idiot didn't put the lid on correctly. It hurt like a fucker and I had a big pink patch of skin on my arm for a few days and it stung. Then it went away. If this was the same temperature that this Mcdonalds served their coffee I would have needed a skin graft off my fucking ass and still would have been permanently scarred. Oh, but it's my fault for being so clumsy. Accidents never happen.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 5:09 pm

I just happened to have hit my finger with a hammer 2 nights ago. You don't see me sueing Craftsman.

The problem is that people do not have accidents anymore. Someone else is always to blame, usually to the tune of millions.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 1, 2002, 5:12 pm

We're talking about the McDonalds suit. Not the frivilous suits that often get thrown out of court. In the McDonalds suit (yes, I know I'm repeating myself) the woman wanted ONLY ENOUGH TO PAY THE MEDICAL BILLS. McDonalds refused. She got a lawyer, and ended up getting a lot more than the medical bills. McDonalds relented and lowered the temperature of their coffee below dangerous levels.

Think about that. THREE SECONDS and you're gonna need a skin graft.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 1, 2002, 5:19 pm

The McDonalds thing comes under the concept of "forseeable consequences." People spill coffee all the time. We're clumsy monkeys, especially before that first cup of gov't approved stimulant.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 1, 2002, 5:25 pm

geez Kyoukan yua dumb fuck, I always check the lid before I go sloshing it around and therefore I do not get burned. It is called common sense, and I do not expect minimum wage coffer makers or Kyoukans to understand.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 1, 2002, 5:29 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I just happened to have hit my finger with a hammer 2 nights ago. You don't see me sueing Craftsman.

That doesn't even remotely compare. Are you a retard? Do you have issues with reading comprehension? ADD? The damages were not rewarded as part of an accident, they were awarded as a result of negligence on part of Mcdonald's for serving something WAY hotter than they should have. How many fucking times and in how many fucking ways do I have to put this?

THE DAMAGES WERE NOT PAID BECAUSE SHE SPILLED COFFEE ON HERSELF. THEY WERE PAID BECAUSE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD WAS UNSAFE.

THE DAMAGES WERE NOT PAID BECAUSE SHE SPILLED COFFEE ON HERSELF. THEY WERE PAID BECAUSE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD WAS UNSAFE.

THE DAMAGES WERE NOT PAID BECAUSE SHE SPILLED COFFEE ON HERSELF. THEY WERE PAID BECAUSE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD WAS UNSAFE.

THE DAMAGES WERE NOT PAID BECAUSE SHE SPILLED COFFEE ON HERSELF. THEY WERE PAID BECAUSE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD WAS UNSAFE.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 5:50 pm

There are 2 seperate arguments here.

1. The coffee was too hot.

2. She spilled the coffee on herself.

I do not and will not conceed the #1 was true due to the fact that millions of people drink McDonald's coffee every day and somehow survive the incident with thier genitals intact. The logical conclusion is that everyone else in the world is doing something right, and that this woman did something wrong. My argument stems from the fact that #1 shouldn't be and isn't an issue with people that use common sense and keep the lid on thier cup of coffee.

Had the contents of the cup stayed in the cup, she never would've been burnt. She made the error and wants someone else to pick up the bill. I call that not taken responsibilities for her actions.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 1, 2002, 6:01 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I do not and will not conceed the #1 was true due to the fact that millions of people drink McDonald's coffee every day and somehow survive the incident with thier genitals intact.

Not every Mcdonald's in the world draws their coffee from the same magical communal pot.

Are you sincerely saying that no one has ever accidentally spilled coffee onto their lap? Accidents never happen? And if they do manage to spill it on themselves, that they are completely liable even if the liquid was hot enough to disfigure them, a completely undrinkable temperature? Do you also think people killed by drunk drivers deserve to die for not getting out of the way fast enough?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 1, 2002, 7:06 pm

Yes, every McDonald's maintains the exact same standards no matter where you are in the world. I worked at one while I was in high school for almost 2 years and there is a reason they are #1 in the world of fast food. Everything they do is based on what can only be described as an almost militant enforcement policy. So in that sense, yes, all the coffee in all the McDonalds in the world are the same temperature. How else do you think they were able to quote actual numbers in the trial? McDonalds has a standard for everything from refirgerator temps to how many napkins you are suppossed to give a customer based on what they ordered.

And like I said above, yes I make mistakes, I just don't blame others for my stupidity.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 1, 2002, 7:10 pm

Well you are wrong because it was shown in this trial, and in the webpage that this particular Mcdonald's was serving it's coffee too hot. Illegally too hot. I ask again: Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Because I think you do.

I don't know how many fucking times I have to spam that the spill IS NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here. Maybe if I carved it onto a baseball bat and hit you over the head with it that would help you figure it the fuck out? Let me know!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 1, 2002, 7:14 pm

just because McDonalds has a standard temperature for coffee pots doesnt mean this particular pot was at Temperature X.

the thermostat could have been defective, or an employee could have simply ignored the policy.

and if the coffee was at an absurd temperature, then that is of course.

however, holding a styrofoam coffee cup between your legs is retarded, period.

so i'll defer to the judge on this case.

the case where the fat bastard had his mind controlled by big macs and got a heart attack and kept going back, well, that guy unfortunatly lived through reproductive age. proof that Big Mac's are not nearly hazardous enough.

Shanks · Post by **Shanks** » August 1, 2002, 7:41 pm

And like I said above, yes I make mistakes, I just don't blame others for my stupidity.

You should really try and find someone to blame for the stupidity you've displayed in this thread. You might come out a millionaire if you play your cards right.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 1, 2002, 8:00 pm

Was listening to talk radio last night, during a discussion about the fast food fatty food lawsuit. One guy called in and suggested that Fast Food Restaurants deny service to overweight people. It obviously can't happen, because a discrimination suit would follow. But I imagined a few 'mock up' situations in my head real quick and couldn't stop laughing.

And then started thinking about people trying to enforce it in the drive through.

"uhh, I'm sorry sir, you sound fat. I'm going to have to ask you to leave."

I'll admit, it was really late, and that makes me easily amused.

bye now

p.s. 1 day 8 hours until my apocalypse

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 1, 2002, 8:07 pm

Well Greasy McFatass suing Mcdonalds for making him into a disgusting slob is another issue altogether. Although I will withold any comments about tort reform until the case is concluded. I doubt that he will even make it to trial.

I would suggest though, that Mcdonalds and other places do make their nutritional information more prominent then a handout you can get if you ask for it. Other food products are required to label everything with the nutritional info, but restaurants do not. This is especially relevent for fast food outlets where the fat content is insanely high.

One could also make the argument that marketing and promotions of fast food products are so prevalent in society that people begin to subconsciously associate hunger with fast food. A healthy lifestyle is more difficult and expensive to maintain than devouring junk food all day long, and these corporations go to inordinate lengths to insure that this status quo is maintained.

Still, this doesn't make them liable for it from a legal point of view.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 2, 2002, 12:39 am

in the webpage that this particular Mcdonald's was serving it's coffee too hot. Illegally too hot. I ask again: Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Because I think you do.

Who has the reading comprehension problem again? Where the fuck does it say this particular McDonald's coffee was too hot? Where does it say it's illeagal to serve coffee above 150 degrees? Let me save you the search. It dosen't say that anywhere, douchebag! You're wrong! Dead fucking wrong! What the fuck you got to say about that?

During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992.

700 people in 10 years? Some involved 3rd degree burns? Once again, the lowest common denominator. 1/10000000th of the people that consumed coffee at McDonalds worldwide burnt themselves enough to complain. I think those statistics are right up there with the number of people that get killed by mallard ducks every year. BIG FUCKING DEAL.

McDonald's also said during discovery that, based on a consultant's advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste.

Further, McDonald's quality assurance manager testified that the company actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 degrees, plus or minus five degrees.

Once again, I'll say this for the slow people, McDonalds has a worldwide standard of serving really fucking hot coffee. This resturaunt adhered to that standard. Millions of people drink the same goddamn coffee everyday and somehow survive. I call this operator error and write off the whole law suite as a waste of time, money, and resources.

Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the local Albuquerque McDonald's had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit.

This particular McDonalds was at 158 degrees after the trial. I have no idea if it was instigated worldwide or not and I don't really feel like looking it up. If you find an article that supports that theory, please post it becasue I am interested to know. Note to Kyoukan: It must actually say so in the article, you cannot make shit up and write it as fact.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 2, 2002, 1:09 am

I would assume there is a law written that states that you cannot sell anything dangerous without a proper warning.

"Contents may be hot" is not a proper warning when dealing with something that can cause muscle, tissue, and nerve damage in a little over 3 seconds of contact.

If you had spilled McDonalds coffee on yourself, for whatever reason, BEFORE this ever took place, would you have expected that kind of damage to yourself?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 2, 2002, 9:50 am

I would assume there is a law written that states that you cannot sell anything dangerous without a proper warning.

And I would assume that McDonalds would know that law better than you or I. I don't think they would instigate a worldwide policy if it was against the law. If you happen upon some facts and not just personal assumptions, I'm willing to listen.

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » August 2, 2002, 1:00 pm

It's called bean counting. You calculate how much you save by serving your coffee at 190 degrees instead of 150, and weigh that against the out of court settlements due to 3rd degree burns.

If you save more than the out of court settlements would cost, you don't change the coffee.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 2, 2002, 1:05 pm

p.s. 1 day 8 hours until my apocalypse

Is there a book respository is your future, Truant?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 2, 2002, 2:30 pm

When your marketing a product that differs substantially from everyone elses, and that difference makes it dangerous I think you should be liable for damages. Especially when your already aware of the "defect" and issues it has caused.

I don't eat fast food of any sort anymore, it really disgusts me. There aren't many less healthy choices available out there that are marketed as "food". Pizza from a non-domino's type place doesn't count.

I vote for Searyx sticking his tallywhacker in a cup of McDonalds coffee for 3 seconds as a test case.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 2, 2002, 2:45 pm

"Contents may be hot" is not a proper warning when dealing with something that can cause muscle, tissue, and nerve damage in a little over 3 seconds of contact.

maybe they should change it to
"Contents may be hot, that means don't spill it on yourself retard!"

Does that satisfy you searyx?

I FUCKING HATE people who don't take responsibility for their own actions, whether it is an accident or not. If I accidentally run my car into someone walking across the street and kill them I AM STILL LIABLE for my actions. I don't sue the fucking car company and say they had faulty brakes. The question in this case is whether or not the coffee was being served too hot. The statistics show that it was not.

Now if I read a label that says CAUTION: Contents may be hot, I fucking take caution, cuz you know what? the contents may be fucking HOT. I don't take the lid off of a cup of fresh served coffee between my knees in the damn car.

This woman's actions were completely moronic. It had to do with the fact that she is 80+ years old and did not have the dexterity required to handle a hot cup of coffee. It had nothing to do with whether the actual coffee was too hot or not. Had the coffee been 20 degrees cooler, she would've still burned herself, but not enough to file a law suite?

The law suite tells me that if I burn myself with 180 degree liquid I am not liable, but if I burn myself with 160 degree liquid I am liable. That is fucking ridiculous.

I can understand why searyx is on the dumbfuck side but not why you are kyoukan. My guess is that you are such a corporation hater that you let it cloud your judgement.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 2, 2002, 3:15 pm

I mentioned "forseeable consequences" eariler.

Facts in this case:

Water at 150 degrees F will take about 10-15 seconds to cause serious damage.

Water at 190 degrees F will take about 3-5 seconds to cause the same.

People spill drinks, often on themselves or others.

All these facts were known by the suits who run McDonald's. They chose to serve magma in a cup even though it was clearly more dangerous to their customers.