Griefing

Post by **pyrella** » April 15, 2003, 3:42 pm

We all know it sucks, any thoughts or ideas on alternative ways it could be handled?

Last night hanging out in TR sanctuary I saw OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of 'reverse' griefing going on. People jumping in front of cars, or flying a reaver right above a Galaxy just as it was about to take off.

Also lots of 'idiot reverse' griefing - 4 people blasting an enemy max froma decent range, and some rambo running up in the middle of the fight, getting himself killed, and 4 people griefed.

Salis · Post by **Salis** » April 15, 2003, 3:56 pm

Yea it's a tricky one, and in some ways I think it's just a shitty excuse to try not to mod/GM it properly.

Things I thought of that could be improved;

- Engineers getting grief from mine explosions hitting friendly troops (say two people fighting near a mine and the enemy runs over the mine). Cancel that totally. Same for spitfire turrets causing grief when friendlys run through fire.

- No grief for hitting someone in a stealth suit!

- AMS is another big problem, I constantly hit them when people park them in bases. Taking grief off an AMS is a risky thing to do though. Not sure how to tackle this. Possibly just reduce damage caused in friendly vehicle collisions?

- 1/2 maybe even 1/4 grief from splash damage (and plasma). Especially relevant for grenades.

- /ForgiveTK command similar to CS. Reduce grief from non-lethal hits. Make kill grief OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS higher.

- Make grief reduction rate while online higher so that people who play more aren't penalised by the same standard grief decay rate.

- Dump the whole thing and just make damaging/hurting others hurt you.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » April 15, 2003, 4:03 pm

I had one the other night. I was escorting an AMS to a battle site when we ran into an enemy AMS. I started tearing into it with my lightning. Battle goes on and my lightning gets disabled by the troops from the AMS.
We get the people dead and are just polishing off the AMS. I fire a rocket from mypunisher that blows up the AMS as a guy walks up to it. Grats me 80 grief.

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » April 15, 2003, 5:15 pm

Yeah, I don't think you should get grief for people's own stupidity. There needs to be some way around it. I don't have my beta CD's yet so I don't know exactly how it works, but we shall see...

noel · Post by **noel** » April 15, 2003, 6:24 pm

I agree with everything Salis said, and would add:

No grief for shooting your own equipment - If you're firing on an enemy who runs in front of one of your terminals, spawn tubes, turrets, unmanned vehicles, you currently take grief.
No grief for splash damage caused by mines, or vehicles exploding - If you are shooting an enemy tank that's coming into your base, and happen to destroy it while a teammate is standing near it, you will take grief for hurting your teammate.
They need to make friendly infiltrators more visible to members of their empire - Bottom line is, if I'm moving fast in a vehicle, or if I see a blur off to the side of me, especially if he just came round a corner and is standing in front of me, I might not see the green name hovering above him.

I am very much hoping that the rate of descent on grief they implemented last night was just a stopgap before they implement a real solution to the grief system.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 15, 2003, 6:43 pm

Every time someone shoots a player on their team, puddle should get grief points.

Salis · Post by **Salis** » April 15, 2003, 7:53 pm

kyoukan wrote:Every time someone shoots a player on their team, puddle should get grief points.

No no it's every galaxy that crashes!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 16, 2003, 1:17 am

kyoukan wrote:Every time someone shoots a player on their team, puddle should get grief points.

Doesn't that already happen?

Brittney · Post by **Brittney** » April 17, 2003, 7:30 pm

Grief?! I never grief

specaly never fully loaded galaxys.

cid · Post by **cid** » April 17, 2003, 7:36 pm

Brittney wrote:Grief?! I never grief specaly never fully loaded galaxys.

That was some funny shit!!

INC h8 tells!!!

noel · Post by **noel** » April 17, 2003, 8:00 pm

I was crying last night, I was laughing so hard.

I've got a SS of it at home that I'll post later, but in summation:

[tell] Marlboro: halo14, do you need a ride in the galaxy? We've got one spot left.
/tell Marlboro: no man, it's cool, I have one coming. Thanks though.

Brittney X
Brittney -> Marlboro
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_1
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_2
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_3
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_4
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_5
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_6
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_7
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_8
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_9
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_10
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_11
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_12
Brittney -> Galaxy Occupant_13

Salis · Post by **Salis** » April 17, 2003, 8:11 pm

Galaxy Occupant 11 broadcasts 'WTF'

rofl.

Post by **pyrella** » April 17, 2003, 8:14 pm

it all started with him taking me out in my mosquito, minding my own business....

just how many galaxies did we see blow up in a 20 minute period?