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http://www.click2houston.com/news/2165653/detail.html
KATY, Texas -- Some Houston-area residents said they were upset Monday at the way a Texas Parks & Wildlife Department game warden got rid of 9-foot alligator in their neighborhood.

Residents told News2Houston that they called authorities after discovering the gator Thursday in the middle of a road in the 22000 block of Lodgestone Court in a Cinco Ranch neighborhood in Katy.

Witnesses recorded the gator's capture on videotape, in which the game warden was seen tying the animal to the back of his pickup, and then dragging it down the street while children and parents watched.

"It was very inhumane," resident Lara Mercadante said. "It was awful. It was absolutely unreal. If you weren't here you would not believe that it happened. We never thought that it was going to end up the way it did."

The game warden then took the alligator to the end of the street, and shot and killed it, authorities said.

TPWD officials said that although it is not typical practice for their officers to tow a live alligator behind a truck, they believe that the game warden followed what he felt was the most effective course of action.

However, officials said that as of a result of the incident, they are now reviewing their policies regarding nuisance alligator removal.
What the hell? I heard they do that a lot to "the coloreds" down there in texas, but usually late at night when no one's filming. What in the name of all that is holy would possess a fish and game warden to drag an alligator down the street and then shoot it? Do they just hire winos and Bush family members in the wildlife department down there?
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I've seen a few alligators in my back yard, its fun to throw golf balls or water balloons at them.
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they usually shoot em anyway, i dunno why he did it at the end of the street though
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sarpranous wrote:they usually shoot em anyway, i dunno why he did it at the end of the street though

From What I heard from the local news here was the Gator was 9ft long, there were kids in the area and the game warden did not want to shoot the Gator in front of the kids. So he dragged the gator behind the truck kids in texas are use to that.
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It's just a damn gator.

If you're worried about the humane treatment of animals which are dangerous and/or nuisances, you'd be a hypocrite not to be concerned about the treatment of harmless, domesticated livestock when they are slaughtered.

I've seen a 60 Minutes documentary where a farm simply ran a buzzsaw through the throats of their steers. It takes several minutes for those poor suckers to die while choking on their own blood.

Does this shit really bother me? Not really. I don't get into that karmic bullshit wherein you ponder whether or not the animal whose meat you are eating happened to be graced with a relatively swift death.

While I normally wouldn't hesitate to poke fun at the inhabitants of the backwater, loony, redneck, NRA hotbed of a dump called Texas, I'm afraid I have to qualify your post as nitpicking. #-o
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Kelgar wrote:It's just a damn gator.

If you're worried about the humane treatment of animals which are dangerous and/or nuisances, you'd be a hypocrite not to be concerned about the treatment of harmless, domesticated livestock when they are slaughtered.

I've seen a 60 Minutes documentary where a farm simply ran a buzzsaw through the throats of their steers. It takes several minutes for those poor suckers to die while choking on their own blood.

Does this shit really bother me? Not really. I don't get into that karmic bullshit wherein you ponder whether or not the animal whose meat you are eating happened to be graced with a relatively swift death.

While I normally wouldn't hesitate to poke fun at the inhabitants of the backwater, loony, redneck, NRA hotbed of a dump called Texas, I'm afraid I have to qualify your post as nitpicking. #-o

Your just Bitter over the fact that Green Bay is Dallas's Bitch in football :lol:
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WTF are you smoking?

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that I was a GB fan based on my post? I'm a Bucs fan you asspirate.
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Kelgar wrote:WTF are you smoking?

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that I was a GB fan based on my post? I'm a Bucs fan you asspirate.

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kyoukan wrote:http://www.click2houston.com/news/2165653/detail.html
KATY, Texas -- Some Houston-area residents said they were upset Monday at the way a Texas Parks & Wildlife Department game warden got rid of 9-foot alligator in their neighborhood.

Residents told News2Houston that they called authorities after discovering the gator Thursday in the middle of a road in the 22000 block of Lodgestone Court in a Cinco Ranch neighborhood in Katy.

Witnesses recorded the gator's capture on videotape, in which the game warden was seen tying the animal to the back of his pickup, and then dragging it down the street while children and parents watched.

"It was very inhumane," resident Lara Mercadante said. "It was awful. It was absolutely unreal. If you weren't here you would not believe that it happened. We never thought that it was going to end up the way it did."

The game warden then took the alligator to the end of the street, and shot and killed it, authorities said.

TPWD officials said that although it is not typical practice for their officers to tow a live alligator behind a truck, they believe that the game warden followed what he felt was the most effective course of action.

However, officials said that as of a result of the incident, they are now reviewing their policies regarding nuisance alligator removal.
What the hell? I heard they do that a lot to "the coloreds" down there in texas, but usually late at night when no one's filming. What in the name of all that is holy would possess a fish and game warden to drag an alligator down the street and then shoot it? Do they just hire winos and Bush family members in the wildlife department down there?
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Reminds me of some local lore about the name of a town just north of Houston called Cut and Shoot (or Cut n' Shoot). While written history attributes the name to some silly comment a boy made during an argument between the community's religious, I've always heard (from locals) that it was named after some fun games with Negros! This town puts the "po" in podunk, and the K in KKK...
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Kelgar wrote:It's just a damn gator.

If you're worried about the humane treatment of animals which are dangerous and/or nuisances, you'd be a hypocrite not to be concerned about the treatment of harmless, domesticated livestock when they are slaughtered.

I've seen a 60 Minutes documentary where a farm simply ran a buzzsaw through the throats of their steers. It takes several minutes for those poor suckers to die while choking on their own blood.

Does this shit really bother me? Not really. I don't get into that karmic bullshit wherein you ponder whether or not the animal whose meat you are eating happened to be graced with a relatively swift death.
People used to say "It's just a blue whale" or "It's just a florida panther"... there have been lots of people who said that about lots of animal species in the past, and they're largely extinct or endangered now.

The difference between a gator and livestock is that gators are a wild animal. They are raised in the wild, live in the wild, and die in the wild. (Under normal circumstances.)

Livestock, for the most part, are bred to be killed for their meat. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the practice of eating meat, just pointing out that saying the situations are similar is incorrect.

The gator was killed because it is a potentially dangerous animal. Living in Florida, I can tell you that there are PLENTY of other ways to deal with them. When they catch them in a pool or garage here, they usually tranquilize them, tie them up, and then release them back into the wild.

Dragging an animal behind a truck on the concrete, and then shooting it is unacceptable, and I hope this guy loses his job. A Parks and Wildlife warden should be protecting wildlife, not destroying it.
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And people wonder why I got the hell out of Texas.. heh.

They used to say "But it's JUST a black guy!" as well btw.
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Dragging an animal behind a truck on the concrete, and then shooting it is unacceptable, and I hope this guy loses his job. A Parks and Wildlife warden should be protecting wildlife, not destroying it.
I agree with Xoucow here. There are times when animals become "too domesticated" and those are the times when the animals should be sent to zoo or if necessary, destroyed.

Where I come from, the most common nuisance is black bears, but the Fish and Wildlife officers attempt to trap and tranq the animals. The "offending" animal is painted on release to mark if for a couple months. If a painted animal (i.e. a garbage bear that lives at landfills and is unwilling/unable to survive in the wild, etc) is recaptured, then it goes into a zoo or is (more commonly) destroyed.

Safety to the public should come first in dealing with these animals but that doesn't mean you need to resort to lethal means all the time.
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You cannot make a rational excuse for this sort of cruelty, you just can't. Please, stop trying.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:You cannot make a rational excuse for this sort of cruelty, you just can't. Please, stop trying.
Your Right they should of just shot the Gator there.
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Cartalas wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:You cannot make a rational excuse for this sort of cruelty, you just can't. Please, stop trying.
Your Right they should of just shot the Gator there.
yeah lets kill alligators for being alligators.

there has to be what, 999,999 sq miles of nothing in TX, right? i'm sure at least a fair portion of that is suitable habit for a gator.

you catch the gator, duct tape his mouth shut, put him in the pickup, and drive him to somewhere good for gators, and let him loose. and i imagine even though that isnt free, it costs a lot less than a public relations shitstorm on your front porch.
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Voronwë wrote:
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Krimson Klaw wrote:You cannot make a rational excuse for this sort of cruelty, you just can't. Please, stop trying.
Your Right they should of just shot the Gator there.
yeah lets kill alligators for being alligators.

there has to be what, 999,999 sq miles of nothing in TX, right? i'm sure at least a fair portion of that is suitable habit for a gator.

you catch the gator, duct tape his mouth shut, put him in the pickup, and drive him to somewhere good for gators, and let him loose. and i imagine even though that isnt free, it costs a lot less than a public relations shitstorm on your front porch.

Okay Mister Gator lover fair enough just dont be bitching up a storm when some kids arm getss ripped off.
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hey dipshit, alligators and crocodiles average 1 kill per year over the last 30 years in the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/09 ... s.attacks/

they are not dangerous animals to humans. I know that may be hard for you to believe because Tarzan used to have some pretty mean battles w/ them.

but those were crocodiles in Africa (which do like to munch on Egyptians) but alligators are not crocodiles. And Texas isnt in Africa.

I know all of this is dreadfully complex.

i would go so far as to say curling irons, flinstones vitamens, and maybe nerf hoops sets kill more people than that.
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Just give it up, you lost him when you said "alligators AND crocodiles".
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Voronwë wrote:hey dipshit, alligators and crocodiles average 1 kill per year over the last 30 years in the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/09 ... s.attacks/

they are not dangerous animals to humans. I know that may be hard for you to believe because Tarzan used to have some pretty mean battles w/ them.

but those were crocodiles in Africa (which do like to munch on Egyptians) but alligators are not crocodiles. And Texas isnt in Africa.

I know all of this is dreadfully complex.

i would go so far as to say curling irons, flinstones vitamens, and maybe nerf hoops sets kill more people than that.

Well now we resort to name calling, Ok VitaVega Man 1 Death a year is to many so put that in your Gator Wallet and spend it.
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But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
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fuck the gators!


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Kelshara wrote:But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
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this calls for:

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pipe down now or the next one is a shot w/ the kicker in it!
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Thanx Spang That was great. :lol: Of course Vman did have a healthy come back.
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Cartalas wrote:
Kelshara wrote:But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
If a dog kills a child. Hell yes put him down!! But I see you value animals more then humans, which is fine I can understand that comming from a sheep lover as yourself.
cartalas, so do you shoot a dog just in case sometime in the future it may harm a child?

(hint: this would be what they did to the alligator)
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Voronwë wrote:this calls for:

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Gotta follow that up with:
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keep your buckeye nonsense out of some intrastate trash talk!!!
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Voronwë wrote:
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Kelshara wrote:But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
If a dog kills a child. Hell yes put him down!! But I see you value animals more then humans, which is fine I can understand that comming from a sheep lover as yourself.
cartalas, so do you shoot a dog just in case sometime in the future it may harm a child?

(hint: this would be what they did to the alligator)

No Voronowe you wouldnt but lets compare apples to apples, Not apples to Watermelons. A Gator is by nature dangerous, the reason the # that you posted "1 death per year" is so low is because people realize this and dont go playing fetch with a Fucking Gator. If I see a Scorpion I step on it knowing it will hurt me given the chance, I dont stop traffic and call the DNR to have the Damn thing relocated.
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Voronwë wrote:
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Kelshara wrote:But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
If a dog kills a child. Hell yes put him down!! But I see you value animals more then humans, which is fine I can understand that comming from a sheep lover as yourself.
cartalas, so do you shoot a dog just in case sometime in the future it may harm a child?

(hint: this would be what they did to the alligator)
Why not? That's the same brilliant logic he and his fellow sheep use to justify the Iraq invasion...

THEY MITE TRY KILL US 1 DAY!!!11!!1!!
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The alligator is an inheirantly more noble and less creepy animal than a scorpion. You're now comparing apples to grapefruits.
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Lalanae wrote:
Voronwë wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Kelshara wrote:But that in your gator wallet? heh.

Guess it is time to start shooting people then.. after all they kill a hell of a lot more people than gators do. Pretty sure dogs do as well, hell cats probably do.

Not too bright are you?
If a dog kills a child. Hell yes put him down!! But I see you value animals more then humans, which is fine I can understand that comming from a sheep lover as yourself.
cartalas, so do you shoot a dog just in case sometime in the future it may harm a child?

(hint: this would be what they did to the alligator)
Why not? That's the same brilliant logic he and his fellow sheep use to justify the Iraq invasion...

THEY MITE TRY KILL US 1 DAY!!!11!!1!!
Well seeing how well the Iraq Liberation went I guess you will never be able to prove us wrong. But then again we cant prove it either. So there ya go Stalemate.
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Cartalas wrote:But I see you value animals more then humans
Of course genius! Valuing one thing means you have to value everything else less! I had this same issue with dumbfuck Spangaloid about art and human life. You pathetic retards seem to think applying value is a multiple choice question with only one answer.

That alligator was not endangering anyone. It did not deserve to be tortured and killed in such a manner. Has NOTHING to do with how one values human life.

To even try and use that as an argument shows your complete lack of critical thinking skills.
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Lalanae wrote:
Cartalas wrote:But I see you value animals more then humans
Of course genius! Valuing one thing means you have to value everything else less! I had this same issue with dumbfuck Spangaloid about art and human life. You pathetic retards seem to think applying value is a multiple choice question with only one answer.

That alligator was not endangering anyone. It did not deserve to be tortured and killed in such a manner. Has NOTHING to do with how one values human life.

To even try and use that as an argument shows your complete lack of critical thinking skills.
No bringing in the Iraq angle shows your lack of thinking skills.
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Lalanae wrote:
Cartalas wrote:But I see you value animals more then humans
Of course genius! Valuing one thing means you have to value everything else less! I had this same issue with dumbfuck Spangaloid about art and human life. You pathetic retards seem to think applying value is a multiple choice question with only one answer.

That alligator was not endangering anyone. It did not deserve to be tortured and killed in such a manner. Has NOTHING to do with how one values human life.

To even try and use that as an argument shows your complete lack of critical thinking skills.
OMFG!!! they were in a war zone. they had to protect there own ass before protecting a fucking flower pot.
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Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Cartalas wrote:But I see you value animals more then humans
Of course genius! Valuing one thing means you have to value everything else less! I had this same issue with dumbfuck Spangaloid about art and human life. You pathetic retards seem to think applying value is a multiple choice question with only one answer.

That alligator was not endangering anyone. It did not deserve to be tortured and killed in such a manner. Has NOTHING to do with how one values human life.

To even try and use that as an argument shows your complete lack of critical thinking skills.
OMFG!!! they were in a war zone. they had to protect there own ass before protecting a fucking flower pot.

But Spang the flower pot was not hurting anyone. :lol:
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[quote="Cartalas]Well seeing how well the Iraq Liberation went I guess you will never be able to prove us wrong. But then again we cant prove it either. So there ya go Stalemate.[/quote]

OMG who can I donate all my points to to give him "Biggest Dumbfuck" as a title?

Here dipshit, let me tell you why (once again) your logic is flawed beyond repair:

1) Your administration hasn't even proven that Iraq was any real threat, MUCH LESS that they were planning any sort of attack on the US. There are no ties linking Saddam's regime to al Qaeda so you cannot site 9-11 as a reason.

2) Using your logic, we need to "liberate" N.Korea, Iran, Syria, and pretty much any Middle Eastern country because they have a) the same or more of a capability than Iraq to attack the US in the near future b) have the same or more instances of rampant anti-Americanism thereby providing motive. So you have motive and capability with these other countries, which is exactly ALL you have against Iraq. Whats the difference genius?
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Lalanae wrote:2) Using your logic, we need to "liberate" N.Korea, Iran, Syria, and pretty much any Middle Eastern country because they have a) the same or more of a capability than Iraq to attack the US in the near future b) have the same or more instances of rampant anti-Americanism thereby providing motive. So you have motive and capability with these other countries, which is exactly ALL you have against Iraq. Whats the difference genius?
Line them up and knock them down. Consequences have no bearing on rational thinking when are you are as stupid as someone like Cartalas.
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Lalanae wrote:[quote="Cartalas]Well seeing how well the Iraq Liberation went I guess you will never be able to prove us wrong. But then again we cant prove it either. So there ya go Stalemate.
OMG who can I donate all my points to to give him "Biggest Dumbfuck" as a title?

Here dipshit, let me tell you why (once again) your logic is flawed beyond repair:

1) Your administration hasn't even proven that Iraq was any real threat, MUCH LESS that they were planning any sort of attack on the US. There are no ties linking Saddam's regime to al Qaeda so you cannot site 9-11 as a reason.

2) Using your logic, we need to "liberate" N.Korea, Iran, Syria, and pretty much any Middle Eastern country because they have a) the same or more of a capability than Iraq to attack the US in the near future b) have the same or more instances of rampant anti-Americanism thereby providing motive. So you have motive and capability with these other countries, which is exactly ALL you have against Iraq. Whats the difference genius?[/quote]


I never said that was my logic you did. YOU not me brought it into a disscusion about a Fucking Gator. YOU not me are getting all worked up over this. So my work is done " I AM TROLL MAN"
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i agree with xou, living on a lake in central florida i have seen a shitload of gators around, 3-4-5 in my backyard and a few behind my jetski in the lake, there wild animals and you should just leave them alone, or release them back in the wild in a situation like that
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Your work is done showing everyone yet again how you couldn't find point B from point A with a GTS and your mommy holding your hand.

I'm just amused how everything you say has no logical relation to anything previously said. Being that stupid has to be a talent.
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Lalanae wrote:Your work is done showing everyone yet again how you couldn't find point B from point A with a GTS and your mommy holding your hand.

I'm just amused how everything you say has no logical relation to anything previously said. Being that stupid has to be a talent.

Whats a GTS ohh you mean a GPS


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he just keeps coming back for more.

must be an attention thing.
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kyoukan wrote:he just keeps coming back for more.

must be an attention thing.
Bring it on its a slow day :evil:
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Glad to see you've mastered correcting my typos and using google to find pictures. You are well on your way to logical thought!
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Something to think about in this whole situation though:

How often do you think this officer would have had to respond to a call to catch a 9 foot gator?

How would YOU lift a 9 foot gator into the back of your little ACO truck?


Now, personally, I think how he went about what he was doing was wrong. Now if he was that worried about the children watching, maybe he should have disposed of the gator right there in front of them so they knew what was done to the gator. Maybe the PARENTS could have also gotten the kids away from the officer and gator. Hell, you never know when the officer could have lost any control over the situation and been eaten. I am *sure* the parents would have rather their children have seen that.
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We don't have nearly the problem with alligators as Florida or Louisiana, but we have more alligators here in the Houston area than you would initially think. Lots of creeks and bayous around here. In the part of the city I grew up in, it wasn't uncommon for an alligator to end up near a neighborhood. Worse thing that would happen is maybe a small stray dog would get eaten.

9ft really isn't a huge alligator if you consider that the measurement includes the tail. Not saying its small, but its no monster. They also are pretty harmless provided you keep your distance. Its not like they take off after you if they see you or anything.
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if you find yourself running away from a gator

run like this

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Only a liberal could take the killing of an alligator and compare it to the racially motivated killing of African Americans. I knew racism in Houston was on the the decline, but based on your irrationial, idiotic posts, it looks like something associated with racism is actually on the rise- ignorance. Thanks Lalanae for fucking up my hopes that Houston was improving in this department.

The animal rights arguments are getting getting beyond absurd. There is no way to rationalize your "outrage" over this in the society we have today. How many millions of cows are being killed? (There Miir, I made a statement without doing the exact research...it's a perfect set up for you to post a statistic and point out how ignorant I am. Remember, millions means more than two million!!)

This is another case where people NEED TO GET A FUCKING LIFE and atleast *try* to get their priorities in order. I swear, some people HAVE to have SOMETHING to whine about.
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Brotha wrote:Only a liberal could take the killing of an alligator and compare it to the racially motivated killing of African Americans. I knew racism in Houston was on the the decline, but based on your irrationial, idiotic posts, it looks like something associated with racism is actually on the rise- ignorance. Thanks Lalanae for fucking up my hopes that Houston was improving in this department.

The animal rights arguments are getting getting beyond absurd. There is no way to rationalize your "outrage" over this in the society we have today. How many millions of cows are being killed? (There Miir, I made a statement without doing the exact research...it's a perfect set up for you to post a statistic and point out how ignorant I am. Remember, millions means more than two million!!)

This is another case where people NEED TO GET A FUCKING LIFE and atleast *try* to get their priorities in order. I swear, some people HAVE to have SOMETHING to whine about.

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