Now im not posting this to get everyone started again!!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 4:56 pm

This is on the CNN front page

Member of group with al Qaeda ties captured in Iraq, sources tell CNN. Details soon.

miir · Post by **miir** » April 29, 2003, 5:02 pm

Grasping at straws

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 5:06 pm

Nope just posting what I see.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 29, 2003, 5:11 pm

Funny, it's not on the frontpage of CNN anymore. Wow, another unconfirmed story that turned out to be false? I refuse to believe that!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 29, 2003, 5:11 pm

how about a link or that too much brainpower for you to muster. I don't see jack fucking squat on it on CNN's front page.

miir · Post by **miir** » April 29, 2003, 5:12 pm

It took me a few minutes to find it, but those 15 words are indeed, on the front page of CNN.

There is no story.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 29, 2003, 5:15 pm

There's also currently no story on msnbc.com or news.bbc.co.uk.

I CAN'T BELIEVE TED TURNER WOULD DO THIS TO US!

miir · Post by **miir** » April 29, 2003, 5:17 pm

Sensationalism to excite the simpletons.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 29, 2003, 5:34 pm

miir wrote:It took me a few minutes to find it, but those 15 words are indeed, on the front page of CNN.

There is no story.

> NEWS ALERTMember of group with al Qaeda ties captured in Iraq, sources tell CNN. Details soon.

tough to see that at the top of the front page /boggle

miir · Post by **miir** » April 29, 2003, 5:38 pm

Yeah, it's usually an advert up there so I usually completely ignore that portion of the page.... I think quite a few people do the same.

CNN.com isnt exactly a paragon of web design.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 29, 2003, 5:45 pm

miir wrote:Yeah, it's usually an advert up there so I usually completely ignore that portion of the page.... I think quite a few people do the same.

CNN.com isnt exactly a paragon of web design.

Might want to use smaller words than paragon for him.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » April 29, 2003, 5:48 pm

Here be the link to the full story:

Ted Turner Own's Joo!

Of course, the last sentance is overly downplayed in its wording:

Administration officials say they do not know yet whether the newly captured individual -- as yet not named by U.S. officials -- had any connections with the government of Iraq.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 29, 2003, 5:53 pm

Administration officials say they do not know yet whether the newly captured individual -- as yet not named by U.S. officials -- had any connections with the government of Iraq.

At the very bottom, a point that will be disregarded by all the Bush-lovin bufoons that will take this capture to mean that the former Iraqi govt supported al Qaeda and that invading Iraq is some retribution for 9/11.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 29, 2003, 6:21 pm

anyways, this is the guy Powell was talking about in his big speech to the security council.

he is part of an "al-Queda-affilitated group". not really sure what that term means, so i guess we'll have to wait to see whether or not this is anything substantial.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 29, 2003, 6:23 pm

Voronwë wrote:...part of an "al-Queda-affilitated group"...

Maybe the Al Queada PTA?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 6:28 pm

kyoukan wrote:how about a link or that too much brainpower for you to muster. I don't see jack fucking squat on it on CNN's front page.

Here is your link seeing that you cant even muster the Brain power to type in CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 29, 2003, 6:35 pm

she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 6:44 pm

Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.

BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TOO, ITS CALLED APPLIED DENIAL!!!

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » April 29, 2003, 6:49 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.

BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TOO, ITS CALLED APPLIED DENIAL!!!

It's called proper usage of the wor to

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » April 29, 2003, 6:54 pm

MORE TOP STORIES

• U.S. troops leave school after clash with Iraqis | Video

• Sources: Member of al Qaeda-linked group caught in Iraq

• Iraqi who helped rescue Jessica Lynch granted asylum

• Missing boy's family faces tense wait for DNA results

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• CNN/Money: U.S. to unveil new $20 bill next month

• CNNRadio: Latest updates

Upper left corner, next to a picture.

or for a more clear:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/2 ... nfront.JPG

Mind you this is purely an arguement of semantics. Don't get all pissy if you can't find things.

I will wait to pass judgement on the veracity of the article. This, like so many other Hot off the presses scoops, will probably turn out false, or at least, questionable.

however this:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senior Bush administration officials Tuesday said

makes me question it. Sorry. I am becoming jaded.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 6:55 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.

BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TOO, ITS CALLED APPLIED DENIAL!!!
It's called proper usage of the wor to

????????????

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 29, 2003, 6:55 pm

Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.

she also wanted a link too, Ms. Smarty Pants

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 6:57 pm

Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.
she also wanted a link too, Ms. Smarty Pants

Ahhh Dont get made at her she was busy flippin the man in the pink canoe

miir · Post by **miir** » April 29, 2003, 7:08 pm

Fizzle, it wasn't under 'more top stories' until over an hour after cart posted...

It was a little banner right under where the RENTING DVDs ONLINE IS GREAT.

Since people don't usually go to CNN to look at adverts, and nothing noteworthy is usually on the top 2-3 inches of the screen, it's understandable how it was easily missed.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 29, 2003, 7:14 pm

miir wrote:Fizzle, it wasn't under 'more top stories' until over an hour after cart posted...

It was a little banner right under where the RENTING DVDs ONLINE IS GREAT.

Since people don't usually go to CNN to look at adverts, and nothing noteworthy is usually on the top 2-3 inches of the screen, it's understandable how it was easily missed.

Yeah Fizzle you couldnt see it because of ALL THE FUCKING RED AROUND IT!!!!!

Oh and I forgot the Words "BREAKING NEWS" got in the way

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 29, 2003, 7:19 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Voronwë wrote:...part of an "al-Queda-affilitated group"...
Maybe the Al Queada PTA?

They all recently bought beard trimmers.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » April 29, 2003, 7:25 pm

miir wrote:Fizzle, it wasn't under 'more top stories' until over an hour after cart posted...

It was a little banner right under where the RENTING DVDs ONLINE IS GREAT.

Since people don't usually go to CNN to look at adverts, and nothing noteworthy is usually on the top 2-3 inches of the screen, it's understandable how it was easily missed.

ah

Yeah, CNN does change their page 2-3 times a day, (if not more).

I can see your point.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » April 29, 2003, 7:28 pm

and, In Kyo's defense. If she links to the INTERNATIONAL edition of CNN, it doesn't even show it at all.

MORE TOP STORIES

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• Asylum for Lynch rescue Iraqi

• U.S. to pull out of Saudi base | Video

• Franks to face Iraq warcrimes case

• SARS Toronto ban lifted | Vigilance urged | SARS summit

• 45 charged over Djindjic murder

World News | Asia News | Europe News

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » April 29, 2003, 7:49 pm

dude theres been at least 5 people in the US that had ties to al'quaeda, im sure theres at least 10-30 more in the US undiscovered, people living in the US caused 9/11 (not sure if they were citizens or not)
doesnt mean jack shit where they are

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 29, 2003, 7:55 pm

Xzion wrote:dude theres been at least 5 people in the US that had ties to al'quaeda, im sure theres at least 10-30 more in the US undiscovered, people living in the US caused 9/11 (not sure if they were citizens or not)
doesnt mean jack shit where they are

i see your point, the only thing is, the incident happened in the US so naturally there will be some Al Quaeda in the US.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 29, 2003, 10:07 pm

Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.
she also wanted a link too, Ms. Smarty Pants

and you wonder why people criticize your intellectual capabilities...

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 29, 2003, 10:19 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Lalanae wrote:she said she didn't see anything on the front page dork. Read what you quoted.
she also wanted a link too, Ms. Smarty Pants
and you wonder why people criticize your intellectual capabilities...

not that i know of...most people do the wondering for me...i'm just fucking bored...commenting on threads and posts passes the time away. ever watch Shawshank. prison time is slow time, etc...well that's kinda what i'm going thru and how i look at my situation.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » April 30, 2003, 1:44 am

Lalanae, please don't quote Spangevoid: I can understand and appreciate him so much more when all I see from him is:

You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.

How the hell someone trained this gerbil do anything more than mop floors in the army is truly baffling to me...

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 30, 2003, 1:56 am

Wulfran wrote:Lalanae, please don't quote Spangevoid: I can understand and appreciate him so much more when all I see from him is:
You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.
How the hell someone trained this gerbil do anything more than mop floors in the army is truly baffling to me...

the feeling is mutual

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » April 30, 2003, 2:50 pm

My comment is this, who cares? Al Qaeda are being found in lots of countries, even America, and you are busting a nut over ONE found in Iraq? Can you right wingers that are even to the right of me start using some common sense before posting drivel?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » April 30, 2003, 4:53 pm

Krimson, this was a big part of Powell's presentation. The purpose was to show that Saddam and Al Qaeda did not hate each other's guts- this directly proves that in the same way that the letter does because, as Powell said, these people were operating in Baghdad with Saddam's knowledge. The letter and this are both just the tip of the iceberg I believe and it will be found that Saddam had a much more extensive relationship with Al Qaeda than even I thought.

It's nice to keep having everything I've said in the past be proven true by facts being uncovered and seeing the ever so wise, egotisitical, englightened leftists of this board be proven wrong over and over. Here's a couple of things from just a week ago:

kyoukan wrote:
Brotha wrote:The two dozen or so Al Qaeda that were in Baghdad with Saddam Hussein's knowledge. At the very LEAST this shows that they had put aside their differences and come to a non agression agreement. That in and of itself completely blows apart the argument that Hussein and Al Qaeda hated each other. This is a link in my mind.

Brotha wrote:You never let these little things called facts get in the way of your attempts to form a rational argument that in someway agrees with your warped views do you?

ahahahahaha

Kelshara wrote:Yeah because Powell's presentation was so convincing and free of errors.. and using such good sources!

And yes, I know the presentation did have some errors, but it's still nice knowing someone was wrong and I was right, although it's starting to get a bit old.

It's REALLY going to get old when the WMDs are found. Scientists are finally starting to speak up and it's only a matter of time before we hit the jackpot. Several of you, even some level headed people, are already passing it off as fact that we've failed in finding the WMDs and the case for war was based on a foundation of lies.

I'll go gloat somewhere else. Later!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 30, 2003, 5:36 pm

you understand that the war was not fought because of WMD or Al Queda, right?

you understand who Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney are right? and you are familiar with their political careers and their opinions on war with Iraq dating back over the last 13 years?

i'm not trying to demonize them, i'm merely reiterating to you that these guys wanted to go after Iraq on Sept 12th, 2001, as well as Sept 10th 2001.

what happened in between those 2 days simply made the political case easier to swing with the masses.

their position may indeed be correct. I think the manner in which the end was pursued did a lot of long term damage to the US, but the fallout may not be that bad.

I think Iraq will certainly be in better shape. Will we be in better shape is the big question. That is really what is relevant about the whole situation and what remains to be seen.

I'm more worried about a fundamentalist theocracy in the US than in Iraq anyways.

miir · Post by **miir** » April 30, 2003, 5:47 pm

this directly proves that in the same way that the letter does because, as Powell said, these people were operating in Baghdad with Saddam's knowledge. The letter and this are both just the tip of the iceberg I believe and it will be found that Saddam had a much more extensive relationship with Al Qaeda than even I thought.

How does finding one person in Baghdad associated with an organization that had ties with al Qaeda prove anything?
How does 3 questionable pieces of paper suggesting that Saddam wanted to set up a meeting with Osama bin Laden a few years ago prove anything?

only a matter of time before we hit the jackpot

You desparately need to justify your contries invasion of Iraq, don't you?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 30, 2003, 6:16 pm

miir wrote:
this directly proves that in the same way that the letter does because, as Powell said, these people were operating in Baghdad with Saddam's knowledge. The letter and this are both just the tip of the iceberg I believe and it will be found that Saddam had a much more extensive relationship with Al Qaeda than even I thought.
How does finding one person in Baghdad associated with an organization that had ties with al Qaeda prove anything?
How does 3 questionable pieces of paper suggesting that Saddam wanted to set up a meeting with Osama bin Laden a few years ago prove anything?

only a matter of time before we hit the jackpot
You desparately need to justify your contries invasion of Iraq, don't you?

Umm Excuse me it was a Liberation get it right next time

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 30, 2003, 6:25 pm

GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO USE FUCKING CAPS PROPERLY YOU INBRED PIECE OF HICK SHIT!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 30, 2003, 6:26 pm

Acies · Post by **Acies** » April 30, 2003, 6:27 pm

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 30, 2003, 6:28 pm

Damned terrorist, got what it deserved!

.................

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 30, 2003, 6:32 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO USE FUCKING CAPS PROPERLY YOU INBRED PIECE OF HICK SHIT!

Just a simple Fuck you to you Sir, Thanks for making it personal.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 30, 2003, 6:35 pm

Lalanae wrote:

Nice Picture out of context, Jesus Christ how about I grab one off the net that Saddam tortured. You are a embarrasment even to Texans.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » April 30, 2003, 6:47 pm

But that was Saddam, Cartlaas, not the US!

The things that Saddam did PALE in comparison to our inhumane, brutal treatment of alligators, we're such hypocrites.

Let's find these pictures:

BAGHDAD — Pictures of dead Iraqis, with their necks slashed, their eyes gouged out and their genitals blackened, fill a bookshelf. Jail cells, with dried blood on the floor and rusted shackles bolted to the walls, line the corridors. And the screams of what could be imprisoned men in an underground detention center echo through air shafts and sewer pipes.

Here's somemore, I'm sure somehow these are all the cause of US sanctions. Or wait...they weren't there for for all this time. It was ISRAEL!

The secrets of Saddam Hussein's reign of terror are beginning to emerge. Iraqi civilians who had longed feared speaking out about the alleged atrocities for fear of government retribution are revealing in detail what the Iraqi dictator and his regime inflicted on some of the country's 26 million people.

They paint a picture of arrests, killings and torture that have led human rights groups to condemn the Iraqi leader in the strongest terms. The groups have charged that tens of thousands of Iraqis, from Kurds in the north to Shiites in the south, were tortured and killed after Saddam seized power in 1979.

Most were arrested on charges ranging from criticizing the Iraqi leader to cooperating with the United States.

Only a few walked out of the jails alive.

"I was beaten, refrigerated naked and put underground for one year because I was a Shiite and Saddam is a Sunni," said Ali Kaddam Kardom, 37. He said he was arrested in the central city of Karbala on March 10, 2000. He returned to the facility in Baghdad this weekend, he said, to help rescue any Iraqis who still might be imprisoned there.

An Iraqi soldier, who according to the facility's records witnessed the beatings, said interrogators regularly used pliers to remove men's teeth, electric prods to shock men's genitals and drills to cut holes in their ankles.

Now this one is sick:

In one instance, the soldier recalled, he witnessed a Kuwaiti soldier, who had been captured during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, being forced to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle. The man was removed from the bottle only after it filled up with his blood, the soldier said. He said the man later died.

"I have seen interrogators break the heads of men with baseball bats, pour salt into wounds and rape wives in front of their husbands," said former Iraqi soldier Ali Iyad Kareen, 41.

He then revealed dozens of Polaroid pictures of beaten and dead Iraqis from the directorate's files.

Several other buildings on the grounds were left relatively intact. Inside one building, there were files with the names and pictures of Iraq's military intelligence officers. There also were pictures of prisoners, many of whom had been tortured and killed.

"Saddam may be gone, but his final act was to murder more of his own people," Alwan said. "Now I pray the murders will stop."

Fucking American imperialism. I can't believe we put a stop to all of this...we should be ashamed.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 30, 2003, 6:49 pm

So are you going to bomb, invade and conquer all countries with human rights violations or just the really wealthy ones?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 30, 2003, 6:56 pm

kyoukan wrote:So are you going to bomb, invade and conquer all countries with human rights violations or just the really wealthy ones?

Just the ones where the people aren't too brown, silly!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » April 30, 2003, 6:57 pm

kyoukan wrote:So are you going to bomb, invade and conquer all countries with human rights violations or just the really wealthy ones?

Which do you suggest? I'm personally leaning toward North Korea and Iran next so we can put the Axis of Evil out of commission. I heard a rumor that Canadians might act as human shields out of their compassion for the less fortunate terrorists... when can you get started?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 30, 2003, 6:59 pm

yes newsflash Saddam's regime was barbaric.

that is another part of what made this all possible. That he was a tyranical despot - of our creation - made him an easy target to be the starting point for Region - not regime - Change.

You know Metanis, the "Axis of Evil" is not a real organization. They don't have a secret underwater cave full of supercomputers where they meet to swap nukes.

Explain to me in a concise argument, why invading Iran would be good.

Or North Korea for that matter.

My counterargument for Iran is that their theocracy is already losing power on its own.

My counterargument for NK will start with the hundreds of thousands of people who will die in Seoul within the first week of any campaign there.

so that should give you a good starting point.